More magicka on magicka builds..

Durham · July 2017

Testing needs to be done on this please a balance issue can come into play very quickly.. shields based off of magicka + increased damage ...
Defense goes up and damage goes up..

Durham · July 2017

Sorry for the double post it posted twice for some reason...

Lieblingsjunge · July 2017

There's already been a few hard-hitting builds. I've seen people with 62k Max Magicka on a Magblade. 23k crit on AW-procs. Hypes.

These builds have been around for ages. I don't think this is gonna change that much tbh. It's just making the mage mundus more relevant again.

Magıc · July 2017

Don't see a problem with it. Max magicka builds have weaknesses just like any other builds (except procblades)

Durham · July 2017

I'm not saying there should be a nerf im saying test it... because if there is even more magicka in the pools that means more defense.... When I fight a magicka toon of equal ability including myself I lose at moment just sayimg...

In PVP the meta has already switched from stam to magicka.(excluding night blades)... Night Blade will be hit hard with the much needed nerf of proc sets... Last night I looked at the top 100 of AD on Vivec there were 9 DKs... I think 3 are stam...

There will be a rebalance in 6 months when the player base is almost all magicka in PVP....I do not like to see these huge swings... I saying let's test this and give feedback...

Biro123 · July 2017

Are they not upping all stats from gear, not jus magica?

tbh, when I saw the change I thought it a bit odd.. a buff to magsorcs? not really needed.. but then I saw what's gonna happen with oblivion and figured.. sorc's simply can't rely shields anymore...

Durham · July 2017

Yea again not saying any buffs geez... not saying nerf... I'm saying test...

Pastas · July 2017

Magıc wrote: »

Don't see a problem with it. Max magicka builds have weaknesses just like any other builds (except procblades)

lol reading forums seeems like only NB are using proc sets

Murador178 · July 2017

Magıc wrote: »

Don't see a problem with it. Max magicka builds have weaknesses just like any other builds (except procblades)

Procblades got huge weaknesses... , they got less weapondmg/stam in return for procced dmg --> lower healing, they just tend to hide in cloak until selene incap is up and cloak again- when u see ambush that's ur detectpot timing get ur boundless going and stay on him.

This patch magicka got the better proc sets anyways:
- Torugspact+ obilivion echant infused staff procs everyweave--> equals 3k dmg on ever weave through shields
- Skoria: bit lower dmg as selene without counterplay- awesome
- infernalguardian

So my mag sorc on pts is like always broken -nice tripple shield stack.
Almost 60k magicka with shadowrend (minor maim on 3ple shield)+ necro with over 2k mag reg. I get bored of these mag sorc flaming the forums how weak they are. Mag sorcs have easy burst, very good and easy surviveability(with 60k magicka its called not forgetting to shield every 6 sec ur 2 monster shields and maybe healing ward).

And yes the max ressource pools buff is a buff to the anyways broken shieldstacking.
I think even @Derra will agree here with me.

Biro123 · July 2017

Murador178 wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Don't see a problem with it. Max magicka builds have weaknesses just like any other builds (except procblades)

Procblades got huge weaknesses... , they got less weapondmg/stam in return for procced dmg --> lower healing, they just tend to hide in cloak until selene incap is up and cloak again- when u see ambush that's ur detectpot timing get ur boundless going and stay on him.

This patch magicka got the better proc sets anyways:
- Torugspact+ obilivion echant infused staff procs everyweave--> equals 3k dmg on ever weave through shields
- Skoria: bit lower dmg as selene without counterplay- awesome
- infernalguardian

So my mag sorc on pts is like always broken -nice tripple shield stack.
Almost 60k magicka with shadowrend (minor maim on 3ple shield)+ necro with over 2k mag reg. I get bored of these mag sorc flaming the forums how weak they are. Mag sorcs have easy burst, very good and easy surviveability(with 60k magicka its called not forgetting to shield every 6 sec ur 2 monster shields and maybe healing ward).

And yes the max ressource pools buff is a buff to the anyways broken shieldstacking.
I think even @Derra will agree here with me.

WIth the oblivion stuff - I don't think a sorc can just rely on huge shields anymore. Won't have bar space for more than one with all the healing that will be needed.

Murador178 · July 2017

Biro123 wrote: »

Murador178 wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Don't see a problem with it. Max magicka builds have weaknesses just like any other builds (except procblades)

Procblades got huge weaknesses... , they got less weapondmg/stam in return for procced dmg --> lower healing, they just tend to hide in cloak until selene incap is up and cloak again- when u see ambush that's ur detectpot timing get ur boundless going and stay on him.

This patch magicka got the better proc sets anyways:
- Torugspact+ obilivion echant infused staff procs everyweave--> equals 3k dmg on ever weave through shields
- Skoria: bit lower dmg as selene without counterplay- awesome
- infernalguardian

So my mag sorc on pts is like always broken -nice tripple shield stack.
Almost 60k magicka with shadowrend (minor maim on 3ple shield)+ necro with over 2k mag reg. I get bored of these mag sorc flaming the forums how weak they are. Mag sorcs have easy burst, very good and easy surviveability(with 60k magicka its called not forgetting to shield every 6 sec ur 2 monster shields and maybe healing ward).

And yes the max ressource pools buff is a buff to the anyways broken shieldstacking.
I think even @Derra will agree here with me.

WIth the oblivion stuff - I don't think a sorc can just rely on huge shields anymore. Won't have bar space for more than one with all the healing that will be needed.

If somebody abuses that obilivion build in a duel get ur pets going otherwise u got no chance.^^ Hots are not enough anyways. So that obilivion stuff even breaks snb heavy armor players

.

Derra · July 2017

Biro123 wrote: »

Murador178 wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Don't see a problem with it. Max magicka builds have weaknesses just like any other builds (except procblades)

Procblades got huge weaknesses... , they got less weapondmg/stam in return for procced dmg --> lower healing, they just tend to hide in cloak until selene incap is up and cloak again- when u see ambush that's ur detectpot timing get ur boundless going and stay on him.

This patch magicka got the better proc sets anyways:
- Torugspact+ obilivion echant infused staff procs everyweave--> equals 3k dmg on ever weave through shields
- Skoria: bit lower dmg as selene without counterplay- awesome
- infernalguardian

So my mag sorc on pts is like always broken -nice tripple shield stack.
Almost 60k magicka with shadowrend (minor maim on 3ple shield)+ necro with over 2k mag reg. I get bored of these mag sorc flaming the forums how weak they are. Mag sorcs have easy burst, very good and easy surviveability(with 60k magicka its called not forgetting to shield every 6 sec ur 2 monster shields and maybe healing ward).

And yes the max ressource pools buff is a buff to the anyways broken shieldstacking.
I think even @Derra will agree here with me.

WIth the oblivion stuff - I don't think a sorc can just rely on huge shields anymore. Won't have bar space for more than one with all the healing that will be needed.

I think especially with these enchatments huge magica pool gains importance and trippleshieldstack gets promoted.

Shadowrend + 5 necro + 3 ancient grace is exactly what i would play to counter torugs. You have so enormous shields that they allow you to cast hardened harness healing and let healing ward run out to get the end heal from healing ward.

I don´t think that´s a good thing.

Biro123 · July 2017

Murador178 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Murador178 wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Don't see a problem with it. Max magicka builds have weaknesses just like any other builds (except procblades)

Procblades got huge weaknesses... , they got less weapondmg/stam in return for procced dmg --> lower healing, they just tend to hide in cloak until selene incap is up and cloak again- when u see ambush that's ur detectpot timing get ur boundless going and stay on him.

This patch magicka got the better proc sets anyways:
- Torugspact+ obilivion echant infused staff procs everyweave--> equals 3k dmg on ever weave through shields
- Skoria: bit lower dmg as selene without counterplay- awesome
- infernalguardian

So my mag sorc on pts is like always broken -nice tripple shield stack.
Almost 60k magicka with shadowrend (minor maim on 3ple shield)+ necro with over 2k mag reg. I get bored of these mag sorc flaming the forums how weak they are. Mag sorcs have easy burst, very good and easy surviveability(with 60k magicka its called not forgetting to shield every 6 sec ur 2 monster shields and maybe healing ward).

And yes the max ressource pools buff is a buff to the anyways broken shieldstacking.
I think even @Derra will agree here with me.

WIth the oblivion stuff - I don't think a sorc can just rely on huge shields anymore. Won't have bar space for more than one with all the healing that will be needed.

If somebody abuses that obilivion build in a duel get ur pets going otherwise u got no chance.^^ Hots are not enough anyways. So that obilivion stuff even breaks snb heavy armor players .

Theres is no 'IF'. Everyone is gonna be running infused oblivion imho.. just a couple of those guys plinking at you from range in open world or a siege is gonna mess you up. Gonna need multiple sources of healing under a single shield imho.

Murador178 · July 2017

Derra wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Murador178 wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Don't see a problem with it. Max magicka builds have weaknesses just like any other builds (except procblades)

Procblades got huge weaknesses... , they got less weapondmg/stam in return for procced dmg --> lower healing, they just tend to hide in cloak until selene incap is up and cloak again- when u see ambush that's ur detectpot timing get ur boundless going and stay on him.

This patch magicka got the better proc sets anyways:
- Torugspact+ obilivion echant infused staff procs everyweave--> equals 3k dmg on ever weave through shields
- Skoria: bit lower dmg as selene without counterplay- awesome
- infernalguardian

So my mag sorc on pts is like always broken -nice tripple shield stack.
Almost 60k magicka with shadowrend (minor maim on 3ple shield)+ necro with over 2k mag reg. I get bored of these mag sorc flaming the forums how weak they are. Mag sorcs have easy burst, very good and easy surviveability(with 60k magicka its called not forgetting to shield every 6 sec ur 2 monster shields and maybe healing ward).

And yes the max ressource pools buff is a buff to the anyways broken shieldstacking.
I think even @Derra will agree here with me.

WIth the oblivion stuff - I don't think a sorc can just rely on huge shields anymore. Won't have bar space for more than one with all the healing that will be needed.

I think especially with these enchatments huge magica pool gains importance and trippleshieldstack gets promoted.

Shadowrend + 5 necro + 3 ancient grace is exactly what i would play to counter torugs. You have so enormous shields that they allow you to cast hardened harness healing and let healing ward run out to get the end heal from healing ward.

I don´t think that´s a good thing.

U need pet heal or u will go down . Outhealing that isnt possible- u get low one time to lets say 6 k hp - 2 autos and ur gone. So without huge shields u will get easier hp dmg ontop of the obilivion - best bet is probably 55k magicka with 2 pets and maybe shadowrend for minormaim. I fought a good mag nb with tk lich and torugs. The fights in which my pet sorc went down my whole deathcap was echant hits for 3k each.

Derra · July 2017

Biro123 wrote: »

Murador178 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Murador178 wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Don't see a problem with it. Max magicka builds have weaknesses just like any other builds (except procblades)

Procblades got huge weaknesses... , they got less weapondmg/stam in return for procced dmg --> lower healing, they just tend to hide in cloak until selene incap is up and cloak again- when u see ambush that's ur detectpot timing get ur boundless going and stay on him.

This patch magicka got the better proc sets anyways:
- Torugspact+ obilivion echant infused staff procs everyweave--> equals 3k dmg on ever weave through shields
- Skoria: bit lower dmg as selene without counterplay- awesome
- infernalguardian

So my mag sorc on pts is like always broken -nice tripple shield stack.
Almost 60k magicka with shadowrend (minor maim on 3ple shield)+ necro with over 2k mag reg. I get bored of these mag sorc flaming the forums how weak they are. Mag sorcs have easy burst, very good and easy surviveability(with 60k magicka its called not forgetting to shield every 6 sec ur 2 monster shields and maybe healing ward).

And yes the max ressource pools buff is a buff to the anyways broken shieldstacking.
I think even @Derra will agree here with me.

WIth the oblivion stuff - I don't think a sorc can just rely on huge shields anymore. Won't have bar space for more than one with all the healing that will be needed.

If somebody abuses that obilivion build in a duel get ur pets going otherwise u got no chance.^^ Hots are not enough anyways. So that obilivion stuff even breaks snb heavy armor players .

Theres is no 'IF'. Everyone is gonna be running infused oblivion imho.. just a couple of those guys plinking at you from range in open world or a siege is gonna mess you up. Gonna need multiple sources of healing under a single shield imho.

Don´t think everyone will.

It´s too unattractive outside of Xv1ing. Who wants to have a build specifically to kill players they outnumber.

Murador178 · July 2017

Derra wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Murador178 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Murador178 wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Don't see a problem with it. Max magicka builds have weaknesses just like any other builds (except procblades)

Procblades got huge weaknesses... , they got less weapondmg/stam in return for procced dmg --> lower healing, they just tend to hide in cloak until selene incap is up and cloak again- when u see ambush that's ur detectpot timing get ur boundless going and stay on him.

This patch magicka got the better proc sets anyways:
- Torugspact+ obilivion echant infused staff procs everyweave--> equals 3k dmg on ever weave through shields
- Skoria: bit lower dmg as selene without counterplay- awesome
- infernalguardian

So my mag sorc on pts is like always broken -nice tripple shield stack.
Almost 60k magicka with shadowrend (minor maim on 3ple shield)+ necro with over 2k mag reg. I get bored of these mag sorc flaming the forums how weak they are. Mag sorcs have easy burst, very good and easy surviveability(with 60k magicka its called not forgetting to shield every 6 sec ur 2 monster shields and maybe healing ward).

And yes the max ressource pools buff is a buff to the anyways broken shieldstacking.
I think even @Derra will agree here with me.

WIth the oblivion stuff - I don't think a sorc can just rely on huge shields anymore. Won't have bar space for more than one with all the healing that will be needed.

If somebody abuses that obilivion build in a duel get ur pets going otherwise u got no chance.^^ Hots are not enough anyways. So that obilivion stuff even breaks snb heavy armor players .

Theres is no 'IF'. Everyone is gonna be running infused oblivion imho.. just a couple of those guys plinking at you from range in open world or a siege is gonna mess you up. Gonna need multiple sources of healing under a single shield imho.

Don´t think everyone will.

It´s too unattractive outside of Xv1ing. Who wants to have a build specifically to kill players they outnumber.

It's quite nice on a mag nb for duels aswell or 1vX.

Derra · July 2017

Murador178 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Murador178 wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Don't see a problem with it. Max magicka builds have weaknesses just like any other builds (except procblades)

Procblades got huge weaknesses... , they got less weapondmg/stam in return for procced dmg --> lower healing, they just tend to hide in cloak until selene incap is up and cloak again- when u see ambush that's ur detectpot timing get ur boundless going and stay on him.

This patch magicka got the better proc sets anyways:
- Torugspact+ obilivion echant infused staff procs everyweave--> equals 3k dmg on ever weave through shields
- Skoria: bit lower dmg as selene without counterplay- awesome
- infernalguardian

So my mag sorc on pts is like always broken -nice tripple shield stack.
Almost 60k magicka with shadowrend (minor maim on 3ple shield)+ necro with over 2k mag reg. I get bored of these mag sorc flaming the forums how weak they are. Mag sorcs have easy burst, very good and easy surviveability(with 60k magicka its called not forgetting to shield every 6 sec ur 2 monster shields and maybe healing ward).

And yes the max ressource pools buff is a buff to the anyways broken shieldstacking.
I think even @Derra will agree here with me.

WIth the oblivion stuff - I don't think a sorc can just rely on huge shields anymore. Won't have bar space for more than one with all the healing that will be needed.

I think especially with these enchatments huge magica pool gains importance and trippleshieldstack gets promoted.

Shadowrend + 5 necro + 3 ancient grace is exactly what i would play to counter torugs. You have so enormous shields that they allow you to cast hardened harness healing and let healing ward run out to get the end heal from healing ward.

I don´t think that´s a good thing.

U need pet heal or u will go down . Outhealing that isnt possible- u get low one time to lets say 6 k hp - 2 autos and ur gone. So without huge shields u will get easier hp dmg ontop of the obilivion - best bet is probably 55k magicka with 2 pets and maybe shadowrend for minormaim. I fought a good mag nb with tk lich and torugs. The fights in which my pet sorc went down my whole deathcap was echant hits for 3k each.

No idea as i can´t play on pts yet. I´ve never really had an issue with shieldbreaker and this is basically a somewhat buffed shieldbreaker.

I think it should be manageable 1v1.

Magblade just hardcounters sorc when played properly anyhow.

Biro123 · July 2017

Derra wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Murador178 wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Murador178 wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Don't see a problem with it. Max magicka builds have weaknesses just like any other builds (except procblades)

Procblades got huge weaknesses... , they got less weapondmg/stam in return for procced dmg --> lower healing, they just tend to hide in cloak until selene incap is up and cloak again- when u see ambush that's ur detectpot timing get ur boundless going and stay on him.

This patch magicka got the better proc sets anyways:
- Torugspact+ obilivion echant infused staff procs everyweave--> equals 3k dmg on ever weave through shields
- Skoria: bit lower dmg as selene without counterplay- awesome
- infernalguardian

So my mag sorc on pts is like always broken -nice tripple shield stack.
Almost 60k magicka with shadowrend (minor maim on 3ple shield)+ necro with over 2k mag reg. I get bored of these mag sorc flaming the forums how weak they are. Mag sorcs have easy burst, very good and easy surviveability(with 60k magicka its called not forgetting to shield every 6 sec ur 2 monster shields and maybe healing ward).

And yes the max ressource pools buff is a buff to the anyways broken shieldstacking.
I think even @Derra will agree here with me.

WIth the oblivion stuff - I don't think a sorc can just rely on huge shields anymore. Won't have bar space for more than one with all the healing that will be needed.

If somebody abuses that obilivion build in a duel get ur pets going otherwise u got no chance.^^ Hots are not enough anyways. So that obilivion stuff even breaks snb heavy armor players .

Theres is no 'IF'. Everyone is gonna be running infused oblivion imho.. just a couple of those guys plinking at you from range in open world or a siege is gonna mess you up. Gonna need multiple sources of healing under a single shield imho.

Don´t think everyone will.

It´s too unattractive outside of Xv1ing. Who wants to have a build specifically to kill players they outnumber.

I'm not sure, Derra,

You gotta remember that the majority of people in PVP make up that 'X'. Plus most people will see the sharpened nerf, be looking at alternatives and see what's complained about on the forums and go straight for it. Not to mention that even on 1v1s or solo setups, it levels the field somewhat in terms of being able to damage certain setups that you may otherwise struggle with. People just won't see any downsides with using it, not to mention it being pretty easy to get.

DDuke · July 2017

Magıc wrote: »

Don't see a problem with it. Max magicka builds have weaknesses just like any other builds (except procblades)

I wonder if you've ever tried dueling with a "procblade", you might have a different opinion on them not having weaknesses.

Medium armor in general is virtually useless for anything other than ganking noobs in PvP, and probably useless for that too after the patch - so expect to see heavy armor cancer builds everywhere.

seedubsrun · July 2017

Would love to see what tests come up with. Not sure there will be much difference though really. If say I'm running 5-necro and Illambris I'll get 4 x 967 (pre-patch)= 3,868 magicka. With the update giving an extra 13.3% magicka it's 4 x 1096 = 4,382. That's only 514 extra magicka with Willpower (willpower so far is not effected by the change) and 645 extra with Moondancer. Even taking into account things that boost your magicka by a percentage, that doesn't provide a huge boost by any means.

Murador178 · July 2017

DDuke wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Don't see a problem with it. Max magicka builds have weaknesses just like any other builds (except procblades)

I wonder if you've ever tried dueling with a "procblade", you might have a different opinion on them not having weaknesses.

Medium armor in general is virtually useless for anything other than ganking noobs in PvP, and probably useless for that too after the patch - so expect to see heavy armor cancer builds everywhere.

Yeah it's rly funny. Always the nightblade proccers are the bad guys. But a magicka dk using skoria (another thing ignoring dodge) is totally legit.

Emma_Overload · July 2017

Durham wrote: »

Testing needs to be done on this please a balance issue can come into play very quickly.. shields based off of magicka + increased damage ...
Defense goes up and damage goes up..

You could say the same thing about the buff to Nirnhoned trait and whatever the Mundus is for Weapon Damage! There are already a ton of multipliers that help stam builds increase their Weapon Damage to 5000 and beyond... these changes are just going to make the disparity between Weapon Damage and Spell Damage EVEN WORSE.

See how that works?

Subversus · July 2017

@emma_overload my buddy used to get 4700 weapon damage in his 1v1 build with 30k resists infinite 1v1 sustain and 27k hp... pre morrowind though, might be even more damage and 1v1 efficiency now.

Murador178 · July 2017

@Subversus That's bc of the broken heavy armor sets: He is probalby using seventh legion+ravager/fury and some monsterhelms. And is sustaining over redguard+ heavy attacks+ class sustain spell(siphoning, dark deal, battleroar etc.). So what OP sets does medium armor get. Ontop of getting killed by one soulassault is pretty sad.

Subversus · July 2017

That's why I called it a 1v1 build @Murador178 it would get murdered in open world...

Murador178 · July 2017

@Subversus that's the reason @Emma_Overload example is lacking, try to build an openworld nb with 5k weapondmg

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FakeFox · July 2017

My current PvP Build is a Warden with over 50k magicka, my burstcombo oneshots pretty much everything with cliffracer alone hitting people for over 10k, on the defensive side my shields get so big there is no reason to run any defensive stats. This allready feels pretty broken on live...

DDuke · July 2017

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

Testing needs to be done on this please a balance issue can come into play very quickly.. shields based off of magicka + increased damage ...
Defense goes up and damage goes up..

You could say the same thing about the buff to Nirnhoned trait and whatever the Mundus is for Weapon Damage! There are already a ton of multipliers that help stam builds increase their Weapon Damage to 5000 and beyond... these changes are just going to make the disparity between Weapon Damage and Spell Damage EVEN WORSE.

See how that works?

Sharpened is worth roughly 8% damage currently.

Nirnhoned is worth 146 spell/weapon dmg unbuffed on anything other than 2H, 182,5 with both Major & Minor buffs.
100 Spell/Weapon Damage=roughly 1.2% damage, so we get what is worth 2% dmg with Nirnhoned currently.

On 2H, you get 173 worth of weapon/spell dmg with Nirnhoned, 216 with Minor/Major buffs.
100 Spell/Weapon Damage=roughly 1.2% damage, so we get what is worth around 2.5% dmg.

After patch, Sharpened will be worth roughly 4.1% damage.

Nirnhoned on anything else than 2H will be worth 200 spell/weapon damage, or 250 with Major/Minor buffs.
100 Spell/Weapon Damage=roughly 1.2% damage, so we get around 3% damage from Nirnhoned here.

Nirnhoned on 2H will be worth 236 weapon/spell damage, or 295 with Major/Minor buffs.
So roughly a 3.6% damage increase from Nirnhoned.

Tell me how this compares to the pre-patch Sharpened (8%)?

Maths, see how they work?

Subversus · July 2017

Speaking of max mag, I'm pretty positive I can break 70k on magblade on the pts... just gotta get home and test ayyy

Murador178 · July 2017

Subversus wrote: »

Speaking of max mag, I'm pretty positive I can break 70k on magblade on the pts... just gotta get home and test ayyy

more like 65k i think. so the joke with max magicka sorc/nb is: It's viable openworld with 56k magicka(nb higher) or so, not like these tank builds with no mobility.
And u can kill medium armor builds (except stamblades there u would even need to time curse and execute with it) with soulassault, making medium armor builds(except stamblade) pretty much not very viable.

Subversus · July 2017

@Murador178 I broke 60k before morrowind, was thinking that with full divines and the new munduses you'd probably break even more. You must be right though, you can't really multiply the full divines mag bonus that much though...

I wonder how it would work sustaining it though, I haven't played my nb ever since I quit ESO before morrowind and I hear dreadful stories about that