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Hidden "Special" Crown Crate Mounts
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khele23eb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭So $40 per mount wasnt enough for you ZOS? I really hope this whole crate thing crashes and burns. Unfortunatelly im perfectly aware people are suckers and will fall for things like this every single time. Now I wish I hadnt spent money on Morrowind.
Edited by khele23eb17_ESO on June 22, 2017 6:42PMP2P offered you 'hell yeah!' moments. F2P offers you 'thank god its over' moments.5 -
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✭[Mephisto939 wrote: »For the love of god people, it's just a cosmetic skin. The ultra rare horse is almost indistinguishable from the 400 crown one. No one is putting a gun to your head.
Again, different people have different priorities and different things that give them enjoyment in the game. Not you, not anybody, can determinate what is relevant and what is not for the entire player base. What you find important, others might find irrelevant, too.
I can relate to both @Mephisto939 and @Abeille throughout the entirety of the thread.
I did a lot of skimming through the thread; not so much tl;dr, but just catching the high points and skipping duplicate sentiments from multiple posters. The bottom line for most gamers is: We play these games, ESO in this case, because it is fun or exciting, as a way of escaping the reality we live in, or because we're good at it and have an outlet to exert superiority over others that might not be otherwise possible. Heck, some people may even make a decent living off it by streaming or selling ESO-related apps, etc. What one person may enjoy, another may find completely irrelevant for their style of gameplay.
Back to the topic at hand: Crown Crates. I've opened exactly one crate - the free one with my Morrowind pre-order. Full disclosure: I also rode around on the 10,000 gold mount until I got my dwarven war horse, again with Morrowind pre-order. I'm not here to say nobody should be upset about their perception that ZoS is being deceitful or inspiring ill-will by the exorbitant price of the crates, and now having ultra-rare mounts locked behind pure RNG. I just feel that as a cosmetic-only item it is low priority to me and I personally don't find it a big deal.
Now, that's my opinion. Mine. This thread was started by an OP, and responded to by many others who do not share the same opinion. While I do not agree with the anger those individuals are experiencing, I do understand their point of view and can see where it is negatively impacting their enjoyment of the game and puts them in a financial hole if they want to enjoy the game as fully as someone like myself who cares little for cosmetic upgrades that don't directly affect the mechanics of the game.
Which brings us to this quote:To some folks, you get more enjoyment about having an awesome mount/pet/costume and looking just right as you adventure than any type of max level or BiS gear. If they put the BiS gear behind there, I bet plenty would be mad (as they should), but many would also have less to complain about (those who don't care about BiS super powerful gear)
This argument has to be viewed from a game development standpoint and the definition of P2W. Cosmetic items may affect a person's ability to enjoy the game, but do not change the game mechanics as defined by the original intent of the developers. If ESO was designed as a true role-playing MMO, where the number of houses, mounts, pets, etc was the determining factor in reaching end-game, then Crown Crates, as they currently stand, would, in fact, be P2W. However, ESO was designed as a gear-based, level-based, skill-based MMO where there are certain gear pieces that are considered BiS as they directly affect a players ability to succeed in PvE and PvP combat. Riding my plain brown horse up to a world boss does not mechanically cripple me from defeating said boss compared to someone riding a Dro'Mathra senche mount prior to engaging in combat. However, putting BiS items behind a paywall would be a direct equivalent of P2W as ESO was originally designed. So an argument justifying complaining about cosmetics because people would also complain about BiS gear is an apples to oranges discussion.
Again, the concept of "winning" and what you require in-game to do it falls back to the definition of the game developers, and what their design for ultimate end-game is.
You may view winning as collecting every mount. Are you wrong? Nope, but that was not the intent of the designers of ESO.
When I hit 1 million gold in my bank account I thought I was winning. Am I wrong? I'm sure a lot of people would laugh at me for claiming I had won at that point, including ESO developers.
Charlie Sheen views winning as..... well let's not go there.
The point is, does OP and others in this thread have a legitimate complaint about crown crates? In their minds, yes. But, in the viewpoint of ESO developers, probably not. I will have to say though, there are ways to voice your opinion to enact change, and then there are better ways. Yelling and screaming, "This isn't fair! This is tyranny!" is not likely to get the Tyrant to change his ways. ZoS looks at many of those posts and probably just sees a bunch of Brick Tamblins on the forums shouting, "Loud noises!"
Speak logically. Bring up specific examples of how your personal enjoyment or gameplay is directly affected or being slighted. As someone else said, speak with your wallet. Don't buy the crown crates for a while. Yeah, you're a drop in the bucket, but if enough drops leak out, eventually the bucket goes dry.
TL;DR - Opinions on crown crates vary; but if you want your opinion to carry merit with ZOS, it helps to express it in a civilized manner.
Edited by Feric51 on June 22, 2017 6:50PMFeric51
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TL;DR - Opinions on crown crates vary; but if you want your opinion to carry merit with ZOS, it helps to express it in a civilized manner.
I dont think how you express your opinion matters at all to ZOS. What matters is whether enough people take their money elsewhere or not.
Edited by khele23eb17_ESO on June 22, 2017 6:51PMP2P offered you 'hell yeah!' moments. F2P offers you 'thank god its over' moments.7 -
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✭✭✭ThePaleItalian wrote: »Yet all the sheep with the nostalgia glasses for Morrowind will buy them up.
Not exactly sure what items that "all the sheep with nostalgia glasses for Morrowind" would want. And I'm one of the "sheep" apparently. About the only thing that would be "nostalgia glasses" would be if they had a giant walking dwemer crossbow. Those were outside one of the dwemer ruins in the original version. I admit I'm still having fun and finding stuff linking the single player original Morrowind to Zos's version.
I have senche and cats issues. They are worse than pokemon for me. I have no willpower when it comes to the senches and cats that are for outright sale in the crown store. I would like to add the dwemer versions of the senche and wolf, but as long as they are clown crate only I won't do that. I do not want to show any support for exclusive items in the clown crates.
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Acadia76✭Well I had 1800 crowns left from when I got my eso plus so I used 1500 of them and got the glass wolf and some other random stuff. I was kinda hopping for the normal dwaven wolf but I'll take this one.0 -
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✭Mephisto939 wrote: »For the love of god people, it's just a cosmetic skin. The ultra rare horse is almost indistinguishable from the 400 crown one. No one is putting a gun to your head.
Yes it's just cosmetic. I collect all senche related stuff. Why? Because I like them. This is part of my experience in the game. I even stood by them when the crates were introduced, because I could eventually get what I wanted with a minimum price. This is my hobby, and right now I'm not pleased. I will continue to voice my displeasure with this. I have spent over a thousand dollars on this game, not bragging here so give me some slack. I have spent over a thousand dollars in real money, and the return on that money is getting smaller. I don't play any other games that I would normally have spent money on so it kinda evens out. I bought crates until I had enough gems to buy the mount or pet that I wanted. So I knew that if I spent x amount I would eventually get the item I wanted. This crosses the line for me. I have subbed since xbox launch, I've bought crowns over those years. I bought several houses and furnishings from the store. Bought all senche mounts. I bought an expansion that was nothing more than a dlc. All this time I haven't complained about spending rlm on this game, until now. I play how I want and my priorities are different from yours, so while they may be cosmetic to you, it's part of the experience for me and others like me. I would never tell anyone what they should or shouldn't be upset over, everyone has a different focus.3 -
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✭✭✭Seems like the rng gremlins really, really like nix hounds.
Too bad the super ultra rare mounts can't be bought with gems....
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/354736/this-is-either-a-bug-or-a-scam-you-decide-zos#latest
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Idylliqe✭✭✭Stopnaggin wrote: »Mephisto939 wrote: »For the love of god people, it's just a cosmetic skin. The ultra rare horse is almost indistinguishable from the 400 crown one. No one is putting a gun to your head.
I bought an expansion that was nothing more than a dlc. All this time I haven't complained about spending rlm on this game, until now. I play how I want and my priorities are different from yours, so while they may be cosmetic to you, it's part of the experience for me and others like me. I would never tell anyone what they should or shouldn't be upset over, everyone has a different focus.
Finally someone said it.... I feel like this is literally a DLC and I stopped subscribing because I was annoyed about paying another $40 for Morrowind. This crown crate issue is just another money grab reason why they need to re-evaluate the system. People keep telling us to stop complaining, but why? Why not voice our concerns?NA PS4
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Tenet 1: Never dishonor the Night Mother. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis.
Tenet 2: Never betray the Dark Brotherhood or its secrets. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis.
Tenet 3: Never disobey or refuse to carry out an order from a Dark Brotherhood superior. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis.
Tenet 4: Never steal the possessions of a Dark Brother or Dark Sister. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis.
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✭ThePaleItalian wrote: »Yet all the sheep with the nostalgia glasses for Morrowind will buy them up.
Not exactly sure what items that "all the sheep with nostalgia glasses for Morrowind" would want. And I'm one of the "sheep" apparently. About the only thing that would be "nostalgia glasses" would be if they had a giant walking dwemer crossbow. Those were outside one of the dwemer ruins in the original version. I admit I'm still having fun and finding stuff linking the single player original Morrowind to Zos's version.
I have senche and cats issues. They are worse than pokemon for me. I have no willpower when it comes to the senches and cats that are for outright sale in the crown store. I would like to add the dwemer versions of the senche and wolf, but as long as they are clown crate only I won't do that. I do not want to show any support for exclusive items in the clown crates.
Yes you are. You paid 40$ for a "chapter" and you know why, because it was Morrowind. You know, the DLC with half the map unavailable, half the buildings and ruins you cant enter, but hey at least battlegrounds are working right?
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✭khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »
Yep. Within the body of my post I mentioned speaking with your wallet as a valid way to enact change. Just trying to keep syllables to a minimum in my Cliff Note version.Edited by Feric51 on June 22, 2017 7:12PMFeric51
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Arundo✭✭✭✭✭Thanks ZOS for curing me from this crown crate addiction, I got the items from the previous crates because eventually with my rotten RNG luck I got enough gems to get everything. But now you changed to these mounts which can only be obtained by RNG luck. I'm not even going to try to get these things anymore.
So thanks and a big *** YOU ZOS.7 -
rjorjoSoul ShrivenI don't know how people can be surprised by sleazy cashgrabs in a game where the developer intentionally makes a broken inventory system and then tells you they can fix it if you cough up a monthly fee. That basically a mob-style extortion racket and in my opinion far sleazier than anything they do with loot boxes, but since people put up with it of course they're going to keep pushing the limits. I don't think they really plan this game to be around for the long haul, so they're milking the rubes for all they're worth while the going is good.2
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Idylliqe✭✭✭I don't know how people can be surprised by sleazy cashgrabs in a game where the developer intentionally makes a broken inventory system and then tells you they can fix it if you cough up a monthly fee. That basically a mob-style extortion racket and in my opinion far sleazier than anything they do with loot boxes, but since people put up with it of course they're going to keep pushing the limits. I don't think they really plan this game to be around for the long haul, so they're milking the rubes for all they're worth while the going is good.
I don't know if its so much that I'm "surprised"..... Just sadNA PS4
Stamina Nightblade"Sweet Mother, Sweet Mother, send your child unto me, for the sins of the unworthy must be baptized in blood and fear."
Tenet 1: Never dishonor the Night Mother. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis.
Tenet 2: Never betray the Dark Brotherhood or its secrets. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis.
Tenet 3: Never disobey or refuse to carry out an order from a Dark Brotherhood superior. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis.
Tenet 4: Never steal the possessions of a Dark Brother or Dark Sister. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis.
Tenet 5: Never kill a Dark Brother or Dark Sister. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis.2 -
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✭✭Yes, the wording implies the "special" mounts aren't normal clown crate items.
In addition to the Apex rewards listed above, you may also reveal one of these very rare mounts, which are currently only obtainable as a reward from a Dwarven Crown Crate:
Adamat Dwarven Horse, Ebon Dwarven Senche & Vitrine Dwarven Wolf
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2017/06/21/introducing-the-dwarven-crown-crate-season
Considering the rng for normal clown crates, the "very rare" will probably be even more astronomical rng odds to get.
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JKorr✭✭✭✭✭
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The "chapter" could have been Elsweyr, or Blackmarsh and I would have still bought it. Expansions/new areas, new quests, a new class...ThePaleItalian wrote: »ThePaleItalian wrote: »Yet all the sheep with the nostalgia glasses for Morrowind will buy them up.
Not exactly sure what items that "all the sheep with nostalgia glasses for Morrowind" would want. And I'm one of the "sheep" apparently. About the only thing that would be "nostalgia glasses" would be if they had a giant walking dwemer crossbow. Those were outside one of the dwemer ruins in the original version. I admit I'm still having fun and finding stuff linking the single player original Morrowind to Zos's version.
I have senche and cats issues. They are worse than pokemon for me. I have no willpower when it comes to the senches and cats that are for outright sale in the crown store. I would like to add the dwemer versions of the senche and wolf, but as long as they are clown crate only I won't do that. I do not want to show any support for exclusive items in the clown crates.
Yes you are. You paid 40$ for a "chapter" and you know why, because it was Morrowind. You know, the DLC with half the map unavailable, half the buildings and ruins you cant enter, but hey at least battlegrounds are working right?
Let's see.... First thing; I have no interest in, and haven't even attempted to bother with battlegrounds. Battlegrounds could be cut from it and I'd still be satisfied. I have an intense dislike of pvp and avoid it. I thought, going from what's posted on the forums, battlegrounds weren't working correctly, but I'd never know from personal experience.
I explore and quest. I still haven't found all the tombs, or the quests, or covered the currently accessible parts of the map. I have, however, found the not a vampire yet, not the leader of the vampire clan yet, npc that, in the original Morrowind, I had to hunt down and kill because she was the head of a vampire clan and I needed her blood. I ran into an ordinator who had a journal of his trials and tribulations as a vampire, and how he wanted a chance at a cure...original Morrowind I had to hunt down his journal to find out how to cure vampirism... Original Morrowind a mage who wanted to be a necromancer sent me on a hunt for a skull from an ancestral tomb...I met the living owner of that skull, and watched him get a promotion from Vivec.... Honestly, I have no issues paying for the chapter/expansion of the area. More content is supposed to be released for Morrowind. More stuff to explore. I still won't touch the battlegrounds though.
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JahneeO✭✭✭If you think that overall the forums are "unbelievable," stop coming here.
I never said the forums are unbelievable, I stated that the tone people take in some posts is unbelievable. Quite the contrary, I find a lot of the posts on the forum very helpful. And I probably do visit too much while I am at work.If you think that there's no value in voicing one's opinion, don't post a reply yourself.Tavore1138 wrote: »So... you came to express your opinion that other people should not express opinions?
I am all for people expressing their opinion, after all that is what I did. I took the issue at hand and expressed my explanation/opinion of why it is the way it is. I even provided a solution or end game, if you will, for issues that one might find not to their liking.
Continuing to complain, season after season, about the Crown Crates is not a solution. It is, rather, self-defeating.
ZoS is going to continue to do what they see fit with the Crown Store. End of story.
(insert Beating a Dead Horse meme here.)
We are only in control of our own actions.
And to totally butcher a quote from somebody along the way:
"The definition of insanity is to continue doing the same thing, over and over, expecting a different result."Tavore1138 wrote: »That's some weird kinda logic you got going on in that there head of yours boy (or girl).
Actually, I thought my logic was pretty sound. I provided further explanation above. But, this is somewhat of an example of the toxic tone you can get on these forums every now and again. Luckily, I am far too old to worry about getting insulted by anything on the internet.
Anyhoo, play to have fun; don't participate in what you don't care for.
Thanks for the feedback guys.
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More so as its just an simple recolor of existing as I can see.BlackSparrow wrote: »I'm wondering how many people they actually expect to try for these special mounts, to make this play worth the bad karma. I have no problem putting down big chunks of money on this game, but even I balk at just how much it would take to have any sort of chance of winning a specific rare mount out of an RNG box. That's, like, "vacation in Paris" amounts of money. No, ZOS. Just no. This whale is not interested in your blatant whale-bait.
Someone needs to tell upper management--or whoever is making these decisions--that player goodwill is KEY to keeping people playing and paying, and cash grabs this absurd are going to test even the most loyal and forgiving of players.
Something who take just some minutes to make.
Note that chance of getting them is probably very low.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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Actually, I thought my logic was pretty sound. I provided further explanation above. But, this is somewhat of an example of the toxic tone you can get on these forums every now and again. Luckily, I am far too old to worry about getting insulted by anything on the internet.
Anyhoo, play to have fun; don't participate in what you don't care for.
Thanks for the feedback guys.
You are ignoring that what you define as fun is not the same as everybody does. Things that are locked inside the crate might be what is needed for someone to have fun in the game.
You say, "don't participate in what you don't care for". People care for what is in the crates, they don't care for the system itself. It is different, see?
Your logic is pretty sound... For people who draw enjoyment from the game on the same way as you do. That is not true for every player, however, and that's why your logic doesn't work for the player base as a whole.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I got the glowing sweet roll and Dwarven Wolf mount all within 15 crates. I'm tempted to buy another 15 in hopes of 1 of the 3 secret rares. Right now Auridon is lit.
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✭✭If you think that overall the forums are "unbelievable," stop coming here.
I never said the forums are unbelievable, I stated that the tone people take in some posts is unbelievable. Quite the contrary, I find a lot of the posts on the forum very helpful. And I probably do visit too much while I am at work.If you think that there's no value in voicing one's opinion, don't post a reply yourself.Tavore1138 wrote: »So... you came to express your opinion that other people should not express opinions?
I am all for people expressing their opinion, after all that is what I did. I took the issue at hand and expressed my explanation/opinion of why it is the way it is. I even provided a solution or end game, if you will, for issues that one might find not to their liking.
Continuing to complain, season after season, about the Crown Crates is not a solution. It is, rather, self-defeating.
ZoS is going to continue to do what they see fit with the Crown Store. End of story.
(insert Beating a Dead Horse meme here.)
We are only in control of our own actions.
And to totally butcher a quote from somebody along the way:
"The definition of insanity is to continue doing the same thing, over and over, expecting a different result."Tavore1138 wrote: »That's some weird kinda logic you got going on in that there head of yours boy (or girl).
Actually, I thought my logic was pretty sound. I provided further explanation above. But, this is somewhat of an example of the toxic tone you can get on these forums every now and again. Luckily, I am far too old to worry about getting insulted by anything on the internet.
Anyhoo, play to have fun; don't participate in what you don't care for.
Thanks for the feedback guys.
To be clear - I'm noy complaining about every season of crown crates, I have never liked the idea but have participated because the previous version have allowed for a defined, if variable, end point where you have obtained sufficient gems to buy all wanted rewards.
This 'season' is different in that they have removed the finite spend. There is also no clear explanation on what happens were you to gain a second duplicate ultra-apex mount - do they give you one of the other 2 or do you effectively lose your golden ticket and get a few dozen crown gems which would make getting all 3 a huge rng.
I have willingly bought 4, 5 or 6, possibly more sets of the first two season because I wanted the mounts but this, to me, seems just a step too far.
And I am rather surprised you feel insulted as the intent was simply gentle mockery but it is possible for these things to come across wrong especially on a board with speakers of many languages.
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staracino_ESO✭✭✭✭You guys should look up Jim Sterling on youtube, specifically his episode titled 'Take-Two Isn’t Making Enough Money From You'.
If you have not heard of him before, his humor or showmanship may be a turn-off, but he has pretty solid points to his argument. The episode is specifically about the company Take-Two, but everything he says can be applied to any game company, including ZOS, and he says as much in his video.
I won't post a link because profanity etc. etc.0 -
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✭✭✭Just when I thought these crown crates couldn't be any more predatory, there are now hidden special mounts that are not under the listed rewards on front page, and thus not available for crown gems. If you go to Preview once clicking on the crown crates in store, you will see three additional mounts to the six Dwarven ones: Adamant Dwarven Horse, Ebon Dwarven Senche, and Vitrine Wolf (spelling might be off, going from memory). These do in fact exist as part of this crown crate season, I saw someone already lucky enough to have one.
I do not recall hidden special mounts in any of the previous crown crates seasons. ZO$ keeps coming up with new and improved ways to take advantage of those with gambling issues and/or who are mount collectors. Being able to buy the apex mounts outright with crown gems if you failed enough times at getting one was somewhat acceptable, but for there to be these hidden special mounts that are only available through RNG? Just sickening - a new low in the cash grab effort.
yes, crown crates gambles are really dumb f*********, all the items should be returned to crown store, no limited time offers, no gamble sh****** crates, that is so funny, so many people would buy in crown store then, I bet 100 times more than the ones, that are doing the risky game with crown crates. how can zos not understand this???
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✭Tavore1138 wrote: »If you think that overall the forums are "unbelievable," stop coming here.
I never said the forums are unbelievable, I stated that the tone people take in some posts is unbelievable. Quite the contrary, I find a lot of the posts on the forum very helpful. And I probably do visit too much while I am at work.If you think that there's no value in voicing one's opinion, don't post a reply yourself.Tavore1138 wrote: »So... you came to express your opinion that other people should not express opinions?
I am all for people expressing their opinion, after all that is what I did. I took the issue at hand and expressed my explanation/opinion of why it is the way it is. I even provided a solution or end game, if you will, for issues that one might find not to their liking.
Continuing to complain, season after season, about the Crown Crates is not a solution. It is, rather, self-defeating.
ZoS is going to continue to do what they see fit with the Crown Store. End of story.
(insert Beating a Dead Horse meme here.)
We are only in control of our own actions.
And to totally butcher a quote from somebody along the way:
"The definition of insanity is to continue doing the same thing, over and over, expecting a different result."Tavore1138 wrote: »That's some weird kinda logic you got going on in that there head of yours boy (or girl).
Actually, I thought my logic was pretty sound. I provided further explanation above. But, this is somewhat of an example of the toxic tone you can get on these forums every now and again. Luckily, I am far too old to worry about getting insulted by anything on the internet.
Anyhoo, play to have fun; don't participate in what you don't care for.
Thanks for the feedback guys.
To be clear - I'm noy complaining about every season of crown crates, I have never liked the idea but have participated because the previous version have allowed for a defined, if variable, end point where you have obtained sufficient gems to buy all wanted rewards.
This 'season' is different in that they have removed the finite spend. There is also no clear explanation on what happens were you to gain a second duplicate ultra-apex mount - do they give you one of the other 2 or do you effectively lose your golden ticket and get a few dozen crown gems which would make getting all 3 a huge rng.
I have willingly bought 4, 5 or 6, possibly more sets of the first two season because I wanted the mounts but this, to me, seems just a step too far.
And I am rather surprised you feel insulted as the intent was simply gentle mockery but it is possible for these things to come across wrong especially on a board with speakers of many languages.
Finally someone gets it. I had no problem buying crates, because you knew at some point you would be able to get the mount or item you wanted. I'm not going into the full blown anti crown crates rant like alot of others. I enjoyed the anticipation that came with buying crates. And while I can afford to buy some I'm not sure if I will. Not because of some moral stance, I think I've finally hit the point where enough is enough. I've dumped over a grand into eso, but this is just a bit much. I've stood behind then at every turn but I can't this time.2 -
Moglijuana✭✭✭✭✭I think ppl should be more upset at the state of Morrowind vs new Crown Crates. Like seriously, Morrowind is probably the biggest ripoff I've ever spent my money on in any video game. I guess that explains the Crown Crate move though...gota make up for their losses somewhere.Edited by Moglijuana on June 22, 2017 9:36PM4 -
Chalinal✭✭✭Tavore1138 wrote: »People need to get over the hate for crown creates. Every mmo that is b2p or f2p has them. If you don't like them then shut up and don't buy them. At least eso has no p2w Insta max lol or 80% of the game locked behind a pay wall like most mmos.
To some folks, you get more enjoyment about having an awesome mount/pet/costume and looking just right as you adventure than any type of max level or BiS gear. If they put the BiS gear behind there, I bet plenty would be mad (as they should), but many would also have less to complain about (those who don't care about BiS super powerful gear)
If BiS gear were available any other way except through the game people would be upset. Gear changes game play mounts do not. What you ride doesn't have any affect on other players in the game. A top notch sword could.
You see, you are assuming people play the game the same way as you, and that they give value to the same things you do. This assumption is false.
A cosmetic item can very well change someone's enjoyment of the game, and that is game-changing enough to make this kind of people upset.
Yeah, this poster gets it... I collect the mounts, I don't know why, I don't use more than 9 at a time (you know... 1 per character)... but I have done that since the game came out and even with the past two seasons of crates I have sucked up the cost to get them because the costs were finite. With this lot I just don't know if I can do it... or if I want to do it...
And you know... once I have missed 1,2 or 3 mounts from my collection it is no longer complete so for season 4 crates or the next 4k kagouti reskin the question becomes... 'why bother'? My collection will never again be complete so the motivation to keep working on it goes and the chances are ZOS end up with less of my money... that's where too much greed always falls down sooner or later...
We are in EXACTLY the same boat. I have been playing since day 1 and have EVERY mount AND pet in the game to date (not including dwarven crown crate items, which I am conflicted about buying due to the new issue of special mounts that you can't get with crown gems). When crown crates first came out, I was pissed because now I have to (to continue my collection, I know I'm not forced) gamble for all the mounts and pets that I would just rather buy outright. I sucked it up to continue my collection, knowing that at least I could buy them eventually with crown gems when I gathered enough from exchanging all the other crap they fill the crown crates with. Now, there are three that I just have to hope RNG gives me? No matter how much money I throw, there is still a chance at not getting them at all because they can't be bought with crown gems. Crown gems were ZO$'s bandaid to covering how disgusting and predatory this practice is, now they ripped it off and it is oozing.
With the thought of never being able to complete and continue my collection due to these new hidden/special mounts locked in the crown crates, why even bother trying? ZO$ has hundreds of my dollars already, on top of being a sub since day 1 and having other DLCs and Morrowind. The only reason I bought new mounts and pets, and eventually crown crates, was to continue my collection. I only ride like three of the mounts and use a few of the pets. It was purely for collection. Now that the collection will have to be based on RNG for completion, I have no desire to continue it or buy any future mounts and pets. That is a complete halt of ZO$ cash flow in the crown store from me, which was a considerable amount. If that is the same for other loyal collectors out there, they are going to be losing way more with this decision than gaining.- @Chalinal
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Livvy✭✭✭✭✭It is just so saddening to me to have items that no matter how much money you put in, you could still never get.
It was a lousy system to begin with, yes. But at least you knew at some point you would be able to get the item you wanted, if it was worth it to you to spend to get it.
This is just so incredibly disappointing that they would go this route.
If the item you want cannot be bought with gems, I guess you shouldn't even bother anymore.->--Willow--<-1 -
grim_tactics✭✭✭✭✭Moglijuana wrote: »I think ppl should be more upset at the state of Morrowind vs new Crown Crates. Like seriously, Morrowind is probably the biggest ripoff I've ever spent my money on in any video game. I guess that explains the Crown Crate move though...gota make up for their losses somewhere.
What losses?
They introduced a DLC that brought more people to the game than any other expansion/DLC they've ever done and did so at a higher price than should be, and with a main quest that can be completed in 1 night.
They're just rolling in cash while the game as a whole regresses.
They threw the name Morrowind on the box just to bring in the nastalgia players.
This expansion is a slap in the face to what Morrowind was.Edited by grim_tactics on June 23, 2017 12:41AM0 -
aisriyth_ESO✭✭✭Tavore1138 wrote: »People need to get over the hate for crown creates. Every mmo that is b2p or f2p has them. If you don't like them then shut up and don't buy them. At least eso has no p2w Insta max lol or 80% of the game locked behind a pay wall like most mmos.
To some folks, you get more enjoyment about having an awesome mount/pet/costume and looking just right as you adventure than any type of max level or BiS gear. If they put the BiS gear behind there, I bet plenty would be mad (as they should), but many would also have less to complain about (those who don't care about BiS super powerful gear)
If BiS gear were available any other way except through the game people would be upset. Gear changes game play mounts do not. What you ride doesn't have any affect on other players in the game. A top notch sword could.
You see, you are assuming people play the game the same way as you, and that they give value to the same things you do. This assumption is false.
A cosmetic item can very well change someone's enjoyment of the game, and that is game-changing enough to make this kind of people upset.
Yeah, this poster gets it... I collect the mounts, I don't know why, I don't use more than 9 at a time (you know... 1 per character)... but I have done that since the game came out and even with the past two seasons of crates I have sucked up the cost to get them because the costs were finite. With this lot I just don't know if I can do it... or if I want to do it...
And you know... once I have missed 1,2 or 3 mounts from my collection it is no longer complete so for season 4 crates or the next 4k kagouti reskin the question becomes... 'why bother'? My collection will never again be complete so the motivation to keep working on it goes and the chances are ZOS end up with less of my money... that's where too much greed always falls down sooner or later...
We are in EXACTLY the same boat. I have been playing since day 1 and have EVERY mount AND pet in the game to date (not including dwarven crown crate items, which I am conflicted about buying due to the new issue of special mounts that you can't get with crown gems). When crown crates first came out, I was pissed because now I have to (to continue my collection, I know I'm not forced) gamble for all the mounts and pets that I would just rather buy outright. I sucked it up to continue my collection, knowing that at least I could buy them eventually with crown gems when I gathered enough from exchanging all the other crap they fill the crown crates with. Now, there are three that I just have to hope RNG gives me? No matter how much money I throw, there is still a chance at not getting them at all because they can't be bought with crown gems. Crown gems were ZO$'s bandaid to covering how disgusting and predatory this practice is, now they ripped it off and it is oozing.
With the thought of never being able to complete and continue my collection due to these new hidden/special mounts locked in the crown crates, why even bother trying? ZO$ has hundreds of my dollars already, on top of being a sub since day 1 and having other DLCs and Morrowind. The only reason I bought new mounts and pets, and eventually crown crates, was to continue my collection. I only ride like three of the mounts and use a few of the pets. It was purely for collection. Now that the collection will have to be based on RNG for completion, I have no desire to continue it or buy any future mounts and pets. That is a complete halt of ZO$ cash flow in the crown store from me, which was a considerable amount. If that is the same for other loyal collectors out there, they are going to be losing way more with this decision than gaining.
Right there with you man. I've bought everything, as a completionist and a collector its just what i do. This could really damage my collection and if it does so it will prevent me from spending $$ in the future.
I wasn't opposed to crates with gems, but this? this is just wrong. At least announce for sure they will be available later so we don't hate ourselves right now.3
