where did all the good Guilds go?

Lpanagosub17_ESO · July 2017

i got a question... where have all the good guilds gone ? I have been in a couple good ones but for the most part they seem to be set up for a few friends to generate income in the form of goods and possibly coin. I am an active guild member I like to craft and will give and take with my guild for the benefit of both I like to feel like a part of the group. but my experience lately has be soured by guilds who say they don't trust members to not rob them, so they don't raise members up in rank to prevent them from having access to the bank. but of course they will allow all members to deposit into the bank. feels more like a serfdom rather than a guild

MissBizz · July 2017

Not commenting on "good guilds" but I can make a comment on the bank access thing.

I am guildmaster of a guild, and yeah, we don't promote people to bank access nearly as often. The game has 0 restrictions on the guild bank being robbed, and people apparently make a game life about doing so. We've been robbed by member who were in the guild for months and SEEMED very trustworthy. As the game stands though, it's taught us that you really can't trust many with bank access, and that people constantly asking officers for items is how it should be. You know, because people like spending half their playtime grabbing the odd item out of the guild bank for someone else. Sorry, last comment was a bit of a rant.

Lpanagosub17_ESO · July 2017

No i don't know what it is like I don't grab items I don't need and I always give back when I take from the bank. I thought the idea of the guild was to work as a group help each other out in questing and crafting ect. I think its terrible that there are gamers out there that feel no loyalty to their guild and with out guilt steal. It ruins it for honest gamers.

StormWylf · July 2017

Just a couple of examples from the last three years

2015
2016
2017

StormWylf · July 2017

Oops forgot this one from July 5th
Guild Extortion

Betheny · July 2017

Lpanagosub17_ESO wrote: »

[I think its terrible that there are gamers out there that feel no loyalty to their guild and with out guilt steal. It ruins it for honest gamers.

It does, but that's how it is in this game.

ZOS does not give guilds the tools they need to manage their members and bank properly. They seem too lazy and/or impervious to good suggestions from the community.

Lpanagosub17_ESO · July 2017

Depressing, StormWylf

Stovahkiin · July 2017

I hear you OP. For the last year or so, I was always part of at least one guild, and I loved it. That guild however has since disbanded and I've been playing mostly solo since then. I've tried other guilds and guild types but none of them have been any good compared to my last one.

All of the guilds I find nowadays are either immature or completely silent in terms of guild chat/activities. Trading guilds hardly count as guilds either if the majority of the people in them are just, as the name implies, trading.

*edit* and hey, if anyone on PC NA would want to try making a good social guild of their own then I'd probably be willing to join. It's always nice to have an at least semi-relaxed, talkative guild imo.

Kalante · July 2017

You can't give every scrub access to guild bank. Someone will rob it eventually because that's human nature.

Stovahkiin · July 2017

Kalante wrote: »

You can't give every scrub access to guild bank. Someone will rob it eventually because that's human nature.

That's true. However I believe OP's point, at least in part, was more so talking about guilds that don't advance people in rank even if they are active members over time, simply because they don't want to trust more people with it.

WuffyCerulei · July 2017

I've been in this one trading guild for over a year now, and it's been good to me. We fortunately don't have guild bank robbings due to bank access being extremely limited to trusted officers, but someone recently had spied on the GM's bids for our trader for another trading guild, and we ended loosing him for the week. Officers learned that the spy was in-guild and had to limit guild invites.

idk · July 2017

Zos has provided only one ability to manage access to items in the guild bank and that is either access to everything or nothing. It is not a bad idea to lock off bank access to rank and file and have them ask the leaders for access.

If Zos allows guilds to cordon off sections of the bank and manage access per section more guilds would probably allow some access to common items. Basically one section would have the more rare or valuable items that only officers would have access to.

But Zos does not think there is reason for that benefit for guilds.

xb1LL_mr_sir_LL · July 2017

Lpanagosub17_ESO wrote: »

i got a question... where have all the good guilds gone ? I have been in a couple good ones but for the most part they seem to be set up for a few friends to generate income in the form of goods and possibly coin. I am an active guild member I like to craft and will give and take with my guild for the benefit of both I like to feel like a part of the group. but my experience lately has be soured by guilds who say they don't trust members to not rob them, so they don't raise members up in rank to prevent them from having access to the bank. but of course they will allow all members to deposit into the bank. feels more like a serfdom rather than a guild

why do you want guild bank access so badly? people that begged to be trusted are the ones you should never trust.

StormWylf · July 2017

Lpanagosub17_ESO wrote: »

Depressing, StormWylf

I agree Lpanagosub17_ESO.

A guild bank daily withdrawal limit would solve many problems in this area. I believe SWTOR has a decent guild bank system, including the ability to set limits for different ranks. So it can be done.

Jiandao · July 2017

StormWylf wrote: »

Lpanagosub17_ESO wrote: »

Depressing, StormWylf

I agree Lpanagosub17_ESO.

A guild bank daily withdrawal limit would solve many problems in this area. I believe SWTOR has a decent guild bank system, including the ability to set limits for different ranks. So it can be done.

SWTOR's banking system was good. Even in WoW the bank had "pages" which could have different permissions. Both systems had more controls that that of ESO, but there's no system that is completely scam proof other than the GM having complete control. In Eve, some players spent months and months working their way up the ranks to pull off a heist.

More permission options would definitely be a step in the right direction though.

BrianDavion · July 2017

StormWylf wrote: »

Lpanagosub17_ESO wrote: »

Depressing, StormWylf

I agree Lpanagosub17_ESO.

A guild bank daily withdrawal limit would solve many problems in this area. I believe SWTOR has a decent guild bank system, including the ability to set limits for different ranks. So it can be done.

yeah, SWTOR is pretty good, it has a limit, and you can have multiple banks with differant limits. back in SWTOR my guild had 3 bank tabs, 2 where ones just about anyone could take (and frankly it was mostly stuff that if someone stole it'd not be that big a loss. roleplay gear, stuff for apperance tabs etc) we had one officer's only tab, that contained raid level crafting mats, raid level food etc. stuff that was expensive for end game that our officers would hand out

Lpanagosub17_ESO · July 2017

xb1LL_mr_sir_LL WROTE
"why do you want guild bank access so badly? people that begged to be trusted are the ones you should never trust."

I believe I stated my reasons for wanting to be active in a guild and not once did I BEG to be trusted. The forum is for discussion. Being rude does not answer questions or solve problems. I'm looking for guilds I can work with. I do not want to destroy relationships and I find it very depressing that it has gotten to the point where even long standing members are not trusted. I have been playing ESO since the begining and I never remember the guilds being this bad.

LadyNalcarya · July 2017

Access to the bank doesnt make a guild good or bad... Its an issue on ZOS part that guild owners cant set specific rules for bank withdrawals - its either no access or full access. Normally officers withdraw items for guild members when needed, and even though it might be a bit slow, its still better than letting someone rob the guild blind.

Lpanagosub17_ESO · July 2017

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Access to the bank doesnt make a guild good or bad... Its an issue on ZOS part that guild owners cant set specific rules for bank withdrawals - its either no access or full access. Normally officers withdraw items for guild members when needed, and even though it might be a bit slow, its still better than letting someone rob the guild blind.

You are right access does not make a guild good or bad it is the people in the guild that make it good or bad. Which was and still is my point. Once upon a time you joined a guild to have interaction with like minded people. you made friends and helped each other out questing, trading and crafting. it is not the same... now everyone is so afraid of being rob, and who can blame them, that everyone is an outsider and no one can be trusted. So, if as a guild you never plan on interacting with your members, why even recruit except to get numbers to have a trader and profit off new members who deposit items hoping to gain rank.
So instead of saying "where have all the good guilds gone" I should have said " where have all the good people gone" SAD!

Lpanagosub17_ESO · July 2017

please don't misunderstand I don't mean to sound so negative I know there are a lot of good people still playing ESO it has just become so hard to find them because of the fear and that is depressing.

LadyNalcarya · July 2017

Lpanagosub17_ESO wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Access to the bank doesnt make a guild good or bad... Its an issue on ZOS part that guild owners cant set specific rules for bank withdrawals - its either no access or full access. Normally officers withdraw items for guild members when needed, and even though it might be a bit slow, its still better than letting someone rob the guild blind.

You are right access does not make a guild good or bad it is the people in the guild that make it good or bad. Which was and still is my point. Once upon a time you joined a guild to have interaction with like minded people. you made friends and helped each other out questing, trading and crafting. it is not the same... now everyone is so afraid of being rob, and who can blame them, that everyone is an outsider and no one can be trusted. So, if as a guild you never plan on interacting with your members, why even recruit except to get numbers to have a trader and profit off new members who deposit items hoping to gain rank.
So instead of saying "where have all the good guilds gone" I should have said " where have all the good people gone" SAD!

Thing is that if you're super kind and generous to everyone, there will be people who would try to use your generority for their own profit and rip you off. Thats how it works in real life, and its no different in gaming communities. It is sad, but theres nothing we can do about it.
As for bank withdrawals, the system where only officers can withdraw items works for my guilds, I've never had any issues with that. And those guilds are still very nice and friendly. Of course, implementing a better guild bank system couldve been a perfect solution, but with the current system its easier to limit bank withdrawals.
Also, I think that guild rank advancements should be determined by players efforts, not by donating random items. When you donate something in real life, you dont expect any personal gain from it, right? Sure, some newbies might expect a promotion for their donations, but then again, its not how it works, and its not a guild's fault. Friendship and trust is not something one can buy, after all.
And yes, theres way too many horror stories about guild robbery and scammers, no wonder that people just want to be safe. If you think that its not a problem, you could just create a guild with a bank full of valuable items and open it for everyone. I hope you wont get robbed , hehe.

LadyDestiny · July 2017

I don't think everyone should have bank access except higher ranking members. I do think that every member should be able to see how much gold and what items are in the bank though. A lot of things guild members could use things by just asking, but do not know if it is available. Only the higher ranked members get to pick and choose what they will use between them, plus sell donated items for their own personal gain. Only way to check is by the history tab, but that doesn't let you see items or stats, traits etc. GT's are a poor design....

clocksstoppe · July 2017

They stopped playing because of Morrowind that's where they went.

Epona222 · July 2017

I run a trading guild and the only people who have access to the bank to withdraw items are myself and guild officers - having had the entire bank emptied twice, I'm not prepared to put that at risk again. People are welcome to have stuff out of the bank if they mail me or an officer with a list of what they want, they just can't take stuff (or potentially empty it) themselves.

Also as a trading guild, we are there primarily to help people sell and buy stuff and provide a trader, we're not there to help level people or give them loads of stuff - we are a nice trading guild and help one another out, but it is not the function of a trading guild to give free stuff to people or grind with them/craft sets for them etc. It is the function of a trading guild to provide a trader and a space to sell/buy goods. Which we do.

GreenhaloX · July 2017

Lpanagosub17_ESO wrote: »

i got a question... where have all the good guilds gone ? I have been in a couple good ones but for the most part they seem to be set up for a few friends to generate income in the form of goods and possibly coin. I am an active guild member I like to craft and will give and take with my guild for the benefit of both I like to feel like a part of the group. but my experience lately has be soured by guilds who say they don't trust members to not rob them, so they don't raise members up in rank to prevent them from having access to the bank. but of course they will allow all members to deposit into the bank. feels more like a serfdom rather than a guild

I'm thinking a lot (I guess I use this term quite loosely) of players, GM/members have left the game and moved on. Exodus have been occurring since Morrowind patch (well.. granted more new bloods have joined as well, since.)