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[Hypothetical] What would happen if there WERE a global AH?
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Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭10 million units compared to 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 quadrillion items on WoW AH's.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kurkikohtaus wrote: »Additional addons are required even on AH games. Unless you want to be a constant prey to market manipulators, which on AH are tenfolds compared to guild stores.
Not in SWTOR, where there are no add-ons whatsoever, but there is an excellent AH interface. You type the name of the item you want, and up comes a list of every single one of those items that is for sale, which you can order from lowest to highest (unit) price. But the point is every listing of that one item is displayed when you search.
Zos specifically did not want everything showing up in one search. It may take some work but it would offer you some insight into what Zos was thinking when they created the system we have for trading. It will show that part, and only part, of the reasoning is a decentralized system, besides more social, would prevent prices from dropping since it is well knows that in a central trading system the next person who posts an item posts it for less than the previous. That pushes prices lower.
So searching for the lowest price like in SWTOR is not always beneficial due to the artificial pressure that pushes prices lower. They specifically did not want that.Edited by idk on July 10, 2017 1:15AM0 -
Minyassa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I know that I would buy a lot more from other players if I could find it easily and have a good shot at finding the lowest price at the time for it. I have loathed the guild store system from the moment I started playing and I only use it if I'm desperate. I can't help feeling like I'm cheating myself if I don't check out every single guild store in the world to comparison shop, and since I don't have time for that...I just end up feeling cheated, permanently, so I avoid doing it.3 -
Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
✭Current system works well. How much you sell depends on how good of guilds you're in, and your knowledge of the system.
The best guilds (of which I am in several), do take some amount of effort to get into, which is a good thing.
You'll only get enough stuff to sell if you know what you're doing.
Myself, I make 6 figures+ a week easily selling with traders, which is something you have to work for.
It does require a certain level or type of skill to do well with traders, so in that way, it does not benefit casual players or the casual play style which is something I am in favor of.
IMO nothing hurts gaming more than casual play or the casual mindset.
The current guild system is adequately merit based and does not do the casual play style any favors.
Therefore, "if it ain't broke don't fix it." No need to modify the current system.0 -
Kurkikohtaus✭✭✭and besides these imaginary 'Pie slice' owners you refer to if they are the fat cats you fear would lap up all the pies in an instant with AH.
I don't fear anyone or anything with regards to developments of the in-game economy. It is the Anti-AH people who fear an AH.The elite/hardcore traders will be on top no mater what trade system will be in game.
Yes, and an open AH would at least allow the casual player to participate.Never have I seen the chaos described by so many that are against a Global Market in this game. Sure, sometimes the prices are silly, but so are the prices on the various Guild Traders.
Yes. This great system described by the Anti-AH camp is great for THEM, because they have figured it out and are privy to its exclusive nature where THEY, and not an open-market, control pricing.It has nothing to do with supply,demand,pricing,inventory, it's straight up a MAFIA MONEY making venture for certain players. Hence why they run to every AH THREAD to derail it.
I would liken the current system to another type of cartel that has been present (in the real world) for millenia and derided everywhere, except by those who profit from it. History has a recurring example of a small group of people who effectively have created parallels to ESO's trading guilds and controlled the flow of money by dictating who can participate in this activity and who cannot. And the world is not better for it.Another myth is any player has the ability to join a Good Trading Guild That equals 262,500 total trading slots
Agreed, and the finer point is how many of those trading slots are viable in terms of participating in the economy? Maybe 20000? With
My 2 simple fix solution to help make trading easier and more above board is simple.
1. Upgrade the UI to make search function easy.
2. A generic trader kiosk in each capital city that any player can list there spoils. (Boy a lot of broke af Gm and officers when players can't be extorted).actually works well for ZOS as these taxes gold sink to them.[/quote]Current system works well. How much you sell depends on how good of guilds you're in, and your knowledge of the system.
What you mean is the "current system works well for me. How much you sell depends on whether or not you have put the time in to take advantage of this exploitative system.You'll only get enough stuff to sell if you know what you're doing.
No. You will only sell stuff if your guild trader is in a good location.IMO nothing hurts gaming more than casual play or the casual mindset.
I believe even ZOS would disagree with you there, as casuals are an important part of their revenue stream.
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Vercingetorix✭✭✭✭✭
✭The 0.1% of the player base with BILLONS of gold would throw a hissy-fit because their Mafia-Guild-Trade-BS would be over. Everyone else would go on living their lives unaffected and finally be able to freely buy and sell as they please.
Don't worry, though. It won't happen because ZoS is clearly allergic to making intelligent decisions.“Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”2 -
Drachenfier✭✭✭✭✭
✭I play, and have played, a lot of MMOs with global markets: SWtOR, EQ, EQ2, GW2, LotRO, TSW,...
Never have I seen the chaos described by so many that are against a Global Market in this game. Sure, sometimes the prices are silly, but so are the prices on the various Guild Traders. On a Global market I can find stuff, buy stuff and sell stuff. Not even interested in shopping on Guild Trader...
I would love to be able to sell stuff to other players and not just vendor or decon.
But I would settle for a Global Search.
This. Been playing MMO's with auction houses for awhile now, and have yet to experience any of these doomsday scenarios that the anti-AH crowd keep preaching about in here.0 -
StormWylf✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Kurkikohtaus wrote: »Additional addons are required even on AH games. Unless you want to be a constant prey to market manipulators, which on AH are tenfolds compared to guild stores.
Not in SWTOR, where there are no add-ons whatsoever, but there is an excellent AH interface. You type the name of the item you want, and up comes a list of every single one of those items that is for sale, which you can order from lowest to highest (unit) price. But the point is every listing of that one item is displayed when you search.
Zos specifically did not want everything showing up in one search. It may take some work but it would offer you some insight into what Zos was thinking when they created the system we have for trading. It will show that part, and only part, of the reasoning is a decentralized system, besides more social, would prevent prices from dropping since it is well knows that in a central trading system the next person who posts an item posts it for less than the previous. That pushes prices lower.
So searching for the lowest price like in SWTOR is not always beneficial due to the artificial pressure that pushes prices lower. They specifically did not want that.
1. Is your argument then, that ZOS wants higher prices?
2. I give ZOS credit, they tried something different on the AHs. I applaud experimentation in our games. But I believe this system has failed. I don't want higher prices, I don't want to have to hunt around the entire map for a good deal. See discussion HERE for other failings of this system.
3. Having said all that I would be shocked if they change the system. But the argument is entertaining.1 -
Artis✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ok let's cut the BS on why the a lot of the same players (not all) keep running to every AH thread to bash it and say trading is gonna die. (Lots of libtards and dems I'm sure).
So for the avg forum and guild members the reason these players run to these threads is simple. A lot (not all) of them either are Guild Gm's,Guild Officers,Members of a Trading Alliance , members of a certain council and are making huge personal bank $$$ off your Guilds.
Now if you all would like a breakdown of how major Guilds do this, I'll gladly do a longer post detailing the $$$$$ flow Gms and Officers make.
It has nothing to do with supply,demand,pricing,inventory, it's straight up a MAFIA MONEY making venture for certain players. Hence why they run to every AH THREAD to derail it.
Now people in the PC and PS4 Trading community know who I am and that I know how the trading game is played.
For the few people who I refer to as Used Car Salesman that go around looking to buy low and sell high I get why you do not want an AH. But the % of you doesn't effect the reality of the Trading corruption.
Another myth these players tell you ... Oh ZOS said its cuz of bots and gold sellers. I don't know about any of you but there are bot trains everywhere on all platforms. Just take a look at the amount of bot threads atleast the ones ZOS hasn't moved (deleted). They can't fix this problem as it is, there selling the crap in zone chat LMFAO.
Another myth is any player has the ability to join a Good Trading Guild .....really........ 175 Guild traders x500 members is 87,500 total per platform . That equals 262,500 total trading slots with 10 million units sold..... Plz peddle that bs somewhere else.
My 2 simple fix solution to help make trading easier and more above board is simple.
1. Upgrade the UI to make search function easy.
2. A generic trader kiosk in each capital city that any player can list there spoils. (Boy a lot of broke af Gm and officers when players can't be extorted).actually works well for ZOS as these taxes gold sink to them.
I would like to see the breakdown. Honestly, you shouldn't even have asked if we would like it - you should have posted it with proof right away, because without it your comment has no (if not negative) value for this discussion.0