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  • AzraelKrieg
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    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    Please, no.

    vRoM and vCoS are the last challenging dungeons for decent players. And by challenging I mean fun. While doing other dungeons, I'm bored to death.

    That's all well and good for you, but maybe other people who are far from the grindstone cap want to be able to play this dungeon without getting ***.

    Since when everything has to be done by everyone? That is why there are normal modes as well.

    I understand your frustration and that it can be hard for low level (low CP) players, but please leave some content for good players as well. Because someday, when you improve your build etc., you will be pissed when there will be no challenging 4-man content left for you.

    And one more thing: 3 good players are enough to get this done on vet without hard mode. If you want so much to complete it now, try to find a better group then. Maybe a group of friends.

    Keep in mind that there a far more of us mid to low lvl cp players than capped players. How is it fair to 70% of the game who want to be able to complete this with moderate challenge when it's ungodly to us?

    Progression

    Honestly, that answer sucks.

    It might suck but that is the answer
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  • F3arM0d3
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    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    Please, no.

    vRoM and vCoS are the last challenging dungeons for decent players. And by challenging I mean fun. While doing other dungeons, I'm bored to death.

    That's all well and good for you, but maybe other people who are far from the grindstone cap want to be able to play this dungeon without getting ***.

    Since when everything has to be done by everyone? That is why there are normal modes as well.

    I understand your frustration and that it can be hard for low level (low CP) players, but please leave some content for good players as well. Because someday, when you improve your build etc., you will be pissed when there will be no challenging 4-man content left for you.

    And one more thing: 3 good players are enough to get this done on vet without hard mode. If you want so much to complete it now, try to find a better group then. Maybe a group of friends.

    Keep in mind that there a far more of us mid to low lvl cp players than capped players. How is it fair to 70% of the game who want to be able to complete this with moderate challenge when it's ungodly to us?

    Progression

    Honestly, that answer sucks.

    It might suck but that is the answer

    In your opinion. Which is only valid to you and those who agree with you.
    Daggerfall Covenant - Xbox One (NA Server)

    Orc Dragonknight - Lvl. 50
    High Elf Templar - Lvl. 50
    Dark Elf Nightblade - Lvl. 50
    Breton Warden - Lvl. 50

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  • Voxicity
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    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    Please, no.

    vRoM and vCoS are the last challenging dungeons for decent players. And by challenging I mean fun. While doing other dungeons, I'm bored to death.

    That's all well and good for you, but maybe other people who are far from the grindstone cap want to be able to play this dungeon without getting ***.

    Since when everything has to be done by everyone? That is why there are normal modes as well.

    I understand your frustration and that it can be hard for low level (low CP) players, but please leave some content for good players as well. Because someday, when you improve your build etc., you will be pissed when there will be no challenging 4-man content left for you.

    And one more thing: 3 good players are enough to get this done on vet without hard mode. If you want so much to complete it now, try to find a better group then. Maybe a group of friends.

    Keep in mind that there a far more of us mid to low lvl cp players than capped players. How is it fair to 70% of the game who want to be able to complete this with moderate challenge when it's ungodly to us?

    Progression

    Honestly, that answer sucks.

    How does it suck? The whole point of playing an MMORPG is progressing your character/group. People who are able to clear these difficult dungeons didn't just walk into it and clear it with ease. It takes time, as it should do.
  • Voxicity
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    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    Please, no.

    vRoM and vCoS are the last challenging dungeons for decent players. And by challenging I mean fun. While doing other dungeons, I'm bored to death.

    That's all well and good for you, but maybe other people who are far from the grindstone cap want to be able to play this dungeon without getting ***.

    Since when everything has to be done by everyone? That is why there are normal modes as well.

    I understand your frustration and that it can be hard for low level (low CP) players, but please leave some content for good players as well. Because someday, when you improve your build etc., you will be pissed when there will be no challenging 4-man content left for you.

    And one more thing: 3 good players are enough to get this done on vet without hard mode. If you want so much to complete it now, try to find a better group then. Maybe a group of friends.

    Keep in mind that there a far more of us mid to low lvl cp players than capped players. How is it fair to 70% of the game who want to be able to complete this with moderate challenge when it's ungodly to us?

    Progression

    Honestly, that answer sucks.

    It might suck but that is the answer

    In your opinion. Which is only valid to you and those who agree with you.

    AKA 95% of the playerbase
  • F3arM0d3
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    Voxicity wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    Please, no.

    vRoM and vCoS are the last challenging dungeons for decent players. And by challenging I mean fun. While doing other dungeons, I'm bored to death.

    That's all well and good for you, but maybe other people who are far from the grindstone cap want to be able to play this dungeon without getting ***.

    Since when everything has to be done by everyone? That is why there are normal modes as well.

    I understand your frustration and that it can be hard for low level (low CP) players, but please leave some content for good players as well. Because someday, when you improve your build etc., you will be pissed when there will be no challenging 4-man content left for you.

    And one more thing: 3 good players are enough to get this done on vet without hard mode. If you want so much to complete it now, try to find a better group then. Maybe a group of friends.

    Keep in mind that there a far more of us mid to low lvl cp players than capped players. How is it fair to 70% of the game who want to be able to complete this with moderate challenge when it's ungodly to us?

    Progression

    Honestly, that answer sucks.

    How does it suck? The whole point of playing an MMORPG is progressing your character/group. People who are able to clear these difficult dungeons didn't just walk into it and clear it with ease. It takes time, as it should do.

    I agree. But you should not have to be near cap in order to do something. That's not progression, it's a player block for those who struggle or do not have the time.
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    Orc Dragonknight - Lvl. 50
    High Elf Templar - Lvl. 50
    Dark Elf Nightblade - Lvl. 50
    Breton Warden - Lvl. 50

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  • Darlon
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    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    Please, no.

    vRoM and vCoS are the last challenging dungeons for decent players. And by challenging I mean fun. While doing other dungeons, I'm bored to death.

    That's all well and good for you, but maybe other people who are far from the grindstone cap want to be able to play this dungeon without getting ***.

    Since when everything has to be done by everyone? That is why there are normal modes as well.

    I understand your frustration and that it can be hard for low level (low CP) players, but please leave some content for good players as well. Because someday, when you improve your build etc., you will be pissed when there will be no challenging 4-man content left for you.

    And one more thing: 3 good players are enough to get this done on vet without hard mode. If you want so much to complete it now, try to find a better group then. Maybe a group of friends.

    Keep in mind that there a far more of us mid to low lvl cp players than capped players. How is it fair to 70% of the game who want to be able to complete this with moderate challenge when it's ungodly to us?

    And all of those will get higher in time in which the content will get easier... leave a bit for the higher spectrum will ya ?? there's plenty already that is very easy to do at all levels... Right now 90% of the content is of that last category...
    Edited by Darlon on June 21, 2017 11:06AM
  • Voxicity
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    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    Please, no.

    vRoM and vCoS are the last challenging dungeons for decent players. And by challenging I mean fun. While doing other dungeons, I'm bored to death.

    That's all well and good for you, but maybe other people who are far from the grindstone cap want to be able to play this dungeon without getting ***.

    Since when everything has to be done by everyone? That is why there are normal modes as well.

    I understand your frustration and that it can be hard for low level (low CP) players, but please leave some content for good players as well. Because someday, when you improve your build etc., you will be pissed when there will be no challenging 4-man content left for you.

    And one more thing: 3 good players are enough to get this done on vet without hard mode. If you want so much to complete it now, try to find a better group then. Maybe a group of friends.

    Keep in mind that there a far more of us mid to low lvl cp players than capped players. How is it fair to 70% of the game who want to be able to complete this with moderate challenge when it's ungodly to us?

    Progression

    Honestly, that answer sucks.

    How does it suck? The whole point of playing an MMORPG is progressing your character/group. People who are able to clear these difficult dungeons didn't just walk into it and clear it with ease. It takes time, as it should do.

    I agree. But you should not have to be near cap in order to do something. That's not progression, it's a player block for those who struggle or do not have the time.

    You don't have to be anywhere near cap. We ran with a 280cp healer and he ended up getting the amberplasm skin after running with us a few times.
  • Tyrion87
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    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    Please, no.

    vRoM and vCoS are the last challenging dungeons for decent players. And by challenging I mean fun. While doing other dungeons, I'm bored to death.

    That's all well and good for you, but maybe other people who are far from the grindstone cap want to be able to play this dungeon without getting ***.

    Since when everything has to be done by everyone? That is why there are normal modes as well.

    I understand your frustration and that it can be hard for low level (low CP) players, but please leave some content for good players as well. Because someday, when you improve your build etc., you will be pissed when there will be no challenging 4-man content left for you.

    And one more thing: 3 good players are enough to get this done on vet without hard mode. If you want so much to complete it now, try to find a better group then. Maybe a group of friends.

    Keep in mind that there a far more of us mid to low lvl cp players than capped players. How is it fair to 70% of the game who want to be able to complete this with moderate challenge when it's ungodly to us?

    You want to speak on behalf of "70% of the playerbase"? If so, you're wrong. Some of my friends are below 300 CP and I do this dungeon with them on a regular basis (with HM) in less than 20 min. So I can guarantee that you don't need to be at the CP cap to be able to do this.
  • Tan9oSuccka
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    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    Please, no.

    vRoM and vCoS are the last challenging dungeons for decent players. And by challenging I mean fun. While doing other dungeons, I'm bored to death.

    That's all well and good for you, but maybe other people who are far from the grindstone cap want to be able to play this dungeon without getting ***.

    I don't think its intended for you to run Vet Mazzatun at CP120. Maybe stick to Normal?

    Personally, I never run it with pugs. Plus the rewards are not worth the time.
  • Voxicity
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    Honestly after reading your own comments on this thread it seems to me that you may not be of a high enough skill level to clear this dungeon. All I'm hearing are excuses and assumptions which simply are not true at all. Perhaps you should try running the base game dungeons, then IC dungeons and then try the SoTH ones :)
  • F3arM0d3
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    Voxicity wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    Please, no.

    vRoM and vCoS are the last challenging dungeons for decent players. And by challenging I mean fun. While doing other dungeons, I'm bored to death.

    That's all well and good for you, but maybe other people who are far from the grindstone cap want to be able to play this dungeon without getting ***.

    Since when everything has to be done by everyone? That is why there are normal modes as well.

    I understand your frustration and that it can be hard for low level (low CP) players, but please leave some content for good players as well. Because someday, when you improve your build etc., you will be pissed when there will be no challenging 4-man content left for you.

    And one more thing: 3 good players are enough to get this done on vet without hard mode. If you want so much to complete it now, try to find a better group then. Maybe a group of friends.

    Keep in mind that there a far more of us mid to low lvl cp players than capped players. How is it fair to 70% of the game who want to be able to complete this with moderate challenge when it's ungodly to us?

    Progression

    Honestly, that answer sucks.

    It might suck but that is the answer

    In your opinion. Which is only valid to you and those who agree with you.

    AKA 95% of the playerbase
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    Please, no.

    vRoM and vCoS are the last challenging dungeons for decent players. And by challenging I mean fun. While doing other dungeons, I'm bored to death.

    That's all well and good for you, but maybe other people who are far from the grindstone cap want to be able to play this dungeon without getting ***.

    Since when everything has to be done by everyone? That is why there are normal modes as well.

    I understand your frustration and that it can be hard for low level (low CP) players, but please leave some content for good players as well. Because someday, when you improve your build etc., you will be pissed when there will be no challenging 4-man content left for you.

    And one more thing: 3 good players are enough to get this done on vet without hard mode. If you want so much to complete it now, try to find a better group then. Maybe a group of friends.

    Keep in mind that there a far more of us mid to low lvl cp players than capped players. How is it fair to 70% of the game who want to be able to complete this with moderate challenge when it's ungodly to us?

    You want to speak on behalf of "70% of the playerbase"? If so, you're wrong. Some of my friends are below 300 CP and I do this dungeon with them on a regular basis (with HM) in less than 20 min. So I can guarantee that you don't need to be at the CP cap to be able to do this.

    Daggerfall Covenant - Xbox One (NA Server)

    Orc Dragonknight - Lvl. 50
    High Elf Templar - Lvl. 50
    Dark Elf Nightblade - Lvl. 50
    Breton Warden - Lvl. 50

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  • RoyJade
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    But if I understand, you are suggesting lowering the hard content in order to give it to the majority ? That's mean high level players won't have anything left, you know ? It's almost as selfish -is not more- than those who say "we want everything to be harder, we don't care about low-mid players".

    This dungeon is builded to be an endgame challenge. If you want the endgame hard content reward, do the hard content. If you can't, perhaps these rewards are not -yet- for you ?
    You can do everything in the game, only the endgame rewards are out of reach until you're optimized. Mid level player can run all the content. You can run all the content. Everyone can find what they want. If you want to suppress endgame content, why not suppressing mid-level content, and give all the game the same difficulty as vRoM ? It would be ridiculous, for the same reason that your ask is. Majority, minority ? That's not a reason. Most content are for the majority, but one part (a little part, but still something) is for the minority.
  • Voxicity
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    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    Please, no.

    vRoM and vCoS are the last challenging dungeons for decent players. And by challenging I mean fun. While doing other dungeons, I'm bored to death.

    That's all well and good for you, but maybe other people who are far from the grindstone cap want to be able to play this dungeon without getting ***.

    Since when everything has to be done by everyone? That is why there are normal modes as well.

    I understand your frustration and that it can be hard for low level (low CP) players, but please leave some content for good players as well. Because someday, when you improve your build etc., you will be pissed when there will be no challenging 4-man content left for you.

    And one more thing: 3 good players are enough to get this done on vet without hard mode. If you want so much to complete it now, try to find a better group then. Maybe a group of friends.

    Keep in mind that there a far more of us mid to low lvl cp players than capped players. How is it fair to 70% of the game who want to be able to complete this with moderate challenge when it's ungodly to us?

    Progression

    Honestly, that answer sucks.

    It might suck but that is the answer

    In your opinion. Which is only valid to you and those who agree with you.

    AKA 95% of the playerbase
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    Please, no.

    vRoM and vCoS are the last challenging dungeons for decent players. And by challenging I mean fun. While doing other dungeons, I'm bored to death.

    That's all well and good for you, but maybe other people who are far from the grindstone cap want to be able to play this dungeon without getting ***.

    Since when everything has to be done by everyone? That is why there are normal modes as well.

    I understand your frustration and that it can be hard for low level (low CP) players, but please leave some content for good players as well. Because someday, when you improve your build etc., you will be pissed when there will be no challenging 4-man content left for you.

    And one more thing: 3 good players are enough to get this done on vet without hard mode. If you want so much to complete it now, try to find a better group then. Maybe a group of friends.

    Keep in mind that there a far more of us mid to low lvl cp players than capped players. How is it fair to 70% of the game who want to be able to complete this with moderate challenge when it's ungodly to us?

    You want to speak on behalf of "70% of the playerbase"? If so, you're wrong. Some of my friends are below 300 CP and I do this dungeon with them on a regular basis (with HM) in less than 20 min. So I can guarantee that you don't need to be at the CP cap to be able to do this.

    Point scoring doesn't work when the one you're trying to score against uses an absurdly high and fake statistic ironically in response to your own that was plucked out of the air :)
  • F3arM0d3
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    Voxicity wrote: »
    Honestly after reading your own comments on this thread it seems to me that you may not be of a high enough skill level to clear this dungeon. All I'm hearing are excuses and assumptions which simply are not true at all. Perhaps you should try running the base game dungeons, then IC dungeons and then try the SoTH ones :)

    My skill is fine. My tank has 40k HP unbuffed and is capped on resistances. My healer crits for 12k on basic spells and on staff. I have plenty of food.
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    Orc Dragonknight - Lvl. 50
    High Elf Templar - Lvl. 50
    Dark Elf Nightblade - Lvl. 50
    Breton Warden - Lvl. 50

    - My Music -
  • F3arM0d3
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    Voxicity wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    Please, no.

    vRoM and vCoS are the last challenging dungeons for decent players. And by challenging I mean fun. While doing other dungeons, I'm bored to death.

    That's all well and good for you, but maybe other people who are far from the grindstone cap want to be able to play this dungeon without getting ***.

    Since when everything has to be done by everyone? That is why there are normal modes as well.

    I understand your frustration and that it can be hard for low level (low CP) players, but please leave some content for good players as well. Because someday, when you improve your build etc., you will be pissed when there will be no challenging 4-man content left for you.

    And one more thing: 3 good players are enough to get this done on vet without hard mode. If you want so much to complete it now, try to find a better group then. Maybe a group of friends.

    Keep in mind that there a far more of us mid to low lvl cp players than capped players. How is it fair to 70% of the game who want to be able to complete this with moderate challenge when it's ungodly to us?

    Progression

    Honestly, that answer sucks.

    It might suck but that is the answer

    In your opinion. Which is only valid to you and those who agree with you.

    AKA 95% of the playerbase
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    Please, no.

    vRoM and vCoS are the last challenging dungeons for decent players. And by challenging I mean fun. While doing other dungeons, I'm bored to death.

    That's all well and good for you, but maybe other people who are far from the grindstone cap want to be able to play this dungeon without getting ***.

    Since when everything has to be done by everyone? That is why there are normal modes as well.

    I understand your frustration and that it can be hard for low level (low CP) players, but please leave some content for good players as well. Because someday, when you improve your build etc., you will be pissed when there will be no challenging 4-man content left for you.

    And one more thing: 3 good players are enough to get this done on vet without hard mode. If you want so much to complete it now, try to find a better group then. Maybe a group of friends.

    Keep in mind that there a far more of us mid to low lvl cp players than capped players. How is it fair to 70% of the game who want to be able to complete this with moderate challenge when it's ungodly to us?

    You want to speak on behalf of "70% of the playerbase"? If so, you're wrong. Some of my friends are below 300 CP and I do this dungeon with them on a regular basis (with HM) in less than 20 min. So I can guarantee that you don't need to be at the CP cap to be able to do this.

    Point scoring doesn't work when the one you're trying to score against uses an absurdly high and fake statistic ironically in response to your own that was plucked out of the air :)

    Fake? Find someone on Xbox One EN server and have them turn their resource percentages and numbers on and come find me.
    Daggerfall Covenant - Xbox One (NA Server)

    Orc Dragonknight - Lvl. 50
    High Elf Templar - Lvl. 50
    Dark Elf Nightblade - Lvl. 50
    Breton Warden - Lvl. 50

    - My Music -
  • DRXHarbinger
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    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    Honestly after reading your own comments on this thread it seems to me that you may not be of a high enough skill level to clear this dungeon. All I'm hearing are excuses and assumptions which simply are not true at all. Perhaps you should try running the base game dungeons, then IC dungeons and then try the SoTH ones :)

    My skill is fine. My tank has 40k HP unbuffed and is capped on resistances. My healer crits for 12k on basic spells and on staff. I have plenty of food.

    As the tank you are supposed to jump in the orange crap and the sludge slingers don't one shot people. 2nd boss use wings to pop the spit back for 100k+ damage. Argonian dude is easy just male sure two runners are talking and take over each other. Last boss just save ulti at 35% ready to drop when the last totem appears and nuke it.
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  • Apherius
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    Lol , go to the white gold tower / imperial city prison and enjoy , they have nerfed these dungeon 4 times just for you !
  • Voxicity
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    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    Honestly after reading your own comments on this thread it seems to me that you may not be of a high enough skill level to clear this dungeon. All I'm hearing are excuses and assumptions which simply are not true at all. Perhaps you should try running the base game dungeons, then IC dungeons and then try the SoTH ones :)

    My skill is fine. My tank has 40k HP unbuffed and is capped on resistances. My healer crits for 12k on basic spells and on staff. I have plenty of food.

    That information literally means nothing. It's just words. There are plenty of 40k health tanks with capped resistances that absolutely suck. You don't even need capped resistances or that high health for any dungeon. My wife runs at like 28k resistances and 28k health. Critting for 12k heals means nothing either. Healing isn't just about numbers it's about reacting and situation awareness. And "My skill is fine" tells us absolutely nothing

    But sure, it's the dungeon's fault. Those of us who can clear it with ease are just getting lucky or something I guess? :D
  • F3arM0d3
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    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    Honestly after reading your own comments on this thread it seems to me that you may not be of a high enough skill level to clear this dungeon. All I'm hearing are excuses and assumptions which simply are not true at all. Perhaps you should try running the base game dungeons, then IC dungeons and then try the SoTH ones :)

    My skill is fine. My tank has 40k HP unbuffed and is capped on resistances. My healer crits for 12k on basic spells and on staff. I have plenty of food.

    As the tank you are supposed to jump in the orange crap and the sludge slingers don't one shot people. 2nd boss use wings to pop the spit back for 100k+ damage. Argonian dude is easy just male sure two runners are talking and take over each other. Last boss just save ulti at 35% ready to drop when the last totem appears and nuke it.

    Well at least someone has good advice instead of criticism.
    Daggerfall Covenant - Xbox One (NA Server)

    Orc Dragonknight - Lvl. 50
    High Elf Templar - Lvl. 50
    Dark Elf Nightblade - Lvl. 50
    Breton Warden - Lvl. 50

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  • saxgooner
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    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    No nerfs needed at all. The dungeon is a bit challenging to PUG and pretty easy to run with a half decent group

    Also you can skip every single sludge slinger mob in the dungeon if you actually look around at guides

    Skipping them doesn't change the fact that it can one shot you.

    Well it kinda does. If you skip them, they aren't gonna one shot you are they? :D

    My wife and I could run it with you if you want, we're on PC EU and not doing anything right now so let me know if you're on the same platform

    I'm on Xbox One EN server.

    If you need a hand I can help.
    I tank it. Xb1 eu
  • Voxicity
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    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    Please, no.

    vRoM and vCoS are the last challenging dungeons for decent players. And by challenging I mean fun. While doing other dungeons, I'm bored to death.

    That's all well and good for you, but maybe other people who are far from the grindstone cap want to be able to play this dungeon without getting ***.

    Since when everything has to be done by everyone? That is why there are normal modes as well.

    I understand your frustration and that it can be hard for low level (low CP) players, but please leave some content for good players as well. Because someday, when you improve your build etc., you will be pissed when there will be no challenging 4-man content left for you.

    And one more thing: 3 good players are enough to get this done on vet without hard mode. If you want so much to complete it now, try to find a better group then. Maybe a group of friends.

    Keep in mind that there a far more of us mid to low lvl cp players than capped players. How is it fair to 70% of the game who want to be able to complete this with moderate challenge when it's ungodly to us?

    Progression

    Honestly, that answer sucks.

    It might suck but that is the answer

    In your opinion. Which is only valid to you and those who agree with you.

    AKA 95% of the playerbase
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    Please, no.

    vRoM and vCoS are the last challenging dungeons for decent players. And by challenging I mean fun. While doing other dungeons, I'm bored to death.

    That's all well and good for you, but maybe other people who are far from the grindstone cap want to be able to play this dungeon without getting ***.

    Since when everything has to be done by everyone? That is why there are normal modes as well.

    I understand your frustration and that it can be hard for low level (low CP) players, but please leave some content for good players as well. Because someday, when you improve your build etc., you will be pissed when there will be no challenging 4-man content left for you.

    And one more thing: 3 good players are enough to get this done on vet without hard mode. If you want so much to complete it now, try to find a better group then. Maybe a group of friends.

    Keep in mind that there a far more of us mid to low lvl cp players than capped players. How is it fair to 70% of the game who want to be able to complete this with moderate challenge when it's ungodly to us?

    You want to speak on behalf of "70% of the playerbase"? If so, you're wrong. Some of my friends are below 300 CP and I do this dungeon with them on a regular basis (with HM) in less than 20 min. So I can guarantee that you don't need to be at the CP cap to be able to do this.

    Point scoring doesn't work when the one you're trying to score against uses an absurdly high and fake statistic ironically in response to your own that was plucked out of the air :)

    Fake? Find someone on Xbox One EN server and have them turn their resource percentages and numbers on and come find me.

    What are you even talking about? You said 70% of the playbase blah blah. How does that have anything to do with people's resource percentages???????????? I don't even
  • F3arM0d3
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    saxgooner wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    No nerfs needed at all. The dungeon is a bit challenging to PUG and pretty easy to run with a half decent group

    Also you can skip every single sludge slinger mob in the dungeon if you actually look around at guides

    Skipping them doesn't change the fact that it can one shot you.

    Well it kinda does. If you skip them, they aren't gonna one shot you are they? :D

    My wife and I could run it with you if you want, we're on PC EU and not doing anything right now so let me know if you're on the same platform

    I'm on Xbox One EN server.

    If you need a hand I can help.
    I tank it. Xb1 eu

    I'm not on EU lol
    Daggerfall Covenant - Xbox One (NA Server)

    Orc Dragonknight - Lvl. 50
    High Elf Templar - Lvl. 50
    Dark Elf Nightblade - Lvl. 50
    Breton Warden - Lvl. 50

    - My Music -
  • Voxicity
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    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    Honestly after reading your own comments on this thread it seems to me that you may not be of a high enough skill level to clear this dungeon. All I'm hearing are excuses and assumptions which simply are not true at all. Perhaps you should try running the base game dungeons, then IC dungeons and then try the SoTH ones :)

    My skill is fine. My tank has 40k HP unbuffed and is capped on resistances. My healer crits for 12k on basic spells and on staff. I have plenty of food.

    As the tank you are supposed to jump in the orange crap and the sludge slingers don't one shot people. 2nd boss use wings to pop the spit back for 100k+ damage. Argonian dude is easy just male sure two runners are talking and take over each other. Last boss just save ulti at 35% ready to drop when the last totem appears and nuke it.

    Well at least someone has good advice instead of criticism.

    Makes a NERF THIS DUNGEON BECAUSE I CANT DO IT thread and complains that he didn't get advice... this guy
  • F3arM0d3
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    Voxicity wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    Please, no.

    vRoM and vCoS are the last challenging dungeons for decent players. And by challenging I mean fun. While doing other dungeons, I'm bored to death.

    That's all well and good for you, but maybe other people who are far from the grindstone cap want to be able to play this dungeon without getting ***.

    Since when everything has to be done by everyone? That is why there are normal modes as well.

    I understand your frustration and that it can be hard for low level (low CP) players, but please leave some content for good players as well. Because someday, when you improve your build etc., you will be pissed when there will be no challenging 4-man content left for you.

    And one more thing: 3 good players are enough to get this done on vet without hard mode. If you want so much to complete it now, try to find a better group then. Maybe a group of friends.

    Keep in mind that there a far more of us mid to low lvl cp players than capped players. How is it fair to 70% of the game who want to be able to complete this with moderate challenge when it's ungodly to us?

    Progression

    Honestly, that answer sucks.

    It might suck but that is the answer

    In your opinion. Which is only valid to you and those who agree with you.

    AKA 95% of the playerbase
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    Please, no.

    vRoM and vCoS are the last challenging dungeons for decent players. And by challenging I mean fun. While doing other dungeons, I'm bored to death.

    That's all well and good for you, but maybe other people who are far from the grindstone cap want to be able to play this dungeon without getting ***.

    Since when everything has to be done by everyone? That is why there are normal modes as well.

    I understand your frustration and that it can be hard for low level (low CP) players, but please leave some content for good players as well. Because someday, when you improve your build etc., you will be pissed when there will be no challenging 4-man content left for you.

    And one more thing: 3 good players are enough to get this done on vet without hard mode. If you want so much to complete it now, try to find a better group then. Maybe a group of friends.

    Keep in mind that there a far more of us mid to low lvl cp players than capped players. How is it fair to 70% of the game who want to be able to complete this with moderate challenge when it's ungodly to us?

    You want to speak on behalf of "70% of the playerbase"? If so, you're wrong. Some of my friends are below 300 CP and I do this dungeon with them on a regular basis (with HM) in less than 20 min. So I can guarantee that you don't need to be at the CP cap to be able to do this.

    Point scoring doesn't work when the one you're trying to score against uses an absurdly high and fake statistic ironically in response to your own that was plucked out of the air :)

    Fake? Find someone on Xbox One EN server and have them turn their resource percentages and numbers on and come find me.

    What are you even talking about? You said 70% of the playbase blah blah. How does that have anything to do with people's resource percentages???????????? I don't even

    #IgnoringYou
    Daggerfall Covenant - Xbox One (NA Server)

    Orc Dragonknight - Lvl. 50
    High Elf Templar - Lvl. 50
    Dark Elf Nightblade - Lvl. 50
    Breton Warden - Lvl. 50

    - My Music -
  • MattT1988
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    Nah, there's not much hard stuff left for good 4 man groups. No need for the nerf, it's fun the way it is. Find a regular group, keep trying, you'll learn more every failed run if your willing too. If your not willing to learn, then you don't deserve to beat it. Eventually you and your group will get coordinated enough to work out a system to beat it, and you'll regularly beat it to the point where it's pretty much auto pilot for you and your crew. Also don't be afraid to source outside resources for advice, YouTube guides for example.

    Put on your big boy pants, man up and get it done.
    Edited by MattT1988 on June 21, 2017 11:21AM
  • Voxicity
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    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    Please, no.

    vRoM and vCoS are the last challenging dungeons for decent players. And by challenging I mean fun. While doing other dungeons, I'm bored to death.

    That's all well and good for you, but maybe other people who are far from the grindstone cap want to be able to play this dungeon without getting ***.

    Since when everything has to be done by everyone? That is why there are normal modes as well.

    I understand your frustration and that it can be hard for low level (low CP) players, but please leave some content for good players as well. Because someday, when you improve your build etc., you will be pissed when there will be no challenging 4-man content left for you.

    And one more thing: 3 good players are enough to get this done on vet without hard mode. If you want so much to complete it now, try to find a better group then. Maybe a group of friends.

    Keep in mind that there a far more of us mid to low lvl cp players than capped players. How is it fair to 70% of the game who want to be able to complete this with moderate challenge when it's ungodly to us?

    Progression

    Honestly, that answer sucks.

    It might suck but that is the answer

    In your opinion. Which is only valid to you and those who agree with you.

    AKA 95% of the playerbase
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    Tyrion87 wrote: »
    Please, no.

    vRoM and vCoS are the last challenging dungeons for decent players. And by challenging I mean fun. While doing other dungeons, I'm bored to death.

    That's all well and good for you, but maybe other people who are far from the grindstone cap want to be able to play this dungeon without getting ***.

    Since when everything has to be done by everyone? That is why there are normal modes as well.

    I understand your frustration and that it can be hard for low level (low CP) players, but please leave some content for good players as well. Because someday, when you improve your build etc., you will be pissed when there will be no challenging 4-man content left for you.

    And one more thing: 3 good players are enough to get this done on vet without hard mode. If you want so much to complete it now, try to find a better group then. Maybe a group of friends.

    Keep in mind that there a far more of us mid to low lvl cp players than capped players. How is it fair to 70% of the game who want to be able to complete this with moderate challenge when it's ungodly to us?

    You want to speak on behalf of "70% of the playerbase"? If so, you're wrong. Some of my friends are below 300 CP and I do this dungeon with them on a regular basis (with HM) in less than 20 min. So I can guarantee that you don't need to be at the CP cap to be able to do this.

    Point scoring doesn't work when the one you're trying to score against uses an absurdly high and fake statistic ironically in response to your own that was plucked out of the air :)

    Fake? Find someone on Xbox One EN server and have them turn their resource percentages and numbers on and come find me.

    What are you even talking about? You said 70% of the playbase blah blah. How does that have anything to do with people's resource percentages???????????? I don't even

    #IgnoringYou

    Be my guest :)
  • Lord_Eomer
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    This dungeon is not difficult but you need everyone doing their role properly
    Edited by Lord_Eomer on June 21, 2017 11:23AM
  • leepalmer95
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    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    F3arM0d3 wrote: »
    No more nerfs. Find a better group and do it. Besides, the helm is nothing special.

    Keep your negative comments to yourself. This post is meant to be constructive, not pessimistic and elitist.

    I'm far from an elitist. Never completed any of the vet trials, vMA or vDSA. vROM needs to stay as it is. As does vCOS. vWGT and vICP are pushovers now because of nerfs

    I play the game to have fun and enjoy it. Not to have to spend hours upon hours grinding so I can be OP enough for an OP dungeon.

    You shouldn't be playing an MMO then.

    Welcome to end game pve where its not easy, you have to get a good build, actually learn mechanics properly and get a good team.

    PS4 EU DC

    Current CP : 756+

    I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.


    RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...
  • Tryxus
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    Nah, the challenge is more than welcome in this game.
    "Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
    Tryxus - Guardian of the Green - Warden - PC/EU
  • Lord_Eomer
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    Tryxus wrote: »
    Nah, the challenge is more than welcome in this game.

    Challenge but not grind like VMA or Trial Weapons!
    Edited by Lord_Eomer on June 21, 2017 11:24AM
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