78k Tank.. It does exist.. but how?!!

IlCanis_LupuslI · June 2017

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Ok, so, this is sort of a spin-off from another OP's recent thread on DK tank, which another posted within that the current META, particularly for vMoL, for a tank is 78-80k hp. I didn't really call bull-shite, but couldn't really believe that such a high hp tank can exist. I do have a tank which was around 60k when that thread was posted, then seeing the reply of how a 78-80k hp tank have been going at it in vMoL (as what were said), I was intrigued to see what are aiding and pushing a tank to that higher health level. So, redoing and tweaking my tank a bit, I am now about to push it to 66k, where it is currently at. Now, this is with 5x Plaque Doctor and 5x Green Pact with two monster pieces that boost 1800 or so max health.; 3 armor (including the Plaque shield) are gold and the rest are still purple. I'm not ready to drop 40 Temps to gold the rest yet. All are reinforced, except for the two monster pieces which are infused. All are gold health enchants for the armors and gold health recovery for the jewelries, and the Lord mundus.

Now, this is my "show" tank, because all other attributes are low and, to me, practically crap. I haven't tank any trial yet with this, but have a lot on world bosses and a few dungeons. Even though this tank is virtually indestructible, I still find a challenge to maintain the blocking, because the stamina pool is so low; particularly, when the dps toons are putting out mediocre damages and I would have to tank a bit longer. Essentially, the longer you have to block, the more stamina are being used up, and since most of recovery are in health recovery, it is a bit daunting waiting for the stam to regen. When you aggro with the Puncture or Pierce Armor, it uses stam. So, with blocking and this aggro, stam are being depleted fast. I don't really use majicka-based aggro. Hell, my majicka pool is even lower. I have to reserve that for Igneous and/or Hardened Armor. Yes, you can pop a portion here and there and use the ultimate to regain some stam and majicka back. Even when my stam are depleted from blocking and I am knocked down by the boss's attacks or getting hit by the aoe, my hp is barely being scratched. So, I'm not worried about my health bar. I can also throw up the Igneous Shield and then wait out for the stam to regen to resume blocking.

So, thinking I have achieved what a tank can truly achieved in health points. Christ, I have my duel option set at auto-declined, because when I roll around with this tank, I get a lot of folks pinging me for either a duel or want to group. Ha ha. Then, all of a sudden (yesterday evening of gameplay), I couldn't believe my eyes. I saw a glimpse of what appeared to be 78k health bar. I thought it was an NPC. I then confirmed it was another tank toon. So, I've seen it with my own eyes; a 78-80k hp tank do exist.. but, how?!! I have seemingly pushed the limit of all health add-ons, armor combos, enchants and whatnot to get it to 66k. If I gold out the remaining 5 pieces, I'll probably hit 68k hp. Even if I go all out infused, I'll probably hit 69 or possibly 70k.. but damn, that tank is 12k more hp than mine. How the hell do you get "12k" more hp?!! It is inconceivably mind-boggling right now. I haven't found any clip on youtube yet on it, or is there any mentioned about it yet via article, thread or posting on the build.

My Tank has 67k hp, 18k magica and 20k stamina, of i put Everything in Health im guessing that 70l hp or more should be possible

GreenhaloX · June 2017

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

techprince wrote: »

The real question is... why?

Damn, the stam toons have already been nerfed to crap, and I’m still shell-shocked.

Stamina are doing pretty well this patch actually.

@IzakiBrotherSs, ha ha. No, man.. not in my neck of the wood. Are you on PC? If so, things must be better for stam toons on PC, then. If I didn't mention it, but I'm sure I did, I'm talking about on console (particularly, I am on PS4.) Patch update for PS4 is this upcoming week (yeah, great..) As in my starter post, I'm not making those nerfed numbers up or blowing hot air. I was looking at my skills screen as I wrote down those nerfed numbers, and all my CP (all 600 of it) are still in its slotted spots within the champion tree. So, I'm not sure what the hell you're talking about that "Stamina are doing pretty well this patch actually." Wtf?!

IlCanis_LupuslI · June 2017

Medakon wrote: »

70k-80k? Dude.. Im like 90-100k buffed..

Without PvP buffs.....without Warhorn.....

GreenhaloX · June 2017

Tasear wrote: »

Imperial race
Equilberium
Lord Mundus
Infused gear
64 points in health
Aylied well
10% toughness from wardens

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Arrgo fire and punture you just balance between the two
Block only when you need to... you aren't a rock nor wall

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hehe, wasn't I the one who said this was the easiest way to do tanking now

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/alanarres-invincible-dk-shieldtank/

@Tasear, thanks for the link. I took a look at it and is insightful. My build seems to match somewhat with Alannare's. It's good someone like him (or her; not sure what gender Alannare is) had put that post together. Very good guide for new folks. I did played around with Ebon and other HA sets, but so far, to what I can see, Plaque and Green Pact are what is giving more hp. Plus, with my current DK's Igneous Shield throwing for nearby 3-4 allies, I'm fine with that over Ebon. For the rest, that's why there are two healers for a trial group. Ha ha. Anyways, yeah, I didn't think about plusing up Bastion. Yes, boosting the numbers on there would get that 30k Bone Shield for the DK tank. Also, since mine is more of a stam-based DK tank, let me play around with the werewolf thing. I'm not much of a vamp guy in ESO, though. Also, yes, I switch from the Spell Ward ultimate to Magna Shell. I seem to like the Magna better since it reduced incoming damage and gives that damage shield to nearby allies.

Well, again, I'm not an expert at tanking. I actually just started my two tank toons about a month ago. However, after rolling around through different world bosses and soloing it at times, I still don't know about that concept of not having to block thing. Maybe it is that in trials, since I haven't tank in a trial yet. However, after running into dudes like Rage Claw, that Minotaur boss in the Gold Coast or that boss at the Valeguard tower in Rivenspire, for example, they will either knock you down, roll right through you or shred through your shield, if you're not blocking. Heck, with Rage Claw (as I had mentioned in a post prior to this), I went at him sololy, and he and his minions were still shredding through my Igneous and blocking. So, just standing there with just the Igneous up will not cut it there.

You know what.. I do have two tanks. I may just have to build one focused on trials and the other for romping through PvE land. Again, thanks for the insight and link; appreciated it. That helped some. Although, Alannare's post not to a T for my expectation, it provided some additional insights.

GreenhaloX · June 2017

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

My Tank has 67k hp, 18k magica and 20k stamina, of i put Everything in Health im guessing that 70l hp or more should be possible

Hey, I'm right there with you (except your mag is a few ks more than what I have.) With Entrophy, I'm actually currently sitting at 68.5k; that's a couple ks more than I had before. Even then, with tougher bosses while soloing, I would have to switch out Entrophy and put back in the Burning Embers. I'm just trying to see how I can push it into the mid-70k, at least, without buff as War Horn or Ayleid Well. Of course, with those, I'd be in the higher 70k bracket. Particularly, with some boasting that their tank is in the 100k. I'm not sure if those were just empty bragging or blowing smoke. Unless I drop the 40 temps needed to gold up my remaining 5 armor pieces and go all-out infused, I can't see any other way, right now, to add on more hp. Even if I do that, I think I'd maybe get up to 71 or 72k. hmmm

Reorx_Holybeard · June 2017

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

Medakon wrote: »

70k-80k? Dude.. Im like 90-100k buffed..

Without PvP buffs.....without Warhorn.....

The max health builds I can get are:

78.5k Health (DK, Green/Plague, Green Food)
84.3k with Warhorn
85.3k in Cyrodiil
90.0k with Warhorn and Ayleid Health Bonus (from Craglorn, assuming this is possible)
91.6k with Warhorn in Cyrodiil
132.4k Emperor in Cyrodiil
138.7k Emperor with Warhorn in Cyrodiil

This is of course all theoretical from our build editor (http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildEditor) but seems to match actual builds very well.

Izaki · June 2017

GreenhaloX wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

techprince wrote: »

The real question is... why?

Damn, the stam toons have already been nerfed to crap, and I’m still shell-shocked.

Stamina are doing pretty well this patch actually.

@IzakiBrotherSs, ha ha. No, man.. not in my neck of the wood. Are you on PC? If so, things must be better for stam toons on PC, then. If I didn't mention it, but I'm sure I did, I'm talking about on console (particularly, I am on PS4.) Patch update for PS4 is this upcoming week (yeah, great..) As in my starter post, I'm not making those nerfed numbers up or blowing hot air. I was looking at my skills screen as I wrote down those nerfed numbers, and all my CP (all 600 of it) are still in its slotted spots within the champion tree. So, I'm not sure what the hell you're talking about that "Stamina are doing pretty well this patch actually." Wtf?!

I'm on console and PC, and due to the fact that Morrowind is already out on PC, I kinda consider that its "this patch". And stamina are doing pretty well in Morrowind.

GreenhaloX · June 2017

Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

Medakon wrote: »

70k-80k? Dude.. Im like 90-100k buffed..

Without PvP buffs.....without Warhorn.....

The max health builds I can get are:
78.5k Health (DK, Green/Plague, Green Food)

84.3k with Warhorn

85.3k in Cyrodiil

90.0k with Warhorn and Ayleid Health Bonus (from Craglorn, assuming this is possible)

91.6k with Warhorn in Cyrodiil

132.4k Emperor in Cyrodiil

138.7k Emperor with Warhorn in Cyrodiil

This is of course all theoretical from our build editor (http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildEditor) but seems to match actual builds very well.

@Reorx_Holybeard, good info. Thank you. It is funny though. I'll been at this game quite regularly, for a bit over a year and half now, and I've never known that EsoBuildEditor existed. Ha ha. Although, I have put in a lot of game time, I still consider myself to be a casual player for ESO. I'm not too competitive; don't care much about leaders board, nor have to beat vMoL HM, or must have Flawless Conqueror or Emperor, or need to have every single skins; however, kudos for those that do. Those are some parts of what ESO is about. So, being such a casual player, it would be common or natural for me not to be aware that something like the build editor exists. Ha ha. I appreciate you sharing that link. Interesting as ESO can be and that build editor just astounds me. It is too technical for a casual player like me, however. Is this still a game?! Ha ha. That build editor just looks like something from work. It's too much for me. I still like to think of ESO as just another video game. Ha ha.

Ok, that is quite impressive that your tank is up to 78.5 non-buffed. I am right now sitting at 70k flat out with my DK tank, with blue food. I have to also spike up my low arse stamina. So, yeah, no green food. So far, for PS4, I've not seen another tank running around in the 70s, aside from that 78k tank I recently saw in Mournhold, and now, mine just hit the 70k mark. I'm still looking to see what else I can do to push mine close to your tank, non-buff. I'm not too focused on Cyrodiil or Emperorship, so I'd be fine without hitting 100 or 130k.. but, damn that is also impressive. I'm actually gathering up the infused pieces and refining to get more temps. So, yeah, the only other way I can see right now to get into the 75k range (without War Horn or Ayleid Well) is to infuse and gold out all armor pieces. Well, with just the Ayleid Well, I'm hitting 75k, but it is just too temporary. Again, thanks for the info; very insightful.. appreciated it.

LadyLavina · June 2017

edit: deleted, realized I went off on an irritating ramble that doesn't simply showcase my own build, but kind of incites others.

xblackroxe · June 2017

@LadyLavina

Why would you ever run chudan. That buff is so ez to get there are far better options out there.

LadyLavina · June 2017

xblackroxe wrote: »

@LadyLavina

Why would you ever run chudan. That buff is so ez to get there are far better options out there.

@xblackroxe basically so I don't have to cast anything to get it or rely on someone else lol

xblackroxe · June 2017

LadyLavina wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

@LadyLavina

Why would you ever run chudan. That buff is so ez to get there are far better options out there.

@xblackroxe basically so I don't have to cast anything to get it or rely on someone else lol

Doesnt make sense tho you run balance for sustain already anyways. At least you should. So you also use tri stat food instead.

LadyLavina · June 2017

xblackroxe wrote: »

LadyLavina wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

@LadyLavina

Why would you ever run chudan. That buff is so ez to get there are far better options out there.

@xblackroxe basically so I don't have to cast anything to get it or rely on someone else lol

Doesnt make sense tho you run balance for sustain already anyways. At least you should. So you also use tri stat food instead.

@xblackroxe that is...actually a really interesting way of putting it. I shall experiment with this. thank you friend

GreenhaloX · June 2017

LadyLavina wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

LadyLavina wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

@LadyLavina

Why would you ever run chudan. That buff is so ez to get there are far better options out there.

@xblackroxe basically so I don't have to cast anything to get it or rely on someone else lol

Doesnt make sense tho you run balance for sustain already anyways. At least you should. So you also use tri stat food instead.

@xblackroxe that is...actually a really interesting way of putting it. I shall experiment with this. thank you friend

Ehh, what I miss? What happened? Chudan.. oh, what, why, oh ok, nevermind. Ha ha

So, essentially, it's not a question of a tank's effectiveness or its ability to sustain. A tank doesn't have to be 60 or 80k to be effective. Any tank with a bit of health and the other attributes are not too lacking, you can tank for any group; granted, given the dps are actually putting out the damages. A tank is otherwise not so effective if others can't dps. Quite a few times while tanking (in PvE land) I had to switch to dps mode because the other toons are seemingly making little progress on denting the boss and/or adds. That's why I also have the other 40k hp hybrid dps/tank. I can tank or switch to dps mode at will. Lord help us, in PvE land, there are just a lot of dudes that cannot dps or just spam light bow shots. Even with my 70k hp tank, I had to switch over the 2h/greatsword backbar skillset more times than a tank would normally. Ha ha.. haaaaa *sigh*..

For a tank, skill-wise, you really only need to slot Piecing Armor, and/or Inner Fire, Absorb Magic or Defensive Stance, Igneous Shield for DK or Blazing Shield for Tamplar, and a buff thing like Hardened Armor or Rune Focus. With those skills/abilities, a 30k hp tank will still be effective. Again, my other 40k hp tank fairs just fine, and with 30somethingk stam, it doesn't have much issue tanking. If you're really want to get into resource management, try soloing Rage Claw in East March with your tank, if you haven't yet. Oh yeah, soloing him and his minions for about 10 minutes or so, all the while continuously popping portions, Igneous and Magna Shell. Heck, I even had to regularly pop over to the backbar to throw up Rally for health regen. Fun times.. Then, you would know that, even a 70k hp, tank is not so indestructible. Ha ha.

For this 70k tank, it is way more than effective. It has since become a matter of the shield and damages or spell mitigation. Since this tank is still fairly new and still in the leveling mode, I don't have the Bone Shield unlocked yet. However, I don't think I would even need to slot that, for regular PvE land bosses, soloing of not, or for a vet dungeon. Perhaps, that bone shield may be more beneficial in a HM vet trial when stacking it with the Igneous or Blazing Shield. Having your Igneous at 10k (and more) and you can also drop that on nearby allies, that is a hell of wipe saver. I'm tanking a boss and those nearby allies' health are almost depleted (not that the healer is not doing its job), and I throw on the Igneous to wrap around them, they seemingly become virtually indestructible for the timespan. I also slot the Magna Shell as my ultimate, and that also adds to the benefit of nearby allies.

So, practically, wanting to push the limit on hp for this giant of a tank, I want to see what the max hp I can throw on, without buff, as well as how high I can get the Igneous Shield to. Unless, freaking somehow this gets nerfed, like all kinds of other crap, a 70-80 hp (or possibly higher) tank will be more of a common sighting running around in PvE land. Like I had mentioned, seeing a tank in the 70k range running around in not so common. Currently, what's common is tanks in the 30-50k range. Heck, personally, I only have seen a few 65k tanks around, in any part of Tamriel, PvE-wise and via console/PS4. I'm not sure if there are other 70kish tanks, but they haven't brought it out to the public. Heck, even when I was doing trials as a dps, I've never seen a tank in any of my groups that was over 50k.. and there have been a lot of group runs. So, yes, soon, I'm sure it will be a common sight to see more tanks in the 70ks running around.

Supportic · June 2017

RIP shields

todays patch notes

GreenhaloX · June 2017

Supportic wrote: »

RIP shields todays patch notes

Somebody's arse needs to get rip.. ha ha. Oh shite, is this thread gonna be locked now.. *sigh*.. RIP for this thread..

Jimbullbee85 · June 2017

Got 79K health on a Blazpler Imperial tank. Using plague doctor, green pact, x1 scoria x1 bogdan. Have entropy on both bars. Mag recovery on jewelry. Gonna try similar setup with a DK.

Dubhliam · June 2017

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

Got 79K health on a Blazpler Imperial tank. Using plague doctor, green pact, x1 scoria x1 bogdan. Have entropy on both bars. Mag recovery on jewelry. Gonna try similar setup with a DK.

Necro aside, please don't be a pleb.
Use block cost reduction on jewelry.

I had a guy trying a similar thing with his "invincible Blazplar".
He could not survive a single "thousand cuts" attack from The Warrior in Hel Ra.
On normal difficulty.

paulsimonps · June 2017

Dubhliam wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

Got 79K health on a Blazpler Imperial tank. Using plague doctor, green pact, x1 scoria x1 bogdan. Have entropy on both bars. Mag recovery on jewelry. Gonna try similar setup with a DK.

Necro aside, please don't be a pleb.
Use block cost reduction on jewelry.

I had a guy trying a similar thing with his "invincible Blazplar".
He could not survive a single "thousand cuts" attack from The Warrior in Hel Ra.
On normal difficulty.

Then again blazeplars are not really for Trials now are they. And so as long as his build is not for Trials I see no problems with not having block cost reduction glyphs on.

Dubhliam · June 2017

paulsimonps wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

Got 79K health on a Blazpler Imperial tank. Using plague doctor, green pact, x1 scoria x1 bogdan. Have entropy on both bars. Mag recovery on jewelry. Gonna try similar setup with a DK.

Necro aside, please don't be a pleb.
Use block cost reduction on jewelry.

I had a guy trying a similar thing with his "invincible Blazplar".
He could not survive a single "thousand cuts" attack from The Warrior in Hel Ra.
On normal difficulty.

Then again blazeplars are not really for Trials now are they. And so as long as his build is not for Trials I see no problems with not having block cost reduction glyphs on.

That was the whole problem.
People see a build gives results in some aspect of the game (PvP), and suddenly they think the build is invincible.

I thought... hey... it's a normal trial. What can possibly go wrong?