Hidden "Special" Crown Crate Mounts

LadyNalcarya · June 2017

Haha seems like this time around the rng is even worse, there's so many crappy cosmetic items... And a big experience scroll is apparently a high tier reward XD
And those motif books, obviously added just to dilute the loot table even more. Lol.

aisriyth_ESO · June 2017

LiquidPony wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Idylliqe wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

I bought a 1 Wild Hunt crate last week and a 4-pack of Dwarven Crates yesterday.

I got a Wild Hunt Horse and a Dwarven Bear mount. Makes up for my awful RNG in-game I guess (not really).

Am I a bad person?

Do not take the complaints regarding the system as a personal attack against the fans who enable its existence; we have all been there in our lives, thinking all is fine and letting the companies push the line a little further as time went by. We are the boiling frogs.

I say "we" because I am aware that I also did support sleazy practices even if I don't buy crates. When I bought a DLC with a different name just because I wanted an ice mage so badly, I also enabled a sleazy practice.

We have all been enablers or this wouldn't be happening to us. We're all in this together whether we like it or not.

Exactly. And not just in ESO. The gaming community as a whole has always been extremely forgiven and forgetful. That's how we got here, for better and for worse.

I just fundamentally disagree with all of this, I guess.

It's hard to beat the bang for the buck we get out of video games.

I have 3000+ hours in ESO. I've spent maybe $600-700 on the game (PC, XB1, subscription, crowns) over several years.

So maybe some might consider me an "enabler" for having that attitude but it is what it is. I don't mind Crown Crates, I don't mind the Crown Store, I don't mind that there are now items that are only available from RNG purchases. I don't begrudge the ZOS folks for trying to make a good living off of this game. The only line in the sand I draw is P2W (in the way that I define it, being things that give you an actual competitive advantage in the game), and we haven't come near that yet IMO.

Contrary to the quote above, I actually think that gamers often have a pretty entitled attitude and get more than fair value for their money. Back in the 90s, we paid $50-60 for games that a handful of guys built in a few months (IIRC, mega-titles like Super Mario Bros. and Sonic the Hedgehog were developed in under a year by teams of 5-8 developers/artists/designers). Today we pay $50-$60 for games that teams of dozens or hundreds of people spend years and tens of millions of dollars creating and then spend years and millions more dollars maintaining infrastructure so that we can play online.

I get the impression that there's a lot of romanticism for the "good old days" of gaming, but I think it's nonsense.

As a general rule, i agree with what you wrote. However, there is a difference between monetary making methods. I won't say i love RNG crates or marketing bait and switches.

However, i totally understand a company needs $$ to continue, i just would like them to be transparent and ethical about it.

MadLarkin · June 2017

LiquidPony wrote: »

I get the impression that there's a lot of romanticism for the "good old days" of gaming, but I think it's nonsense.

There are some things I wish the industry still did. Shareware, demos that are representative of the final product. Pre-order and special edition culture is out of control. Bonuses dependent on the platform is a ridiculous notion to me. Everyone should get the same game. Stuff like that has gone too far.

Rawreak Rovyre · June 2017

So the Adamant Dwarven Horse is actually really that rare? I happened to pull it from the bonus Crown Crate with the Morrowind chapter... go figure. I don't normally buy crates or care for special cosmetics outside of what I can get in the game.

That said, it's absolutely stunning and attention-grabbing. I haven't seen another one yet (PS4). but anticipate I will soon enough...

Malamar1229 · June 2017

JahneeO wrote: »

Somtimes, when I see posts like this, I am convinced that I read the forums way too much.
The tone that some people take in their posts is unbelievable.
I don't know if it's a moral high ground or if some people just can't resist spending their rent money on game shinies.

Its a game.
A game that is a product for sale in a free enterprise system.
The owner of the products sells it how they like and at what price they like.
Their business model is set up to optimize profit.
If people like the product and price, they are successful.

ESO is succesful.

No succesful business model will ever cater to an individual.
It is not their job to make you happy. It is your job to make you happy.

If you don't like Crown Crates, don't buy them.
If you think there's not enough benefit to ESO+, don't sub.
If you think that there's no value in Housing, don't invest your time.

If you think that overall the game is unfair, stop playing.

Life is unfair, and nobody owes you anything.

this is an attitude that gets businesses shut down. Yes it is their job to make you happy.

in the end, this is kind of slimey. its like going to a restaurant and having them charge you for utensils.

Stopnaggin · June 2017

BlackSparrow wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Idylliqe wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

I bought a 1 Wild Hunt crate last week and a 4-pack of Dwarven Crates yesterday.

I got a Wild Hunt Horse and a Dwarven Bear mount. Makes up for my awful RNG in-game I guess (not really).

Am I a bad person?

Do not take the complaints regarding the system as a personal attack against the fans who enable its existence; we have all been there in our lives, thinking all is fine and letting the companies push the line a little further as time went by. We are the boiling frogs.

I say "we" because I am aware that I also did support sleazy practices even if I don't buy crates. When I bought a DLC with a different name just because I wanted an ice mage so badly, I also enabled a sleazy practice.

We have all been enablers or this wouldn't be happening to us. We're all in this together whether we like it or not.

Exactly. And not just in ESO. The gaming community as a whole has always been extremely forgiven and forgetful. That's how we got here, for better and for worse.

I just fundamentally disagree with all of this, I guess.

It's hard to beat the bang for the buck we get out of video games.

I have 3000+ hours in ESO. I've spent maybe $600-700 on the game (PC, XB1, subscription, crowns) over several years.

So maybe some might consider me an "enabler" for having that attitude but it is what it is. I don't mind Crown Crates, I don't mind the Crown Store, I don't mind that there are now items that are only available from RNG purchases. I don't begrudge the ZOS folks for trying to make a good living off of this game. The only line in the sand I draw is P2W (in the way that I define it, being things that give you an actual competitive advantage in the game), and we haven't come near that yet IMO.

Contrary to the quote above, I actually think that gamers often have a pretty entitled attitude and get more than fair value for their money. Back in the 90s, we paid $50-60 for games that a handful of guys built in a few months (IIRC, mega-titles like Super Mario Bros. and Sonic the Hedgehog were developed in under a year by teams of 5-8 developers/artists/designers). Today we pay $50-$60 for games that teams of dozens or hundreds of people spend years and tens of millions of dollars creating and then spend years and millions more dollars maintaining infrastructure so that we can play online.

I get the impression that there's a lot of romanticism for the "good old days" of gaming, but I think it's nonsense.

I agree with you about paying an equivalent price for the entertainment we get. That's why I don't mind paying for sub, Morrowind, or any of the other ridiculous little cosmetic items I've gotten over the years (including Tel Galen). I'll pay for my entertainment, because I can afford it, and it keeps the game running. I will never apologize for paying for content, because I've weighed the cost of the content against the enjoyment I expect to get out of it as part of the purchase process. And given that I know what I like in a game like this, I am rarely disappointed with what I do buy. Even Crown Crates, I understood, though I was leery because I've seen other games go to Oblivion in a handbasket after gamble boxes were introduced.

But I draw the line at gamble box items that do not let you directly purchase them in some manner. Those, you don't know the cost, and that is a dangerous prospect to anyone who isn't good at managing their money. They can set out to try for an apex mount, and before they know it they've bought $300 worth of crates one Crown pack at a time. I don't even consider getting these items an option, because I cannot weigh the entertainment vs cost ratio against something that has no fixed cost.

That's my breaking point, and I suppose it's my fault that I did not expect ZOS to cross a line I'd set in my mind as the limit between acceptable business practices and predatory sales techniques. Apparently, when it comes to paying for gaming content, the line between what's acceptable and what's predatory is more subjective than most of us realize.

I'm right there with you. I defended crown crates, I defended 5k crown mountals, I defended 5k crown motifs and I defended Morrowind, even though it was technically a DLC. I had no problem spending the money I did over the past 2 years, well over a grand. What I find unacceptable is how they changed the crates this season. They added more lower tier items which result in lower duplicates to cash in for gems. They added rewards that can not be purchases with gems, essentially making this a true gamble box. The drop rate of items, ie nix hounds, is way to high to be pure rng. I would have happily spent more money on this game for years to come, but I feel like I have been taken advantage of at this point.

I bought many houses with crowns, many items for my house with crowns. Bought many mounts and crown crates. But my money doesn't seem to go as far. The item limit for housing is awful, crown crates have a diminished return. Everything in the crown store is going up in price and alot less quality. Fixes for the game itself don't seem to work, in fact it seems as though when they fix something the break it even worse. Up to this point I have ignored most of this, but now, well I can't anymore. Feels lie I'm in abusive relationship, and I have less and less desire to come home.

LiquidPony · June 2017

BlackSparrow wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Idylliqe wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

I bought a 1 Wild Hunt crate last week and a 4-pack of Dwarven Crates yesterday.

I got a Wild Hunt Horse and a Dwarven Bear mount. Makes up for my awful RNG in-game I guess (not really).

Am I a bad person?

Do not take the complaints regarding the system as a personal attack against the fans who enable its existence; we have all been there in our lives, thinking all is fine and letting the companies push the line a little further as time went by. We are the boiling frogs.

I say "we" because I am aware that I also did support sleazy practices even if I don't buy crates. When I bought a DLC with a different name just because I wanted an ice mage so badly, I also enabled a sleazy practice.

We have all been enablers or this wouldn't be happening to us. We're all in this together whether we like it or not.

Exactly. And not just in ESO. The gaming community as a whole has always been extremely forgiven and forgetful. That's how we got here, for better and for worse.

I just fundamentally disagree with all of this, I guess.

It's hard to beat the bang for the buck we get out of video games.

I have 3000+ hours in ESO. I've spent maybe $600-700 on the game (PC, XB1, subscription, crowns) over several years.

So maybe some might consider me an "enabler" for having that attitude but it is what it is. I don't mind Crown Crates, I don't mind the Crown Store, I don't mind that there are now items that are only available from RNG purchases. I don't begrudge the ZOS folks for trying to make a good living off of this game. The only line in the sand I draw is P2W (in the way that I define it, being things that give you an actual competitive advantage in the game), and we haven't come near that yet IMO.

Contrary to the quote above, I actually think that gamers often have a pretty entitled attitude and get more than fair value for their money. Back in the 90s, we paid $50-60 for games that a handful of guys built in a few months (IIRC, mega-titles like Super Mario Bros. and Sonic the Hedgehog were developed in under a year by teams of 5-8 developers/artists/designers). Today we pay $50-$60 for games that teams of dozens or hundreds of people spend years and tens of millions of dollars creating and then spend years and millions more dollars maintaining infrastructure so that we can play online.

I get the impression that there's a lot of romanticism for the "good old days" of gaming, but I think it's nonsense.

I agree with you about paying an equivalent price for the entertainment we get. That's why I don't mind paying for sub, Morrowind, or any of the other ridiculous little cosmetic items I've gotten over the years (including Tel Galen). I'll pay for my entertainment, because I can afford it, and it keeps the game running. I will never apologize for paying for content, because I've weighed the cost of the content against the enjoyment I expect to get out of it as part of the purchase process. And given that I know what I like in a game like this, I am rarely disappointed with what I do buy. Even Crown Crates, I understood, though I was leery because I've seen other games go to Oblivion in a handbasket after gamble boxes were introduced.

But I draw the line at gamble box items that do not let you directly purchase them in some manner. Those, you don't know the cost, and that is a dangerous prospect to anyone who isn't good at managing their money. They can set out to try for an apex mount, and before they know it they've bought $300 worth of crates one Crown pack at a time. I don't even consider getting these items an option, because I cannot weigh the entertainment vs cost ratio against something that has no fixed cost.

That's my breaking point, and I suppose it's my fault that I did not expect ZOS to cross a line I'd set in my mind as the limit between acceptable business practices and predatory sales techniques. Apparently, when it comes to paying for gaming content, the line between what's acceptable and what's predatory is more subjective than most of us realize.

I understand the perspective but it just doesn't bother me.

Whether Crown Crates are a "dangerous prospect to anyone who isn't good at managing their money" doesn't move the needle, IMO. Life is a dangerous prospect to people who can't manage their money. I'm not out picketing casinos or horse tracks or credit card companies or Draft Kings or FanDuel or the thousands of other games that have "gambling" features.

"A fool and his money are soon parted."

KcjAries78 · June 2017

I'm very upset to have learned this only after buying 2 packs of 15 and not getting a single mount. Though mimick stones, orbs, and tuneing forks run rampant. I think I got 2 pets and 2 motif books I already have on my crafter. So now with 500+ gems I went to go find the stenche and I'm stuck with two plain dwarven mount options. I originally thought these were a crown purchase option but now I see they are my only gem options. This makes no sense because if you keep buying crates to get your special mount that you want (let's face it the only thing people really want) shelling out hundreds of dollars you will still be stuck with gems and nothing to buy with them. Very dirty ZOS.... do you guys not know how to do basic math? Your drop rates never improved either from the original PTS promise. Very dirty.

Fang_of_Lorkhaj · June 2017

Lol ZO$

Fishoscandi · June 2017

I'm not defending ZOS or Crown Crates, but it's a mount. It's purely cosmetic. The only way they are "Special" is their appearance. Also those mounts where shown in the "Introducing Dwarven Crown Crates" thread on ESO's website. Or the crown store showcase thread.

CardboardedBox · June 2017

Full motifs being in there really bothered me...

Elsonso · June 2017

Malamar1229 wrote: »

this is an attitude that gets businesses shut down. Yes it is their job to make you happy.

in the end, this is kind of slimey. its like going to a restaurant and having them charge you for utensils.

Their job is not to make people happy.

CardboardedBox wrote: »

Full motifs being in there really bothered me...

They could have sold the motif chapters, individually, in the Crown Store.

Eyesinthedrk · June 2017

You can complain all you like. But as long as people keep buying them, they'll keep producing them.

As for needing to make money, I don't know a single player that doesn't have plus I know many people that bought furnished mansions with crowns as well as the cave and island. My guild bought 3 Mundus stones for the guild hall and I know of other guilds that bought every single mundus stone. let's not forget the mandatory new cash to get morrowind. Oh, there was millions made on the 6th rerelease of skyrim.

There is a reason I call them sucker crates, and we all know there's one born every minute.

Jitterbug · June 2017

LadyDestiny wrote: »

I fou d these right off the bat. Wasn't difficult.

there's an R in RNG

WhiteCoatSyndrome · June 2017

lordrichter wrote: »

Their job is not to make people happy.

I'm with @Malamar1229 on this: yes it is. This is a game. It is not food, water, or shelter. It is not required for my continued existence, or anyone else's. Its purpose is to make players happy. 'Oh lookit, that building over there! That thing is so cool! ' 'Go me, I just beat that really tough boss, I am awesome!' 'I found this neat new helmet, it makes me look really tough!'

...People play the game to be happy. They may do different things in the game to accomplish that goal, but they are trying to accomplish it. If the game is not making people happy, it has no purpose and should be replaced by activities that do. And the people who make the game need to understand that. When you take a job in the entertainment industry you must acknowledge, if only to yourself, that your job is not vital to human existence and your entire customer base could walk away tomorrow if they so choose. Your job is to make them like the game so much that they won't.

Benn G x · June 2017

There are more mounts available in the crates, surely that increases the RNG

why add the dromathra tho I payed 5500 crowns for that

Elsonso · June 2017

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Their job is not to make people happy.

I'm with @Malamar1229 on this: yes it is. This is a game. It is not food, water, or shelter. It is not required for my continued existence, or anyone else's. Its purpose is to make players happy. 'Oh lookit, that building over there! That thing is so cool! ' 'Go me, I just beat that really tough boss, I am awesome!' 'I found this neat new helmet, it makes me look really tough!'

...People play the game to be happy. They may do different things in the game to accomplish that goal, but they are trying to accomplish it. If the game is not making people happy, it has no purpose and should be replaced by activities that do. And the people who make the game need to understand that. When you take a job in the entertainment industry you must acknowledge, if only to yourself, that your job is not vital to human existence and your entire customer base could walk away tomorrow if they so choose. Your job is to make them like the game so much that they won't.

I don't view what you said as being the same thing as what @Malamar1229 said. They seemed to be talking more about customer service and business practices than providing entertainment.

Yes, ZOS is in the entertainment business, which makes that their job to see people entertained. I would hesitate to use the word "happy" instead of "entertained."

Eleusian · June 2017

Crown crates are here because players buy them. Players stop buying , Zos will drop them and try something else. Casinos are full of patrons for a reason

Jitterbug · June 2017

Hallothiel wrote: »

Those posting about companies only wanting to maximising profit - yes, I do get that -but this is not the way to do it.

They would make enough money by just putting the damn things in the crown store for people to buy at a decent price. They would also profit from customer satisfaction and good reputation - theirs could do with a boost at the moment.

At present they get less of both.

And yes, I am aware that there is another thread wittering on about some gem-rich sweetroll that has posters salivating. That is just sad.

Hallothiel wrote: »

enough

Lord_Eomer · June 2017

No body is forcing anyone to buy crown crates. Its not like VO Sharpen Sword or Dagger or VMA inferno sharpen is going to drop out of these crates.

So stop complaining these are all cosmetic items

Smmokkee · June 2017

Zos you suck. Greedy as all hell..

Smmokkee · June 2017

These mounts aren't ultra rare... They'd have to be obtainable in game to be ultra rare. These mounts are stupid.. and just show that you are willing to spend the cash and, you got lucky.

The regular horse mounts are more rare then these.

Darkstorne · June 2017

Eleusian wrote: »

Crown crates are here because players buy them. Players stop buying , Zos will drop them and try something else. Casinos are full of patrons for a reason

Pretty much this. I still haven't bought a single Crate, and never will. I'm assuming most of the people upset about this "change" went ahead and bought a bunch of Dwarven Crates anyway. Everyone else is still just upset that Crates exist at all.

Stop buying them if you finally agree the system is ***. 5000 Crowns for 15 Crates, right? That's almost the price of the Morrowind expansion. Which would you rather see more of? Vote with your wallet, folks.

svartorn · June 2017

jircris11 wrote: »

People need to get over the hate for crown creates. Every mmo that is b2p or f2p has them. If you don't like them then shut up and don't buy them. At least eso has no p2w Insta max lol or 80% of the game locked behind a pay wall like most mmos.

Yeah, but that is why we have the crown store. See a mount? Buy it. Done. I've purchased quite a few mounts and nearly all the costumes. I'm also a +sub.

Teasing people with an RNG mount that you will maybe get but you have to spend $40 every time you gamble for it is predatory. We all know how bad the RNG in this game is already...

Marginis · June 2017

I have played this game since beta. I have every DLC, every limited edition item, every crown item released until the Shadows of the Hist release, and multiple copies of the game. This includes every senche mount, even the fabled striped senche. I saw the crown crates, and I, with terrible RNG as always, finally got enough crown gems with 30 packs ($80) to get the dwarven senche. Then I saw someone with the ebon dwarven senche. I obviously had to get it to complete my senche mount collection.

Roughly $500 later, having rolled two actual dwarven mounts, I got the rest with gems and still have 1000 gems to spare. No ebon senche. No adamant horse. No vitrine wolf. I'm willing to pay out the nose for a game I love, especially with how great the Morrowind expansion is. But it's F***ING RIDICULOUS to spend $500 on a mount, let alone spend $500 and NOT GET that mount! With how much money I've put into this game, all the heart I've poured into the community, and all the time I've invested for years of my life into Elder Scrolls Online, I feel I deserve at least a little more than this.

aisriyth_ESO · June 2017

We still haven't received any confirmation yet on if they Adamant Horse, Vitrine Wolf and Ebon Senche will definitely show up later outside the crate?

Elsonso · June 2017

aisriyth_ESO wrote: »

We still haven't received any confirmation yet on if they Adamant Horse, Vitrine Wolf and Ebon Senche will definitely show up later outside the crate?

I would not hold my breath.

Stormshaper · June 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

So wait a minute, how does 1 somehow make the RNG more worse than trying for an apex reward mount?

I may be wrong, but I think the point was merely that there are items that cannot be obtained with gems and are therefore only available directly from a crate drop. I'm not sure that anything is different with regards to the odds in obtaining these drop-only mounts. The odds may be identical to the Apex awards for all we know at this point, possibly even greater than Apex, although seemingly quite unlikely.

Urkraft · June 2017

i am really upset about this situation, especially since i had the feeling, that when ZOS came up with crown jewels, it made many criticism vanish or get a bit more quiet, since it made the amount of money spent for an item countable by those jewels. bringing now this hidden items, looks to me, like ZOS wnats to bring its original concept again ,but this time people aren't shitstorming anymore - or at least not that much as back then. in this case, ZOS did a good job making its customers once more to idiots. I also think, this is highly disrespectfull towards the community, since ZOS, with stepping a bit back and bringing the jewels, made some kind of agreement with the ESO-Community about gambling.

Jamini · June 2017

I don't know why people are surprised by this.

Don't buy clown crates. Don't support toxic marketing practices.

Everyone who supported crown crates: You were warned. You did not listen.