addons that show what loot other players got...

Skjoldur · June 2017

MissBizz wrote: »

I love these addons. Mostly not even for me, mostly for others.

I run with guildees alot and am willing to trade/share. I don't care to stick around at the end of a dungeon checking traits on everything just to find out someone wants it. With this addon they can see I got it "Hey are you working on that set?" "nope, here you go" and away we go.

If you don't want to share, say no. If you want to get rich, ask a ridiculous amount of money.

Exactly. Not ever would I take money for something I don't even need either. What's the point of being an ESO millionaire anyway. Helping is more important.

Aisle9 · June 2017

Zalicius wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

What I find absolutely mind boggling is the fact that such addons are considered just plain evil, but the situation they try to mitigate (the need to farm for stuff) and the reason they exists (helping in said farming of stuff), no, that's just fine and dandy...

Why would you want to remove tools to alleviate something that is almost universally recognized as cancerous ?

Running dungeons and communicating with other players is cancerous?

Yes.

Also, farming for items for months on end is mildly annoying, or so I've been told.

Arundo · June 2017

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Arundo wrote: »

ScytheNL wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

If someone is a jerk about loot he will be regardless.

How can you be a jerk about loot??? I got it, it's MY loot. Isn't it my choice what I do with it?

Tell that to the DPS guy who wants his DPS gear of me because I'm the tank...

Because telling him that you need it for dps alt is so difficult...

LOL you COMPLETELY miss the point.

Magdalina · June 2017

EvilCroc wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

EvilCroc wrote: »

1. Nothing in abbreviation "MMO" means I should interact with other players when I do not want to.
2. Any "trade demand" is an act of interaction I did not ask for. If I will want to trade I will link my items in chat. That's invitation to trading, nothing else. Why should I think about response why I do not want to trade with somebody? This is natural to do not want to trade with strangers. Otherwise I will link items blah, blah, blah.
3. I deconstruct items I do not need. If they are treasures for somebody it is even more enjoying. Farm harder for them, not my problems. Gold means nothing in this game anyway. I was farming for my gear and never asked for loot sharing. (And I have disabled the part of LUI Extended which allows you to see group loot).

"MMO" means "Massively Multiplayer Online" and that acronym applies to games.
Let me put this in a more detailed way :
- "Massively" means that you get to play not only with friends but also with strangers
- "Multiplayer" means that you get to interact with people and that they get to interact with you, whether you've asked for it or not.
- "Online"... well, irrelevant here, it's just what makes the "Massively" and the "Multiplayer" possible
- and, last but not least, "Game". Which means that people are there to have fun and relax.

While none of it strictly implies that you MUST interact with others if you don't want to, it allows nonetheless other people to TRY and interact with you without your prior approval. They don't deserve to be treated badly (and ignoring is quite an agressive response) just for talking to you.

You're of course entitled to be who you are and to play how you want, even to enjoy other people's frustrations. There are people like that. However, I wonder if you wouldn't be better off in a bunker with 6-months food stocks and a copy of Skyrim and The Witcher 3. They're both amazing games, with guaranteed NO INTERACTION whatsoever with that major annoyance called "other people" ;-)

1."Multiplayer" just means "not single player". Nothing about interaction. Other conjectures are wrong.
3. And stop speaking like loot-looking addons are natural part of the game please. They are not. Completely not. And users of this kind of addons deserve to be treated badly.
3. If I can make comfortable environment in multiplayer game by ignoring unpleasant people why should I go back to old singleplayer games? The amount of loot-lookers is low anyway. At least most of them are polite enough to not to ask for loot by whispering.
4. Until TESVI will be released I'll stay here anyway.

Dungeon loot sharing was created for sharing loot with friends, not strangers in PUG.

Except you're participating in a GROUP activity with them. And yeah, that directly implies interaction. They're your group. You'll have to work together with them to beat the instance. They fought the boss together with you, they just got different loot.

Only reason you might get loot someone else would want is because rng. It's not because you're a better player or (lol) a better person. Yeah, you got lucky(did you? If you don't need a piece of gear they do, what reason can there possibly be to NOT give it to your groupmate if they ask for it?). Not much to feel entitled about really.

Don't like having to interact with other people? Don't partake in the group activities. Please. Because if someone with your attitude ends up in my group I'll go against my principles and kick you. Why would anyone want someone refusing to be part of the group along in a fight?

Plot twist btw - I don't use these addons. But blocking someone for asking is just lawl.

Draekony · June 2017

Zalicius wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

Zalicius wrote: »

I'm a healer, and If I find someone is using that in the middle of a dungeon because they ask "Hey, can I have that Sword of Mighty Stabbyness you just picked up?" I will drop the group. Sure that may be a crappy thing to do, but you know what else is crappy thing to do? Spying on people's stuff.

I'm a healer too (also as tank and DD) and I would never do such crazy antisocial stuff.

I'm not antisocial. I just don't like greedy people. That's exactly what it is. A tool for greedy people.

Frankly I'd like to look at this another way, and suggest perhaps you are greedy. Think about it.

bottleofsyrup · June 2017

OP and the people with him/her sound bitter and salty. I'll have to use this feature more just because you get upset by nothing.

Zalicius · June 2017

Draekony wrote: »

Zalicius wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

Zalicius wrote: »

I'm a healer, and If I find someone is using that in the middle of a dungeon because they ask "Hey, can I have that Sword of Mighty Stabbyness you just picked up?" I will drop the group. Sure that may be a crappy thing to do, but you know what else is crappy thing to do? Spying on people's stuff.

I'm a healer too (also as tank and DD) and I would never do such crazy antisocial stuff.

I'm not antisocial. I just don't like greedy people. That's exactly what it is. A tool for greedy people.

Frankly I'd like to look at this another way, and suggest perhaps you are greedy. Think about it.

That's exactly what a greedy person would say

EvilCroc · June 2017

Ok, all of you convinced me. Now I will ask 50k for each item loot-looker wants.
Maybe now I will be OK with this addon.

Draekony · June 2017

Zalicius wrote: »

Draekony wrote: »

Zalicius wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

Zalicius wrote: »

I'm a healer, and If I find someone is using that in the middle of a dungeon because they ask "Hey, can I have that Sword of Mighty Stabbyness you just picked up?" I will drop the group. Sure that may be a crappy thing to do, but you know what else is crappy thing to do? Spying on people's stuff.

I'm a healer too (also as tank and DD) and I would never do such crazy antisocial stuff.

I'm not antisocial. I just don't like greedy people. That's exactly what it is. A tool for greedy people.

Frankly I'd like to look at this another way, and suggest perhaps you are greedy. Think about it.

That's exactly what a greedy person would say

Haha. Great response, but what about the poor DPS that probably waited 30 minutes? I have 1 tank 1 healer and 3 dps so I know them feels.

Aisle9 · June 2017

Updated my signature, hope this helps people running dungeons (and getting carried) by me or my friends.

My character's names are in my signature as well.

Feel free to drop from the group if we happen to be in the same PUG, I won't hold it against you.

Of course you will miss out on all the loot I will be giving away for free, but such is your choice, everyone is entitled to their opinions.

Zalicius · June 2017

Draekony wrote: »

Zalicius wrote: »

Draekony wrote: »

Zalicius wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

Zalicius wrote: »

I'm a healer, and If I find someone is using that in the middle of a dungeon because they ask "Hey, can I have that Sword of Mighty Stabbyness you just picked up?" I will drop the group. Sure that may be a crappy thing to do, but you know what else is crappy thing to do? Spying on people's stuff.

I'm a healer too (also as tank and DD) and I would never do such crazy antisocial stuff.

I'm not antisocial. I just don't like greedy people. That's exactly what it is. A tool for greedy people.

Frankly I'd like to look at this another way, and suggest perhaps you are greedy. Think about it.

That's exactly what a greedy person would say

Haha. Great response, but what about the poor DPS that probably waited 30 minutes? I have 1 tank 1 healer and 3 dps so I know them feels.

Honestly, I could care less. I'm just on the forums because I'm doing laundry and bored, and arguing is kind of fun. HAHA

Wait, that's called trolling isn't it? *hangs head in shame*

In all seriousness though, is it really so bad hanging out at the end of a dungeon for a minute talking about loot and stuff?

Aisle9 · June 2017

EvilCroc wrote: »

Ok, all of you convinced me. Now I will ask 50k for each item loot-looker wants.
Maybe now I will be OK with this addon.

Here's the thing

You will be happy because you have 50k in ca$h (sort of).

They will be happy because they have the piece they were looking for.

Everyone will be happy.

What were we arguing about ?

Danksta · June 2017

ScytheNL wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

If someone is a jerk about loot he will be regardless.

How can you be a jerk about loot??? I got it, it's MY loot. Isn't it my choice what I do with it?

Hassling you over loot that you're entitled to is the whole reason they're jerks, otherwise they'd just be annoying. Besides, as someone who's been a jerk IRL, you can be a jerk about anything, trust me.

Lexynide · June 2017

Jerkling wrote: »

and to anyone who does use these addons - how dare you? HOW F-WORD DARE YOU?!

Jerkling wrote: »

how dare you? HOW F-WORD DARE YOU?!

Sigtric · June 2017

Turelus wrote: »

It does feel a little intrusive especially when the game was designed specifically to avoid this issue.

Why ZOS allows this in the API when their own game development took a direction opposite still confuses me.

Still as annoying as it is, just block those who pester and don't understand that no means no. If they give you actual abuse for it then report them for it.

Seems opposite to me. This game was designed to be quite light (minimal UI) and the designers included the ability for mod authors to pull this information via the api.

That information on a group mate's screen isn't them seeing something they shouldn't. It was put in the api on purpose.

That said it's no ones right to the loot but the looter. If you want it, keep it.

shreek1 · June 2017

If someone asks you for the item and you don't want to give it to them, just say no. If you're uncomfortable with saying no to someone then that's your problem.

rhapsodious · June 2017

I don't have a problem with it because most people drop it as soon as you say "no". The people who persist, you tell them "no" more firmly, or worst case, you block them. I'd rather an item I'm not interested in go to someone who needs it rather than the vendor.

theamazingx · June 2017

Zalicius wrote: »

Draekony wrote: »

Zalicius wrote: »

Draekony wrote: »

Zalicius wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

Zalicius wrote: »

I'm a healer, and If I find someone is using that in the middle of a dungeon because they ask "Hey, can I have that Sword of Mighty Stabbyness you just picked up?" I will drop the group. Sure that may be a crappy thing to do, but you know what else is crappy thing to do? Spying on people's stuff.

I'm a healer too (also as tank and DD) and I would never do such crazy antisocial stuff.

I'm not antisocial. I just don't like greedy people. That's exactly what it is. A tool for greedy people.

Frankly I'd like to look at this another way, and suggest perhaps you are greedy. Think about it.

That's exactly what a greedy person would say

Haha. Great response, but what about the poor DPS that probably waited 30 minutes? I have 1 tank 1 healer and 3 dps so I know them feels.

Honestly, I could care less. I'm just on the forums because I'm doing laundry and bored, and arguing is kind of fun. HAHA

Wait, that's called trolling isn't it? *hangs head in shame*

In all seriousness though, is it really so bad hanging out at the end of a dungeon for a minute talking about loot and stuff?

It's not so bad, but it is foolish to expect anyone to immediately recognize you and everyone else in the group as people who will do that for them. I'd say it's more greedy to expect others to track their loot for what YOU want when you could just track it yourself.

It's quite a bit easier to read "Hey do you need that?" once every couple of dungeons than to read "Hey guys I need x y and z" from 2 different people every single time and be expected to look closely at all my loot and remember what they need.

EvilCroc · June 2017

shreek1 wrote: »

If someone asks you for the item and you don't want to give it to them, just say no. If you're uncomfortable with saying no to someone then that's your problem.

That's my problem, yes. And I'm solving it by ignoring the person who asks. I just do not want to say "no",
But "50k" is better than "No" and ignoring...

Beesting · June 2017

I am glad this feature exists. Even with the double bankspace i am not able to keep all the gear i " might" use on an alt in a build one day.

And i know some people have run AA or nMOL hundreds (350+) times to get one specific item. So if i loot it i can and i will give it to them rather than decon it.
I gave away at least 50 divines burning spellweave pieces in my quest for a sharpened flame staff (that never dropped for anyone in over 200 runs)

But it can also be a curse, because i only run nMOL now for the sharpened MD lightning staff to match my golden rings and neck and golden flame staff. 1 item, many long runs with less than experienced players.

But every single time one drops (every 30 runs or so) it is a cp350 or below person that wears blue rings and blue gear and does not want to sell it to me, not even for 2 million, because alcast or deltia said they " need" it for their build.

Sometimes it is better not to know it dropped LOL ^^ Jealousy is a ...

Bosov · June 2017

You are the type of person who says ''No i dont have it'' when someone asks for a certain item. You encountered someone with the addon and got 'exposed'. Now you are angry at an addon... you should be angry at yourself for being a horrible person.

Ruckly · June 2017

The game was originally designed so that any class can run any build? Except for items that are stealth only it's pretty easy to say "I need that for my main build" cause at that point in time you're running your alt build. You are always running your alt build. You are always running your alt build. You are always running your alt build. If it's an exact duplicate of something you have equipped well then you might get jammed there. I like evaluating my inventory after the last boss dies so that would be annoying mid run someone stops the show for a pair of boots.

Grymmoire · June 2017

Jerkling wrote: »

...should be banned!

i'm seriously annoyed and i don't find it the least bit funny when other players keep pestering me (sometimes to the extend that i simply HAVE to block them) about items i just looted of a dungeon boss or from a dolmen chest. there is a reason you can not see what loot other players got and no one has the right to use an addon to snoop around in other peoples bags!

Well, to begin unless I am mistaken, no add-on allows another player to 'snoop around in other peoples(') bags!' The add-on allows one to see what was just looted, not peruse someones inventory.

i'm not interested in any reasoning why one should see what others got from a boss or why this would help or whatever else. i don't want anyone to be able to see my loot and i don't have to accept someone using an addon to go through my things.
if you want a certain item you can ask in advance if you may have it in case someone loots it. and if someone does and doesn't want to give it to you then that's his/her good right. period.

Being close-minded regarding the usefulness of said add-on, and posting such an angry thread speaks volumes about your sociability; you may want to reconsider playing MMO's if such items drive you to such annoyance.

and to anyone who does use these addons - how dare you? HOW F-WORD DARE YOU?!

In closing, players 'dare' use such add-ons because they are not in violation of the TOS and do serve a purpose even if you 'are not interested in the reasoning'.

Please reflect upon your own demeanor and consider if it is indeed fitting a group based game. And although I dislike saying so, I see no real purpose in your creating a thread, whose purpose is not to engage in discussion, but could be viewed as merely a rant and inflammatory. =^.^=

SirAndy · June 2017

JamieAubrey wrote: »

I use an addon that does this, but most the time people I run with post what they get in chat anyway, I dont care if you run it and see my loot, If I get something epic then I'd rather let them see my epic loot
And if I have no use for it and they need it I'll happily trade them

There's a difference between you sharing info about what you looted and people being able to snoop through my inventory without my consent.

If there was an AddOn that allowed you to share your inventory info with others, that would be no problem at all.
Or if the current API needed the consent of the player you're trying to inspect and by default all players would be blocked.
That way, people would have to opt-in into being inspected and could opt-out at any time.
All of these would be OK.

The current implementation is not ...

josiahva · June 2017

I agree with the OP. What I loot is mine, they shouldn't have the ability to even look at it. Don't get me wrong...if someone wants something I pick up, I will give it to them 9/10 times, I have no problem with that, but if I don't want to give it to them because I need it(cant even remember the last time refused...months ago at least), its very intrusive for them to msg me asking for it because they are looking in my bags. If I want something that drops I usually tell the group I am looking for a certain thing at the start of a dungeon, and then after finishing the dungeon, I ask again as a reminder, that is sufficient. No need to pester them by looking at their drops and messaging them. I dont even really mind them seeing what I picked up, I just consider it rude for them to ask for it after snooping, its slightly less rude for them to ask for it in group chat.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · June 2017

You do know they aren't actually looking in your bags right? The addon sees it as you pick it up and it is moved into your inventory. The addon does not see into your inventory.

You want to stick with it is my loot, so they shouldn't see it argument, fine. But this whole they are looking in my bags and snooping my inventory thing is silly.

Megabear · June 2017

Yeah I do think that the addon should be banned. It feels very intrusive and I don't like it when people message me and beg for loot even after I tell them that I plan on using it.

Draekony · June 2017

So how do you feel about the NSA spying on every loot you get? Ban that NSA addon!

vyndral13preub18_ESO · June 2017

Draekony wrote: »

So how do you feel about the NSA spying on every loot you get? Ban that NSA addon!

Don't forget to Pitch the cellphone, and burn the console/pc....

Absalon · June 2017

It's funny how quickly ppl forget they hate this addon every time I offer cash for they're loots.