So if this is some sort of exploit, and you bought some of the mats can ZOS "punish" you?

I am asking because I am now seeing in zone chat stuff like:

Dreugh Wax for 2.3K in lots of 15 to 50

Aetherial Dust for 23k - 29K in lots of 15 to 100

Turelus wrote: »

KingMagaw wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

They will follow up on things if they're reported in private and enough information is given

Even when evidence is presented to them, most recently the AP exploit which was spelled out to them, was late fixed and the exploiters kept the motifs and such they bought with a temp suspension.

Basically doing Z0$ work for them, while paying them and it is made to feel a privilege when they investigate something.

Numbers are getting lower, closing campaigns, another duping scam would hurt ESO too far, ofc they going to deny this.

The problem is, even when ZOS do something and tell everyone what the actual cause/issue is (like seems to have happened here) people refuse to believe them and make up their own crazy theories any way.

I know full well how the AP thing went down as I was the one throwing it in their face and giving them the information, I also gave them feedback afterwards where they dropped the ball.

This thread shows they're doing better because we had a reply and investigation within 24 hours of the thread going live.

As I said previously if people have actual evidence post it in a PM to Gina/Jessica and if you're worried it won't be seen send them a polite tweet or PM a community ambassador and we will poke them.

If you gauge them doing better by actually responding within 24 hours, never mind any actions taken then i guess my standards must be too high.

Z0$ employees tagged over ~9 months yet to reply in the Cheating and Exploiting thread, a perfect representation of how they are neglecting these issues until enough paying consumers bring it to there attention with definitive proof, thus doing the hard part of their job which is replicating the problem.

Additionally i would like to add this is mostly on Z0$ for rushing out untested content that is obviously wide open to exploitation. Every achievement/Dungeon/Title/Leader board has been exploited, multiple times on some. ESO stopped being competitive when CE was first shown to the sheep and exploiters got suspensions (Should of been perma ban).

KingMagaw wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

KingMagaw wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

They will follow up on things if they're reported in private and enough information is given

Even when evidence is presented to them, most recently the AP exploit which was spelled out to them, was late fixed and the exploiters kept the motifs and such they bought with a temp suspension.

Basically doing Z0$ work for them, while paying them and it is made to feel a privilege when they investigate something.

Numbers are getting lower, closing campaigns, another duping scam would hurt ESO too far, ofc they going to deny this.

The problem is, even when ZOS do something and tell everyone what the actual cause/issue is (like seems to have happened here) people refuse to believe them and make up their own crazy theories any way.

I know full well how the AP thing went down as I was the one throwing it in their face and giving them the information, I also gave them feedback afterwards where they dropped the ball.

This thread shows they're doing better because we had a reply and investigation within 24 hours of the thread going live.

As I said previously if people have actual evidence post it in a PM to Gina/Jessica and if you're worried it won't be seen send them a polite tweet or PM a community ambassador and we will poke them.

If you gauge them doing better by actually responding within 24 hours, never mind any actions taken then i guess my standards must be too high.

Z0$ employees tagged over ~9 months yet to reply in the Cheating and Exploiting thread, a perfect representation of how they are neglecting these issues until enough paying consumers bring it to there attention with definitive proof, thus doing the hard part of their job which is replicating the problem.

Additionally i would like to add this is mostly on Z0$ for rushing out untested content that is obviously wide open to exploitation. Every achievement/Dungeon/Title/Leader board has been exploited, multiple times on some. ESO stopped being competitive when CE was first shown to the sheep and exploiters got suspensions (Should of been perma ban).

Yes, them doing something in 24 hours and having three dev posts in a thread on a single issue is better than taking a week and being told it's not an issue with incorrect data being posted. Is it perfect? No, but this was bloody good on their part considering past issues.

I get that we're all unhappy with the speed and way ZOS handles security in the game, I am too. That huge thread about cheats and exploits you speak of has a lot of long angry posts from me in it. However, I am not going to find new excuses to attack ZOS when they actually do something good. So forgive me for being happy this was addressed in 24 hours.

They even told us what was happening (market trading) and they caught and banned gold seller accounts. I mean, they came in and dealt with the issue in the way which seems logical for this scenario. Yet here we are with people throwing conspiracy theories out and refusing to accept it just because they're mad at ZOS about everything these days.

Any way this thread is just annoying me now as it's the same age old debates and complaints with people refusing to accept anything ZOS does.

If anyone does have video/screenshot/reproduction information on exploits make sure to PM them to Jessica/Gina, if you're worried they're going to be missed in the many mails they get daily then PM a community ambassador with the date/time you sent the PM and we can poke them to get it noticed.

Problem i am personally happening is Z0$ may say they are doing things but not being transparent means they could say anything and do nothing as no results have to be given.


Take the PvP test as another example, they changed around the campaigns, tested but yet where are the results shared with the player base?. Discuss the direction they are taking? (Which is obviously no CP)

Please don't try and justify Z0$ employees not commenting or replying to simple questions they are tagged in. Company has no representatives that communicate with the player base on Cheating and Exploits?. Even to clear up some misunderstandings from players?. Then i am being told they take Cheating and Exploiting serious?. Doesn't add up based on there behaviour shown.


Replying to a forum thread breastfeeding them information <24hours isn't something to celebrate. It should be expected, by my standards anyway.


Banned or suspended gold selling accounts? I know for a fact they have suspended some and dont touch the gold buyers, so i ask you, what deterrent is this @Turelus?

Is it possible this is also why I can't find any Nirncrux after dozens of hours of trying?

SilverWF wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Runs wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

If it is indeed found to be an exploit, can we please get perma bans for the offenders? This 3 day vacation and keeping ill gotten gains is getting old.

Anne_Firehawk wrote: »

They just gonna get a 3-day ban sadly and keep their exploited *** same as the *** who exploited AP

And the people who exploited the banked surveys, and on and on. History suggests that it's well worthwhile to jump on exploits like this, since Zeni will respond with the lightest possible slap on the wrist (a 3 day ban with a giggle and an "oh you") and you can come back after a relaxing weekend and enjoy your I'll-gotten millions.

Then ZOS supports exploiters.

Cos you, RIGHT NOW, can go to the stores (plenty of them), buy OBVIOUSLY duped items for ABSURDLY low prices, and not being afraid to get punishment for this.
And after all screams would be shuttled down, all "I quit" threads are closed, start reselling early bought stuff for any price you want, making millions of gold on the empty space. Or creating consumables from duped mats and selling that consumables.

Lol, ok tell us which Aetherial Dusts have been duped?

Everything is logged anyway, it takes a little more time than "instantly" to be able to tell who abused what.

code65536 wrote: »

The quantities do seem unbelievably high.

If ZOS is standing by their story that there was no exploit or duplication, then the only way it could make sense would be if people were doing a price manipulation scheme. For example, Alice posts 200 dust for sale at a low price. Her accomplice, Bob, buys them up the instant they're posted. He gives them back to her to relist. If they do this a few times, and it could cause movement of the MM price and also make it seem like they sold 1000 dust when they really just "sold" the same 200 dust five times.

That's exactly how a ton of people manipulate both MM and TTC

People on the outside will never know. All we have is trusting ZOS and their statement. Which I don't do any longer because they have shown in the past they really don't care about exploits and the gains (hello survey banker exploit and AP swapping laundry). It's just what it is. At this point it seems to me best to just get as much out of an exploit as quick as you can, launder your gains, and if you're really unlucky, get a 3 day suspension at most.

That said, if you're running a ton of bots 24/7, you should get Aetherial Dust in meaningful quantities. We can't verify how likely that is because ZOS never disclosed the drop rate. I don't really care any longer though, this game is so broken in many aspects.

Going on PS4 NA also, loads of people selling bulk wax/Temp/Kuta, prices have been stable at 8.5-8k for months on temp alloys, and within the last 2 - 3 days, prices have dropped to 6.5 or less, with people seemingly selling multiple stacks. I won't name and shame but a guildie sent me a screenshot of 1300 Dreugh wax in his craft bag. He's a cp210 and is a known beggar in guild/zone chats.. somethings fishy.

Roovin wrote: »

Urkraft wrote: »

Roovin wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Runs wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

If it is indeed found to be an exploit, can we please get perma bans for the offenders? This 3 day vacation and keeping ill gotten gains is getting old.

Anne_Firehawk wrote: »

They just gonna get a 3-day ban sadly and keep their exploited *** same as the *** who exploited AP

And the people who exploited the banked surveys, and on and on. History suggests that it's well worthwhile to jump on exploits like this, since Zeni will respond with the lightest possible slap on the wrist (a 3 day ban with a giggle and an "oh you") and you can come back after a relaxing weekend and enjoy your I'll-gotten millions.

Then ZOS supports exploiters.

Cos you, RIGHT NOW, can go to the stores (plenty of them), buy OBVIOUSLY duped items for ABSURDLY low prices, and not being afraid to get punishment for this.
And after all screams would be shuttled down, all "I quit" threads are closed, start reselling early bought stuff for any price you want, making millions of gold on the empty space. Or creating consumables from duped mats and selling that consumables.

Lol, ok tell us which Aetherial Dusts have been duped?

Everything is logged anyway, it takes a little more time than "instantly" to be able to tell who abused what.

sry, but buying up stacks of 25, 50 or 100 stacks. i am facepalming over the fact, that buyers, known powersellers, really think, they could make anybody believe, they didnt knew whats going on and that its suspicious....

Again,

ZOS looked at the data and nothing suspicious was found

You can think anything you want, but that doesn't make it a fact.

That just means nobody is duping. The far more likely solution is something like hordes of bot trains farming up the vast majority of aetherial dust in the game at the moment, which is in a sense just as problematic. It seems far harder to catch a botter and put them permanently out of commission than it is to catch one singular person who is abusing a bug.

supaskrub wrote: »

Roovin wrote: »

Urkraft wrote: »

Roovin wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Runs wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

If it is indeed found to be an exploit, can we please get perma bans for the offenders? This 3 day vacation and keeping ill gotten gains is getting old.

Anne_Firehawk wrote: »

They just gonna get a 3-day ban sadly and keep their exploited *** same as the *** who exploited AP

And the people who exploited the banked surveys, and on and on. History suggests that it's well worthwhile to jump on exploits like this, since Zeni will respond with the lightest possible slap on the wrist (a 3 day ban with a giggle and an "oh you") and you can come back after a relaxing weekend and enjoy your I'll-gotten millions.

Then ZOS supports exploiters.

Cos you, RIGHT NOW, can go to the stores (plenty of them), buy OBVIOUSLY duped items for ABSURDLY low prices, and not being afraid to get punishment for this.
And after all screams would be shuttled down, all "I quit" threads are closed, start reselling early bought stuff for any price you want, making millions of gold on the empty space. Or creating consumables from duped mats and selling that consumables.

Lol, ok tell us which Aetherial Dusts have been duped?

Everything is logged anyway, it takes a little more time than "instantly" to be able to tell who abused what.

sry, but buying up stacks of 25, 50 or 100 stacks. i am facepalming over the fact, that buyers, known powersellers, really think, they could make anybody believe, they didnt knew whats going on and that its suspicious....

Again,

ZOS looked at the data and nothing suspicious was found

You can think anything you want, but that doesn't make it a fact.

That depends entirely on how you analyze the data, lets say for example that you just ran a query to look at the drop rate percentage of the dust collected against harvested nodes you would expect (if nothing untoward is happening) that the returned information would be within expectations if no duplicating is happening.

Now if a query is made that targets between (for the sake of arguement) seven day periods over the last thirteen weeks you would still expect the returned data to be within expectations as regards drop rates (again if no duplicating is happening) but if just one of those seven day periods shows a huge increase in the amount of nodes harvested then that should set alarm bells ringing despite the fact that the percentage drop rate stayed within the boundaries.

Here is what ZOS said

Beyond that, we looked at how many Aetherial Dust players have obtained daily over the course of the past two months on each server and how they obtained it. There is a possible (statistical) maximum that players can obtain via normal methods and no one has exceeded that. Now, something we are seeing is a few people buying low, selling high, and essentially cornering the market. This is resulting in what looks like someone having far more of a rare item than they should, but when we dug into how they got the items, we’re not seeing anything abnormal that would suggest item duping or an exploit.

Urkraft wrote: »

Roovin wrote: »

Urkraft wrote: »

Roovin wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Runs wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

If it is indeed found to be an exploit, can we please get perma bans for the offenders? This 3 day vacation and keeping ill gotten gains is getting old.

Anne_Firehawk wrote: »

They just gonna get a 3-day ban sadly and keep their exploited *** same as the *** who exploited AP

And the people who exploited the banked surveys, and on and on. History suggests that it's well worthwhile to jump on exploits like this, since Zeni will respond with the lightest possible slap on the wrist (a 3 day ban with a giggle and an "oh you") and you can come back after a relaxing weekend and enjoy your I'll-gotten millions.

Then ZOS supports exploiters.

Cos you, RIGHT NOW, can go to the stores (plenty of them), buy OBVIOUSLY duped items for ABSURDLY low prices, and not being afraid to get punishment for this.
And after all screams would be shuttled down, all "I quit" threads are closed, start reselling early bought stuff for any price you want, making millions of gold on the empty space. Or creating consumables from duped mats and selling that consumables.

Lol, ok tell us which Aetherial Dusts have been duped?

Everything is logged anyway, it takes a little more time than "instantly" to be able to tell who abused what.

sry, but buying up stacks of 25, 50 or 100 stacks. i am facepalming over the fact, that buyers, known powersellers, really think, they could make anybody believe, they didnt knew whats going on and that its suspicious....

Again,

ZOS looked at the data and nothing suspicious was found

You can think anything you want, but that doesn't make it a fact.

its obvious they were goldsellers/botters at least, its always obious when someone drops huge amounts of really rare items. wether its a group of scrapssellers, wether its someone who is able to drop each day 10 - 20 stacks of unrefined material. i am not thinking about a dupe. in the past people got banned for providing goldsellers with gold and for direct trading with goldsellers. everyone of the powersellers of belkarth is aware of what is going on.

Botters are a completely different argument than what is being argued.

There will always be botters and the only thing that can be done is just try and ban them quickly.

People are yelling at ZOS thinking there is some exploit where people are duping these or finding a way to get them super easily...which isn't the case.