Maelstrom BiS after Morrowind

peoplecallmeleo · June 2017

What is the new BiS for Maelstrom after the Morrowind patch? I was thinking Scathing and Seducer or Lich

code65536 · June 2017

Scathing is a poor choice for vMA. It will often proc as you're killing a target, and then much of the proc is wasted to the downtime as you switch to another target. (And if you are a sorc as your signature suggests, Scathing is not a good choice for you in general.)

vMA hasn't really changed this patch. Use the same gear you used before, except swap one jewelry enchant to recovery.

Marabornwingrion · June 2017

code65536 wrote: »

Scathing is a poor choice for vMA. It will often proc as you're killing a target, and then much of the proc is wasted to the downtime as you switch to another target. (And if you are a sorc as your signature suggests, Scathing is not a good choice for you in general.)

vMA hasn't really changed this patch. Use the same gear you used before, except swap one jewelry enchant to recovery.

I was yesterday in vMA with scathing mage on my magblade and it wasn't so bad.

On my magsorc I'm still using necropotence like before the patch and it works very well in vMA.

SanTii.92 · June 2017

Ya, scathing is bis on mag nb, but not on anyone else.

peoplecallmeleo · June 2017

code65536 wrote: »

Scathing is a poor choice for vMA. It will often proc as you're killing a target, and then much of the proc is wasted to the downtime as you switch to another target. (And if you are a sorc as your signature suggests, Scathing is not a good choice for you in general.)

vMA hasn't really changed this patch. Use the same gear you used before, except swap one jewelry enchant to recovery.

So you're saying 5 BSW, 4 Moondancer and 2 Grothdar or Ilambris is still fine

Zer0oo · June 2017

Go full damage since the faster you kill it the less mag you need.

Drummerx04 · June 2017

peoplecallmeleo wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Scathing is a poor choice for vMA. It will often proc as you're killing a target, and then much of the proc is wasted to the downtime as you switch to another target. (And if you are a sorc as your signature suggests, Scathing is not a good choice for you in general.)

vMA hasn't really changed this patch. Use the same gear you used before, except swap one jewelry enchant to recovery.

So you're saying 5 BSW, 4 Moondancer and 2 Grothdar or Ilambris is still fine

5 julianos, 3 willpower, and 2 illambris still gets me around a 40 minute clear. So yeah, your setup is fine.

Dubhliam · June 2017

Drummerx04 wrote: »

peoplecallmeleo wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Scathing is a poor choice for vMA. It will often proc as you're killing a target, and then much of the proc is wasted to the downtime as you switch to another target. (And if you are a sorc as your signature suggests, Scathing is not a good choice for you in general.)

vMA hasn't really changed this patch. Use the same gear you used before, except swap one jewelry enchant to recovery.

So you're saying 5 BSW, 4 Moondancer and 2 Grothdar or Ilambris is still fine

5 julianos, 3 willpower, and 2 illambris still gets me around a 40 minute clear. So yeah, your setup is fine.

So much this.
It amazes me how little effort is actually needed to make a decent build, yet people still choose to grind their asses off farming "BiS" looted gear.

Save yourself the trouble, craft your gear.
Learn your skill rotation.

Dubhliam · June 2017

double post

code65536 · June 2017

Astrid_V wrote: »

I was yesterday in vMA with scathing mage on my magblade and it wasn't so bad.

I do my vMA runs on a magblade, and I've tried it with Julianos and with Scathing Mage. In Combat Metrics, the Scathing uptime is fairly decent, but in practice, I noticed that a lot of the proc uptime covered the periods when I was repositioning or retargeting. Because it procs on damage, it's pretty common for it to proc partway into killing something, which given the short bursty nature of vMA, means that it procs as something is dying.

Scathing is just fine on a magblade for more sustained DPS, like the boss fights. But I think it's a poor choice for the trash that make up most of vMA. I'm running Julianos in vMA on my magblade despite having two full sets of Scathing in perfect traits.

peoplecallmeleo wrote: »

So you're saying 5 BSW, 4 Moondancer and 2 Grothdar or Ilambris is still fine

Replace BSW with Julianos because of the BSW nerf.

peoplecallmeleo · June 2017

code65536 wrote: »

Astrid_V wrote: »

I was yesterday in vMA with scathing mage on my magblade and it wasn't so bad.

I do my vMA runs on a magblade, and I've tried it with Julianos and with Scathing Mage. In Combat Metrics, the Scathing uptime is fairly decent, but in practice, I noticed that a lot of the proc uptime covered the periods when I was repositioning or retargeting. Because it procs on damage, it's pretty common for it to proc partway into killing something, which given the short bursty nature of vMA, means that it procs as something is dying.

Scathing is just fine on a magblade for more sustained DPS, like the boss fights. But I think it's a poor choice for the trash that make up most of vMA. I'm running Julianos in vMA on my magblade despite having two full sets of Scathing in perfect traits.

peoplecallmeleo wrote: »

So you're saying 5 BSW, 4 Moondancer and 2 Grothdar or Ilambris is still fine

Replace BSW with Julianos because of the BSW nerf.

Understood, that did not occur to me that you burn the trash down so quick that the proc happens and you're stuck wasting damage time. Also one last thing if you wouldn't mind. What are my champ points supposed to be looking like. I have 620 CP, know I know I'm high enough that I should know but I honestly spend most of my ESO time as a healer and never really got into a damage toon till now

Vaoh · June 2017

Go full damage, as it'll help you kill stuff faster.

Also make sure to finish enemies off with Destruction Staff skills as much as possible, since it returns a ton of Magicka.

peoplecallmeleo · June 2017

What skills should I be running on my bars? I'm currently wearing 5 BSW / 4 Moondancer / 2 Grothdarr
but I might switch out the BSW for 5 piece Julianos.

Anhedonie · June 2017

Try necropotence x5, ilambris x2, moondancer x4. You'll get big shields and good damage from heavy attacks. And go full heavy/pet route. Really easy. Can watch cooking shows and eat popcorn, while doing no-death vMA run.

Lord_Eomer · June 2017

Anhedonie wrote: »

Try necropotence x5, ilambris x2, moondancer x4. You'll get big shields and good damage from heavy attacks. And go full heavy/pet route. Really easy. Can watch cooking shows and eat popcorn, while doing no-death vMA run.

Instead of moondancer better to use IA for more crit chance, crit is a way to go in pvene

Necro, Moondancer both not gives any crit bonus and in such case you will end up like 50% crit which is low.

code65536 · June 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

Go full damage, as it'll help you kill stuff faster.

Going full damage requires the kind of player who can go through vMA in their sleep. Someone who memorized the spawns, knows the kill priority, and virtually never makes mistakes. Because when you make mistakes, you waste resources recovering from those mistakes.

For someone who's asking what kind of skills to have on their bars, I would recommend having some regen in there. He did ask for the "BiS" setup, which is indeed full-damage, but the best setup for a seasoned vMA runner is not the best setup for someone who is less experienced.

Masel · June 2017

code65536 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Go full damage, as it'll help you kill stuff faster.

Going full damage requires the kind of player who can go through vMA in their sleep. Someone who memorized the spawns, knows the kill priority, and virtually never makes mistakes. Because when you make mistakes, you waste resources recovering from those mistakes.

For someone who's asking what kind of skills to have on their bars, I would recommend having some regen in there. He did ask for the "BiS" setup, which is indeed full-damage, but the best setup for a seasoned vMA runner is not the best setup for someone who is less experienced.

Use your old setup and put witchmother on. You'll need learn to not drop your shield anyway so the loss in health doesn't matter.

Julianos is best in my opinion. I've done a few runs in morrowind and the upfront burst is simply best, period. Bsw and scathing is fine for bossfights, but most things die within the first or second weave anyway and the initial hits will most likely not proc the sets...

Vaoh · June 2017

code65536 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Go full damage, as it'll help you kill stuff faster.

Going full damage requires the kind of player who can go through vMA in their sleep. Someone who memorized the spawns, knows the kill priority, and virtually never makes mistakes. Because when you make mistakes, you waste resources recovering from those mistakes.

For someone who's asking what kind of skills to have on their bars, I would recommend having some regen in there. He did ask for the "BiS" setup, which is indeed full-damage, but the best setup for a seasoned vMA runner is not the best setup for someone who is less experienced.

They asked for BiS, and I told them

full damage is the way to go.

Imo it is better to play this way than with the regen, as you'll get used to fighting with less regen and cast skills smarter, while also having the extra burst necessary to finish off enemies (which is quite huge in vMA tbh).

Witchmother's Brew can be very nice instead of a Max Health/Max Magicka food if you really need the regen, but full damage imo makes things easier as well. If enemies die way quicker you have less opposition hurting you. Drop a Destro Ult to melt all non boss adds as well.

peoplecallmeleo · June 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Go full damage, as it'll help you kill stuff faster.

Going full damage requires the kind of player who can go through vMA in their sleep. Someone who memorized the spawns, knows the kill priority, and virtually never makes mistakes. Because when you make mistakes, you waste resources recovering from those mistakes.

For someone who's asking what kind of skills to have on their bars, I would recommend having some regen in there. He did ask for the "BiS" setup, which is indeed full-damage, but the best setup for a seasoned vMA runner is not the best setup for someone who is less experienced.

They asked for BiS, and I told them full damage is the way to go.

Imo it is better to play this way than with the regen, as you'll get used to fighting with less regen and cast skills smarter, while also having the extra burst necessary to finish off enemies (which is quite huge in vMA tbh).

Witchmother's Brew can be very nice instead of a Max Health/Max Magicka food if you really need the regen, but full damage imo makes things easier as well. If enemies die way quicker you have less opposition hurting you. Drop a Destro Ult to melt all non boss adds as well.

The issue I have with dropping the Destro Ulti is that it seems to go away after the mob is done and it feels like a waste that I now have to recover from because the destro Utli is a little expensive.

What would you recommend for the Bars setup

laksikus · June 2017

peoplecallmeleo wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Go full damage, as it'll help you kill stuff faster.

Going full damage requires the kind of player who can go through vMA in their sleep. Someone who memorized the spawns, knows the kill priority, and virtually never makes mistakes. Because when you make mistakes, you waste resources recovering from those mistakes.

For someone who's asking what kind of skills to have on their bars, I would recommend having some regen in there. He did ask for the "BiS" setup, which is indeed full-damage, but the best setup for a seasoned vMA runner is not the best setup for someone who is less experienced.

They asked for BiS, and I told them full damage is the way to go.

Imo it is better to play this way than with the regen, as you'll get used to fighting with less regen and cast skills smarter, while also having the extra burst necessary to finish off enemies (which is quite huge in vMA tbh).

Witchmother's Brew can be very nice instead of a Max Health/Max Magicka food if you really need the regen, but full damage imo makes things easier as well. If enemies die way quicker you have less opposition hurting you. Drop a Destro Ult to melt all non boss adds as well.

The issue I have with dropping the Destro Ulti is that it seems to go away after the mob is done and it feels like a waste that I now have to recover from because the destro Utli is a little expensive.

What would you recommend for the Bars setup

use eye of the storm instead. it stays.

The biggest sustain tool for magicka players is the ressource return from destro passive and arcane well from cp

peoplecallmeleo · June 2017

laksikus wrote: »

peoplecallmeleo wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Go full damage, as it'll help you kill stuff faster.

Going full damage requires the kind of player who can go through vMA in their sleep. Someone who memorized the spawns, knows the kill priority, and virtually never makes mistakes. Because when you make mistakes, you waste resources recovering from those mistakes.

For someone who's asking what kind of skills to have on their bars, I would recommend having some regen in there. He did ask for the "BiS" setup, which is indeed full-damage, but the best setup for a seasoned vMA runner is not the best setup for someone who is less experienced.

They asked for BiS, and I told them full damage is the way to go.

Imo it is better to play this way than with the regen, as you'll get used to fighting with less regen and cast skills smarter, while also having the extra burst necessary to finish off enemies (which is quite huge in vMA tbh).

Witchmother's Brew can be very nice instead of a Max Health/Max Magicka food if you really need the regen, but full damage imo makes things easier as well. If enemies die way quicker you have less opposition hurting you. Drop a Destro Ult to melt all non boss adds as well.

The issue I have with dropping the Destro Ulti is that it seems to go away after the mob is done and it feels like a waste that I now have to recover from because the destro Utli is a little expensive.

What would you recommend for the Bars setup

use eye of the storm instead. it stays.

The biggest sustain tool for magicka players is the ressource return from destro passive and arcane well from cp

Yeah, that's the issue, Arcane well was removed with the Morrowind patch

SilverWF · June 2017

code65536 wrote: »

Astrid_V wrote: »

I was yesterday in vMA with scathing mage on my magblade and it wasn't so bad.

I do my vMA runs on a magblade, and I've tried it with Julianos and with Scathing Mage. In Combat Metrics, the Scathing uptime is fairly decent, but in practice, I noticed that a lot of the proc uptime covered the periods when I was repositioning or retargeting. Because it procs on DIRECT damage, it's pretty common for it to proc partway into killing something, which given the short bursty nature of vMA, means that it procs as something is dying.

Scathing is just fine on a magblade for more sustained DPS, like the boss fights. But I think it's a poor choice for the trash that make up most of vMA. I'm running Julianos in vMA on my magblade despite having two full sets of Scathing in perfect traits.

Scathing is BIS for NBs because Twisting Path (ground AOE, similar to Wall of Elements) is direct damage ability (probably, it's not intended).
Sorc just didn't have such easy way to proc Scathing more often.

Balsagna · June 2017

Astrid_V wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Scathing is a poor choice for vMA. It will often proc as you're killing a target, and then much of the proc is wasted to the downtime as you switch to another target. (And if you are a sorc as your signature suggests, Scathing is not a good choice for you in general.)

vMA hasn't really changed this patch. Use the same gear you used before, except swap one jewelry enchant to recovery.

I was yesterday in vMA with scathing mage on my magblade and it wasn't so bad.
On my magsorc I'm still using necropotence like before the patch and it works very well in vMA.

[edited response because it was unnecessarily *** even by my standards]