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drake88131✭✭✭drake88131 wrote: »Its funny when people talk about farming for bis gear and they finally get it and you're like "whats your dps now" and they're like "I finally hit 25k!"
Unless you are in a competitive trials guild trying to maintain top leaderboard positions, your gear isnt that huge of a deal if you can maintain a good rotation. And if you are in such a guild and such is your goal you probably wouldnt complaim on the forums about grinding gear.
Throw on some julianos and some will power and call it a day.
Lol so you're better than me and I'm obviously inferior to you because I stated an opinion on the forum. I feel compelled to respond to this sort of cyber bullying people instead of ideas. For the record I am in a great trials guild. I have been a "core" player for some time. With Morrowind the guild is trying to get certain set ups and dps of 35k for core members. My BSW isn't quite hitting it and I want to destroy that dps and I've found netch will work best with my lightning maelstrom staff and that's what I'm almost done doing. It sucked to do this again and want everyone to avoid. But thanks for insulting me. I'm also a fat ugly man in his 30s with a dead end job that drinks in the weekend still. Care to make fun of that? Or maybe my hair line?
I'm assuming you're a sorc (netch and all), and as a sorc you're better off with running necropotence where you can, and julianos where you can't.
Yes sorc. At this point it's my mission...and I must complete my mission
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drake88131✭✭✭Is there really that many mini/maxer out there. Do u really need to have all the right trait or can u live with other 1. Let's say u want your gear divine and u get some impen/decisive/reinforced for example do u feel frustrated. Or ok i want a maelstrom arena staff sharpened would u consider a sharpened staff but from a different set would you consider equipping it in the mean time. After all most mmo out there have bis gear bind of pickup it's nothing new. Best in slot is suppose to be hard to get otherwise it becomes p2w when anybody can buy their way to the best gear.
Hey!!! I absolutely settled on one trait!! My VMA staff is nirnhoned and not sharp... I will not settle on prosperous gloves...lolol
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drake88131✭✭✭drake88131 wrote: »Its funny when people talk about farming for bis gear and they finally get it and you're like "whats your dps now" and they're like "I finally hit 25k!"
Unless you are in a competitive trials guild trying to maintain top leaderboard positions, your gear isnt that huge of a deal if you can maintain a good rotation. And if you are in such a guild and such is your goal you probably wouldnt complaim on the forums about grinding gear.
Throw on some julianos and some will power and call it a day.
Lol so you're better than me and I'm obviously inferior to you because I stated an opinion on the forum. I feel compelled to respond to this sort of cyber bullying people instead of ideas. For the record I am in a great trials guild. I have been a "core" player for some time. With Morrowind the guild is trying to get certain set ups and dps of 35k for core members. My BSW isn't quite hitting it and I want to destroy that dps and I've found netch will work best with my lightning maelstrom staff and that's what I'm almost done doing. It sucked to do this again and want everyone to avoid. But thanks for insulting me. I'm also a fat ugly man in his 30s with a dead end job that drinks in the weekend still. Care to make fun of that? Or maybe my hair line?
Comeon, no need to get rude here.
Both of u have a valid point, the rng behind grinding gear is plain stupid, thanks to deluted droplists. There have been tons of post about it. I basically agree on anything that would help out there, be it boe, transmog, reforge, traitbalancing.....
Otoh, the effect of the sets themself r overrated at best. You dont even need to crunch numbers, to see that:
A sharpened weapon grants more than 5k penetration. The strongest penetration set, namely tfs, grants a buff that stacks up to 5k over 5 seconds, but hey, thats 200!!! more than what u get as a passive for wearing pyjamas.
A precise weapon, gives the same critical rating than mothers sorrow 5pc and leviathan 5pc combined. There is no set, that is even remotely close to what u can get for 100 points into a cp star. There is no set that gives u a dmg boost compareable to the combination of ele drain and combat prayer.
If u crunch the numbers over the sets and their potential effect on your dps...well u figure out that it doesnt really matter which set u r using, and u start wondering why the hell u wasted the time on those calculations.
By flat numbers, netch is 1% better than bsw, but u cant really compare that, as wall of flames hits burning enemies 20% harder, u dont need bsw to proc burning, but the bsw proc works very convinient, as u get the 20% dmg increase, when u also get the spellpower increase. the downside, u can have a maximum of 66% uptime, while netch works all the time, but doesnt work on wall of flames. As the numbers r so freckin close, wall of flames w/ julianos is a valid choice over netch w/ wall of storm and bsw w/ *** uptime. But yet u will find tons of ppl telling u, that <random set> gives u a huuuge boost, and is a must have if u wanna do serious raiding.
One more akward example: On my mdk, i went up against the dummy, when i noticed, that la -> woe -> la -> inhale -> heavy attack until inhale goes off is not a valid rotaion, or even, not a rotation at all. i did an awesome 14k dps. over the next hour, i kept rebuilding my loadout again and again, added and dropped skills, got higher and lower dps. managed to find a good looking rotation i was able to sustain and ended up with 24k dps. I figured that good enough and stopped, also got bored^^ Point is: i increased my dps by 71%, without touching my gear. i did that the next day, dropped kena, elegance and julianos for llambris, julianos and 4xia, dps went up to 27k. That was a 12% dps increase, half of that id blame on being better to keep the dots up and better timing on ultis, also proccing kena over clipping woe animation is kinda clunky, doesnt work half the time in real combat.
i figured if i wasnt to cheap to use spellpowerpotions, and would practise the rota alot (which interfers with attention span xD), swap to fotm race, squeeze out that 2 or 3% from bis gear, i could get to 35k, healers and tank would do the rest to get me close to 50k.
I'm too dumb to talk to you...I have no idea what you just said!! Im
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✭drake88131 wrote: »drake88131 wrote: »Its funny when people talk about farming for bis gear and they finally get it and you're like "whats your dps now" and they're like "I finally hit 25k!"
Unless you are in a competitive trials guild trying to maintain top leaderboard positions, your gear isnt that huge of a deal if you can maintain a good rotation. And if you are in such a guild and such is your goal you probably wouldnt complaim on the forums about grinding gear.
Throw on some julianos and some will power and call it a day.
Lol so you're better than me and I'm obviously inferior to you because I stated an opinion on the forum. I feel compelled to respond to this sort of cyber bullying people instead of ideas. For the record I am in a great trials guild. I have been a "core" player for some time. With Morrowind the guild is trying to get certain set ups and dps of 35k for core members. My BSW isn't quite hitting it and I want to destroy that dps and I've found netch will work best with my lightning maelstrom staff and that's what I'm almost done doing. It sucked to do this again and want everyone to avoid. But thanks for insulting me. I'm also a fat ugly man in his 30s with a dead end job that drinks in the weekend still. Care to make fun of that? Or maybe my hair line?
I'm assuming you're a sorc (netch and all), and as a sorc you're better off with running necropotence where you can, and julianos where you can't.
Yes sorc. At this point it's my mission...and I must complete my mission
Well I'm not gonna stop you, I diehard farmed it myself to test it out.
Just saying you're gonna be underwhelmed by the results
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drake88131✭✭✭Bonus!!! I just got all divines and impen automaton with a sword of the pincer and a sharp bow. I don't know what to do with this set and I can't sell it!!!??? And I refuse to sub now so I'm basically stuck with moving around inventory space to keep it! Joy to me???!!!Edited by drake88131 on July 6, 2017 11:31PM0
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peoplecallmeleo✭✭✭I'd be okay with making more sets BoE, either that or make the drop rate higher. I seriously spend weeks and hours of my life just to farm the sets that I need then only enjoy it for a little before crying little *** get that set nerfed then I have to farm some more. Rinse and repeatDC - Redguard Templar Non-op
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✭So it's either farm the gear I need or farm gear other people need, so I can sell it to make some gold, to then buy the gear that I need. makes sense.PC NA - GreggsSausageRoll2 -
drake88131✭✭✭drake88131 wrote: »drake88131 wrote: »Its funny when people talk about farming for bis gear and they finally get it and you're like "whats your dps now" and they're like "I finally hit 25k!"
Unless you are in a competitive trials guild trying to maintain top leaderboard positions, your gear isnt that huge of a deal if you can maintain a good rotation. And if you are in such a guild and such is your goal you probably wouldnt complaim on the forums about grinding gear.
Throw on some julianos and some will power and call it a day.
Lol so you're better than me and I'm obviously inferior to you because I stated an opinion on the forum. I feel compelled to respond to this sort of cyber bullying people instead of ideas. For the record I am in a great trials guild. I have been a "core" player for some time. With Morrowind the guild is trying to get certain set ups and dps of 35k for core members. My BSW isn't quite hitting it and I want to destroy that dps and I've found netch will work best with my lightning maelstrom staff and that's what I'm almost done doing. It sucked to do this again and want everyone to avoid. But thanks for insulting me. I'm also a fat ugly man in his 30s with a dead end job that drinks in the weekend still. Care to make fun of that? Or maybe my hair line?
I'm assuming you're a sorc (netch and all), and as a sorc you're better off with running necropotence where you can, and julianos where you can't.
Yes sorc. At this point it's my mission...and I must complete my mission
Well I'm not gonna stop you, I diehard farmed it myself to test it out.
Just saying you're gonna be underwhelmed by the results
Do you really want to hurt me? Do you really wanna make me cry???
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drake88131✭✭✭Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »Lemme buy a Maelstrom/Master greatsword already!
Lol you can have mine I don't use two handed...oh...wait...guess I will just keep it and use up more inventory space pointlessly.
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@Dymence , in non-pet scenarios, full shock build, isn't NT going to net you +230 more spell damage though?drake88131 wrote: »drake88131 wrote: »Its funny when people talk about farming for bis gear and they finally get it and you're like "whats your dps now" and they're like "I finally hit 25k!"
Unless you are in a competitive trials guild trying to maintain top leaderboard positions, your gear isnt that huge of a deal if you can maintain a good rotation. And if you are in such a guild and such is your goal you probably wouldnt complaim on the forums about grinding gear.
Throw on some julianos and some will power and call it a day.
Lol so you're better than me and I'm obviously inferior to you because I stated an opinion on the forum. I feel compelled to respond to this sort of cyber bullying people instead of ideas. For the record I am in a great trials guild. I have been a "core" player for some time. With Morrowind the guild is trying to get certain set ups and dps of 35k for core members. My BSW isn't quite hitting it and I want to destroy that dps and I've found netch will work best with my lightning maelstrom staff and that's what I'm almost done doing. It sucked to do this again and want everyone to avoid. But thanks for insulting me. I'm also a fat ugly man in his 30s with a dead end job that drinks in the weekend still. Care to make fun of that? Or maybe my hair line?
I'm assuming you're a sorc (netch and all), and as a sorc you're better off with running necropotence where you can, and julianos where you can't.
Yes sorc. At this point it's my mission...and I must complete my mission
Well I'm not gonna stop you, I diehard farmed it myself to test it out.
Just saying you're gonna be underwhelmed by the results
This assumes you have full set of each already (Julianos/Netch's), or are you factoring in the benefit of not having to grind?
Truly trying to see if I'm missing something here?
Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
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Jamascus✭✭✭✭Well whenever I get a piece, I consider to potentially be decent at some point, I store it.
Got all the ebon, netch or BSW accessories this way, without having to farm. Only by pledges and random dungeons.
Just don't put a hassle on yourself, 1 piece of gear won't make or break you.
And yes : no to "everything BOE"
ESO is already way less restrictive in terms of gear making it bound to your account, compared to other games, where everything is BOP-characterbound
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✭Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
@Dymence , in non-pet scenarios, full shock build, isn't NT going to net you +230 more spell damage though?drake88131 wrote: »drake88131 wrote: »Its funny when people talk about farming for bis gear and they finally get it and you're like "whats your dps now" and they're like "I finally hit 25k!"
Unless you are in a competitive trials guild trying to maintain top leaderboard positions, your gear isnt that huge of a deal if you can maintain a good rotation. And if you are in such a guild and such is your goal you probably wouldnt complaim on the forums about grinding gear.
Throw on some julianos and some will power and call it a day.
Lol so you're better than me and I'm obviously inferior to you because I stated an opinion on the forum. I feel compelled to respond to this sort of cyber bullying people instead of ideas. For the record I am in a great trials guild. I have been a "core" player for some time. With Morrowind the guild is trying to get certain set ups and dps of 35k for core members. My BSW isn't quite hitting it and I want to destroy that dps and I've found netch will work best with my lightning maelstrom staff and that's what I'm almost done doing. It sucked to do this again and want everyone to avoid. But thanks for insulting me. I'm also a fat ugly man in his 30s with a dead end job that drinks in the weekend still. Care to make fun of that? Or maybe my hair line?
I'm assuming you're a sorc (netch and all), and as a sorc you're better off with running necropotence where you can, and julianos where you can't.
Yes sorc. At this point it's my mission...and I must complete my mission
Well I'm not gonna stop you, I diehard farmed it myself to test it out.
Just saying you're gonna be underwhelmed by the results
This assumes you have full set of each already (Julianos/Netch's), or are you factoring in the benefit of not having to grind?
Truly trying to see if I'm missing something here?
Yeah but the difference is going to be extremely minimal, and if you wanna run things like frags or curse it's not benefitting from netch at all.
In all likelyhood if you do a parse with julianos vs a parse with netch you'll not even be able to tell the difference. All top tier sets vary only a few hundred dps in results.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes for the love of all the Divines and Daedra, ENOUGH with the BoP! BoE is the way EVERYTHING should be!PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!2 -
ScytheNL✭✭✭✭drake88131 wrote: »Seriously...I do not care.
Well, I guess we can agree on one thing at least then.Ingame:
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drake88131✭✭✭Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
@Dymence , in non-pet scenarios, full shock build, isn't NT going to net you +230 more spell damage though?drake88131 wrote: »drake88131 wrote: »Its funny when people talk about farming for bis gear and they finally get it and you're like "whats your dps now" and they're like "I finally hit 25k!"
Unless you are in a competitive trials guild trying to maintain top leaderboard positions, your gear isnt that huge of a deal if you can maintain a good rotation. And if you are in such a guild and such is your goal you probably wouldnt complaim on the forums about grinding gear.
Throw on some julianos and some will power and call it a day.
Lol so you're better than me and I'm obviously inferior to you because I stated an opinion on the forum. I feel compelled to respond to this sort of cyber bullying people instead of ideas. For the record I am in a great trials guild. I have been a "core" player for some time. With Morrowind the guild is trying to get certain set ups and dps of 35k for core members. My BSW isn't quite hitting it and I want to destroy that dps and I've found netch will work best with my lightning maelstrom staff and that's what I'm almost done doing. It sucked to do this again and want everyone to avoid. But thanks for insulting me. I'm also a fat ugly man in his 30s with a dead end job that drinks in the weekend still. Care to make fun of that? Or maybe my hair line?
I'm assuming you're a sorc (netch and all), and as a sorc you're better off with running necropotence where you can, and julianos where you can't.
Yes sorc. At this point it's my mission...and I must complete my mission
Well I'm not gonna stop you, I diehard farmed it myself to test it out.
Just saying you're gonna be underwhelmed by the results
This assumes you have full set of each already (Julianos/Netch's), or are you factoring in the benefit of not having to grind?
Truly trying to see if I'm missing something here?
Yeah but the difference is going to be extremely minimal, and if you wanna run things like frags or curse it's not benefitting from netch at all.
In all likelyhood if you do a parse with julianos vs a parse with netch you'll not even be able to tell the difference. All top tier sets vary only a few hundred dps in results.
Meh. I'm a bottomline guy. Just got the dange gloves at 1 am last night. Had a full bsw set up before. Bottomline I'm hitting 5k higher with netches on the dummy than bsw post patch so.....netch is better imo. At any rate that's not really my focus here it's more about how awful that was. I literally have spent just about every free second in darkshade since the patch hit. I'm saturated with mind numbingly boring content. It took even longer to do city of ash over and over. I don't think we should any of us have to do that again ever.
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raaphor✭✭✭IMHO only reward from completing vet trials (golden jewelry / master - maelstrom weapons) and vet dungeon (monster head piece) should be BOP. everything else BOE would only benefit the player community.
A token system (wich already excist in the form of undaunted plunder) could be used so that after completing a vet trial /dungeon you can buy sets that belong to that trial / dungeon for as long as you are in the instance.
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✭drake88131 wrote: »I don't care that a noob can just get lots of gold and buy BiS gear. I don't care that some idiot scum is out there farming it and making real world money off of it or some idiot is buying it for real world money. I don't care that some elitists would be upset. I just want to be able to play my favorite game without spending useless hours trying to get BiS gear...again so I can enjoy more time doing other things. Like...shocker...playing my free time after work on a game I enjoy. I'm almost out of darkshade with all my divine netches but I don't feel like I earned anything. I just feel like the knucklehead that wasted dozens of hours repeating content over and over. Title says it all. Just make it happen ZOS before you lose more than one fun and entertaining YouTuber in Nebraska. Ps to stop the trolls...I have beaten vma multiple times on a stamblade and no I don't care that someone could just buy or sell my gear I worked so hard at getting. Seriously...I do not care.
It's not about grinding. Boe is about replayability of dungeons by selling gear. Kinda like world bosses now. Some people farm materials, other people farm bosses. It's an important economic factor zos destroyed that now renders a significant amount of content, boring.
I disagree with the eccintricity of your post, and make no mistake that I cannot agree with you; I do however want the same end goal: reinstitution of BoE. Removal of BoE drops removed alot of excitement and purpose, and damaged a portion of the game that was obce thought of as exciting and rewarding.Edited by Ep1kMalware on July 7, 2017 2:21PM2 -
drake88131✭✭✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »drake88131 wrote: »I don't care that a noob can just get lots of gold and buy BiS gear. I don't care that some idiot scum is out there farming it and making real world money off of it or some idiot is buying it for real world money. I don't care that some elitists would be upset. I just want to be able to play my favorite game without spending useless hours trying to get BiS gear...again so I can enjoy more time doing other things. Like...shocker...playing my free time after work on a game I enjoy. I'm almost out of darkshade with all my divine netches but I don't feel like I earned anything. I just feel like the knucklehead that wasted dozens of hours repeating content over and over. Title says it all. Just make it happen ZOS before you lose more than one fun and entertaining YouTuber in Nebraska. Ps to stop the trolls...I have beaten vma multiple times on a stamblade and no I don't care that someone could just buy or sell my gear I worked so hard at getting. Seriously...I do not care.
It's not about grinding. Boe is about replayability of dungeons by selling gear. Kinda like world bosses now. Some people farm materials, other people farm bosses. It's an important economic factor zos destroyed that now renders a significant amount of content, boring.
I disagree with the eccintricity of your post, and make no mistake that I cannot agree with you; I do however want the same end goal: reinstitution of BoE. Removal of BoE drops removed alot of excitement and purpose, and damaged a portion of the game that was obce thought of as exciting and rewarding.
You misspelled eccentricity. You've also got some grammar issues with "make no mistake that I cannot agree with you." It's all good though...I'm not the caring type!!!!
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✭✭✭Kinda OT - but I know players gripe about people wearing BiS and have never run that dungeon/vma even once.
Know what would fix that? Character can't equip armor until they have a complete on the content. Every dungeon has a norm complete achievement. You haven't run it, you can't wear it. Done.
Sell it if you want.
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drake88131✭✭✭thatlaurachick wrote: »Kinda OT - but I know players gripe about people wearing BiS and have never run that dungeon/vma even once.
Know what would fix that? Character can't equip armor until they have a complete on the content. Every dungeon has a norm complete achievement. You haven't run it, you can't wear it. Done.
Sell it if you want.
and yeah, I don't care if people are stupid enough to pay real monies for stuff in this game.
I hate to go outside what I want Bc boe is the way it should be but if the devs still got a pole up their butt the best idea I ever heard was this: make lvl 50 crafting matter. If you complete vma then you can decon the item and you "learn" how to make that item (i.e. Vma staff deconed = vma staff knowledge) then you also get a mat off of the Decon 100% guaranteed to make that very rare item (vma mat, trial mat, etc) obviously jewels can also be involved and crafted. Duh. then u can make the item so long as you have the mats with any trait. You can limit ability to trade by making the created item boe.
I stand firm that everything should be boe. Can you imagine this in real life. Someone else: That's a nice sword you got there...me: you like it? I would give u this piece of metal but I can't...only I can hold it..,it sucks...god said so...also I can't give you my cheese or couch....only I can touch!!!???
Me also: oh yeah...nobody alive can make jewelry anymore...
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SirMontyII✭✭A part of all MMOs is the pain you have to suffer getting the right gear at the right time - unless they are P2W, then it is the wallet pain you feel.0 -
drake88131✭✭✭SirMontyII wrote: »A part of all MMOs is the pain you have to suffer getting the right gear at the right time - unless they are P2W, then it is the wallet pain you feel.
Yeah I'm not cool jumping off a bridge because everyone else did...also maybe the reason MMOs are not major main stream yet is because the people that make MMOs do dumb things like this?
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✭✭✭drake88131 wrote: »
I hate to go outside what I want Bc boe is the way it should be
What about my post said it should be BoE? It's not bound if you can't equip it. BoE would be fine then. Those who want to grind incessantly can, then sell stuff. BUT if a player wants to EQUIP the stuff - gotta prove you've run the content.
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drake88131✭✭✭thatlaurachick wrote: »drake88131 wrote: »
I hate to go outside what I want Bc boe is the way it should be
What about my post said it should be BoE? It's not bound if you can't equip it. BoE would be fine then. Those who want to grind incessantly can, then sell stuff. BUT if a player wants to EQUIP the stuff - gotta prove you've run the content.
You're right. You didn't. I was just running with outside the box ideas like yours like where you have to complete content to hold an item. My statement about boe was me trying to state clearly I think any other solution besides boe is inferior but that I understand devs often get poles up their butts and can't see when they are wrong so some other ideas may have to come out as a compromise to this stupidity. I don't like your idea about locking your ability to touch your daddy's pretty sword behind a achievement lock, but I do agree there are some ways to make completing the content still rewarding without limiting those who haven't from also enjoying the game (by limiting who can "make" the items), but you're right you did not say boe. Also, as I said, I don't care if a noob gets my vma staff...especially if I can make big gold off of it!!!!
Also...say it...whose your daddy?
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Crafts_Many_Boxes✭✭✭✭✭The problem with this whole "I don't care if noobs can get BiS gear with their wallets" mentality is that, there are a LOT of players who feel strongly opposed to this. While those sentiments might not be expressed here, there are tons of "old school" MMO players actually playing the game who measure the value of a game by their accomplishments within it. The symbol of those accomplishments is this gear, it acts like trophies for them.
To a degree, I agree with this sentiment. After all, if you can just throw money at a trader kiosk and get the best items in the game, what's even the point of playing anymore? For the challenge? I guess, but if my reward for all my effort is what I already have, it's a huge motivation killer. It's essentially the destruction of the carrot and stick principle of gaming. At that point, it becomes more like an economic simulator game than an MMO.
The proposal here, to them, is the equivalent of making trophies that they won by competing in X competition also for sale at the local gift shop. I can guarantee you that a sizeable number of players would quit outright if all gear, including trial sets, were suddenly made BoE.0 -
drake88131✭✭✭Crafts_Many_Boxes wrote: »The problem with this whole "I don't care if noobs can get BiS gear with their wallets" mentality is that, there are a LOT of players who feel strongly opposed to this. While those sentiments might not be expressed here, there are tons of "old school" MMO players actually playing the game who measure the value of a game by their accomplishments within it. The symbol of those accomplishments is this gear, it acts like trophies for them.
To a degree, I agree with this sentiment. After all, if you can just throw money at a trader kiosk and get the best items in the game, what's even the point of playing anymore? For the challenge? I guess, but if my reward for all my effort is what I already have, it's a huge motivation killer. It's essentially the destruction of the carrot and stick principle of gaming. At that point, it becomes more like an economic simulator game than an MMO.
The proposal here, to them, is the equivalent of making trophies that they won by competing in X competition also for sale at the local gift shop. I can guarantee you that a sizeable number of players would quit outright if all gear, including trial sets, were suddenly made BoE.
As I said VMA multiple times...on a stamblade...on Xbox one...where I would sometimes suddenly teleport to my death....all y'all old school MMO people that want to stick your nose in the air at everyone else need to relax. It's a game bro not a job. Also what part of my post indicated that I care what us "elite" players think or feel. I'm a man of the people friend. Remember they chopped off Marie Antoinettes head for saying that we should let them eat cake!
Also nobody is saying it should be from an actual wallet. Just the pretend make believe gold pouch. You know...that fake thing that you have in game With not real gold on it? Sure some jerks or scum may go for real money but that's not a problem that I care about so long as eso isn't actually selling it. To be clear. I do NOT want pay to win just bind on equip
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✭Crafts_Many_Boxes wrote: »The problem with this whole "I don't care if noobs can get BiS gear with their wallets" mentality is that, there are a LOT of players who feel strongly opposed to this. While those sentiments might not be expressed here, there are tons of "old school" MMO players actually playing the game who measure the value of a game by their accomplishments within it. The symbol of those accomplishments is this gear, it acts like trophies for them.
To a degree, I agree with this sentiment. After all, if you can just throw money at a trader kiosk and get the best items in the game, what's even the point of playing anymore? For the challenge? I guess, but if my reward for all my effort is what I already have, it's a huge motivation killer. It's essentially the destruction of the carrot and stick principle of gaming. At that point, it becomes more like an economic simulator game than an MMO.
The proposal here, to them, is the equivalent of making trophies that they won by competing in X competition also for sale at the local gift shop. I can guarantee you that a sizeable number of players would quit outright if all gear, including trial sets, were suddenly made BoE.
I doubt it very much. If the only reason you play this game is to pay yourself on the back for your accomplishments, and that a "sizeable" portion of the community is into this type of behavior, I have to say the community is better off without them. I play this game to have fun. I understand the need for trophies...but those trophies should NOT be gear....they should be achievements, skins, mounts, pets, etc etc.
Look at it this way:
I hate fishing...I have fished in this game less than 50 times over 3 years, but I can go to the guild store and buy Perfect Roe. The fact I can go to the store and buy perfect roe TAKES NOTHING AWAY FROM THOSE WHO FISH AND FILLET, in fact, it gives those fishers a reason to KEEP fishing whereas they may well have stopped after getting their Master Angler achievements.
In my inventory right now I have a couple dozen motifs from vCoS and vRoM. Should I not be able to sell those motifs? A good part of the reason I ran those dungeons so many times over the last couple of months is because I know I can sell those motifs. There are plenty of people out there that either cant, or dont want to run vCoS and vRoM for the motif pages...I dont mind that they can just buy the extras from the motif I was farming, it takes nothing away from me that they can do so.
I run vMA fairly regularly. I would love to be able to sell the weapons I get with junk traits...or any of the gear sets I get from there for that matter. As it stands, I have little motivation for running that place...it will likely just be a waste of an hour of my time with no reward whatsoever...I will have to pay for repairs, and replace the potions I have wasted. Its like a group dungeon....except no possibility of trading. Its like solo-grinding vCoA1...tedium with little possibility of reward, and once I get BiS stuff...I will never want to go back there because there will be no point. The ONLY thing that would actually give vMA replayability after getting BiS stuff is some kind of solo-pledge with good rewards or to make the stuff in there BoE. As it stands, people hate vMA because its and endless grind for no real reason, BoE would give a reason to grind that place. I go to vRoM, I know there is a chance at profit through motif sales, I got to vMA I know there is no chance at profit, just tedium...therefore vRoM is the more enjoyable content that offers replayability, while vMA offers nothing but being able to pat myself on the back, yay good for me...I have finished vMA.....again1 -
drake88131✭✭✭Crafts_Many_Boxes wrote: »The problem with this whole "I don't care if noobs can get BiS gear with their wallets" mentality is that, there are a LOT of players who feel strongly opposed to this. While those sentiments might not be expressed here, there are tons of "old school" MMO players actually playing the game who measure the value of a game by their accomplishments within it. The symbol of those accomplishments is this gear, it acts like trophies for them.
To a degree, I agree with this sentiment. After all, if you can just throw money at a trader kiosk and get the best items in the game, what's even the point of playing anymore? For the challenge? I guess, but if my reward for all my effort is what I already have, it's a huge motivation killer. It's essentially the destruction of the carrot and stick principle of gaming. At that point, it becomes more like an economic simulator game than an MMO.
The proposal here, to them, is the equivalent of making trophies that they won by competing in X competition also for sale at the local gift shop. I can guarantee you that a sizeable number of players would quit outright if all gear, including trial sets, were suddenly made BoE.
I doubt it very much. If the only reason you play this game is to pay yourself on the back for your accomplishments, and that a "sizeable" portion of the community is into this type of behavior, I have to say the community is better off without them. I play this game to have fun. I understand the need for trophies...but those trophies should NOT be gear....they should be achievements, skins, mounts, pets, etc etc.
Look at it this way:
I hate fishing...I have fished in this game less than 50 times over 3 years, but I can go to the guild store and buy Perfect Roe. The fact I can go to the store and buy perfect roe TAKES NOTHING AWAY FROM THOSE WHO FISH AND FILLET, in fact, it gives those fishers a reason to KEEP fishing whereas they may well have stopped after getting their Master Angler achievements.
In my inventory right now I have a couple dozen motifs from vCoS and vRoM. Should I not be able to sell those motifs? A good part of the reason I ran those dungeons so many times over the last couple of months is because I know I can sell those motifs. There are plenty of people out there that either cant, or dont want to run vCoS and vRoM for the motif pages...I dont mind that they can just buy the extras from the motif I was farming, it takes nothing away from me that they can do so.
I run vMA fairly regularly. I would love to be able to sell the weapons I get with junk traits...or any of the gear sets I get from there for that matter. As it stands, I have little motivation for running that place...it will likely just be a waste of an hour of my time with no reward whatsoever...I will have to pay for repairs, and replace the potions I have wasted. Its like a group dungeon....except no possibility of trading. Its like solo-grinding vCoA1...tedium with little possibility of reward, and once I get BiS stuff...I will never want to go back there because there will be no point. The ONLY thing that would actually give vMA replayability after getting BiS stuff is some kind of solo-pledge with good rewards or to make the stuff in there BoE. As it stands, people hate vMA because its and endless grind for no real reason, BoE would give a reason to grind that place. I go to vRoM, I know there is a chance at profit through motif sales, I got to vMA I know there is no chance at profit, just tedium...therefore vRoM is the more enjoyable content that offers replayability, while vMA offers nothing but being able to pat myself on the back, yay good for me...I have finished vMA.....again
I think...I think... I think I love you!!!! As an aside I stopped vma after I got my nirnhoned lightning ataff. The way I saw it was...meh good enough and not worth it...totally with you on that endless and pointless grind!!!!
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