Unlimited Aetherial Dust

Marabornwingrion

"Buying low selling high", huh? Well, my MM shows something completely different:

NiclasFridholm

Maybe a couple of the 100+ million guys decided to quit the game and end with some trolling?

Urkraft

NiclasFridholm wrote: »

Maybe a couple of the 100+ million guys decided to quit the game and end with some trolling?

....i love those people pooping at the end of a thread without reading it.

Shadzilla

Have never seen so many in one single thread.

MLGProPlayer

SilverWF wrote: »

Yesterday I've found my very first Dust - from ordinary Jute bush.

Don't tell me BS about hundreds of Dust, collected just by bots, please.

It's not uncommon for a gold seller to have 10+ bot accounts set to farm 24/7.

Elsonso

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

Yesterday I've found my very first Dust - from ordinary Jute bush.

Don't tell me BS about hundreds of Dust, collected just by bots, please.

It's not uncommon for a gold seller to have 10+ bot accounts set to farm 24/7.

Yes. RNG is all about numbers. More time. More accounts. More reward.

I might be farming for Dust every day, but I can only play for a couple hours, on a good day, farming. I don't even spend all my time farming. More than anything else, I farm by just taking the opportunity as I pass by on other business. This is not enough to woo the affections of The RNG. I have not found any Dust in the last 8 months.

Almost every day I play, I pass by botting locations, and the bots are there. If not the same accounts, then new accounts. They are almost always there. They are there in the morning, and they are there in the evening. My one small observation accounts for around 20 bots, and any one of them is putting in 10 or 15x the effort that I am putting into farming. A single botter, running a room full of accounts, can easily be getting 100 times the Dust that a single person could be getting.

Feanor

Well...it's high time the botters make the ciphers available in huge amounts and for a reasonable price then too

SilverWF

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

Yesterday I've found my very first Dust - from ordinary Jute bush.

Don't tell me BS about hundreds of Dust, collected just by bots, please.

It's not uncommon for a gold seller to have 10+ bot accounts set to farm 24/7.

I can only repeat my previous questions, that still has no any answer:

How many bots you need to have to farm hundreds of dusts?
Pretty sure, this will be a big number and here is another question: why such number of bots remained untouched for so long, to allow them farm hundreds of dust?
And, if this were bots, one more question: does this way to obtain ingame items are legal?
If 'Not', then: don't they need to delete all items, that were obtained by illegal ways, unmatter of their current owner?

Just a simple questions and we all must focus only, but not on mindless discussions about bots plague.

KingMagaw

Buying low and selling high is an obvious lie from ZoS as MM data tracked shows different. If they were buying low the odd time then yes some data could be missed by MM but the numbers we seen is too many.

Zo$ has denied duping but admitted to many bots playing undetected for months.

Incompetence from Zo$ either way.

Urkraft

KingMagaw wrote: »

Buying low and selling high is an obvious lie from ZoS as MM data tracked shows different. If they were buying low the odd time then yes some data could be missed by MM but the numbers we seen is too many.

Zo$ has denied duping but admitted to many bots playing undetected for months.

Incompetence from Zo$ either way.

this is not what has been said. i dont know why still pages after still people are referring to that line, even though its clear they misinterpreted it.

Malamar1229

Urkraft wrote: »

NiclasFridholm wrote: »

Maybe a couple of the 100+ million guys decided to quit the game and end with some trolling?

....i love those people pooping at the end of a thread without reading it.

haha you said poop

Balthyzar

Seen players on xbox one NA not only selling large amounts of these items but also offering to sell the secret to item duplication. I didn't take them seriously till I saw this thread.

Crafts_Many_Boxes

SilverWF wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

Yesterday I've found my very first Dust - from ordinary Jute bush.

Don't tell me BS about hundreds of Dust, collected just by bots, please.

It's not uncommon for a gold seller to have 10+ bot accounts set to farm 24/7.

I can only repeat my previous questions, that still has no any answer:

How many bots you need to have to farm hundreds of dusts?
Pretty sure, this will be a big number and here is another question: why such number of bots remained untouched for so long, to allow them farm hundreds of dust?
And, if this were bots, one more question: does this way to obtain ingame items are legal?
If 'Not', then: don't they need to delete all items, that were obtained by illegal ways, unmatter of their current owner?

Just a simple questions and we all must focus only, but not on mindless discussions about bots plague.

This is an interesting question. So let's inject some math into the situation.

From anecdotal evidence, most players seem to have gotten 1-2 dust in the 8 months since it came out. So, we'll say, with ~1 hour of farming / open world stuff per day, one will get one dust every 4 months. Reasonable assumption so far, no? If anything it's conservative, because I doubt most players even farm for one hour a day, and still have those 1-2 dusts.

Bots are capable of running 24/7. So already that's 24x the number of dusts received per 4 month period. So, on average, a bot is getting 24 dusts every 4 months. 10 bots would get ~240 dust per 4 months, but this assumes each of those 10 bots is farming in a diverse area and their farming doesn't impact the rest of the bots.

As you can see, it's very possible for a group of botters / bots to get a LOT of dust over the course of a few months. Now personally, having ESO running 24/7 has to be hell on your machine and your power bill so it's hardly worth it with the prices they're selling it at and the USD value of gold, but hey who knows. Guess bots can run on oldschool machines as long as the game plays.....

Urkraft

Well Zenimax, you did a very very fine job on fixing the Dust thingi. Whole Belkarth can see, how you fixed it, russian goldseller pages show, how good you fixed it.

Awesome job, really, awesome.

Rygonix

One MMO I used to play in the past was prosperous and vibrant. However like an invasive, predatory weed item duplication appeared and took over to the point that even with the dev's efforts to do mass-deletions of items not properly generated by the game, it was all in vain. Eventually it got to the point where they could no longer generate the income required to keep the servers running and staff paid and the plug was eventually pulled, forever.

Ignoring duping once it appears is just like thinking nothing of a rapidly-spreading weed taking over your gardens. Action must be taken, or all will inevitably be lost.

Urkraft

Rygonix wrote: »

One MMO I used to play in the past was prosperous and vibrant. However like an invasive, predatory weed item duplication appeared and took over to the point that even with the dev's efforts to do mass-deletions of items not properly generated by the game, it was all in vain. Eventually it got to the point where they could no longer generate the income required to keep the servers running and staff paid and the plug was eventually pulled, forever.

Ignoring duping once it appears is just like thinking nothing of a rapidly-spreading weed taking over your gardens. Action must be taken, or all will inevitably be lost.

But but.. ZOS said its no dupe!

Rygonix

Urkraft wrote: »

But but.. ZOS said its no dupe!

You're being duped!

S1ipperyJim

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

There is a lot of wiggle room in claiming the drop levels are in line with expectations considering that any result can be from randomness. .

Since software is by nature deterministic it is not possible for anything to be truly random in a video game.

In-game anyone who spends a lot of time participating in so called "RNG" mechanics (like fishing) notice there are predictable patterns and outcomes (such as the exact same rare fish dropping twice in a row, more frequently then should occur in a truly random occurrence).

ZOS could theoretically calculate exactly how many "RNG" drops can be expected over a certain period .

Kay1

Can someone do this on PS4 EU and sell it ffs, I shouldn't be paying 11k each Wax

Urkraft

Kay1 wrote: »

Can someone do this on PS4 EU and sell it ffs, I shouldn't be paying 11k each Wax

Yeah they really should. And those goldsellers then should also make a guild and bid on the most popular trading hubs. Thats cool, bro.

chess1ukb16_ESO

ZoS have stated there is no duping despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary collected by Players in their own time.

I believe ZoS as they have all the right tools to check this stuff out fast!

Problem is ZoS only checked PTS

Urkraft

chess1ukb16_ESO wrote: »

ZoS have stated there is no duping despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary collected by Players in their own time.

I believe ZoS as they have all the right tools to check this stuff out fast!

Problem is ZoS only checked PTS

and how to rip off customers with new crown items. there is an exploit going on, making some few goldsellers rich and able, to outbid big trading guilds (thanks to all those belkarth powersellers, which had not a single active brain cell while spending all their gold on them) with their gold.

Enslaved

Must be duping of some kind.

Feanor

Whatever it is - it sure seems ZOS just attempted to sweep it under the rug quickly. Otherwise the statement would not have been so vague.

Magıc

chess1ukb16_ESO wrote: »

ZoS have stated there is no duping despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary collected by Players in their own time.

I believe ZoS as they have all the right tools to check this stuff out fast!

Problem is ZoS only checked PTS

It's not the first time Zos can't find exploits/bugs. They've been searching for months how to do a specific out of map exploit in Cyrodiil, even asked members of the high end PvE community to test for/with them and still they can't work it out.

If they can't work out simple out of map explits, I doubt they can find a duping exploit.

Urkraft

Magıc wrote: »

chess1ukb16_ESO wrote: »

ZoS have stated there is no duping despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary collected by Players in their own time.

I believe ZoS as they have all the right tools to check this stuff out fast!

Problem is ZoS only checked PTS

It's not the first time Zos can't find exploits/bugs. They've been searching for months how to do a specific out of map exploit in Cyrodiil, even asked members of the high end PvE community to test for/with them and still they can't work it out.

If they can't work out simple out of map explits, I doubt they can find a duping exploit.

Trading is doomed.

Its not only this, they cant find this stuff, they arent able to follow how gold moves between accounts, especially guild banks. The gold which has been earned from the dupe exploit, is still free to buy seemingly, with the lowest gold price ever. I wonder, what ZOS staff did, when they banned the accounts as told by @ZOS_JessicaFolsom - the people still online, still selling the earned gold...and well... its not that i think they cant, i guess they dont want or are too lazy, think they fixed it, i dont know...

LadyNalcarya

There was a thread yesterday, someone investigated the situation and posted proofs of botters/dupe exploiters still being active and still laundering and selling gold and botted/duped goods. The thread has been taken down in 10 min or so. I really wish ZOS would be so swift when it comes to banning bots!
And yet, the issue still persists on EU PC server. The main goldselling accounts are still active.

Feanor

Well. The banker survey exploit was no different in that regard. Everyone kept their ill-gotten gains.

LadyNalcarya

Feanor wrote: »

Well. The banker survey exploit was no different in that regard. Everyone kept their ill-gotten gains.

This situation is even worse, it involves selling ingame goods for real money and botting.

Feanor

I wonder how you can duplicate items though. Items should all be server side and inaccessible.