leepalmer95 wrote: »Its a good point kind of.
But most people have low crit in non cp anyway. So i'm guessing people who go for higher base stats overall, maybe even shadow.
I don't think you should be allowed to reduce all crit bonus dmg in non cp. Kind of messes with classes such a nbs who will go straight down to the bottom of stamina builds in non cp bgs when procs get nerfed. It'll negate most of their passives and their play style. 100% crit on cloak, more crit chance passives, more crit dmg etc...
I don't know, 2500 crit resist is a lot for a 5th piece though. Thats what 37% crit dmg reduction? From a 5th piece?
Waffennacht wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Its a good point kind of.
But most people have low crit in non cp anyway. So i'm guessing people who go for higher base stats overall, maybe even shadow.
I don't think you should be allowed to reduce all crit bonus dmg in non cp. Kind of messes with classes such a nbs who will go straight down to the bottom of stamina builds in non cp bgs when procs get nerfed. It'll negate most of their passives and their play style. 100% crit on cloak, more crit chance passives, more crit dmg etc...
I don't know, 2500 crit resist is a lot for a 5th piece though. Thats what 37% crit dmg reduction? From a 5th piece?
Yes and yes.
It's a great set that's counter is pretty much Raw power offensive "brawler" builds (I hope this becomes the new meta as it's always been my style)
But RIGHT now aren't NBs probably one of the most common and one of the most successful PvP classes?
Right now NB's can put more in resource management due proc sets... In combination with potions and other bonuses my stam NB has 1400 magicka regen and 2700 stam regen.... I can dark cloak around 10 times in combat in which I stop taking damage... Without proc's NB's cannot put this much into resource management and kill something.... ZOS did not intend for you to be able to run a regen template and have 2k weapon damage and still be able to burst you down in less then 2 secs...... Honestly when they nerf proc sets then NB's will fall back in line .....
leepalmer95 wrote: »Right now NB's can put more in resource management due proc sets... In combination with potions and other bonuses my stam NB has 1400 magicka regen and 2700 stam regen.... I can dark cloak around 10 times in combat in which I stop taking damage... Without proc's NB's cannot put this much into resource management and kill something.... ZOS did not intend for you to be able to run a regen template and have 2k weapon damage and still be able to burst you down in less then 2 secs...... Honestly when they nerf proc sets then NB's will fall back in line .....
If nbs don't put that much into resource management they will get melted. They have the worst healing in the game, they are forced to roll a lot otherwise they die.
Zos nerfed siphoning into a useless skill so they only resource management they have is the 15% passive unlike other classes. If they had a decent sustain skill like other classes, e.g. Dark deal, helping hands, battle roar, repentance then they could go into more dmg.
Honestly all i'd change on my proc nb would be automaton over viper and troll king over selene. If they did nerf proc sets into uselessness. I'd have slightly less burst and troll king would make up for automaton not increasing heals. I'd not to be out of cloak more because you wouldn't be able to burst anything and coming across anything such as a magplar or mag dk would require you to spam SA in the hope they somehow forget to heal and die.
Nahh I think people will complain about sorc next.
Waffennacht wrote: »Nahh I think people will complain about sorc next.
That's just a constant, you sometimes forget it's going on, like white noise, but it's always there...
I personally believe, however, so few players know the importance of impen that the majority will bypass the set thinking it's worthless.
It doesn't have nearly the cool factor that most players are attracted to - plus it is a defensive set and I feel the majority of the base is far more offensively oriented
While your right the majority will ignore the set players I need to worry about for example players in BG when they work the set is really strong.Waffennacht wrote: »Nahh I think people will complain about sorc next.
That's just a constant, you sometimes forget it's going on, like white noise, but it's always there...
I personally believe, however, so few players know the importance of impen that the majority will bypass the set thinking it's worthless.
It doesn't have nearly the cool factor that most players are attracted to - plus it is a defensive set and I feel the majority of the base is far more offensively oriented
While your right the majority will ignore the set players I need to worry about for example players in BG when they work the set is really strong.Waffennacht wrote: »Nahh I think people will complain about sorc next.
That's just a constant, you sometimes forget it's going on, like white noise, but it's always there...
I personally believe, however, so few players know the importance of impen that the majority will bypass the set thinking it's worthless.
It doesn't have nearly the cool factor that most players are attracted to - plus it is a defensive set and I feel the majority of the base is far more offensively oriented
leepalmer95 wrote: »While your right the majority will ignore the set players I need to worry about for example players in BG when they work the set is really strong.Waffennacht wrote: »Nahh I think people will complain about sorc next.
That's just a constant, you sometimes forget it's going on, like white noise, but it's always there...
I personally believe, however, so few players know the importance of impen that the majority will bypass the set thinking it's worthless.
It doesn't have nearly the cool factor that most players are attracted to - plus it is a defensive set and I feel the majority of the base is far more offensively oriented
I geared my mag sorc again yesterday and i fail too see whats so strong about them?
If 2 decent stam players jump on me im in trouble my shields fall so fast that i can't really do much else, then if they combo ults i die.
Were those players running proc sets?Anything when they nerf Damage proc sets depend on how they do it for example if the nerf Proc sets damage considerable everyone going to build for crit and pen.Two things which shields are not affected by.Which will lead to people complaining about sorcs again.Since they won't be able to burst through their shields.leepalmer95 wrote: »While your right the majority will ignore the set players I need to worry about for example players in BG when they work the set is really strong.Waffennacht wrote: »Nahh I think people will complain about sorc next.
That's just a constant, you sometimes forget it's going on, like white noise, but it's always there...
I personally believe, however, so few players know the importance of impen that the majority will bypass the set thinking it's worthless.
It doesn't have nearly the cool factor that most players are attracted to - plus it is a defensive set and I feel the majority of the base is far more offensively oriented
I geared my mag sorc again yesterday and i fail too see whats so strong about them?
If 2 decent stam players jump on me im in trouble my shields fall so fast that i can't really do much else, then if they combo ults i die.
Were those players running proc sets?Anything when they nerf Damage proc sets depend on how they do it for example if the nerf Proc sets damage considerable everyone going to build for crit and pen.Two things which shields are not affected by.Which will lead to people complaining about sorcs again.Since they won't be able to burst through their shields.leepalmer95 wrote: »While your right the majority will ignore the set players I need to worry about for example players in BG when they work the set is really strong.Waffennacht wrote: »Nahh I think people will complain about sorc next.
That's just a constant, you sometimes forget it's going on, like white noise, but it's always there...
I personally believe, however, so few players know the importance of impen that the majority will bypass the set thinking it's worthless.
It doesn't have nearly the cool factor that most players are attracted to - plus it is a defensive set and I feel the majority of the base is far more offensively oriented
I geared my mag sorc again yesterday and i fail too see whats so strong about them?
If 2 decent stam players jump on me im in trouble my shields fall so fast that i can't really do much else, then if they combo ults i die.
Were those players running proc sets?Anything when they nerf Damage proc sets depend on how they do it for example if the nerf Proc sets damage considerable everyone going to build for crit and pen.Two things which shields are not affected by.Which will lead to people complaining about sorcs again.Since they won't be able to burst through their shields.leepalmer95 wrote: »While your right the majority will ignore the set players I need to worry about for example players in BG when they work the set is really strong.Waffennacht wrote: »Nahh I think people will complain about sorc next.
That's just a constant, you sometimes forget it's going on, like white noise, but it's always there...
I personally believe, however, so few players know the importance of impen that the majority will bypass the set thinking it's worthless.
It doesn't have nearly the cool factor that most players are attracted to - plus it is a defensive set and I feel the majority of the base is far more offensively oriented
I geared my mag sorc again yesterday and i fail too see whats so strong about them?
If 2 decent stam players jump on me im in trouble my shields fall so fast that i can't really do much else, then if they combo ults i die.
That is easy.
Nerf proc sets like they will and make shields take crit dmg.
They won't make shields take crit damage sorc will cry to much.Were those players running proc sets?Anything when they nerf Damage proc sets depend on how they do it for example if the nerf Proc sets damage considerable everyone going to build for crit and pen.Two things which shields are not affected by.Which will lead to people complaining about sorcs again.Since they won't be able to burst through their shields.leepalmer95 wrote: »While your right the majority will ignore the set players I need to worry about for example players in BG when they work the set is really strong.Waffennacht wrote: »Nahh I think people will complain about sorc next.
That's just a constant, you sometimes forget it's going on, like white noise, but it's always there...
I personally believe, however, so few players know the importance of impen that the majority will bypass the set thinking it's worthless.
It doesn't have nearly the cool factor that most players are attracted to - plus it is a defensive set and I feel the majority of the base is far more offensively oriented
I geared my mag sorc again yesterday and i fail too see whats so strong about them?
If 2 decent stam players jump on me im in trouble my shields fall so fast that i can't really do much else, then if they combo ults i die.
That is easy.
Nerf proc sets like they will and make shields take crit dmg.
Waffennacht wrote: »Were those players running proc sets?Anything when they nerf Damage proc sets depend on how they do it for example if the nerf Proc sets damage considerable everyone going to build for crit and pen.Two things which shields are not affected by.Which will lead to people complaining about sorcs again.Since they won't be able to burst through their shields.leepalmer95 wrote: »While your right the majority will ignore the set players I need to worry about for example players in BG when they work the set is really strong.Waffennacht wrote: »Nahh I think people will complain about sorc next.
That's just a constant, you sometimes forget it's going on, like white noise, but it's always there...
I personally believe, however, so few players know the importance of impen that the majority will bypass the set thinking it's worthless.
It doesn't have nearly the cool factor that most players are attracted to - plus it is a defensive set and I feel the majority of the base is far more offensively oriented
I geared my mag sorc again yesterday and i fail too see whats so strong about them?
If 2 decent stam players jump on me im in trouble my shields fall so fast that i can't really do much else, then if they combo ults i die.
That is easy.
Nerf proc sets like they will and make shields take crit dmg.
If you did that, because they have 0 resistance, a heal would be 9-50% more efficient than a ward - completely making them useless
GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Were those players running proc sets?Anything when they nerf Damage proc sets depend on how they do it for example if the nerf Proc sets damage considerable everyone going to build for crit and pen.Two things which shields are not affected by.Which will lead to people complaining about sorcs again.Since they won't be able to burst through their shields.leepalmer95 wrote: »While your right the majority will ignore the set players I need to worry about for example players in BG when they work the set is really strong.Waffennacht wrote: »Nahh I think people will complain about sorc next.
That's just a constant, you sometimes forget it's going on, like white noise, but it's always there...
I personally believe, however, so few players know the importance of impen that the majority will bypass the set thinking it's worthless.
It doesn't have nearly the cool factor that most players are attracted to - plus it is a defensive set and I feel the majority of the base is far more offensively oriented
I geared my mag sorc again yesterday and i fail too see whats so strong about them?
If 2 decent stam players jump on me im in trouble my shields fall so fast that i can't really do much else, then if they combo ults i die.
That is easy.
Nerf proc sets like they will and make shields take crit dmg.
If you did that, because they have 0 resistance, a heal would be 9-50% more efficient than a ward - completely making them useless
Make them crit-able and give them resistances. Not really gonna matter considering so many shield stackers have like 9k resists anyway.
leepalmer95 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Its a good point kind of.
But most people have low crit in non cp anyway. So i'm guessing people who go for higher base stats overall, maybe even shadow.
I don't think you should be allowed to reduce all crit bonus dmg in non cp. Kind of messes with classes such a nbs who will go straight down to the bottom of stamina builds in non cp bgs when procs get nerfed. It'll negate most of their passives and their play style. 100% crit on cloak, more crit chance passives, more crit dmg etc...
I don't know, 2500 crit resist is a lot for a 5th piece though. Thats what 37% crit dmg reduction? From a 5th piece?
Yes and yes.
It's a great set that's counter is pretty much Raw power offensive "brawler" builds (I hope this becomes the new meta as it's always been my style)
But RIGHT now aren't NBs probably one of the most common and one of the most successful PvP classes?
Well nbs have the best synergy with proc sets, thats all.
Its not that nbs are OP its that procs are OP and when they a nerfed depending of how hard they are nerfed nbs will go straight to the bottom of pvp stam classes i think.
leepalmer95 wrote: »Right now NB's can put more in resource management due proc sets... In combination with potions and other bonuses my stam NB has 1400 magicka regen and 2700 stam regen.... I can dark cloak around 10 times in combat in which I stop taking damage... Without proc's NB's cannot put this much into resource management and kill something.... ZOS did not intend for you to be able to run a regen template and have 2k weapon damage and still be able to burst you down in less then 2 secs...... Honestly when they nerf proc sets then NB's will fall back in line .....
If nbs don't put that much into resource management they will get melted. They have the worst healing in the game, they are forced to roll a lot otherwise they die.
Zos nerfed siphoning into a useless skill so they only resource management they have is the 15% passive unlike other classes. If they had a decent sustain skill like other classes, e.g. Dark deal, helping hands, battle roar, repentance then they could go into more dmg.
Honestly all i'd change on my proc nb would be automaton over viper and troll king over selene. If they did nerf proc sets into uselessness. I'd have slightly less burst and troll king would make up for automaton not increasing heals. I'd not to be out of cloak more because you wouldn't be able to burst anything and coming across anything such as a magplar or mag dk would require you to spam SA in the hope they somehow forget to heal and die.
They won't make shields take crit damage sorc will cry to much.Were those players running proc sets?Anything when they nerf Damage proc sets depend on how they do it for example if the nerf Proc sets damage considerable everyone going to build for crit and pen.Two things which shields are not affected by.Which will lead to people complaining about sorcs again.Since they won't be able to burst through their shields.leepalmer95 wrote: »While your right the majority will ignore the set players I need to worry about for example players in BG when they work the set is really strong.Waffennacht wrote: »Nahh I think people will complain about sorc next.
That's just a constant, you sometimes forget it's going on, like white noise, but it's always there...
I personally believe, however, so few players know the importance of impen that the majority will bypass the set thinking it's worthless.
It doesn't have nearly the cool factor that most players are attracted to - plus it is a defensive set and I feel the majority of the base is far more offensively oriented
I geared my mag sorc again yesterday and i fail too see whats so strong about them?
If 2 decent stam players jump on me im in trouble my shields fall so fast that i can't really do much else, then if they combo ults i die.
That is easy.
Nerf proc sets like they will and make shields take crit dmg.
leepalmer95 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Its a good point kind of.
But most people have low crit in non cp anyway. So i'm guessing people who go for higher base stats overall, maybe even shadow.
I don't think you should be allowed to reduce all crit bonus dmg in non cp. Kind of messes with classes such a nbs who will go straight down to the bottom of stamina builds in non cp bgs when procs get nerfed. It'll negate most of their passives and their play style. 100% crit on cloak, more crit chance passives, more crit dmg etc...
I don't know, 2500 crit resist is a lot for a 5th piece though. Thats what 37% crit dmg reduction? From a 5th piece?
Yes and yes.
It's a great set that's counter is pretty much Raw power offensive "brawler" builds (I hope this becomes the new meta as it's always been my style)
But RIGHT now aren't NBs probably one of the most common and one of the most successful PvP classes?
Well nbs have the best synergy with proc sets, thats all.
Its not that nbs are OP its that procs are OP and when they a nerfed depending of how hard they are nerfed nbs will go straight to the bottom of pvp stam classes i think.
Na. Even without procs it's the best 1vX class right now because of cloak working 10% of the time instead of 1% of the time like it has been in recent memory. It won't be meta anymore though, but it won't be the weakest stam class. StamDK is weak right now unless running dizzy swing in heavy, one play style. Stamden is pretty weak, maybe cause people haven't worked out how best to play it but I haven't met a single stamden who has been able to fight for more than 30 seconds. Stamplar/Storc I'm not even sure about, I'm not seeing many in EU but PC EU has historically been the most cancerous platformand all I'm seeing in PvP right now is stamblades, magblades, magplars, magdens spamming bird and the occasional magdk.
Were those players running proc sets?Anything when they nerf Damage proc sets depend on how they do it for example if the nerf Proc sets damage considerable everyone going to build for crit and pen.Two things which shields are not affected by.Which will lead to people complaining about sorcs again.Since they won't be able to burst through their shields.leepalmer95 wrote: »While your right the majority will ignore the set players I need to worry about for example players in BG when they work the set is really strong.Waffennacht wrote: »Nahh I think people will complain about sorc next.
That's just a constant, you sometimes forget it's going on, like white noise, but it's always there...
I personally believe, however, so few players know the importance of impen that the majority will bypass the set thinking it's worthless.
It doesn't have nearly the cool factor that most players are attracted to - plus it is a defensive set and I feel the majority of the base is far more offensively oriented
I geared my mag sorc again yesterday and i fail too see whats so strong about them?
If 2 decent stam players jump on me im in trouble my shields fall so fast that i can't really do much else, then if they combo ults i die.