Dissapointed that the midyear laurel crownis gated behind Dlc and a "Chapter"

Bonzodog01 · July 2017

Just checked it out...there is NOTHING there I actually want. So, eh, another event ignored.

LordNilloc · July 2017

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In my opinion put some parts in morrowind and imperial city was not necessary for the first pvp event.[/quote]

Well, Imp city is a pvp dlc so it makes sense to have it in a pvp event.
Battlegrounds is only available if you have Morrowind and guess what? It's pvp so makes sense to have in a pvp event!

Sigtric · July 2017

Smokinroses wrote: »

The_Duke wrote: »

In my opinion seasonal events should be for everyone. You shouldn't have to buy a "chapter" to get all achievements. Basically I now have to buy morrowind in order to get this.

Pretty crappy way to market DLCs sorry..."chapters" in my opinion.

Thank you! Lol I couldn't agree more. It's really stupid, a lot will be left out with this event, it's unfair. I don't care if you still get rewards from just doing PVP mode.. It's still the principle that it's supposedly going to be a "Special Holiday Event" yet not all can play and achieve. This by far is the dumbest and most unfair event ever.

Most who argue over the fact that people who don't own both DLC and Chapter shouldn't be catered to..only because they own both, and honestly that's just not right. Unfair argument right there. It's a Holiday Event, EVERYONE should be able to play and achieve all the trophies and rewards, just like the rest.

Why would people want to go and pay $30 to upgrade or even pay full price for Morrowind when it's still bugged and the Battlegrounds required for it doesn't work right...On top of that this event is only going to run for about 11 days...just really kind of lame to spend that kind of money for two achievements. This by far is the most expensive event ever, and most unfair...Really disappointed in this event, don't even think i'll be participating, even if you still get rewards for doing certain things..it's the principle of why start something if you can't finish? -_-

If you didn't buy Imperial City, or get access to it through Plus, was it 'dumb and unfair' that you did not get to play and benefit from the Imperial City anniversary event?

If you didn't buy the Wrothgar DLC, was it 'dumb and unfair' you didn't get to play and benefit from the Wrothgar anniversary event?

Definitely something dumb going on, but it's not the event.

Mazbt · July 2017

Buy morrowind or face the fact you will not get all the achieves from the event.

Wrubius_Coronaria · July 2017

Sigtric wrote: »

Smokinroses wrote: »

The_Duke wrote: »

In my opinion seasonal events should be for everyone. You shouldn't have to buy a "chapter" to get all achievements. Basically I now have to buy morrowind in order to get this.

Pretty crappy way to market DLCs sorry..."chapters" in my opinion.

Thank you! Lol I couldn't agree more. It's really stupid, a lot will be left out with this event, it's unfair. I don't care if you still get rewards from just doing PVP mode.. It's still the principle that it's supposedly going to be a "Special Holiday Event" yet not all can play and achieve. This by far is the dumbest and most unfair event ever.

Most who argue over the fact that people who don't own both DLC and Chapter shouldn't be catered to..only because they own both, and honestly that's just not right. Unfair argument right there. It's a Holiday Event, EVERYONE should be able to play and achieve all the trophies and rewards, just like the rest.

Why would people want to go and pay $30 to upgrade or even pay full price for Morrowind when it's still bugged and the Battlegrounds required for it doesn't work right...On top of that this event is only going to run for about 11 days...just really kind of lame to spend that kind of money for two achievements. This by far is the most expensive event ever, and most unfair...Really disappointed in this event, don't even think i'll be participating, even if you still get rewards for doing certain things..it's the principle of why start something if you can't finish? -_-

If you didn't buy Imperial City, or get access to it through Plus, was it 'dumb and unfair' that you did not get to play and benefit from the Imperial City anniversary event?

If you didn't buy the Wrothgar DLC, was it 'dumb and unfair' you didn't get to play and benefit from the Wrothgar anniversary event?

Definitely something dumb going on, but it's not the event.

Drachenfier · July 2017

Tandor wrote: »

If you don't buy all the content, you don't get to play all the content.

Couldn't agree more.

Oakmontowls_ESO · July 2017

As someone who both subscribes and owns the morrowind dlc/chapter/expansion. I do have to agree that It does seem out of place with the previous events that only required the base game to complete fully. I don't count the anniversary "events" in the same category of the likes of the jester festival or Witches festival since they added no new content and also had no achievements to earn during the duration of the event. Honestly I am against this event anyways since there is no pve aspect to it at all where as the previous events (towards the end of them) did have some rewards for pvp players. There is most likely a good number of people who feel obligated to do event content when it occurs but have no desire to go into the laggy mess that is pvp. This laggyness will be aggravated even more due to the influx of people playing in pvp zones for this event. All in all this is turning out to be my least favorite event yet.

freespirit · July 2017

I seriously don't understand all the angst.......

This is a PVP event..........

IC was sold as a PVP area.........

Battlegrounds are PVP and access is only available through owning Morrowind.....

If you like to PVP chances are you already own/have access to both.

Even if you don't you can still participate and earn double xp and extra goodies, all that you will miss out on are a couple of achievements!!

Tan9oSuccka · July 2017

I'm glad they're giving PVP folks an event. They will no doubt feast on the fresh stock of PVE players.

I'll wait for the Halloween event.

Incognitius · July 2017

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

As someone who both subscribes and owns the morrowind dlc/chapter/expansion. I do have to agree that It does seem out of place with the previous events that only required the base game to complete fully. I don't count the anniversary "events" in the same category of the likes of the jester festival or Witches festival since they added no new content and also had no achievements to earn during the duration of the event. Honestly I am against this event anyways since there is no pve aspect to it at all where as the previous events (towards the end of them) did have some rewards for pvp players. There is most likely a good number of people who feel obligated to do event content when it occurs but have no desire to go into the laggy mess that is pvp. This laggyness will be aggravated even more due to the influx of people playing in pvp zones for this event. All in all this is turning out to be my least favorite event yet.

^ I agree with this. Also got all DLC and Chapters, so no problem with having access to all content. Furthermore I myself don't care so much about achievements. But it does deviate from how these type of festivals have been handled in the past. And I can imagine ppl being peeved about this.

*shrugs* I'll most likely spend this event getting the needed double AP on my new characters to unlock precious skills for PVE.

Sigtric · July 2017

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Incognitius wrote: »

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

As someone who both subscribes and owns the morrowind dlc/chapter/expansion. I do have to agree that It does seem out of place with the previous events that only required the base game to complete fully. I don't count the anniversary "events" in the same category of the likes of the jester festival or Witches festival since they added no new content and also had no achievements to earn during the duration of the event. Honestly I am against this event anyways since there is no pve aspect to it at all where as the previous events (towards the end of them) did have some rewards for pvp players. There is most likely a good number of people who feel obligated to do event content when it occurs but have no desire to go into the laggy mess that is pvp. This laggyness will be aggravated even more due to the influx of people playing in pvp zones for this event. All in all this is turning out to be my least favorite event yet.

^ I agree with this. Also got all DLC and Chapters, so no problem with having access to all content. Furthermore I myself don't care so much about achievements. But it does deviate from how these type of festivals have been handled in the past. And I can imagine ppl being peeved about this.

*shrugs* I'll most likely spend this event getting the needed double AP on my new characters to unlock precious skills for PVE.

It has to deviate if it is to include all PVP content available.

The_Duke · July 2017

Sigtric wrote: »

Smokinroses wrote: »

The_Duke wrote: »

In my opinion seasonal events should be for everyone. You shouldn't have to buy a "chapter" to get all achievements. Basically I now have to buy morrowind in order to get this.

Pretty crappy way to market DLCs sorry..."chapters" in my opinion.

Thank you! Lol I couldn't agree more. It's really stupid, a lot will be left out with this event, it's unfair. I don't care if you still get rewards from just doing PVP mode.. It's still the principle that it's supposedly going to be a "Special Holiday Event" yet not all can play and achieve. This by far is the dumbest and most unfair event ever.

Most who argue over the fact that people who don't own both DLC and Chapter shouldn't be catered to..only because they own both, and honestly that's just not right. Unfair argument right there. It's a Holiday Event, EVERYONE should be able to play and achieve all the trophies and rewards, just like the rest.

Why would people want to go and pay $30 to upgrade or even pay full price for Morrowind when it's still bugged and the Battlegrounds required for it doesn't work right...On top of that this event is only going to run for about 11 days...just really kind of lame to spend that kind of money for two achievements. This by far is the most expensive event ever, and most unfair...Really disappointed in this event, don't even think i'll be participating, even if you still get rewards for doing certain things..it's the principle of why start something if you can't finish? -_-

If you didn't buy Imperial City, or get access to it through Plus, was it 'dumb and unfair' that you did not get to play and benefit from the Imperial City anniversary event?

If you didn't buy the Wrothgar DLC, was it 'dumb and unfair' you didn't get to play and benefit from the Wrothgar anniversary event?

Definitely something dumb going on, but it's not the event.

An anniversary event for a dlc is different than a seasonal. And here I thought you were smarter than this.

DRXHarbinger · July 2017

FYI the Banker and Merchant cost more than any DLC. Half the people I meet that complain over the cost and having to buy dlc for xyz own...Topal Hideaway and or Craglorn Cave....the logic of the player base eludes me everytime.

Oakmontowls_ESO · July 2017

Sigtric wrote: »

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Incognitius wrote: »

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

As someone who both subscribes and owns the morrowind dlc/chapter/expansion. I do have to agree that It does seem out of place with the previous events that only required the base game to complete fully. I don't count the anniversary "events" in the same category of the likes of the jester festival or Witches festival since they added no new content and also had no achievements to earn during the duration of the event. Honestly I am against this event anyways since there is no pve aspect to it at all where as the previous events (towards the end of them) did have some rewards for pvp players. There is most likely a good number of people who feel obligated to do event content when it occurs but have no desire to go into the laggy mess that is pvp. This laggyness will be aggravated even more due to the influx of people playing in pvp zones for this event. All in all this is turning out to be my least favorite event yet.

^ I agree with this. Also got all DLC and Chapters, so no problem with having access to all content. Furthermore I myself don't care so much about achievements. But it does deviate from how these type of festivals have been handled in the past. And I can imagine ppl being peeved about this.

*shrugs* I'll most likely spend this event getting the needed double AP on my new characters to unlock precious skills for PVE.

It has to deviate if it is to include all PVP content available.

Does it need to include all PVP content though? They didn't do so for the Pve focused events.

Slurg · July 2017

I think it's a positive step that they're doing different types of events, some including DLC and the new chapter and some with just the base game. Not everyone is going to be happy with all of the events, but having a variety of event types allows everyone to find something they can enjoy.

Sigtric · July 2017

The_Duke wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Smokinroses wrote: »

The_Duke wrote: »

In my opinion seasonal events should be for everyone. You shouldn't have to buy a "chapter" to get all achievements. Basically I now have to buy morrowind in order to get this.

Pretty crappy way to market DLCs sorry..."chapters" in my opinion.

Thank you! Lol I couldn't agree more. It's really stupid, a lot will be left out with this event, it's unfair. I don't care if you still get rewards from just doing PVP mode.. It's still the principle that it's supposedly going to be a "Special Holiday Event" yet not all can play and achieve. This by far is the dumbest and most unfair event ever.

Most who argue over the fact that people who don't own both DLC and Chapter shouldn't be catered to..only because they own both, and honestly that's just not right. Unfair argument right there. It's a Holiday Event, EVERYONE should be able to play and achieve all the trophies and rewards, just like the rest.

Why would people want to go and pay $30 to upgrade or even pay full price for Morrowind when it's still bugged and the Battlegrounds required for it doesn't work right...On top of that this event is only going to run for about 11 days...just really kind of lame to spend that kind of money for two achievements. This by far is the most expensive event ever, and most unfair...Really disappointed in this event, don't even think i'll be participating, even if you still get rewards for doing certain things..it's the principle of why start something if you can't finish? -_-

If you didn't buy Imperial City, or get access to it through Plus, was it 'dumb and unfair' that you did not get to play and benefit from the Imperial City anniversary event?

If you didn't buy the Wrothgar DLC, was it 'dumb and unfair' you didn't get to play and benefit from the Wrothgar anniversary event?

Definitely something dumb going on, but it's not the event.

An anniversary event for a dlc is different than a seasonal. And here I thought you were smarter than this.

And a PVP event is different than PVE events. It's easy enough for you folks to throw out things being 'irrelevant' and people being 'not smart' when it doesn't work for your argument, I get it.

The bottom line is: if you want to do the content you need to pay for the content. This holds true in the entirety of the game. If you want the associated benefits and achievements, pony up. If you don't, that's on you.

Scyantific · July 2017

BGs are plagued with various issues right now, including a still broken queue system, no actual matchmaking (usually ends up with PUGs vs stacked teams), and very little rewards for the efforts
Imperial City is usually flooded with zergs farming the district bosses or gankblades waiting at entrances/exits for that juicy Tel Var bounty.

Not sure what the problem is here with attempting to get people involved in both of these things.

Oakmontowls_ESO · July 2017

Sigtric wrote: »

The_Duke wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Smokinroses wrote: »

The_Duke wrote: »

In my opinion seasonal events should be for everyone. You shouldn't have to buy a "chapter" to get all achievements. Basically I now have to buy morrowind in order to get this.

Pretty crappy way to market DLCs sorry..."chapters" in my opinion.

Thank you! Lol I couldn't agree more. It's really stupid, a lot will be left out with this event, it's unfair. I don't care if you still get rewards from just doing PVP mode.. It's still the principle that it's supposedly going to be a "Special Holiday Event" yet not all can play and achieve. This by far is the dumbest and most unfair event ever.

Most who argue over the fact that people who don't own both DLC and Chapter shouldn't be catered to..only because they own both, and honestly that's just not right. Unfair argument right there. It's a Holiday Event, EVERYONE should be able to play and achieve all the trophies and rewards, just like the rest.

Why would people want to go and pay $30 to upgrade or even pay full price for Morrowind when it's still bugged and the Battlegrounds required for it doesn't work right...On top of that this event is only going to run for about 11 days...just really kind of lame to spend that kind of money for two achievements. This by far is the most expensive event ever, and most unfair...Really disappointed in this event, don't even think i'll be participating, even if you still get rewards for doing certain things..it's the principle of why start something if you can't finish? -_-

If you didn't buy Imperial City, or get access to it through Plus, was it 'dumb and unfair' that you did not get to play and benefit from the Imperial City anniversary event?

If you didn't buy the Wrothgar DLC, was it 'dumb and unfair' you didn't get to play and benefit from the Wrothgar anniversary event?

Definitely something dumb going on, but it's not the event.

An anniversary event for a dlc is different than a seasonal. And here I thought you were smarter than this.

And a PVP event is different than PVE events. It's easy enough for you folks to throw out things being 'irrelevant' and people being 'not smart' when it doesn't work for your argument, I get it.

The bottom line is: if you want to do the content you need to pay for the content. This holds true in the entirety of the game. If you want the associated benefits and achievements, pony up. If you don't, that's on you.

However they could have easily removed the achievements specifically for paid content and the event would have still worked just fine. The way the event is now is similar to having an event that forces you to do veteran trials or vMA in order to get the event title.

Sigtric · July 2017

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

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Incognitius wrote: »

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

As someone who both subscribes and owns the morrowind dlc/chapter/expansion. I do have to agree that It does seem out of place with the previous events that only required the base game to complete fully. I don't count the anniversary "events" in the same category of the likes of the jester festival or Witches festival since they added no new content and also had no achievements to earn during the duration of the event. Honestly I am against this event anyways since there is no pve aspect to it at all where as the previous events (towards the end of them) did have some rewards for pvp players. There is most likely a good number of people who feel obligated to do event content when it occurs but have no desire to go into the laggy mess that is pvp. This laggyness will be aggravated even more due to the influx of people playing in pvp zones for this event. All in all this is turning out to be my least favorite event yet.

^ I agree with this. Also got all DLC and Chapters, so no problem with having access to all content. Furthermore I myself don't care so much about achievements. But it does deviate from how these type of festivals have been handled in the past. And I can imagine ppl being peeved about this.

*shrugs* I'll most likely spend this event getting the needed double AP on my new characters to unlock precious skills for PVE.

It has to deviate if it is to include all PVP content available.

Does it need to include all PVP content though? They didn't do so for the Pve focused events.

That's ultimately not up to us, but I would think so. The amount of PVP content is rather small compared to the rest of the game. PVPers don't get as much added to their content as PVE.

All prior PVE events took you all over, and with the size of the PVE game it would have been impossible to make a timed event cover everything.

I don't see any legit reason not to include IC and BGs in the event. Folks crying about it being 'behind a paywall' is definitely not it.

Stopnaggin · July 2017

Shazah wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Shazah wrote: »

Not a surprise sadly. And it's quite bad to make en event like that locked behind a pay wall (paying a dlc + chapter), but not bad at all from a marketing view and making more profits.

News flash: the entire game is locked behind a paywall.

Irrevelant, the topic here is the mid year event, not the game base.

Did you pay for the base game? Then it is relevant. Does it suck? For some. I mean what next a PVP festival oh wait....

alexkdd99 · July 2017

Shazah wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Shazah wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Shazah wrote: »

Not a surprise sadly. And it's quite bad to make en event like that locked behind a pay wall (paying a dlc + chapter), but not bad at all from a marketing view and making more profits.

News flash: the entire game is locked behind a paywall.

Irrevelant, the topic here is the mid year event, not the game base.

The only reason it is irrelevant is because it doesn't fit your narrative. The simple fact of the matter is as stated by the comment below yours: if you don't buy the content you don't get to do the content.

This event has stuff in base game, stuff in Morrowind expansion. If you didn't get Morrowind you are not entitled to that portion of the content.

Throwing "paywall" around means nothing.

Okay, let me explain why your your answer is irrevelant (still). And there is nothing to see with my narrative or I don't know what.

it's quite simple, in comparison to previous and similars events (I mean events wich are not celebrating dlc anniversary) like witches festival or ESO 2nd and third anniversary, it's the first time some parts are locked and require to buy a chapter and a dlc. I'm talking about general events like this one who are not a part of dlc. So, is that normal to you and acceptable, being forced tp buy a chapter and another dlc if you want to complete this event at 100%? Thus, the event has some parts locked behind another paywall (purchase of dlc).
That's my point.
And it's a bad move from zenimax and it will make a lot of players mad about this.
In my opinion put some parts in morrowind and imperial city (just a tricky move from them for trying to get more sales) was not necessary for the first pvp event.

Out of all those people you say it will make mad, I say most will continue on playing. In the end those are just mine and your opinions, which are irrelevant.

If you can't see why it would be dumb not to include achievements from icp and morrowind then you should open your eyes and look at the big picture. They most recently released their first "chapter" to which battlegrounds are a fairly large portion of this chapter. But you want them to not include it in a PvP event? Now that would be a dumb move.

Flaminir · July 2017

Its very simple... ESO is an MMO.... MMO's evolve.... You can't expect future content such as events to always only be based off the original base game from years ago when the game launched.

Otherwise whats the point of the newer content? It would also be very limiting to only use base game for future events...

Especially in this case being a PvP event... 2 of the 3 PvP areas are in newer paid content so a PvP event without those included would be rather silly.

Runschei · July 2017

Personally I like to collect all the achievements, dyes and titles so I'mjust sad that I won't get this title >.>

I totally understand why they include Imperial City and battlegrounds, and I have no problem with that. I just don't want the two achievements from IC and BG to count towards the 'big' achievement with the title.

Oakmontowls_ESO · July 2017

Flaminir wrote: »

Its very simple... ESO is an MMO.... MMO's evolve.... You can't expect future content such as events to always only be based off the original base game from years ago when the game launched.

Otherwise whats the point of the newer content? It would also be very limiting to only use base game for future events...

Especially in this case being a PvP event... 2 of the 3 PvP areas are in newer paid content so a PvP event without those included would be rather silly.

If morrowind was a true expansion/ chapter to the extent of other mmos then it would make sense to have events use that content. however with zos making each dlc/ chapter a standalone product this just doesn't work. Personally I think if the non base game achieves weren't required for the title then people wouldn't be so upset.

Sigtric · July 2017

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

Flaminir wrote: »

Its very simple... ESO is an MMO.... MMO's evolve.... You can't expect future content such as events to always only be based off the original base game from years ago when the game launched.

Otherwise whats the point of the newer content? It would also be very limiting to only use base game for future events...

Especially in this case being a PvP event... 2 of the 3 PvP areas are in newer paid content so a PvP event without those included would be rather silly.

If morrowind was a true expansion/ chapter to the extent of other mmos then it would make sense to have events use that content. however with zos making each dlc/ chapter a standalone product this just doesn't work. Personally I think if the non base game achieves weren't required for the title then people wouldn't be so upset.

They are missing out on the achieves and titles that come from BG content too, what difference does it make? If you want the associated benefits from the content, get the content.

MasterSpatula · July 2017

Voxicity wrote: »

Much entitlement

As a sub who also thinks Holiday Events should stay base-game only, I dispute the validity of your opinion.

Oakmontowls_ESO · July 2017

Sigtric wrote: »

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

Flaminir wrote: »

Its very simple... ESO is an MMO.... MMO's evolve.... You can't expect future content such as events to always only be based off the original base game from years ago when the game launched.

Otherwise whats the point of the newer content? It would also be very limiting to only use base game for future events...

Especially in this case being a PvP event... 2 of the 3 PvP areas are in newer paid content so a PvP event without those included would be rather silly.

If morrowind was a true expansion/ chapter to the extent of other mmos then it would make sense to have events use that content. however with zos making each dlc/ chapter a standalone product this just doesn't work. Personally I think if the non base game achieves weren't required for the title then people wouldn't be so upset.

They are missing out on the achieves and titles that come from BG content too, what difference does it make? If you want the associated benefits from the content, get the content.

That argument doesn't work because the bg content achieves aren't time limited like these event ones are.

Sigtric · July 2017

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

Flaminir wrote: »

Its very simple... ESO is an MMO.... MMO's evolve.... You can't expect future content such as events to always only be based off the original base game from years ago when the game launched.

Otherwise whats the point of the newer content? It would also be very limiting to only use base game for future events...

Especially in this case being a PvP event... 2 of the 3 PvP areas are in newer paid content so a PvP event without those included would be rather silly.

If morrowind was a true expansion/ chapter to the extent of other mmos then it would make sense to have events use that content. however with zos making each dlc/ chapter a standalone product this just doesn't work. Personally I think if the non base game achieves weren't required for the title then people wouldn't be so upset.

They are missing out on the achieves and titles that come from BG content too, what difference does it make? If you want the associated benefits from the content, get the content.

That argument doesn't work because the bg content achieves aren't time limited like these event ones are.

Sure, they aren't time limited. So what?

If you want the associated benefits from the content, get the content.

kargen27 · July 2017

Shazah wrote: »

OMG, I give up. Am I talking martian or an unknown language? What is complicated to understand in my point of view?

Your point of view is easy to understand. Someone not agreeing with you doesn't mean they fail to understand what you are saying. The reason a special event has never been tied to chapter related content could be because this is the first time we have had chapter related content to tie to.

Why should special events be related only to the base game? Why ignore all that other content? Many players have paid to access that content and it makes sense to have a special event for that content from time to time. Gives those players more bang for their buck. Provides a reason to spend more time in that content or go back to it if they moved on. If you were not interested in the new content then why would you care at all about an event linked to the new content?

I understand that there is content in the game that for whatever reason isn't for me. That doesn't mean I'm going to get all bent out of shape simply because the people who do enjoy that content get a small reward for continuing to enjoy that content.

Stopnaggin · July 2017

I think it's a great marketing strategy, not really that bad since a lot of people will either buy the chapter and dlc, or just not participate. I mean if I was a developer I would certainly reward those who have bought the extras. How long can we keep running the same old stuff before it's worn out?
Should they have extended the free crates to those who got the free preview of eso plus? No problems with this at all.