I hope the devs deal with these ESO dupers/cheaters soon

LadyNalcarya · July 2017

HalloweenWeed wrote: »

Hey guys, I have a (hypothetical) scenario that hasn't been discussed here:
What if it/they are people of a RL group not discussed here? A group so obvious you might not even consider it, because they are so close to the game (hint, hint ). NOT inferring that they are. Has anyone even considered that possibility?
Would that explain a lot? Nuf said.
EDIT: you probably shouldn't discuss this.

Dont think so. After all, its not some pirated server where admins do anything they want, and in this situation potential consequences would outweight short-term profit.

SirDopey · July 2017

Urkraft wrote: »

SirDopey wrote: »

Urkraft wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

So question...if any of us purchased duped items from a guild trader are those items going to go poof from our inventories?

i wish it was like that, but seemingly no.
its not like some didnt deserve that.

I think that would be way too harsh, especially if the purchase was from a guild store trader. Fully support them taking the gold off the person that put the duped item up for sale but you can't take the item off the person that brought it as it's hihgly likely they had no idea whatsoever.

yeah nobody of those poor innocent buyers from belkarth which are also powersellers in belkarth would came to the idea that buying 50 or 100 dust in a stack fpr 20 or 30k each is a bit fishy

hey jo, it has been my guild outbid by that ru trade, and zos didnt dare to correct the situation and to put the guild with the next higher bid on that spot, it jsut has been left free.

hey it could have been also ttg, ttm or at to get outbid by them, as i know zos, it also could have been, they dont react on that problem - then they maybe would have been bidding on the other guilds there too. then it was the oh-so-naive belkarths powersellers gold which ended up in bids against their own guilds.

thats all.

i see all the time in listings of guilds which are botinfected the same and the same resellers names buying up all that scraps and unrefined mats. u not gonna tell me, anybody of those doesnt know the origin of that material, when they put min. 5 mio each week into that material and sell those in belkarth then. u can't.

but hey okay - a warnmail from zos would be already enough to stop most of them.

At this stage it's all hearsay over the duping though. I don't believe there is a duping glitch because it's only a couple of items that appeared. Maybe a node dropping higher rates than it should.

People shouldn't be punished for buying things at a discount, that rational is just ludicrous.

It's also quite possible that it was a strategy to drive the MM average price down to allow these people to buy more back at a lower price just to sell at higher prices in a few weeks time. I can't see how doing that is against in rules and is basically just bringing real world economic trading into the game.

Arkadius · July 2017

SirDopey wrote: »

At this stage it's all hearsay over the duping though. I don't believe there is a duping glitch because it's only a couple of items that appeared. Maybe a node dropping higher rates than it should.

It might not be a duping glitch, but it it must be some kind of exploit. Noone can tell me they farmed hundreds and hundreds of aetherial dust for months just to dump them all on one day for 20k/each when they were worth 70k. Just because ZOS doesn't admit there's a exploit doesn't mean there is really none.

SirDopey wrote: »

People shouldn't be punished for buying things at a discount, that rational is just ludicrous.

They should, if they buy repeatedly from gold sellers. I know that ZOS in the past indeed warned people for buying huge amounts of leather scraps from gold sellers.

SirDopey wrote: »

It's also quite possible that it was a strategy to drive the MM average price down to allow these people to buy more back at a lower price just to sell at higher prices in a few weeks time. I can't see how doing that is against in rules and is basically just bringing real world economic trading into the game.

That makes absolutely no sense! They could have sold the dust for 50k/each and would still have been far below the 70k average price at that time. No, I think they dumped that stuff because they produce way more gold than they can sell.

Megabear · July 2017

SirDopey wrote: »

Urkraft wrote: »

SirDopey wrote: »

Urkraft wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

So question...if any of us purchased duped items from a guild trader are those items going to go poof from our inventories?

i wish it was like that, but seemingly no.
its not like some didnt deserve that.

I think that would be way too harsh, especially if the purchase was from a guild store trader. Fully support them taking the gold off the person that put the duped item up for sale but you can't take the item off the person that brought it as it's hihgly likely they had no idea whatsoever.

yeah nobody of those poor innocent buyers from belkarth which are also powersellers in belkarth would came to the idea that buying 50 or 100 dust in a stack fpr 20 or 30k each is a bit fishy

hey jo, it has been my guild outbid by that ru trade, and zos didnt dare to correct the situation and to put the guild with the next higher bid on that spot, it jsut has been left free.

hey it could have been also ttg, ttm or at to get outbid by them, as i know zos, it also could have been, they dont react on that problem - then they maybe would have been bidding on the other guilds there too. then it was the oh-so-naive belkarths powersellers gold which ended up in bids against their own guilds.

thats all.

i see all the time in listings of guilds which are botinfected the same and the same resellers names buying up all that scraps and unrefined mats. u not gonna tell me, anybody of those doesnt know the origin of that material, when they put min. 5 mio each week into that material and sell those in belkarth then. u can't.

but hey okay - a warnmail from zos would be already enough to stop most of them.

At this stage it's all hearsay over the duping though. I don't believe there is a duping glitch because it's only a couple of items that appeared. Maybe a node dropping higher rates than it should.

People shouldn't be punished for buying things at a discount, that rational is just ludicrous.

It's also quite possible that it was a strategy to drive the MM average price down to allow these people to buy more back at a lower price just to sell at higher prices in a few weeks time. I can't see how doing that is against in rules and is basically just bringing real world economic trading into the game.

This comment makes you wonder.

KingMagaw · July 2017

It wasnt to drive market prices down to rebuy at a later stage. Applying that thinking is naive for the simple fact that Dust would never regain its previous 70k value due to players levelling chars, Warden stage has passed and its a commodity that is 'rare' but shown to all what rewards you get for either:

BOTTING
or
DUPING

If you track the $:Gold ratio it has drastically fallen, for 2 main reasons. Less players playing the game buying gold and more people botting the game.

it is my thinking, and experience that a lot of veteran players have left ESO <6 months over the exploiting and ESO being not competitive. Yes there was an infusion of newer players but few compared to the Exodus.

With ZoS weak stance and inability to do anything never mind address the problem properly has given players the choice of botting/exploiting like many others or try another game in the hopes of a fairer playing field.

Analysing above the big power gold sellers just liquidated there stock as ESO no longer holds much value. Personally i hate the choice of exploiting like others to keep up, so now i distance myself from ESO (Which was a game i loved playing) and ZoS (A company i will never invest in again).

SirDopey · July 2017

Yeah I'm still not buying into the duping glitch. Botting sure, an exploited node sure.

If there was an active duping bug we would be seeing wholesale price crashes over all items which doesn't appear to be occurring.

I would also imagine a duping bug would be pretty easy to spot by the dev team? Surely their logs would tell them how items came into existence?

Base on what evidence has been tabled I'm still leaning towards market exploitation by trying to get a chokehold on supply and demand. There are definitely people sitting on TTC watching items go up buying them super cheap the second they pop up (within the last 24 hours someones listed Aetherial Dust for 6k) with the intention of reselling higher. If you sit on TTC refreshing waiting for a deal you pretty much have to immediately port to the trader or it'll be gone.

Elsonso · July 2017

I don't buy the duping glitch either. Yet. There is no hard objective evidence. That would require ZOS. Until they say, it is just unfounded speculation.

Feanor · July 2017

HalloweenWeed wrote: »

Hey guys, I have a (hypothetical) scenario that hasn't been discussed here:
What if it/they are people of a RL group not discussed here? A group so obvious you might not even consider it, because they are so close to the game (hint, hint ). NOT inferring that they are. Has anyone even considered that possibility?
Would that explain a lot? Nuf said.
EDIT: you probably shouldn't discuss this.

You mean to say that somebody like @Wrobel or @ZOS_RichLambert was so fed up with RNG that they wanted to throw the poor players a bone and duplicated a gazillion of Dust? Interesting theory.

Megabear · July 2017

lordrichter wrote: »

I don't buy the duping glitch either. Yet. There is no hard objective evidence. That would require ZOS. Until they say, it is just unfounded speculation.

I agree that duping glitch isn't substantiated, but one cannot rule it out either due to amount of resources being sold.

Kay1 · July 2017

72h ban, who cares? This game supports cheating they already officially stated it with their 72h ban.

Fecius · July 2017

ScytheNL wrote: »

DHale wrote: »

Proof as in a friend of a friend told me or I saw it in zone chat.

Actually, screenshots of a single trader having about 2400 Aetherial Dust was the proof. How many have YOU found since they came out?

0! Zero! ZE-RO! Z-E-R-O!

OC_Justice · July 2017

72Hr ban? That is all they get? This is not taking care of a problem, this is enabling it.

Arkadius wrote: »

SirDopey wrote: »

People shouldn't be punished for buying things at a discount, that rational is just ludicrous.

They should, if they buy repeatedly from gold sellers. I know that ZOS in the past indeed warned people for buying huge amounts of leather scraps from gold sellers.

If Zos knows one is continually purchasing from a gold seller, then why is the gold seller still here?
THIS IS ENABLING.
Someone compared it to drug dealers. It is like the police saying stop buying from that known drug dealer over there or we're gonna get you.

Tan9oSuccka · July 2017

HalloweenWeed wrote: »

Hey guys, I have a (hypothetical) scenario that hasn't been discussed here:
What if it/they are people of a RL group not discussed here? A group so obvious you might not even consider it, because they are so close to the game (hint, hint ). NOT inferring that they are. Has anyone even considered that possibility?
Would that explain a lot? Nuf said.
EDIT: you probably shouldn't discuss this.

It sounds like you smoke way too much of the funny green plants.

I guess the morale of your post is watch out for the ESO Illuminati?

Good grief.

ihazzit · July 2017

GreenhaloX wrote: »

When there are lazy arse people willing to buy mats or gold from outside sources, rather than putting in their own work to farm it themselves for their own uses, then there will always be those (bots, whatever) farming the hell out of ESO to have mats/gold on sales on those conspicuous outside venues. What is that phrase.. supply and demand? Hmmm

Correct. The market exists in MMO's (always have and will) and the only way for it to go away (as someone else said earlier) is for people to stop buying gold and/or accounts, however, that's probably not going to happen. Many people would rather spend $10 of their own money that took very little time to earn compared to tens to hundreds of hours in a game setting. That goes along with the account selling market.

You can read the readily available guidelines on MMO gold selling and market controlling enterprises and realize the nefariousness of the practice, the vastness of the practice (4 open markets alone in ESO), and how difficult it is to begin sorting out those who are legitimately attempting to earn money in ESO and those purposely taking advantage of the market.

ZOS was smart in having an individual guild system instead of a global build/auction system as that helps immensely, however, they are dealing with highly experienced exploiters with large networks who are simply smarter than they are concerning this issue. It kinda reminds me of the Taken scene where the good guy says, "I will find you." and the bad guy says, "Good luck." except that it's the Family Guy version.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=cJx6MWdgx9w

Juli'St · July 2017

ZOS dont care about LAG, the MOST old problem of this game, ll care about cheaters or whatever why?

Megabear · July 2017

ihazzit wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

When there are lazy arse people willing to buy mats or gold from outside sources, rather than putting in their own work to farm it themselves for their own uses, then there will always be those (bots, whatever) farming the hell out of ESO to have mats/gold on sales on those conspicuous outside venues. What is that phrase.. supply and demand? Hmmm

Correct. The market exists in MMO's (always have and will) and the only way for it to go away (as someone else said earlier) is for people to stop buying gold and/or accounts, however, that's probably not going to happen. Many people would rather spend $10 of their own money that took very little time to earn compared to tens to hundreds of hours in a game setting. That goes along with the account selling market.

You can read the readily available guidelines on MMO gold selling and market controlling enterprises and realize the nefariousness of the practice, the vastness of the practice (4 open markets alone in ESO), and how difficult it is to begin sorting out those who are legitimately attempting to earn money in ESO and those purposely taking advantage of the market.

ZOS was smart in having an individual guild system instead of a global build/auction system as that helps immensely, however, they are dealing with highly experienced exploiters with large networks who are simply smarter than they are concerning this issue. It kinda reminds me of the Taken scene where the good guy says, "I will find you." and the bad guy says, "Good luck." except that it's the Family Guy version.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=cJx6MWdgx9w

Very insightful..