Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

Flaminir wrote: »

Its very simple... ESO is an MMO.... MMO's evolve.... You can't expect future content such as events to always only be based off the original base game from years ago when the game launched.

Otherwise whats the point of the newer content? It would also be very limiting to only use base game for future events...

Especially in this case being a PvP event... 2 of the 3 PvP areas are in newer paid content so a PvP event without those included would be rather silly.

If morrowind was a true expansion/ chapter to the extent of other mmos then it would make sense to have events use that content. however with zos making each dlc/ chapter a standalone product this just doesn't work. Personally I think if the non base game achieves weren't required for the title then people wouldn't be so upset.

Whether you consider it an expansion, a chapter,... whatever name anybody gives it its still new content... and fairly chunky new content at that.

The people who want all the achievements but haven't got parts of the DLC catalogue are already missing all the achievements contained in that content... this is just a part of that.

I don't understand around the title part... again, there are numerous title contained n the various DLC's... people without those DLC's are already missing all those titles in the newer content they don't have, so why would ZOS dish out a title in an event that contains new content to those not playing (&paying for) that content?

You can't expect to get the shiney things from new content without owning that content. And you can't expect everything to be based off the 3+ year old base game forever, so there's always going to come a time when you need to buy the newer stuff to get any newer rewards... this is that time.

I do understand people want as much as they can get... especially without having to fork out money for it (I'm no different... human nature).... but there always has to come a point where some stuff evolves from the free base game... and this is it.

ZoS has done absolutley nothing wrong by using the newer content for the event... it was inevitable at some stage & makes total sense with the pvP nature of the event.

Sigtric wrote: »

Shazah wrote: »

OMG, I give up. Am I talking martian or an unknown language? What is complicated to understand in my point of view?

Your point of view is easy to understand, what you can't seem to grasp is that people have different points of view and you're taking a disagreement as an affront to it.

Also you kept trying to tell people their point of view was irrelevant when you repeatedly misspelled the word - speaking in Martian might work out better for you.

Flash news: english isn't my native language. And I've learned it alone, so yes my english ins't perfect thanks for notice this mispelling. Continue to hunting them in my posts.

For the rest of your message, no comment. You're stuck with your point of view, I'm stuck with mine. Just move on. I won't post another message in this thread, the subject has been discussed a lot already from both parts.

/Ignored

Shazah wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Shazah wrote: »

OMG, I give up. Am I talking martian or an unknown language? What is complicated to understand in my point of view?

Your point of view is easy to understand, what you can't seem to grasp is that people have different points of view and you're taking a disagreement as an affront to it.

Also you kept trying to tell people their point of view was irrelevant when you repeatedly misspelled the word - speaking in Martian might work out better for you.

Flash news: english isn't my native language. And I've learned it alone, so yes my english ins't perfect thanks for notice this mispelling. Continue to hunting them in my posts.

For the rest of your message, no comment. You're stuck in your point of view, I'm stuck with mine. Just move on. I won't post another message in this thread, the subject has been discussed a lot already from both parts.

let me preface this comment by reiterating that I have bought morrowind and sub.

Flaminir wrote: »

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

Flaminir wrote: »

Its very simple... ESO is an MMO.... MMO's evolve.... You can't expect future content such as events to always only be based off the original base game from years ago when the game launched.

Otherwise whats the point of the newer content? It would also be very limiting to only use base game for future events...

Especially in this case being a PvP event... 2 of the 3 PvP areas are in newer paid content so a PvP event without those included would be rather silly.

If morrowind was a true expansion/ chapter to the extent of other mmos then it would make sense to have events use that content. however with zos making each dlc/ chapter a standalone product this just doesn't work. Personally I think if the non base game achieves weren't required for the title then people wouldn't be so upset.

Whether you consider it an expansion, a chapter,... whatever name anybody gives it its still new content... and fairly chunky new content at that.

The people who want all the achievements but haven't got parts of the DLC catalogue are already missing all the achievements contained in that content... this is just a part of that.

I don't understand around the title part... again, there are numerous title contained n the various DLC's... people without those DLC's are already missing all those titles in the newer content they don't have, so why would ZOS dish out a title in an event that contains new content to those not playing (&paying for) that content?

You can't expect to get the shiney things from new content without owning that content. And you can't expect everything to be based off the 3+ year old base game forever, so there's always going to come a time when you need to buy the newer stuff to get any newer rewards... this is that time.

I do understand people want as much as they can get... especially without having to fork out money for it (I'm no different... human nature).... but there always has to come a point where some stuff evolves from the free base game... and this is it.

ZoS has done absolutley nothing wrong by using the newer content for the event... it was inevitable at some stage & makes total sense with the pvP nature of the event.

The main reason people would expect to get the main exclusive reward because zos has made a precedence of it. They understand that to get other rewards that are normally gated behind money, require you to buy the content. I am not saying that zos did anything wrong in this, just that they should have done it differently. For example making these achievements not count for the title this time but next time maybe include one achievement gated behind money.

Zvorgin wrote: »

Doesn't want to pay for expansions, wants content limited for people who do. OP, is it ok if I use crafted sets you don't have access to because they are from those zones?

For the record I plan on buying morrowind when they fix all the bugs with battlegrounds. I have a hard time paying for a broken product. So should every smart consumer.

I feel that ZOS is going to write themselves into a corner if they restrict their in-game holidays to just the base game only. So I can understand why they felt that IC and Battlegrounds should included in their PvP centric holiday.

Full disclosure: I have ESO+, but I can see how a non-subbed PvPer may feel left out.

This issue could have been avoided if there was not a "do everything" achievement. Separate achievements for separate content makes sense, but the "do everything" achievement is just a pain in the donkey.

It can be gated behind Fort Knox as far as I'm concerned. Not a PVP player. I'm more miffed that they could;t find one single way to throw PVE players a bone during this whole "event." PFFFFT

I'm personally skipping this event as I detest IC with a passion and have no interest in the hell pit that is battlegrounds.

I'm kinda sad I can't get the laurel crown another way.

I was going to oppose OP in this, but now I checked it and damn... Imperial City achiv? Really? Like I have no problem when achievements are locked behind some paid (and relevant) content. But IC is so... dead. As someone that missed most of the good times of IC (if there were any) there is just no sensible reason to get it now. Maybe maybe if it at least looked like there is some hope for improvements, but I see only slow death

Guys, I think OP wasn't specifically referring to the achievements themselves, but the speculation that the event hat is going to require those achievements completed, meaning that we might not be able to earn the hat if we are missing any of the corresponding DLCs.

Seriously though, I hope that doesn't happen. They better than this... right?

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

The_Duke wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Smokinroses wrote: »

The_Duke wrote: »

In my opinion seasonal events should be for everyone. You shouldn't have to buy a "chapter" to get all achievements. Basically I now have to buy morrowind in order to get this.

Pretty crappy way to market DLCs sorry..."chapters" in my opinion.

Thank you! Lol I couldn't agree more. It's really stupid, a lot will be left out with this event, it's unfair. I don't care if you still get rewards from just doing PVP mode.. It's still the principle that it's supposedly going to be a "Special Holiday Event" yet not all can play and achieve. This by far is the dumbest and most unfair event ever.

Most who argue over the fact that people who don't own both DLC and Chapter shouldn't be catered to..only because they own both, and honestly that's just not right. Unfair argument right there. It's a Holiday Event, EVERYONE should be able to play and achieve all the trophies and rewards, just like the rest.

Why would people want to go and pay $30 to upgrade or even pay full price for Morrowind when it's still bugged and the Battlegrounds required for it doesn't work right...On top of that this event is only going to run for about 11 days...just really kind of lame to spend that kind of money for two achievements. This by far is the most expensive event ever, and most unfair...Really disappointed in this event, don't even think i'll be participating, even if you still get rewards for doing certain things..it's the principle of why start something if you can't finish? -_-

If you didn't buy Imperial City, or get access to it through Plus, was it 'dumb and unfair' that you did not get to play and benefit from the Imperial City anniversary event?

If you didn't buy the Wrothgar DLC, was it 'dumb and unfair' you didn't get to play and benefit from the Wrothgar anniversary event?

Definitely something dumb going on, but it's not the event.

An anniversary event for a dlc is different than a seasonal. And here I thought you were smarter than this.

And a PVP event is different than PVE events. It's easy enough for you folks to throw out things being 'irrelevant' and people being 'not smart' when it doesn't work for your argument, I get it.

The bottom line is: if you want to do the content you need to pay for the content. This holds true in the entirety of the game. If you want the associated benefits and achievements, pony up. If you don't, that's on you.

However they could have easily removed the achievements specifically for paid content and the event would have still worked just fine. The way the event is now is similar to having an event that forces you to do veteran trials or vMA in order to get the event title.

This'd leave the holiday with much fewer things to do and would leave the people who prefer the excluded types of PvP(which they have also paid for) dissatisfied as well.

I feel that a lot of things ZOS does are shady at best and I do not agree with the general direction they seem to be taking the game, however this is one thing I actually think they're doing right. Heck I haven't even done many BGs, and I was awful at them. I'm actually somewhat looking forward to BGs related achieves because they will give me incentive to give it another try and maybe get into it. If I don't like it, no biggie, I will live without that achievement really. I'm also really hoping maybe IC ones would bring some life back into IC, if just for a bit, and bring it back to its launch glory days. I think that'd be awesome.

I don't feel it's a good thing to the game as a whole to cater additions such as festivals to base game only because of people who haven't bought non-base game. I mean, of course buying or not buying something is entirely your choice and you may have totally legit reasons for doing so, but c'mon...the game's evolving, getting bigger, acquiring new functions that are "locked behind the paywall", why should they never add/expand on the paid parts just because someone hasn't bought them?

Yall want this awesome hat? Well you cant have it without Imperial City DLC and Morrowind Chaptor.....

I get it, you bought the game, so you think that you should be able to play all of its content. Thing is, unless you keep buying the game (ESO+, Expansions), you only own an older version, which for ease of use on both parties parts (Networking - Social aspects), gets updated at no cost to you.

This analogy is probably bad, but think of it like this:

You're looking for an apartment (Entertainment). You've found an apartment complex (ESO) headed by a landlord (ZoS). So you make the payment for the place (Game Cost). This apartment complex is strange though, you only have to pay for the apartment once, but if you want to access all the amenities that the apartment complex provides like the pool, gym, laundry room (DLC) and the right to modify your apartment (Crown Store Stuff) you'll have to pay a service fee. The Landlord (ZoS) doesn't tell you this, but the one-time payment model for attracting more tenants (New Players) has put some stress on the apartment complexes business, as they have no constant source of income because of the single payment apartments (Not a Subscription based model). So they try to turn these amenities (DLC - Crown Store) into a new type of revenue to take the place of the monthly apartment fees (Subscription) so they can actually maintain and improve (Overhead Cost) the apartment complex (ESO).

SodanTok wrote: »

I was going to oppose OP in this, but now I checked it and damn... Imperial City achiv? Really? Like I have no problem when achievements are locked behind some paid (and relevant) content. But IC is so... dead. As someone that missed most of the good times of IC (if there were any) there is just no sensible reason to get it now. Maybe maybe if it at least looked like there is some hope for improvements, but I see only slow death

Erm in two days time I think IC might be slightly less dead!