yeah this skill is super *** up

hahaha

puffytheslayer wrote: »

what?
so each tick of damage scales off direct damge and yet only the first tick of damage procs scathing!!!
why?

This isn't really unique to Twisting Path itself, the initial hit of a number of DoTs can proc this set when they don't come under the "Direct Damage" category. ie, Blockade, Liquid lightning to name a few, but to clarify, only the initial hit.


If anything this change makes it the same as these other DoT's, regardless of whether it scaled with Master at Arms or Thaumaturge.

It's actually consistent to how bahara's curse used to work with path when that was the hot set. The initial hit of the dot when they walked into path proc'ed bahara's and subsequent where just dots. The good part was that it was on initial entry into the AoE not at the cast so enemies that walked into for the first time gave you a chance to cast it individually.

If you take that into account you actually get 2 strategic uses for path, I recognize it's just easier to cast and forget currently on live: You keep casting it with people in the area you lay it down, or you use it for an area enemies will run over to get a staggered opportunity to proc it.

I can see how this sucks for people but it's actually pretty consistent with other sets that work somewhat similarly.

puffytheslayer wrote: »

DerpyShadowz wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

what?
so each tick of damage scales off direct damge and yet only the first tick of damage procs scathing!!!
why?

This isn't really unique to Twisting Path itself, the initial hit of a number of DoTs can proc this set when they don't come under the "Direct Damage" category. ie, Blockade, Liquid lightning to name a few, but to clarify, only the initial hit.


If anything this change makes it the same as these other DoT's, regardless of whether it scaled with Master at Arms or Thaumaturge.

but if the skill scales with master at arms it means it is recognised as direct damge so should proc sets like scathing and narineth

otherwise as other have said make it scale with thermatage and proc skoria

its the fact that it is neither one thing nor another and is working diffrently from everything else which is negativley effecting the mageblade in PvE

The reason the first hit scales is because of the change that happened with bahara's back in the day. The idea is that you also don't have skills that reduce AOE damage completely negate your ground based AOE. The scaling of the initial hit was to provide a single opportunity to proc certain sets or skills, the subsequent hits were to provide dots.

Technically with the change, the longer they stay in path the more chances you have to proc skoria, but when they first step in it, they give 1 chance to proc scathing.

Magicka Nightblades have finally been pulled off life support. Twisting Path is finally a dot. Someone grab a body bag...

On the majority of the fights around in the trials we have these days, stamina outdpses magicka on the majority of the fights, and there's not being anything done to balance that out, which is a shame. Now we have yet another magicka nb stealth nerf, which in my opinion, will hurt nightblades, but as of next patch you'd probably run other sets anyway. I just don't get what you're doing though @Wrobel Please try to make me understand these changes, sure twisting path proccing scathing was a bug, but why is it being addressed now, after TWO years of my first bug report on the issue?

Magicka templars is dead, magicka DKs is dead with all the stamina builds ripping off balance, nobody even would consider magicka warden, so the only choises as of right now is magicka nightblade and magicka sorcerer, yet both being far inferior to stamina. This game just keeps bleeding endgame players, and you're doing nothing about it.

Please, for the love of god. Either think about the balance changes you put on live, or get an actual QA team to go over them before you release them, this doesn't only apply for balance changes, but more or less for all the changes that's been hitting PvE. You keep releasing broken content, and your justification doesn't make any sense whatsoever, it's like you don't even play your own game. As the wise developers from JaGeX said, at one point in your game, the players will know the game far more than the actual developers, so listen to them, poll content, just for the love of god include us in your decision making. /rant

Love Wizard wrote: »

On the majority of the fights around in the trials we have these days, stamina outdpses magicka on the majority of the fights, and there's not being anything done to balance that out, which is a shame. Now we have yet another magicka nb stealth nerf, which in my opinion, will hurt nightblades, but as of next patch you'd probably run other sets anyway. I just don't get what you're doing though @Wrobel Please try to make me understand these changes, sure twisting path proccing scathing was a bug, but why is it being addressed now, after TWO years of my first bug report on the issue?

Magicka templars is dead, magicka DKs is dead with all the stamina builds ripping off balance, nobody even would consider magicka warden, so the only choises as of right now is magicka nightblade and magicka sorcerer, yet both being far inferior to stamina. This game just keeps bleeding endgame players, and you're doing nothing about it.

Please, for the love of god. Either think about the balance changes you put on live, or get an actual QA team to go over them before you release them, this doesn't only apply for balance changes, but more or less for all the changes that's been hitting PvE. You keep releasing broken content, and your justification doesn't make any sense whatsoever, it's like you don't even play your own game. As the wise developers from JaGeX said, at one point in your game, the players will know the game far more than the actual developers, so listen to them, poll content, just for the love of god include us in your decision making. /rant

Very well said^

Love Wizard wrote: »

On the majority of the fights around in the trials we have these days, stamina outdpses magicka on the majority of the fights, and there's not being anything done to balance that out, which is a shame. Now we have yet another magicka nb stealth nerf, which in my opinion, will hurt nightblades, but as of next patch you'd probably run other sets anyway. I just don't get what you're doing though @Wrobel Please try to make me understand these changes, sure twisting path proccing scathing was a bug, but why is it being addressed now, after TWO years of my first bug report on the issue?

Magicka templars is dead, magicka DKs is dead with all the stamina builds ripping off balance, nobody even would consider magicka warden, so the only choises as of right now is magicka nightblade and magicka sorcerer, yet both being far inferior to stamina. This game just keeps bleeding endgame players, and you're doing nothing about it.

Please, for the love of god. Either think about the balance changes you put on live, or get an actual QA team to go over them before you release them, this doesn't only apply for balance changes, but more or less for all the changes that's been hitting PvE. You keep releasing broken content, and your justification doesn't make any sense whatsoever, it's like you don't even play your own game. As the wise developers from JaGeX said, at one point in your game, the players will know the game far more than the actual developers, so listen to them, poll content, just for the love of god include us in your decision making. /rant

Well said, nothing more to add, Magicka Nightblade never dominated in group PvE, in Morrowind we had unique set what worked well with us, now we are in pair with Magicka Templars, Julianos, TBS, and that's it. Magblade needs to track Merciless Resolve, Siphoning Attacks, Twisting path and Crippling and Blockade differently, and we are not even rewarded for that, because staminas are doing 10k single target dps more by just holding LMB, because heavy attack weaving doesn't even need animation cancelling. I just decided to take a break in competetive PvE of that, and few others IRL reasons.

ZOS_KNowak wrote: »

Twisting Path was never intended to be a "direct damage" attack - it should be considered a "damage over time" attack (much like other area of effect ticking abilities such as Wall of Elements or Ash Cloud). This first PTS build has a partial fix to its behavior, and a later PTS build will have the full fix for it (and the accompanying patch note).

We are also investigating better ways to communicate what is a "direct damage" attack versus a "damage over time" attack (along with other tooltip terms such as "melee" attack), so that it is more clear how certain Item Set procs interact with certain abilities.

I would -LOVE- to know what a "direct damage" attack is. That's the most confusing one for me.

I saw that "." Gina

I guess I shouldn't be surprised since this was technically a bug, but has anyone looked at the uptime on PTS to compare it with live? Is it possible to get the proc rate increased for Scathing? I don't want to farm again or go back to being the butt monkey ;_;

Br1ckst0n wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

And yet most trial groups are filled, or almost filled with all mag dps. Why? Because they are far safer and play just fine at range. Stam is, as it should be, the strongest st dps.

Ironicly deadly cloak makes stamina safer than magicka atm.

Rofl, are you serious right now?

You all should chill, what are talking about here, 50 max spell dmge lost? 80 at best? Give me a break. It's a shame yes, it was fun but hardly a big deal.

ZOS_KNowak wrote: »

Twisting Path was never intended to be a "direct damage" attack - it should be considered a "damage over time" attack (much like other area of effect ticking abilities such as Wall of Elements or Ash Cloud). This first PTS build has a partial fix to its behavior, and a later PTS build will have the full fix for it (and the accompanying patch note).

We are also investigating better ways to communicate what is a "direct damage" attack versus a "damage over time" attack (along with other tooltip terms such as "melee" attack), so that it is more clear how certain Item Set procs interact with certain abilities.

Warden's Fetcher Infection is still considered a direct damage, despite it clearly being a damage over time effect. It can proc Nerein'eth. Try it, if you don't believe.