Mage warden with winterborn

scipionumatia · June 2017

has anyone tried this yet? would be for pve i would assume as a player would simply move out of AoE.
just theory crafting, you could run:
5 winterborn
3 willpower (or other 3 piece set vengeance leech, imperium, ancients)
2 ice hearts
1 maelstrom ice staff

ice fortress, gripping shards, wall of elements, artic blast, etc.

I'm on console so i don't have my warden yet but I'm thinking of trying to build it like an "aura-din" from Diablo 2. Pretty much have AoE that go where you go and kill everything as you run past it.

dsalter · June 2017

scipionumatia wrote: »

has anyone tried this yet? would be for pve i would assume as a player would simply move out of AoE.
just theory crafting, you could run:
5 winterborn
3 willpower (or other 3 piece set vengeance leech, imperium, ancients)
2 ice hearts
1 maelstrom ice staff

ice fortress, gripping shards, wall of elements, artic blast, etc.

I'm on console so i don't have my warden yet but I'm thinking of trying to build it like an "aura-din" from Diablo 2. Pretty much have AoE that go where you go and kill everything as you run past it.

i'm much rather go 5 winterborn and 5 braraha's curse and an ice maelstrom staff, braraha would stack slowage with the chilly frost damage and heal some as well

Malamar1229 · June 2017

ice heart is pretty bad.

Xvorg · June 2017

scipionumatia wrote: »

has anyone tried this yet? would be for pve i would assume as a player would simply move out of AoE.
just theory crafting, you could run:
5 winterborn
3 willpower (or other 3 piece set vengeance leech, imperium, ancients)
2 ice hearts
1 maelstrom ice staff

ice fortress, gripping shards, wall of elements, artic blast, etc.

I'm on console so i don't have my warden yet but I'm thinking of trying to build it like an "aura-din" from Diablo 2. Pretty much have AoE that go where you go and kill everything as you run past it.

if you want to proc ice heart a lot, you need to stack a lot of spell crit

Other option is winterborn + ice furnace

scipionumatia · June 2017

dsalter wrote: »

scipionumatia wrote: »

has anyone tried this yet? would be for pve i would assume as a player would simply move out of AoE.
just theory crafting, you could run:
5 winterborn
3 willpower (or other 3 piece set vengeance leech, imperium, ancients)
2 ice hearts
1 maelstrom ice staff

ice fortress, gripping shards, wall of elements, artic blast, etc.

I'm on console so i don't have my warden yet but I'm thinking of trying to build it like an "aura-din" from Diablo 2. Pretty much have AoE that go where you go and kill everything as you run past it.

i'm much rather go 5 winterborn and 5 braraha's curse and an ice maelstrom staff, braraha would stack slowage with the chilly frost damage and heal some as well

oh i do like that idea of bahrahs curse

Prive · June 2017

Winter born and ice heart both barely proc.
Really bad gear combo

WhiteMage · June 2017

I got a charged maelstrom ice staff before morrowind... makes me want to make a warden with this and winterborn. 2 problems, I don't have morrowind nor plan to get it and I can't think of a good, viable 3rd set to use (PvP because ice mages are worthless in PvE).

Avran_Sylt · June 2017

Currently run a Winterborn Iceheart Potentates Ice Sorc (working on leveling the warden) for PvP that is focused mainly on sapping and stopping opponents while I'm in a group.

Wall of elements + the DoT from Frost Reach + light attacks and enchantments actually give you a pretty consistent uptime with Winterborn. Potentates is just for a reduced ice ult cost (Icy rage, so stationary).

Iceheart is okayish, nice that you get a little damage shield every once in a while, it also looks cool as hell when it procs.

Thinking about using the Ice Furnace set as well and moving to sword and board on a bar with the warden rather than potentates.

andreasranasen · June 2017

Looking for @Vaoh ! Anyone seen him?

Saucy_Jack · June 2017

What about the Ysgramor set?

Frenkthevile · June 2017

I run 5 Winter Born, 5/3 Ysgramor(2 swords/Dsa Ice staff), 2 Iceheart...in pVp and Solo it's great and cool ti look at xD

Taleof2Cities · June 2017

Saucy_Jack wrote: »

What about the Ysgramor set?

I tried Ysgramor's with Iceheart way back on the OneTamriel PTS cycle. The crowd control was above average. But, the damage was only average, and (as others have posted), it's sometimes hard to get Iceheart to proc without stacking crit ... which, by the way, Ysgramor's doesn't have in any of its set bonuses.

Maybe a shrewd theorycrafter can make this set work on a Warden ... with support from other sets and help from the thief mundus (along with slotting inner light).

Taleof2Cities · June 2017

Frenkthevile wrote: »

I run 5 Winter Born, 5/3 Ysgramor(2 swords/Dsa Ice staff), 2 Iceheart...in pVp and Solo it's great and cool ti look at xD

But, is this on a Warden or on another class?

Nemesis7884 · June 2017

how do you get these arena sets anyway? Do they drop from normal mobs there or you get like 1 random piece if you play through the complete arena? I mean how long does it realisticly take to get a full set of a desireable set?

scipionumatia · June 2017

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

how do you get these arena sets anyway? Do they drop from normal mobs there or you get like 1 random piece if you play through the complete arena? I mean how long does it realisticly take to get a full set of a desireable set?

After each stage of maelstrom arena you get a random drop from one of the sets from there. I don't think you can get weapons? Maybe from normal maelstrom final boss? Never done normal, only vet

scipionumatia · June 2017

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

how do you get these arena sets anyway? Do they drop from normal mobs there or you get like 1 random piece if you play through the complete arena? I mean how long does it realisticly take to get a full set of a desireable set?

So if your speed farming it I would say set it to normal and blow through stage 1 over and over then abandon quest and repick it up

code65536 · June 2017

scipionumatia wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

how do you get these arena sets anyway? Do they drop from normal mobs there or you get like 1 random piece if you play through the complete arena? I mean how long does it realisticly take to get a full set of a desireable set?

So if your speed farming it I would say set it to normal and blow through stage 1 over and over then abandon quest and repick it up

No, don't do that. After leaving, you need to wait 5 minutes for the instance to reset. Normal is so easy that you can beat it with a fresh level 3 character, and people use nMA as a way to grind up lowbies. In the time it takes you to port out, wait the reset time, port back in, etc., you could complete another stage or two.

Just run the entire arena.

scipionumatia · June 2017

code65536 wrote: »

scipionumatia wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

how do you get these arena sets anyway? Do they drop from normal mobs there or you get like 1 random piece if you play through the complete arena? I mean how long does it realisticly take to get a full set of a desireable set?

So if your speed farming it I would say set it to normal and blow through stage 1 over and over then abandon quest and repick it up

No, don't do that. After leaving, you need to wait 5 minutes for the instance to reset. Normal is so easy that you can beat it with a fresh level 3 character, and people use nMA as a way to grind up lowbies. In the time it takes you to port out, wait the reset time, port back in, etc., you could complete another stage or two.

Just run the entire arena.

Good info, I had neverdone it but I didn't know about the 5 minute wait

acw37162 · June 2017

Ice heart procs a ton.

Qbiken · June 2017

I really dislike that Winterborn doesn´t come with weapons. The extralife.wiki website states that it does but I´m almost 100% certain that no weapons in this set (or for any of the other sets that drops in maelstrom arena). I´ve asked a lot of people in-game and on the forums and I´ve yet to see someone showing a weapon in the Winterborn set.

With One Tamriel all sets became available in all traits for all item slots (jewels, weapons/shield and bodyparts). But for some reason all the orsinium sets were left out of the "One-Tamriel" treatment. I´m just asking myself one simple question:

Why??

I´ve made a thread about my suggestions on how the loottable in Maelstrom arena regarding these sets could work (not a topic about the maelstrom weapons)

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/350693/proposed-change-to-the-maelstrom-loot-table-edited-updated#latest

Would really appriciate if you would read it and maybe a response on wether you have any plans on changing the Orsinium loottable in generall and/or maelstrom loot more specificly, so that it follows the same principles as all other sets in since One Tamriel

@ZOS_RichLambert @Wrobel

Feanor · June 2017

Normal Maelstrom Arena does drop the sets but only in CP 150. If you want CP 160 you have to run veteran mode, they drop in purple there as well. Overall I think the whole ice Mage thing is something ZOS never really wanted. As it is the available spells and sets are very niche and they're not oriented towards damage, but rather crowd control. And even there it's in its current more trollish than really strong. Winterborn as a set is a great idea - but it's just not working.

Coilbox · June 2017

My warden is wearing right now:

5x Winterborn
5x Ysgrammor

2x Maelstrom Ice staves

It's not the best DPS in the world, but quite competent for vet stuff. Completed every dungeon with it and it's fun to play.

Supportic · June 2017

*have no resources*
*accidently charging having attack*
*become a new tank*
Well sh***

Qbiken · June 2017

Feanor wrote: »

Normal Maelstrom Arena does drop the sets but only in CP 150. If you want CP 160 you have to run veteran mode, they drop in purple there as well. Overall I think the whole ice Mage thing is something ZOS never really wanted. As it is the available spells and sets are very niche and they're not oriented towards damage, but rather crowd control. And even there it's in its current more trollish than really strong. Winterborn as a set is a great idea - but it's just not working.

@Feanor
Wrong!!

All sets drops in cp160, even on normal. Only difference is the quality. Blue quality on normal, Purple on veteran.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/350693/proposed-change-to-the-maelstrom-loot-table-edited-updated#latest Read this post for more/deeper explanation regarding this matter.

Feanor · June 2017

When did they change that? They always dropped in CP 150 and blue quality on normal. It's been a while for me though as I run only vet.

Masel · June 2017

I have a build with Winterborn on here in my signature. It uses all three elements and is capable of clearing vMA in 50-55 minutes and I cleared vMoL with it couple of days ago. It is not top dps but 35-36k in single target is possible.
The proc chance on Winterborn is pretty low though. It gives burst whenever it procs and hits for ~9k. With illambris you're going to proc at least one of the illambris effects or Winterborn on each force pulse.

They need to double the proc chance or at least raise it to 12% to actually make it a really good damage set. For me or provides about 1-1.3k dps in single target fights on my warden. With adds to bosses and in trashmobs it is a lot more as it procs more often.

DRXHarbinger · June 2017

Feanor wrote: »

When did they change that? They always dropped in CP 150 and blue quality on normal. It's been a while for me though as I run only vet.

Like with 1T when everything was standardised.

Anhedonie · June 2017

Here is what I tried, everything is legendary quality:
Winterborn x7 divines
Iceheart x2 divines (heavy head, medium shoulder)
IA jewelry x3
Maelstrom Ice staff sharpened
IA staff sharpened on a back bar

And I must say, with this setup ice warden mage sucks legendary.

Feanor · June 2017

Anhedonie wrote: »

Here is what I tried, everything is legendary quality:
Winterborn x7 divines
Iceheart x2 divines (heavy head, medium shoulder)
IA jewelry x3
Maelstrom Ice staff sharpened
IA staff sharpened on a back bar

And I must say, with this setup ice warden mage sucks legendary.

All those tempers spent...

Anhedonie · June 2017

Feanor wrote: »

Anhedonie wrote: »

Here is what I tried, everything is legendary quality:
Winterborn x7 divines
Iceheart x2 divines (heavy head, medium shoulder)
IA jewelry x3
Maelstrom Ice staff sharpened
IA staff sharpened on a back bar

And I must say, with this setup ice warden mage sucks legendary.

All those tempers spent...

Yeah, only iceheart was worth it tbh. I did no-death vma on mdk thanks to that monster set. It was a game changer, really.

Mojomonkeyman · June 2017

My Winterborn builds work well in PvP settings. It's a strong set if you build for it. I use it half of my BG matches and if my track record is not too far off I have about 70-80% winrate solo Q.

Off-topic @ ZOS: I really hate your carebear attitude of hiding the most interesting BG stats to not make people feel bad about their performance. This is so kindergarten, I want to keep track of at least my own records ingame, not do excel-sheet work inbetween matches...