"I heal, I don't do mechanics"

ArchMikem · July 2017

This just makes me feel reassured that I'm a member of a small society of Healers that actually take their roles seriously, Doing Mechanics included.

smacx250 · July 2017

They probably didn't know the mechanics, and decided to play stubborn instead of look ignorant. Once that decision is made, it's hard to go back.

idk · July 2017

Kurkikohtaus wrote: »

In the specific situation, tank would have had to run from the central altar through several big red circles. Healer was standing next to the steps of the left altar, no red circles barring the way. Only danger at that point was that the lifted DD would die, which the healer effectively allowed.

Dodge roll does fine. I queue for randoms sometimes and have had it happen that one person, of the two others that could move, was not moving. I moved my butt to grab the alter.

You are correct that the healer needs to deal with mechanics, but there is a team of 4 and all need to be aware and ready to act.

It serves not purpose to be on the right side of an argument and the team wipes as a result. It comes down to , do you want to be right or do you want to clear the dungeon.

DisgracefulMind · July 2017

Magıc wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Tank doesn't have to do anything at all at that point, may as well help out so healer can heal, he isn't wrong in the scenario.

But in future you gotta do mechanics once you reach end game, so gotta start some where.

Logic like this is why Mundus got destroyed on the scoreboards & MC forced you to quit.

I'm not in Mundus anymore, but you're really misinformed.

Mundus only concentrated on vMoL last patch, and Mundus' vMoL score for PC/NA was never beaten. So there's that.

MC never had any dictating presence or importance to the Mundus core team last patch. Unfortunately, we have all split off into separate ways, which happens, but there's no need for baiting when one obviously has no clue.

As for the OP:
Kinda silly for a healer to think they don't have to abide by mechanics. It's also not hard to throw some springs down and then go hit the syngergy, so lol.

Jeremy · July 2017

Kurkikohtaus wrote: »

I would like to challenge the healer who typed this in group chat to stand up and debate with me.

The Situation

Time: approx 9am, Saturday July 1st 2017 (UTC)
Place: Veteran Wayrest II, not a pledge (random group finder)
Boss: Malubeth the Scourger, the one that lifts a group member and the 2 side altars must be deactivated

What went down

Malubeth lifts a DD. I (also DD) am on the right side of the room so I run up the steps to the right altar. The tank continues to tank on the central altar, the healer (cp 300+ if I recall) is to the left but does not deactivate the altar and the lifted DD dies. I ress the DD and the fight continues. Later, the same DD is lifted, same scenario plays out. I deactivate the right altar, the healer does nothing, lifted DD dies, I ress and we finish the fight without wiping. After the fight, I ask the healer in chat what he was doing, that he was standing right next to the altar but didn't do anything. To which he responded:

I heal, I don't do mechanics. I was too amazed to take a screenshot, alas. I typed something to the order of "are you serious?" At which point he ragequit (don't know why, as we didn't wipe), and sent me a nasty PM about my lack of intellect, literally comparing it to a baboon's posterior.

If you, dear healer, are on the forums, you will certainly recognize the situation by the thread title, please feel free to come in here and explain why you don't "do" mechanics, why you ragequit and why me raising this issue warrants the comparison that you made. Looking forward to your input and your thoughts on the matter.

If I remember right, the healer can heal the person being lifted to buy some extra time to do the altar. So I can understand what he or she was saying. It would be smarter for the others to do the altar.

So I don't really see the healer's comment as being so stupid. Not in this context. Makes perfect sense to me.

TheValar85 · July 2017

Griffe wrote: »

Ruins of Mazzatun. "I don't go to the blue bubble when I have the red circle around me, I heal."
White Gold Tower. "I don't close portals, I heal."

Oh god you cant imaganie who many times i have suffered the same XD

mvffins · July 2017

I wouldn't be upset about him not deactivating the altar, but I would definitely be upset if I'm the one going around rezzing people. Rezzing is def a healer role in 99 out of 100 situations.

Curragraigue · July 2017

Reminds me of a DPS telling me he was too casual for a rotation or to even use a DoT. I'm pretty sure my mouth hit the floor when I read it in text chat and they continued to light and heavy attack only

Velvelya · July 2017

as a main healer, I can understand both sides of this. For the most part I tend not to HAVE to do this segment of the mechanics of this particular dungeon, because for some reason the person who gets trapped in it is ME. But for the rare times where its a DPS, I usually remain healing.

For two reasons, 1. because I tend to actually be very far away from both altars. (I like to keep my distance from the boss.) 2. The DPS who is free is usually much faster on the uptake then I am. I've never been yelled at for not hitting the altar, because I keep everyone alive and full of stam/magicka through out it.

If i was specifically ASKED to hit the altar after a wipe I'd do it and not complain. (its never happened tho sooo...)

That being said everyone should KNOW the mechanics and do their best to play with them.

Curragraigue · July 2017

mvffins wrote: »

I wouldn't be upset about him not deactivating the altar, but I would definitely be upset if I'm the one going around rezzing people. Rezzing is def a healer role in 99 out of 100 situations.

Nope healer is the last person to do the rezzing. DPS should rezz and if both DPS are down the tank should aggro boss and then rez one DPS so they can rez the other DPS. The healer needs to heal whoever is rezzing they can't do that if they are the one rezzing.

Betsararie · July 2017

That is a disgrace... he's more than likely 14 yrs of age

paulsimonps · July 2017

mvffins wrote: »

I wouldn't be upset about him not deactivating the altar, but I would definitely be upset if I'm the one going around rezzing people. Rezzing is def a healer role in 99 out of 100 situations.

Woot??? Healers should keep those that are still alive healed, NOT Rez, that is how you get more deaths. DPS or Tanks should rez, not healer.

radiostar · July 2017

If they knew the altar mechanic, they should have gone over and pressed E to engage. Pretty simple

Pallmor · July 2017

A lot of times in PUGs, inexperienced players don't know the mechanics and are too embarrassed to admit it. You may have gotten a better result if you had taken a "Hey, we have to deactivate these altars because X, Y, or Z. Can you help us out on this?" rather than assuming that the healer knew the mechanic and taking an accusatory tone with him.

max_only · July 2017

mvffins wrote: »

I wouldn't be upset about him not deactivating the altar, but I would definitely be upset if I'm the one going around rezzing people. Rezzing is def a healer role in 99 out of 100 situations.

Wrong.

Dps needs to Rez each other, tank Is keeping the boss busy. Healer is keeping the rezzer and the tank alive. SOMETIMES I can put down some HoTs and go Rez but that's not ideal.

grim_tactics · July 2017

Almost as fun as running dungeons with a healer that will not attack, only casts heals and stands there until someone needs a heal.

Vote to Kick on anyone who refuses to do mechanics or can't DPS to some degree. If you're going to just stand there in a dungeon and refuse to attack you're worthless to the group.

idk · July 2017

mvffins wrote: »

I wouldn't be upset about him not deactivating the altar, but I would definitely be upset if I'm the one going around rezzing people. Rezzing is def a healer role in 99 out of 100 situations.

With any fight that where a healer is key this is a great way to wipe the group. Anyone who does even semi serious raiding knows it falls on the DPS to be primary rezers.

1. Follow the mechanics
2. Rez dead.
3. DPS

Otherwise there are more dead dps.

Sharee · July 2017

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Kurkikohtaus wrote: »

I would like to challenge the healer who typed this in group chat to stand up and debate with me.

The Situation

Time: approx 9am, Saturday July 1st 2017 (UTC)
Place: Veteran Wayrest II, not a pledge (random group finder)
Boss: Malubeth the Scourger, the one that lifts a group member and the 2 side altars must be deactivated

What went down

Malubeth lifts a DD. I (also DD) am on the right side of the room so I run up the steps to the right altar. The tank continues to tank on the central altar, the healer (cp 300+ if I recall) is to the left but does not deactivate the altar and the lifted DD dies. I ress the DD and the fight continues. Later, the same DD is lifted, same scenario plays out. I deactivate the right altar, the healer does nothing, lifted DD dies, I ress and we finish the fight without wiping. After the fight, I ask the healer in chat what he was doing, that he was standing right next to the altar but didn't do anything. To which he responded:

I heal, I don't do mechanics. I was too amazed to take a screenshot, alas. I typed something to the order of "are you serious?" At which point he ragequit (don't know why, as we didn't wipe), and sent me a nasty PM about my lack of intellect, literally comparing it to a baboon's posterior.

If you, dear healer, are on the forums, you will certainly recognize the situation by the thread title, please feel free to come in here and explain why you don't "do" mechanics, why you ragequit and why me raising this issue warrants the comparison that you made. Looking forward to your input and your thoughts on the matter.

The guy likely rage quit because any group that dies on that boss is likely really bad and in for a hard run.

So he rage quit because the group was dying to a mechanic he wasn't turning off? That is like him going in as the healer, not healing anyone. Then rage quitting because the healing in the group sucks.

More likely, he quit because of the tells he got.

code65536 · July 2017

grim_tactics wrote: »

Almost as fun as running dungeons with a healer that will not attack, only casts heals and stands there until someone needs a heal.

Vote to Kick on anyone who refuses to do mechanics or can't DPS to some degree. If you're going to just stand there in a dungeon and refuse to attack you're worthless to the group.

In all serious endgame PvE content, the healer does no DPS. Their job is to heal, provide resources (orbs/shards), and provide buffs/debuffs.

Now, in dungeons, you can deviate from that and have a healer do some DPS. Or, with normal mode content or some of the easier dungeons, not even have a healer at all.

It really depends on your group and the content you run. If I'm running vCoS with good experienced players, we have more than enough DPS to not need the healer to do any damage, and we would much rather have the healer do the kinds of things necessary to support proper endgame DPS.

But if I'm PUGing a vet dungeon, with inexperienced DPS who do little damage, then giving them buffs would be a waste, and the healer would be much better off providing DPS instead.

Artis · July 2017

Curragraigue wrote: »

mvffins wrote: »

I wouldn't be upset about him not deactivating the altar, but I would definitely be upset if I'm the one going around rezzing people. Rezzing is def a healer role in 99 out of 100 situations.

Nope healer is the last person to do the rezzing. DPS should rezz and if both DPS are down the tank should aggro boss and then rez one DPS so they can rez the other DPS. The healer needs to heal whoever is rezzing they can't do that if they are the one rezzing.

Well, that's just wrong. It's only true in progress runs or runs that are very tough. In good, strong groups - and especially in 4 man dungeons - it's the healer who must rezz so that the group doesn't lose even more DPS. Because that can mean the difference between having and not having to deal with adds (or getting overwhelmed) or mechanics.

Depending on the fight of course. If there's a lot of incoming damage and heals are indeed needed - which is not the case in 90% dungeons - then others should rez. And again, if possible and not too much risk - it shouldn't be a DPS.

elantaura · July 2017

So yo never type anything like " but there dead so your healing ain't working, is it?" Into the chat?

max_only · July 2017

Artis wrote: »

Curragraigue wrote: »

mvffins wrote: »

I wouldn't be upset about him not deactivating the altar, but I would definitely be upset if I'm the one going around rezzing people. Rezzing is def a healer role in 99 out of 100 situations.

Nope healer is the last person to do the rezzing. DPS should rezz and if both DPS are down the tank should aggro boss and then rez one DPS so they can rez the other DPS. The healer needs to heal whoever is rezzing they can't do that if they are the one rezzing.

Well, that's just wrong. It's only true in progress runs or runs that are very tough. In good, strong groups - and especially in 4 man dungeons - it's the healer who must rezz so that the group doesn't lose even more DPS. Because that can mean the difference between having and not having to deal with adds (or getting overwhelmed) or mechanics.

Depending on the fight of course. If there's a lot of incoming damage and heals are indeed needed - which is not the case in 90% dungeons - then others should rez. And again, if possible and not too much risk - it shouldn't be a DPS.

Nope. You got it the other way around. Four people in this thread alone have explained why it's the dd's job.

Curragraigue · July 2017

Artis wrote: »

Curragraigue wrote: »

mvffins wrote: »

I wouldn't be upset about him not deactivating the altar, but I would definitely be upset if I'm the one going around rezzing people. Rezzing is def a healer role in 99 out of 100 situations.

Nope healer is the last person to do the rezzing. DPS should rezz and if both DPS are down the tank should aggro boss and then rez one DPS so they can rez the other DPS. The healer needs to heal whoever is rezzing they can't do that if they are the one rezzing.

Well, that's just wrong. It's only true in progress runs or runs that are very tough. In good, strong groups - and especially in 4 man dungeons - it's the healer who must rezz so that the group doesn't lose even more DPS. Because that can mean the difference between having and not having to deal with adds (or getting overwhelmed) or mechanics.

Depending on the fight of course. If there's a lot of incoming damage and heals are indeed needed - which is not the case in 90% dungeons - then others should rez. And again, if possible and not too much risk - it shouldn't be a DPS.

Only one boss in the game has so many adds that you need to maintain DPS and that is Grobel. In that fight no one rezzes until the boss is down and the pack of mobs has thinned. Otherwise nope DPS is always the first person to do the rezzing for the reasons set out above.

Really no one should be dying in a 4 man dungeon in the first place, but if they do then that is the accepted order to rez. If my friends die in a group run they get a teabag first before they get a rez as a souvenir to remind them to do better next time.

grim_tactics · July 2017

code65536 wrote: »

grim_tactics wrote: »

Almost as fun as running dungeons with a healer that will not attack, only casts heals and stands there until someone needs a heal.

Vote to Kick on anyone who refuses to do mechanics or can't DPS to some degree. If you're going to just stand there in a dungeon and refuse to attack you're worthless to the group.

In all serious endgame PvE content, the healer does no DPS. Their job is to heal, provide resources (orbs/shards), and provide buffs/debuffs.

Now, in dungeons, you can deviate from that and have a healer do some DPS. Or, with normal mode content or some of the easier dungeons, not even have a healer at all.

It really depends on your group and the content you run. If I'm running vCoS with good experienced players, we have more than enough DPS to not need the healer to do any damage, and we would much rather have the healer do the kinds of things necessary to support proper endgame DPS.

But if I'm PUGing a vet dungeon, with inexperienced DPS who do little damage, then giving them buffs would be a waste, and the healer would be much better off providing DPS instead.

This isn't WoW.

There is no reason for a healer to stand back, wait on someone to need a heal, and that's it. Any healer not also doing damage or mechanics in ESO should get the insta-boot from the group. Goes for trials also.

The only time I could even imagine a healer not being able to also DPS is if they're constantly having to keep some guy who is too low for the content alive.

Not trying to be "that guy" but I've dealt with too many terrible players that have no idea what they're doing in this game that the thought of some random healer saying he/she doesn't DPS or do mechanics because he/she is a healer just strikes a nerve.

Kurkikohtaus · July 2017

mvffins wrote: »

I wouldn't be upset about him not deactivating the altar, but I would definitely be upset if I'm the one going around rezzing people. Rezzing is def a healer role in 99 out of 100 situations.

Gotta agree with the above posters, as a DD i think it is primarly MY job to ress a fallen player. Because if the DD stops damaging for 10 seconds to run over and ress someone, nothing bad will happen. But if a healer stops healing or a tank stops tanking, well, you know.

GeorgeBlack · July 2017

Big deal. You wasted your time about a bad eso healer. He's playing; not doing mechanics and you have a setback.
What now?

Sigtric · July 2017

Turelus wrote: »

I think a lot of people go into PUGs expecting everyone to know their tactics but never speaking of them until after an issue comes up.

The healer was being stubborn a stupid, but posting on the forums about it also kind of makes you look bad to a point. Better to just let bad PUGs happen and move on.

Like a baboon's posterior, one might say.

Thogard · July 2017

I'd bet this is a miscommunication and that he was intending to convey that it's his duty to heal and not do mechanics in that particular encounter, which is correct.

Magdalina · July 2017

Jeremy wrote: »

Kurkikohtaus wrote: »

I would like to challenge the healer who typed this in group chat to stand up and debate with me.

The Situation

Time: approx 9am, Saturday July 1st 2017 (UTC)
Place: Veteran Wayrest II, not a pledge (random group finder)
Boss: Malubeth the Scourger, the one that lifts a group member and the 2 side altars must be deactivated

What went down

Malubeth lifts a DD. I (also DD) am on the right side of the room so I run up the steps to the right altar. The tank continues to tank on the central altar, the healer (cp 300+ if I recall) is to the left but does not deactivate the altar and the lifted DD dies. I ress the DD and the fight continues. Later, the same DD is lifted, same scenario plays out. I deactivate the right altar, the healer does nothing, lifted DD dies, I ress and we finish the fight without wiping. After the fight, I ask the healer in chat what he was doing, that he was standing right next to the altar but didn't do anything. To which he responded:

I heal, I don't do mechanics. I was too amazed to take a screenshot, alas. I typed something to the order of "are you serious?" At which point he ragequit (don't know why, as we didn't wipe), and sent me a nasty PM about my lack of intellect, literally comparing it to a baboon's posterior.

If you, dear healer, are on the forums, you will certainly recognize the situation by the thread title, please feel free to come in here and explain why you don't "do" mechanics, why you ragequit and why me raising this issue warrants the comparison that you made. Looking forward to your input and your thoughts on the matter.

If I remember right, the healer can heal the person being lifted to buy some extra time to do the altar. So I can understand what he or she was saying. It would be smarter for the others to do the altar.

So I don't really see the healer's comment as being so stupid. Not in this context. Makes perfect sense to me.

Pressing a few BoLs and/or Healing Ward/Mutagen really doesn't stop you from taking 3 steps up the stairs and clicking the synergy button. You should not stop doing your role because of doing mechanics(obviously unless they totally incapacitate you like RoM hallucinations), and vice versa. When healer gets portals on Planar in WGT, they kill portals while healing. When healer gets red circle on Chudan they run to the caster while healing. Same goes for other roles.

Tank also could've done that, the red circles don't really hurt that much, but admittedly if I was tanking and saw someone standing right on the steps I'd naturally expect them to go pop it.

Pugs are bad at following mechanics but "I heal, I don't follow mechanics"? Lol. That reminds me of that one 14k health dps in vet CoA 2 who proudly said he did not need health in order to do damage and spent the whole Titan fight dead. I know it's possible with <14k health but he didn't have Annulm nor know how to avoid damage obviously - he died within first 5 seconds of the fight to the very first fire AoE and then within 3 seconds after every subsequent res.

code65536 · July 2017

grim_tactics wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

grim_tactics wrote: »

Almost as fun as running dungeons with a healer that will not attack, only casts heals and stands there until someone needs a heal.

Vote to Kick on anyone who refuses to do mechanics or can't DPS to some degree. If you're going to just stand there in a dungeon and refuse to attack you're worthless to the group.

In all serious endgame PvE content, the healer does no DPS. Their job is to heal, provide resources (orbs/shards), and provide buffs/debuffs.

Now, in dungeons, you can deviate from that and have a healer do some DPS. Or, with normal mode content or some of the easier dungeons, not even have a healer at all.

It really depends on your group and the content you run. If I'm running vCoS with good experienced players, we have more than enough DPS to not need the healer to do any damage, and we would much rather have the healer do the kinds of things necessary to support proper endgame DPS.

But if I'm PUGing a vet dungeon, with inexperienced DPS who do little damage, then giving them buffs would be a waste, and the healer would be much better off providing DPS instead.

This isn't WoW.

There is no reason for a healer to stand back, wait on someone to need a heal, and that's it. Any healer not also doing damage or mechanics in ESO should get the insta-boot from the group. Goes for trials also.

The only time I could even imagine a healer not being able to also DPS is if they're constantly having to keep some guy who is too low for the content alive.

Not trying to be "that guy" but I've dealt with too many terrible players that have no idea what they're doing in this game that the thought of some random healer saying he/she doesn't DPS or do mechanics because he/she is a healer just strikes a nerve.

You said DPS in your post. I said DPS in my reply to you. I never said anything about mechanics. DPS != Mechanics. Everyone always does mechanics.

And, LOL, healers don't do any DPS in true endgame content aside from any incidental DPS related to their main job of healing/buffing/supporting. You will never see a healer using Sweeps or Radiant Destruction in a vet trial. Trust me on that one.