Allowing others to place decorations

Minyassa · July 2017

This issue is extremely important to me. Right now the only thing keeping me from dropping stupid amounts of money on housing is that I want to share them with my family, and that means letting them place decorations while I am not there to babysit. I have spoken to others that wish that they could do the same for their guild; it's just too inconvenient to have to wait for someone to be online before you can put in that new ________ that you just made/found/earned/bought, so that you can then move it around where you want it. And what about all the couples (IRL or just friends with married toons!) playing this game who are buying houses to share with each other? It really doesn't make sense to make one have to wait until the other's available to get in the game to do some decorating.

I've heard concerns that allowing others to place items would be an invitation to grief by placing unwanted items all over, but honestly I don't think it ought to be that hard to just put in a "click to return to owner" feature as I've seen it in another, far older game. I am confident that ESO with their shiny modern coding can do everything another game can, and more!

Aurie · July 2017

Personally I would hate others to place decorations in any of my houses. It's the OCD thing coming out in me.

Minyassa · July 2017

Aurelle1 wrote: »

Personally I would hate others to place decorations in any of my houses. It's the OCD thing coming out in me.

That would be covered by not giving them decorator permissions, which is already a thing.

They don't have to change that, they just need to expand the existing decorator permissions.

xerikos · July 2017

Good idea that I would also like to see implemented in the not too distant future, yet there's a (serious) conflict with ZOS expectations: they want those other people to buy their own houses (and if it's with crowns, the better). So

emilyhyoyeon · July 2017

yeah my (IRL) spouse and I were going to get a house together since they have the crowns from plus that they don't spend, and let me decorate. but they aren't going to log in and place stuff for me to play with, and I can't log into their account to decorate on my own - so I'd love this feature

Minyassa · July 2017

xerikos wrote: »

Good idea that I would also like to see implemented in the not too distant future, yet there's a (serious) conflict with ZOS expectations: they want those other people to buy their own houses (and if it's with crowns, the better). So

I can see that angle, but I can also see this one: I am not the only person I know that won't spend eighty bucks on crowns for a house I can't share properly. I think they'd probably rather have one sale per two people than no sales for those two people, especially on big ticket items.

lasertooth · July 2017

While I support the idea of shared housing, I don't think it's practical. Imagine all the drama and help tickets that would be opened with people complaining and fighting over drama related to housing.

Like cats, I don't think humans [as a species] are particularly good at sharing. I see it causing more drama and headache for zos than it's worth.

Minyassa · July 2017

lasertooth wrote: »

While I support the idea of shared housing, I don't think it's practical. Imagine all the drama and help tickets that would be opened with people complaining and fighting over drama related to housing.

Like cats, I don't think humans [as a species] are particularly good at sharing. I see it causing more drama and headache for zos than it's worth.

"Be careful who you trust with permissions" is kind of a rule of thumb in any game where you can write people in to do things with your stuff, and game devs tend to be pretty up front about what isn't going to be in their jurisdiction. I've not seen any drama in LOTRO about shared housing, and it's quite prevalent as that's what their equivalent of guilds do to let members help decorate a guild base. I think the only problem they had, they solved by adding the "return bound item to owner" button.

Disarmonia · July 2017

Yes pls!

bellatrixed · July 2017

YES please. There's absolutely no reason why we shouldn't be able to.

I do a lot of decorating for friends and it becomes a huge hindrance when I can't add things, pick things up, or even use the retrieve function. If I get something lost somewhere I have to wait for the owner to get online and then explain how to use the retrieve function to get it...

And I have to wait for the house owner to get online to add each item I want to put in, and explain where I want it, instead of just being able to "donate" it to the project myself.

As far as issues, all they have to do is make a few 'rules' such as-
- anyone with permissions should be able to ADD items, including crown items bought with their own money--huge for guild houses
- items which are bound on use become bound to the house owner and can only be picked up by the owner
- side decorators can only pick up items not bound to anyone
- retrieve function can be used to RETRIEVE all items, i.e. edit the location, but not to pick them up
- maybe a storage system where you can pick up items but they are still bound to the house and not in anyone's inventory

There are TONS of things they could do to prevent griefing while still allowing people to decorate properly.

Magdalina · July 2017

That would be nice indeed. For now I'm stuck bugging friend whose house I'm decorating to stop whatever he's doing and get there to place that one missing fork

Edit: I don't really see any "griefing" issue tbh. It's like saying ONLY the guild's GM should be allowed to place and withdraw stuff from guildbank. Which would definitely prevent those "we trusted a random and he looted our bank empty" situations but c'mon...they should work on system(s) that let us share better, not prevent sharing and essentially playing together because someone might be an ass.

CaffeinatedMayhem · July 2017

Please, yes!

I would love to share decorator permissions with my IRL and in-game husband! We were going to decorate each other's homes, but stopped because transferring decorations was so annoying. Also! If you're only moving things around, you can't stow them in inventory to get rid of weird alignments!

vellectra · April 2019

Minyassa wrote: »

Aurelle1 wrote: »

Personally I would hate others to place decorations in any of my houses. It's the OCD thing coming out in me.

That would be covered by not giving them decorator permissions, which is already a thing. They don't have to change that, they just need to expand the existing decorator permissions.

I would suggest tweaking the current permissions to include Limited Visitor, Visitor, Limited Decorator and Decorator. The current Decorator rank would be the new Limited Decorator where you can't place furnishings on your own and can only move existing stuff around. The new Decorator rank would provide the ability to place things into the (guild's/friend's/family member's) home from your inventory and if you want to remove it, then the object will be sent to the original owner via mail. This would greatly benefit guilds such as role-playing ones since most of the houses are a combined effort by multiple guild members to create a carefully-built environment for RP.

Also an increase to the limit of furnishings that you can have in a house would also be great. 700 is truly not enough for some of the largest houses.

bayushi2005 · April 2019

Yes and no.
Personally I hate the idea of anyone placing anything in a complete home (even if complete means 200 items in a notable house) I built. It feels to me as somebody sticking their finger into my birthday cake.
On the second side I see the advantages to these, who like to decorate together or just want to get a proper interior design service.

Minyassa · April 2019

bayushi2005 wrote: »

Yes and no.
Personally I hate the idea of anyone placing anything in a complete home (even if complete means 200 items in a notable house) I built. It feels to me as somebody sticking their finger into my birthday cake.
On the second side I see the advantages to these, who like to decorate together or just want to get a proper interior design service.

I don't really understand the "no" part. Are you thinking that someone wants to make it so that people can put things in your house against your will or without your permission? I assure you that I'm putting emphasis on the "permission" part, and in the other game where I saw this sort of decorating permission taking place, there was no way to override the owner's permission, so no one could do that if you didn't actively choose for them to do it.

HICKXKUSH · April 2019

i honestly like the idea myself cause when you choose a house to make into a guild house you want to be able to make that house open to your guild members , with the permissions chosen wisely on who can do what and so on. far as drama , people just have to understand that if they made the mistake of choosing wrongly about who can do what , sorry thats your own fault, but everything to do with houses and the furniture to put in the houses and the limit on how much you can put in a home , is one way to expensive in real money, for the homes and the furniture but especially the furniture. and then only you can fill it is very steep and having this feature where others can help you fill the home to look nice for your players, to enjoy, would help take the burden some, and to share the cost as well as the house, but this would open the door to people buying more homes and filling them too.. my thoughts on this ...i would want this for my guild as well,

vellectra · April 2019

Minyassa wrote: »

bayushi2005 wrote: »

Yes and no.
Personally I hate the idea of anyone placing anything in a complete home (even if complete means 200 items in a notable house) I built. It feels to me as somebody sticking their finger into my birthday cake.
On the second side I see the advantages to these, who like to decorate together or just want to get a proper interior design service.

I don't really understand the "no" part. Are you thinking that someone wants to make it so that people can put things in your house against your will or without your permission? I assure you that I'm putting emphasis on the "permission" part, and in the other game where I saw this sort of decorating permission taking place, there was no way to override the owner's permission, so no one could do that if you didn't actively choose for them to do it.

I feel like people either forget or just don't understand that permissions exist to specifically prevent random people from griefing. It's not like someone can just come into your home and start removing/placing things down without the owner being able to do anything about it. House owners don't just hand out permissions to everyone either. I'd imagine that those with Decorator ranks are trusted friends or family members. And in case someone does start griefing, just remove their permissions or blacklist them from entering your house. Not a difficult concept.

Delphinia · April 2019

Absolutely love this idea! Being able to choose who can have this privilege is essential to this not being an issue of course. This would have been so much nicer to have when I was decorating for other players. I always hated having to ask them to port in so that I could trade them an item and have them place it, mail an item and wait for them to place it, or ask them to pick an item up to move it from inside to outside or vice versa. It would be a much smoother process if this concept was allowed. I played LOTRO as well and never recall having any issues. I also loved being able to share achievement items in my homes with fellow guild members as well as my husband.

anadandy · April 2019

Yes! I have been wanting this since Homestead dropped - some level of permission higher than decorator. My gaming partner and I joint own several houses - and we sometimes play opposite times, so it would be great to not to have to wait until he comes on when I get the decorating itch.

BretonMage · April 2019

YES. I fully concur.

If we could have a "shared housing" or "family" category so that we can share bound items, even better.

elantaura · April 2019

I share with a friend (we became best friends playing eso)
I would sign a waver or whatever to just give him access he would too. As it stands we have access to way better stuff than furniture. Ie all each other’s Gold mats, his guild etc. thousands of them between us. If we were going to have issue it would not be over a Breton desk, that’s for sure.
And if he was a jerk I would not have married him in game and helped him build his guild in the first place. Atm he wants me to decorate hews bane palace (I have the better furniture crafter as I spend lots on recipes) its a massive PIA due to this. As we do guild halls next is dueling one, it’s just tiresome and offputting.

LadySinflower · April 2019

The only thing I would add here would be a way to absolutely identify ownership of the items put in other people's houses. I could see situations where someone would want to take something back but the owner of the house had removed their decorator privilege and they could not. A simple decision when placing the item could alleviate problems. Ask the question "are you giving this item permanently to the other player?" Or "Are you loaning the item to the other player temporarily?" If you loaned the item and the other player removed your decorator privilege, a recall function could be used to pull the item back into your mail like pulling an item out of a guild store. People being people, I just see something like this being necessarily to avoid petty disagreements over ownership of furnishing items. The purchaser or crafter would always retain ownership unless they checked the box to outright give the item to the other player.

Minyassa · April 2019

LadySinflower wrote: »

The only thing I would add here would be a way to absolutely identify ownership of the items put in other people's houses. I could see situations where someone would want to take something back but the owner of the house had removed their decorator privilege and they could not. A simple decision when placing the item could alleviate problems. Ask the question "are you giving this item permanently to the other player?" Or "Are you loaning the item to the other player temporarily?" If you loaned the item and the other player removed your decorator privilege, a recall function could be used to pull the item back into your mail like pulling an item out of a guild store. People being people, I just see something like this being necessarily to avoid petty disagreements over ownership of furnishing items. The purchaser or crafter would always retain ownership unless they checked the box to outright give the item to the other player.

The way LOTRO has it set up is anything that's at all bound remains the placer's property and can be returned to them with a button-click, and anything that's tradeable is just placed and can be picked up by anyone with placement privilege--we used it to trade furnishings a few times. I never saw any arguments over whose stuff was whose, probably because everyone understood that was how it worked and because any furnishings that were special or expensive were bound and everything else was considered eminently giftable. I guess if people foresaw a problem with this in ESO (the player base does seem to be bit less...let's say "relaxed"...than the LOTRO playerbase) they could just make everything placed movable but not retrievable by anyone who didn't place it. But the thing is, right now in the houses I have decorator privilege in, I have to give my friend a furnishing so they can place it, and then after they place it I can pick it up if it's not bound. I'm already risking having someone take my stuff and then revoke privilege in the existing system, so that's already a set thing. My friend is already risking my taking their non-bound furnishings and running off with them, so that's also already a set thing. I haven't heard any issues with people grabbing furnishings this way yet.

BlizzySnowolf · April 2019

Yes and no. Personally I don't really like the idea of anyone placing anything in a complete home i built or something.. Just feels like people just mess it up although on the other side i could see some advantages to these too who like to share a home together. Would be a good idea then to have some kind of category perhaps like "shared houses" or "family"? maybe? Maybe have it that they can give permissions to certain persons only then.

Minyassa · April 2019

BlizzySnowolf wrote: »

Yes and no. Personally I don't really like the idea of anyone placing anything in a complete home i built or something.. Just feels like people just mess it up although on the other side i could see some advantages to these too who like to share a home together. Would be a good idea then to have some kind of category perhaps like "shared houses" or "family"? maybe? Maybe have it that they can give permissions to certain persons only then.

Like I replied before, there are already permission categories in place to prevent people from placing things in your home. We are looking for additional permission categories to allow something that *isn't* already a function. It is already a thing that you can give permission to certain people only, that's game default.