Dissapointed that the midyear laurel crownis gated behind Dlc and a "Chapter"

Flaminir

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

Flaminir wrote: »

Its very simple... ESO is an MMO.... MMO's evolve.... You can't expect future content such as events to always only be based off the original base game from years ago when the game launched.

Otherwise whats the point of the newer content? It would also be very limiting to only use base game for future events...

Especially in this case being a PvP event... 2 of the 3 PvP areas are in newer paid content so a PvP event without those included would be rather silly.

If morrowind was a true expansion/ chapter to the extent of other mmos then it would make sense to have events use that content. however with zos making each dlc/ chapter a standalone product this just doesn't work. Personally I think if the non base game achieves weren't required for the title then people wouldn't be so upset.

Whether you consider it an expansion, a chapter,... whatever name anybody gives it its still new content... and fairly chunky new content at that.

The people who want all the achievements but haven't got parts of the DLC catalogue are already missing all the achievements contained in that content... this is just a part of that.

I don't understand around the title part... again, there are numerous title contained n the various DLC's... people without those DLC's are already missing all those titles in the newer content they don't have, so why would ZOS dish out a title in an event that contains new content to those not playing (&paying for) that content?

You can't expect to get the shiney things from new content without owning that content. And you can't expect everything to be based off the 3+ year old base game forever, so there's always going to come a time when you need to buy the newer stuff to get any newer rewards... this is that time.

I do understand people want as much as they can get... especially without having to fork out money for it (I'm no different... human nature).... but there always has to come a point where some stuff evolves from the free base game... and this is it.

ZoS has done absolutley nothing wrong by using the newer content for the event... it was inevitable at some stage & makes total sense with the pvP nature of the event.

Sigtric

Shazah wrote: »

OMG, I give up. Am I talking martian or an unknown language? What is complicated to understand in my point of view?

Your point of view is easy to understand, what you can't seem to grasp is that people have different points of view and you're taking a disagreement as an affront to it.

Also you kept trying to tell people their point of view was irrelevant when you repeatedly misspelled the word - speaking in Martian might work out better for you.

Wrubius_Coronaria

Sigtric wrote: »

Shazah wrote: »

OMG, I give up. Am I talking martian or an unknown language? What is complicated to understand in my point of view?

Your point of view is easy to understand, what you can't seem to grasp is that people have different points of view and you're taking a disagreement as an affront to it.

Also you kept trying to tell people their point of view was irrelevant when you repeatedly misspelled the word - speaking in Martian might work out better for you.

Flash news: english isn't my native language. And I've learned it alone, so yes my english ins't perfect thanks for notice this mispelling. Continue to hunting them in my posts.

For the rest of your message, no comment. You're stuck with your point of view, I'm stuck with mine. Just move on. I won't post another message in this thread, the subject has been discussed a lot already from both parts.

/Ignored

ARIES SERPICO

Shazah wrote: »

ARIES SERPICO wrote: »

Shazah wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Shazah wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Shazah wrote: »

Not a surprise sadly. And it's quite bad to make en event like that locked behind a pay wall (paying a dlc + chapter), but not bad at all from a marketing view and making more profits.

News flash: the entire game is locked behind a paywall.

Irrevelant, the topic here is the mid year event, not the game base.

The only reason it is irrelevant is because it doesn't fit your narrative. The simple fact of the matter is as stated by the comment below yours: if you don't buy the content you don't get to do the content.

This event has stuff in base game, stuff in Morrowind expansion. If you didn't get Morrowind you are not entitled to that portion of the content.

Throwing "paywall" around means nothing.

Okay, let me explain why your your answer is irrevelant (still). And there is nothing to see with my narrative or I don't know what.

it's quite simple, in comparison to previous and similars events (I mean events wich are not celebrating dlc anniversary) like witches festival or ESO 2nd and third anniversary, it's the first time some parts are locked and require to buy a chapter and a dlc. I'm talking about general events like this one who are not a part of dlc. So, is that normal to you and acceptable, being forced tp buy a chapter and another dlc if you want to complete this event at 100%? Thus, the event has some parts locked behind another paywall (purchase of dlc).
That's my point.
And it's a bad move from zenimax and it will make a lot of players mad about this.
In my opinion put some parts in morrowind and imperial city (just a tricky move from them for trying to get more sales) was not necessary for the first pvp event.

Too bad, if you want free go to Venezuela

Take 5 minutes for read the thread again. Take a break, think and then, try to answer something smart.

troll answers call another troll answer

They have to make money to keep producing for the game and make money also. Hence the comment if you want stuff for free head South

Sigtric

Shazah wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Shazah wrote: »

OMG, I give up. Am I talking martian or an unknown language? What is complicated to understand in my point of view?

Your point of view is easy to understand, what you can't seem to grasp is that people have different points of view and you're taking a disagreement as an affront to it.

Also you kept trying to tell people their point of view was irrelevant when you repeatedly misspelled the word - speaking in Martian might work out better for you.

Flash news: english isn't my native language. And I've learned it alone, so yes my english ins't perfect thanks for notice this mispelling. Continue to hunting them in my posts.

For the rest of your message, no comment. You're stuck in your point of view, I'm stuck with mine. Just move on. I won't post another message in this thread, the subject has been discussed a lot already from both parts.

Zvorgin

Doesn't want to pay for expansions, wants content limited for people who do. OP, is it ok if I use crafted sets you don't have access to because they are from those zones?

Oakmontowls_ESO

let me preface this comment by reiterating that I have bought morrowind and sub.

Flaminir wrote: »

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

Flaminir wrote: »

Its very simple... ESO is an MMO.... MMO's evolve.... You can't expect future content such as events to always only be based off the original base game from years ago when the game launched.

Otherwise whats the point of the newer content? It would also be very limiting to only use base game for future events...

Especially in this case being a PvP event... 2 of the 3 PvP areas are in newer paid content so a PvP event without those included would be rather silly.

If morrowind was a true expansion/ chapter to the extent of other mmos then it would make sense to have events use that content. however with zos making each dlc/ chapter a standalone product this just doesn't work. Personally I think if the non base game achieves weren't required for the title then people wouldn't be so upset.

Whether you consider it an expansion, a chapter,... whatever name anybody gives it its still new content... and fairly chunky new content at that.

The people who want all the achievements but haven't got parts of the DLC catalogue are already missing all the achievements contained in that content... this is just a part of that.

I don't understand around the title part... again, there are numerous title contained n the various DLC's... people without those DLC's are already missing all those titles in the newer content they don't have, so why would ZOS dish out a title in an event that contains new content to those not playing (&paying for) that content?

You can't expect to get the shiney things from new content without owning that content. And you can't expect everything to be based off the 3+ year old base game forever, so there's always going to come a time when you need to buy the newer stuff to get any newer rewards... this is that time.

I do understand people want as much as they can get... especially without having to fork out money for it (I'm no different... human nature).... but there always has to come a point where some stuff evolves from the free base game... and this is it.

ZoS has done absolutley nothing wrong by using the newer content for the event... it was inevitable at some stage & makes total sense with the pvP nature of the event.

The main reason people would expect to get the main exclusive reward because zos has made a precedence of it. They understand that to get other rewards that are normally gated behind money, require you to buy the content. I am not saying that zos did anything wrong in this, just that they should have done it differently. For example making these achievements not count for the title this time but next time maybe include one achievement gated behind money.

CromulentForumID

Magdalina wrote: »

I was impression the event revolves around PvP and therefore takes part in Cyrodiil, for the most part, which is accessible for everyone with base game. How is it locked behind a paywall?

The event is available to everyone. It's the achievement hunters who are locked out of getting every last shiny.

The_Duke

Zvorgin wrote: »

Doesn't want to pay for expansions, wants content limited for people who do. OP, is it ok if I use crafted sets you don't have access to because they are from those zones?

For the record I plan on buying morrowind when they fix all the bugs with battlegrounds. I have a hard time paying for a broken product. So should every smart consumer.

leepalmer95

Its funny how some of the achievements are in bgs and bgs are currently messed up.

Took 40 mins for a queue today with my friends, i doubt i'll even get the achievements myself and i have morrowind.

Cadbury

I feel that ZOS is going to write themselves into a corner if they restrict their in-game holidays to just the base game only. So I can understand why they felt that IC and Battlegrounds should included in their PvP centric holiday.

Full disclosure: I have ESO+, but I can see how a non-subbed PvPer may feel left out.

Eradrann

I'm an achievement hunter... pretty bummed. Everything looks doable, yet the ONE achievement where you need a Battlegrounds victory (or whatever) will prevent me from "completing" this event it looks like.

I'm terrible at (and hate) PvP anyways... so maybe I should just "skip" this...

EDIT: just realized there are some Imp City stuff too, I do own that

Enodoc

This issue could have been avoided if there was not a "do everything" achievement. Separate achievements for separate content makes sense, but the "do everything" achievement is just a pain in the donkey.

SquareSausage

Its not a seasonal event, its a pvp event. Look at Zos' title on the page 'TEST YOUR METTLE IN THE MIDYEAR MAYHEM PVP EVENT!'

If you want to do all PVP achievements anyway you need to buy the DLC.

Move along.

ProfesseurFreder

It can be gated behind Fort Knox as far as I'm concerned. Not a PVP player. I'm more miffed that they could;t find one single way to throw PVE players a bone during this whole "event." PFFFFT

Sigtric

ProfesseurFreder wrote: »

It can be gated behind Fort Knox as far as I'm concerned. Not a PVP player. I'm more miffed that they could;t find one single way to throw PVE players a bone during this whole "event." PFFFFT

There have been multiple pve events. Let pvp have one.

PocketNova

I'm personally skipping this event as I detest IC with a passion and have no interest in the hell pit that is battlegrounds.

I'm kinda sad I can't get the laurel crown another way.

Loralai_907

You can't expect how they handled events before Morrowind to be how they handle events after Morrowind. And, you cannot judge what they might choose to do in the future off of what they have done in the past. They have changed things up so many times, you absolutely should not rely on consistency of all things.

I'm not even sure if I can work myself up to attempting this event in the first place, as PvP is not a part of my life, and it kind a freaks me out. And on top of that this event is beginning right when my work gets pretty busy. But I like achievements and I like the title, so I may attempt it with a side of anti anxiety meds, if I have any time.

But even if I do not or cannot participate, I think being nice to all the players is a good thing. Giving the people that prefer PvP an event is only fair. I'm sure many people were less than thrilled over certain past events because they do not like PvE content.

SodanTok

I was going to oppose OP in this, but now I checked it and damn... Imperial City achiv? Really? Like I have no problem when achievements are locked behind some paid (and relevant) content. But IC is so... dead. As someone that missed most of the good times of IC (if there were any) there is just no sensible reason to get it now. Maybe maybe if it at least looked like there is some hope for improvements, but I see only slow death

The_Duke

SodanTok wrote: »

I was going to oppose OP in this, but now I checked it and damn... Imperial City achiv? Really? Like I have no problem when achievements are locked behind some paid (and relevant) content. But IC is so... dead. As someone that missed most of the good times of IC (if there were any) there is just no sensible reason to get it now. Maybe maybe if it at least looked like there is some hope for improvements, but I see only slow death

I was in IC today in Vivec. It was a ghost town. I used to love IC. They ruined it with the district flags. On ps4 NA the arena was epic. There was no need for battle grounds since it was one. Best place to test out a new build and great place for pvers to grind vigor without playing horse simulator.

For the record Im not an achievement ***, far from it. Ive had the game since console day one and I still havent gotten undaunted maxed on any character. I pve to get gear for PVP.

Finally, Im not against them using DLCs in events I just dont like that the final achievement is gated behind dlc achievements. Thats all. If battlegrounds wasn't an absolute hot mess Id own it and gladly be playing it. The fact it its been broken since morrowind with no signs of improvement. I wanted to stand pat and not buy it till they delivered a complete product. Not a complete disaster

HatchetHaro

Guys, I think OP wasn't specifically referring to the achievements themselves, but the speculation that the event hat is going to require those achievements completed, meaning that we might not be able to earn the hat if we are missing any of the corresponding DLCs.

Seriously though, I hope that doesn't happen. They better than this... right?

The_Duke

HatchetHaro wrote: »

Guys, I think OP wasn't specifically referring to the achievements themselves, but the speculation that the event hat is going to require those achievements completed, meaning that we might not be able to earn the hat if we are missing any of the corresponding DLCs.

Seriously though, I hope that doesn't happen. They better than this... right?

FINALLY SOMEBODY GETS IT!

DLC specific cosmetics are one thing.

Magdalina

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

The_Duke wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Smokinroses wrote: »

The_Duke wrote: »

In my opinion seasonal events should be for everyone. You shouldn't have to buy a "chapter" to get all achievements. Basically I now have to buy morrowind in order to get this.

Pretty crappy way to market DLCs sorry..."chapters" in my opinion.

Thank you! Lol I couldn't agree more. It's really stupid, a lot will be left out with this event, it's unfair. I don't care if you still get rewards from just doing PVP mode.. It's still the principle that it's supposedly going to be a "Special Holiday Event" yet not all can play and achieve. This by far is the dumbest and most unfair event ever.

Most who argue over the fact that people who don't own both DLC and Chapter shouldn't be catered to..only because they own both, and honestly that's just not right. Unfair argument right there. It's a Holiday Event, EVERYONE should be able to play and achieve all the trophies and rewards, just like the rest.

Why would people want to go and pay $30 to upgrade or even pay full price for Morrowind when it's still bugged and the Battlegrounds required for it doesn't work right...On top of that this event is only going to run for about 11 days...just really kind of lame to spend that kind of money for two achievements. This by far is the most expensive event ever, and most unfair...Really disappointed in this event, don't even think i'll be participating, even if you still get rewards for doing certain things..it's the principle of why start something if you can't finish? -_-

If you didn't buy Imperial City, or get access to it through Plus, was it 'dumb and unfair' that you did not get to play and benefit from the Imperial City anniversary event?

If you didn't buy the Wrothgar DLC, was it 'dumb and unfair' you didn't get to play and benefit from the Wrothgar anniversary event?

Definitely something dumb going on, but it's not the event.

An anniversary event for a dlc is different than a seasonal. And here I thought you were smarter than this.

And a PVP event is different than PVE events. It's easy enough for you folks to throw out things being 'irrelevant' and people being 'not smart' when it doesn't work for your argument, I get it.

The bottom line is: if you want to do the content you need to pay for the content. This holds true in the entirety of the game. If you want the associated benefits and achievements, pony up. If you don't, that's on you.

However they could have easily removed the achievements specifically for paid content and the event would have still worked just fine. The way the event is now is similar to having an event that forces you to do veteran trials or vMA in order to get the event title.

This'd leave the holiday with much fewer things to do and would leave the people who prefer the excluded types of PvP(which they have also paid for) dissatisfied as well.

I feel that a lot of things ZOS does are shady at best and I do not agree with the general direction they seem to be taking the game, however this is one thing I actually think they're doing right. Heck I haven't even done many BGs, and I was awful at them. I'm actually somewhat looking forward to BGs related achieves because they will give me incentive to give it another try and maybe get into it. If I don't like it, no biggie, I will live without that achievement really. I'm also really hoping maybe IC ones would bring some life back into IC, if just for a bit, and bring it back to its launch glory days. I think that'd be awesome.

I don't feel it's a good thing to the game as a whole to cater additions such as festivals to base game only because of people who haven't bought non-base game. I mean, of course buying or not buying something is entirely your choice and you may have totally legit reasons for doing so, but c'mon...the game's evolving, getting bigger, acquiring new functions that are "locked behind the paywall", why should they never add/expand on the paid parts just because someone hasn't bought them?

Malic

You want zos to listen, stop buying. Their greed will require them to create a product offering you will then buy. The problem you have is getting enough people to enact the same strategy.

It happens in MMO's from time to time, but very rarely.

GreenSoup2HoT

Yall want this awesome hat? Well you cant have it without Imperial City DLC and Morrowind Chaptor.....

Nerouyn

The_Duke wrote: »

Ive spent hundreds of dollars on this game. I bought it at release on console for $100 and have continued to sub intermittently and buy crown packs from time to time over 2 years. This isnt my first MMO and typically seasonals are base game only. They are a fun little distraction not a marketing ploy.

All achievements related to Dlc or "Chapters" should be specific to chapters only. Id like to buy morrowind when I feel like it. And I will, I shouldnt have to buy it to get a PVP achievement or reward.

My 2 cents

I've haven't spent quite as much as you but am in a similar position and of a similar view. I'd make one crucial additional point though.

I have all of the other seasonal achievements. From a completionist perspective this is something which binds me to ESO and pretty much guarantees that I keep coming back at least for seasonal events.

This will break that.

I won't shell out money just so I can complete a few more achievements. I will let those achievements slide on by and then will care much less about future seasonal events.

Avran_Sylt

I get it, you bought the game, so you think that you should be able to play all of its content. Thing is, unless you keep buying the game (ESO+, Expansions), you only own an older version, which for ease of use on both parties parts (Networking - Social aspects), gets updated at no cost to you.

This analogy is probably bad, but think of it like this:

You're looking for an apartment (Entertainment). You've found an apartment complex (ESO) headed by a landlord (ZoS). So you make the payment for the place (Game Cost). This apartment complex is strange though, you only have to pay for the apartment once, but if you want to access all the amenities that the apartment complex provides like the pool, gym, laundry room (DLC) and the right to modify your apartment (Crown Store Stuff) you'll have to pay a service fee. The Landlord (ZoS) doesn't tell you this, but the one-time payment model for attracting more tenants (New Players) has put some stress on the apartment complexes business, as they have no constant source of income because of the single payment apartments (Not a Subscription based model). So they try to turn these amenities (DLC - Crown Store) into a new type of revenue to take the place of the monthly apartment fees (Subscription) so they can actually maintain and improve (Overhead Cost) the apartment complex (ESO).

The_Duke

The example I will use to make my point is DC universe Online. I played it for years. The game has more DLCs than this game will ever have. Its sub based for the most part yet everyone of its seasonals were base game so everyone could enjoy it. Its just good business.

freespirit

SodanTok wrote: »

I was going to oppose OP in this, but now I checked it and damn... Imperial City achiv? Really? Like I have no problem when achievements are locked behind some paid (and relevant) content. But IC is so... dead. As someone that missed most of the good times of IC (if there were any) there is just no sensible reason to get it now. Maybe maybe if it at least looked like there is some hope for improvements, but I see only slow death

Erm in two days time I think IC might be slightly less dead!

leepalmer95

The_Duke wrote: »

The example I will use to make my point is DC universe Online. I played it for years. The game has more DLCs than this game will ever have. Its sub based for the most part yet everyone of its seasonals were base game so everyone could enjoy it. Its just good business.

DCUO was pretty close to a p2w game though.