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GeorgeBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Gosh ... tank doing his/her job and giving up all DPS to do it. Seems perfectly fine to me, just poor opponents not understanding BG mechanics.
A bit of topic, I find tanks in Cyro not being actuall tanks. They sustain and DPS just like DDs.
There are no classes and roles in ESO except healers, ranged, melee.
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✭✭✭✭✭Its not new. I detailed this exact thing in this thread: BGs: DoA?
but you know, look at those votes!RickterESO
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Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Block-Casting is the issue.
QFT. Maybe holding block should reduce weapon/spell damage by 50%. Block is supposed to be defensive, not allow magplars to burst heal to full or magdks to wail on you with impunity.
Blocktards are a problem IMO, especially those who know how to use Mist and LOS properly when under pressure.
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GeorgeBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭For this very specific incident the answer was given in one of the posts.
I would like to see more critical thinking, adapting to combat circumstances and skill usage in ESO, rather than number crunching, metas and rotations.Edited by GeorgeBlack on June 29, 2017 1:20PM0 -
kuro-dono✭✭✭✭GeorgeBlack wrote: »For this very specific incident the answer was given in one of the posts.
I would like to see more critical thinking, adapting to combat circumstances and skill usage in ESO, rather than number crunching, metas and rotations.
BUT THINKING HURTS.
( trolling them, not you )Edited by kuro-dono on June 29, 2017 1:23PM0 -
SanTii.92✭✭✭✭✭
✭You know what's the counter to proc sets? Tanks
maybe if your party would have actually run proper dps sets you'd have got better chances.
Now about mechanics, you just need 2 flags to win domination, not all of them.Edited by SanTii.92 on June 29, 2017 6:18PMWhen the snows fall and the white winds blow,
the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.
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Iyas✭✭✭✭✭
✭Its always the same circle. High dmg builds like procs dominate an environment and every non proc char is building a defense build. Now we have the perma block meta again
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Darlgon✭✭✭✭✭
✭This seriously sounds like someone took a tank build into a BG and did his job. Distracted both other teams from doing anything.Power level to CP160 in a week:
Where is the end game? You just played it.
Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
Where is new content? Sigh.2 -
AhPook_Is_Here✭✭✭✭✭
✭I am glad we have finally reduced the definition of cancer to an annoyance.“Whatever.”
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GeorgeBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Its always the same circle. High dmg builds like procs dominate an environment and every non proc char is building a defense build. Now we have the perma block meta again
Proctard -> blocktard etc etc
Which is why I want to discuss core changes to Eso combat, stats, gear sets.
Eso in it's current form promotes very limited options for competitive PvP
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Inarre✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, please nerf tanks, tank mains already have it too easy in solo content and in cyrodiil. look at all those tanks on the leaderboards.
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IcyDeadPeople✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Block-Casting is the issue.
Remove block casting and the game becomes Elder Dizzying Swing / Dawnbreaker online.
If some 80k health tank is camping flags in battlegrounds, I don't quite see how this is a problem for anyone. Even domination mode you can cap all the other flags. He just wants to waste your time.1 -
JDC1985✭✭✭OP Says: wouaaa wouaaa wu wu wouaaaaaaaaaa wouaaa wouaaa wu wu wouaaaaaaaaaa wouaaa wouaaa wu wu wouaaaaaaaaaa my proc tarded setup wouldnt kill this instantly so I'm mad my cheese was out done by his cheese wouaaa wouaaa wu wu wouaaaaaaaaaa.2
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Tan9oSuccka✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭You know what's the counter to proc sets? Tanks maybe if your party wouldn't have been all consistent of them, and actually running dps sets you'd have more chances.
Now about mechanics, you just need 2 flags to win domination, not all of them.
This. Let him sit there. He's not going to hurt you with the block/meat bag cheese sets.
ADHD will eventually kick in and he'll stray away from his objective eventually.1 -
josiahva✭✭✭✭✭
✭Just another nerf the tanks thread here, instead of actually building to defeat one. Did you have a sorc in the group? If so negate him, use stam and magicka poisons, etc etc. DK in group? Use chains to pull him off the flag, there ARE counters if you care to think instead of just beating mindlessly on a defensive build.3 -
GeorgeBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Block-Casting is the issue.
Remove block casting and the game becomes Elder Dizzying Swing / Dawnbreaker online.
If some 80k health tank is camping flags in battlegrounds, I don't quite see how this is a problem for anyone. Even domination mode you can cap all the other flags. He just wants to waste your time.
Wrecking Blow and such is very easy to Block/avoid.
Perma blocking hurts the game.
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Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I'm always reading these threads chuckling at the people who think block and block-casting abuse is something relegated only to "tanks" - this is simply ridiculous.
Spend one night in Cyrodiil and you will see how easy it is to build for block AND big burst.0 -
Bombashaman✭✭✭You know the more people you have on the flag it flips so if you had 2 people on the flag you would flip it even with him on it.Even then if he had the center flag go capture the other 3.You wasted your time and your team time fighting that tank for no reason.
This. He hits like wet noodle, why care. He sacrifices everything else to be unkillable. So don't kill him, you don't have to.Edited by Bombashaman on June 29, 2017 2:35PM1 -
br0steen✭✭✭✭"Anything that kills me and anything I can't kill is cancer"
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Publius_Scipio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ZOS said they aren't done with game balance. And BG's is new and I am sure ZOS is monitoring all the happenings and changes will come accordingly.
This is an honest and to the point post.0 -
IcyDeadPeople✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭GeorgeBlack wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Block-Casting is the issue.
Remove block casting and the game becomes Elder Dizzying Swing / Dawnbreaker online.
If some 80k health tank is camping flags in battlegrounds, I don't quite see how this is a problem for anyone. Even domination mode you can cap all the other flags. He just wants to waste your time.
Wrecking Blow and such is very easy to Block/avoid.
Perma blocking hurts the game.
I was referring to block casting, not perma blocking.
To be a perma block tank in non-CP battlegrounds post Morrowind patch, you are making sacrifices to the point where you are rarely killing any skilled enemy players. I don't find these super tanks to be particularly problematic as usualy they can be ignored whether in Cyrodiil or BG.
Block casting on the other hand is open to everyone and it is how you counter dizzying swing spam if you are not using immovable pots.1 -
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✭PvP is solved by PVP gear..... with pvp power and pvp defense.. I've been saying it for the millionth time, gear homogenization is a must for successful pvp.
also.. increase bleed strength and let dots go through block. one and done.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Just force flip it with 2 or more people and leave one person there.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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✭✭✭✭✭Can't block cast heals if negated.
Too many sorcs want destro ult glory rather than run a powerful defensive ultimate.2 -
Tr4gicDe4th✭✭✭After reading this post I feel like people do not know what the definition of "cheesing" is.Xbox One - NA
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Mazbt✭✭✭✭In that particular game mode it probably isn't too efficient to guard a single flag with a tank but it's certainly not cheesy. Dying to proc combos and getting killed through shields (including barrier shields) super super quick now that's cheesy.Mazari the Resurrected (AD)- PVP stamplar main
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Koensol✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Didn't have time to read all the posts untill now. Thanks at least for educating me on the fact that you can flip an objective if you have more people. I admit I didn't know that, and it changes my perception on how broken these builds are in bg's.
What it doesn't change however is that fact that permablocking and that it is still possible is just ridiculous in itself. I truly cannot see how people defend this playstyle. I mean, do you really belief it is good game design when 1 sole player, without his groupmates, can outlast a beating from 4 for a full 30 seconds, healing himself with 1-2 button press every time, while he is being feared and debuffed? Just because there is no sorc with negate... Even if they are to be ignored, the sheer fact that it is even possible is just bad game design.
Also, why are so many people assuming I'm running some generic proctard build? Like that is the only possible reason someone could dislike blocktards.0 -
Bombashaman✭✭✭Didn't have time to read all the posts untill now. Thanks at least for educating me on the fact that you can flip an objective if you have more people. I admit I didn't know that, and it changes my perception on how broken these builds are in bg's.
What it doesn't change however is that fact that permablocking and that it is still possible is just ridiculous in itself. I truly cannot see how people defend this playstyle. I mean, do you really belief it is good game design when 1 sole player, without his groupmates, can outlast a beating from 4 for a full 30 seconds, healing himself with 1-2 button press every time, while he is being feared and debuffed? Just because there is no sorc with negate... Even if they are to be ignored, the sheer fact that it is even possible is just bad game design.
Also, why are so many people assuming I'm running some generic proctard build? Like that is the only possible reason someone could dislike blocktards.
It's just when he is blocking, he isn't doing much damage. Useless. Go around him, it's not like he could stop you.Edited by Bombashaman on June 29, 2017 4:46PM1
