ZOS logic - oh, hey...we're not going to give you housing storage because a good percentage of the player base hasn't upgraded their storage (backpack, horse and banking). But you know what, we'll double the bank space of subscribers.With the only improvement to this group being:
-increased bank space
To make sure I understand the situation correctly, I'm going to analogize the thread...
I go and look at a condo or house for sale @ a price of $130,000, it is shown to me and listed at 1300 sq. ft. and I verify this by exploring all rooms, closets etc., I like it , choose to buy it and begin to move in. 1 month later, I come home from work to find a storage closet is now gone. Like, the door is gone and it has been dry walled over. Thus making my home now 1200 sq. ft. and ~1 month after that I'm contacted after multiple inquiries and told that the area was not even supposed to have been built.
If this is correct, then aside from all the legalities of actually changing something after the sale, wouldn't the seller also have to offer some sort of compensation for changing the amount of space offered for x price to a now smaller amount of space?
Note: I did not purchase this home myself (I went with the Cyrodiil Jungle House) but am sympathetic for those who did as this seems like a pile of BS. And if they are allowed to get away with it once, then where will the line be drawn? Aesthetic things like other homes, mounts, costumes? Or Even full areas of DLC/expansions? What if they decide to make a Trial smaller, or even bigger but flip it and say you have to pay more now?
Kind of scary as a consumer, and leaving me not wanting to spend money on anything else regarding the game.
First issue. You dont BUY anything on ESO. You sign a long term lease. ZoS still owns it. If they shut down the servers tomorrow.. no one will own any property in ESO.
As a landlord, I reserve the right to make changes to any property I for which, I own the title. Including removing a closet.
Wreuntzylla wrote: »To make sure I understand the situation correctly, I'm going to analogize the thread...
I go and look at a condo or house for sale @ a price of $130,000, it is shown to me and listed at 1300 sq. ft. and I verify this by exploring all rooms, closets etc., I like it , choose to buy it and begin to move in. 1 month later, I come home from work to find a storage closet is now gone. Like, the door is gone and it has been dry walled over. Thus making my home now 1200 sq. ft. and ~1 month after that I'm contacted after multiple inquiries and told that the area was not even supposed to have been built.
If this is correct, then aside from all the legalities of actually changing something after the sale, wouldn't the seller also have to offer some sort of compensation for changing the amount of space offered for x price to a now smaller amount of space?
Note: I did not purchase this home myself (I went with the Cyrodiil Jungle House) but am sympathetic for those who did as this seems like a pile of BS. And if they are allowed to get away with it once, then where will the line be drawn? Aesthetic things like other homes, mounts, costumes? Or Even full areas of DLC/expansions? What if they decide to make a Trial smaller, or even bigger but flip it and say you have to pay more now?
Kind of scary as a consumer, and leaving me not wanting to spend money on anything else regarding the game.
First issue. You dont BUY anything on ESO. You sign a long term lease. ZoS still owns it. If they shut down the servers tomorrow.. no one will own any property in ESO.
As a landlord, I reserve the right to make changes to any property I for which, I own the title. Including removing a closet.
You are wrong on both counts.
Setting aside your contractual rights, nothing is stopping anyone from filing a complaint with the FTC or their state attorney general, or any consumer protection agency, and nothing in their agreement with the ZoS can prevent agency action.
But they won't. People are sheep. They will complain here and that will be the end of it. That's why ZoS can do what it does.
- Update 23Ice Furnace: This item set now grants Spell Damage, rather than Weapon Damage for the 4 piece bonus
Ha ha ha... Ok.. then go claim your land in Star Wars Galaxies..
Wrong on both counts.. FUNNY.
Getting FTC or States Attorney? They will laugh you out of the office.
And.. no .. i am not wrong on both counts. The tenant does not have to know that the city deemed the balcony unsafe, so I had to remove it. They just need to know that it is now gone and they wont fall to their deaths.
Ha ha ha... Ok.. then go claim your land in Star Wars Galaxies..
Wrong on both counts.. FUNNY.
Getting FTC or States Attorney? They will laugh you out of the office.
And.. no .. i am not wrong on both counts. The tenant does not have to know that the city deemed the balcony unsafe, so I had to remove it. They just need to know that it is now gone and they wont fall to their deaths.
You're not a landlord. Otherwise you would know you can't enter a tenants home without their permission or give reasonable notice to enter.
Maybe it's entirely different in your state. So what state are we talking about here?
We're getting offtrack here guys, arguing over symantics and metaphors... missing the key points of the issue.
If you read the thread, the key points are well laid out, explained and very clear.
It would be helpful to keep the discussion on track rather than letting ourselves get caught up in confusing analogies that don't really help the discussion or situation.
Just want to keep things on track and relevant
I suspect that by changing the square footage of the property, you have materially altered it and while you may have the right to do so, your tenant would also have the right to terminate their lease and receive a refund of the unused portion, no?First issue. You dont BUY anything on ESO. You sign a long term lease. ZoS still owns it. If they shut down the servers tomorrow.. no one will own any property in ESO.
As a landlord, I reserve the right to make changes to any property I for which, I own the title. Including removing a closet.
Not really. I think most people feel these changes should be revisited and improved, not reverted. If it could have been done in a way that didn't materially change the usable space inside the home, why not do that?So let me get this straight...
A change was made in a eso house that was not originally intended.
You guys are asking that since you paid for it that these unintentional changes be reverted...
Have you considered reading more about this and educating yourself before commenting? It was not a secret spot - you could walk right into it. Gina's explanation was that the boulders were placed to prevent access to "an unplayable area outside of the home" but the problem was that they clobbered space inside the home too.You can remote retrieve the furnished items. This spot was not intended to be sold as a secret hang out spot in the house. You all need to move on.
Again with the telling people what to do... Why comment here if you have only negative things to say? I'm just trying to offer constructive solutions. You're trying to shut everyone up.That is the thing. It was not intended. No access was to be given to said space whether or not one could simply walk I to it.
They removed the access. Its over deal with it.
That is the thing. It was not intended. No access was to be given to said space whether or not one could simply walk I to it.
They removed the access. Its over deal with it.
That is the thing. It was not intended. No access was to be given to said space whether or not one could simply walk I to it.
They removed the access. Its over deal with it.
You must not have read the thread and looked at all the pretty pictures. They didnt just wall of a small area. They took a large portion of it in some areas.
You can remote retrieve the furnished items. This spot was not intended to be sold as a secret hang out spot in the house. You all need to move on.
So let me get this straight...
A change was made in a eso house that was not originally intended.
You guys are asking that since you paid for it that these unintentional changes be reverted
Because they did not send a written letter stating such?
By that logic I hereby request all bugs that were in the game put back in place all exploits all gold farms all skill point cheats place back as they were...
Because it was in the original game that I purchased.
Not really. I think most people feel these changes should be revisited and improved, not reverted. If it could have been done in a way that didn't materially change the usable space inside the home, why not do that?So let me get this straight...
A change was made in a eso house that was not originally intended.
You guys are asking that since you paid for it that these unintentional changes be reverted...
ZOS likes selling things in the crown store. People buy expecting their item(s) to remain substantially the same as when they were purchased. A precedent like this, where people drop $100+ on housing and then end up surprised when they lose space that they had been using and had furnished, is not good for business. It's a trust thing.
That is the thing. It was not intended. No access was to be given to said space whether or not one could simply walk I to it.
They removed the access. Its over deal with it.
You must not have read the thread and looked at all the pretty pictures. They didnt just wall of a small area. They took a large portion of it in some areas.
Good. It was not intended.