A summary of every ESO build on the internet

Linaleah · June 2017

Dixa wrote: »

the best part is how player perceptions change to match these so-called 'guides' and if you can't perform within 99% of these couch-generals then you are booted.

it also seems as if the difficulty of the game is beginning to be balanced around the types of numbers only a small selection of upper crust players can accomplish instead of their performance being a face-roll outlier.

I'm not entirely sure about second, but the first IS absolutely true. god forbid you deviate from a what is deemed to be the meta build and dare to attempt any group content with it.

now here is the thing. guide writers are not obligated to create any builds other then the ones they wish to create. it just so happens that with ESO as with so many other MMOs - the only builds they wish to create are "eek out the absolute best performance" builds so when you go searching for builds for ESO, its what you tend to find, primarily. aka, satirized description in OP.

again kudos to Allcast for actualy working on offering some alternatives. but it CAN still occasionally get frustrating when you are trying to figure out a new to you class and all you want is a good starting point, and all you find is the descriptions of the finish lines. when you are not even sure you even want to get to that particular finish line, let alone try to cross it.

couple that with superior sneering attitudes and well... yeah.

clocksstoppe · June 2017

You can keep using your bad build if you want to, nobody can stop you.

Phinix1 · June 2017

Pallmor wrote: »

A bunch of obscure skills that are hard to get
A bunch of gear that you can only get from the hardest trials and dungeons in the game, all with the rarest traits of course
Way more Champion Points than you'll ever have
A playstyle that requires the dexterity of an methed-up ferret

You forgot "don't forget to like comment and subscribe so I can play for free and upgrade my computer sucka!"

The_Undefined · June 2017

I agree OP. It definitely gets super daunting, especially with the pvp only skills. So aggravating there are pvp only skills that are so incredibly effective in pve... they should be obtainable in pve >:(

The main ones are usually caltrops and necrotic orbs (Undaunted?).

Still, I gotta say, this game tricked me into having some fun with pvp for the first time in like.. a decade lol. (I'm a sore loser, I avoid pvp for a reason >:( )

Honestly, when I see those skills, I see the idea behind them and look for an alternative. If I can't find an alternative, I just rework the build to suit my playstyle. The idea of "better to play an ineffective build well, than an effective build like garbage" is kinda my way about it at times

The gear and super animation cancelling well, I'm not looking to do vet trials, I'm just looking to have fun. I just found the Magnus Withered Hand set last night and it's amazing! I refresh my mana like no one's business

out51d3r · June 2017

I'd consider the Undaunted skills hard to get. Not because it's difficult, but because I don't find the content required to get it to be fun. So I have to invest X amount of hours grinding out something I don't actually want to be doing. I can see why people feel similar about vigor and the like.

LadyNalcarya · June 2017

Linaleah wrote: »

Uncle_Sweetshare wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

What are the obscure skills in this game that are hard to get?

Vigor

you put up a troll face, but guess what. vigor etc can be very annoying to get if you are not a pvper and it REQUIRES to go into a pvp zone to get, and I've yet to find a guide that offered a genuine alternative to it WHILE you are leveling your pvp skill lines to the point where you can unlock vigor. or caltrops. or warhorn. you know

also - everything in undaunted skill lines.

mage/fighter guild lines can be annoying, but at least its mostly just time investment to get them leveled up... unless you are on a console and don't have a handy addon telling you where all the lorebooks are.

vamp/ww skill lines can range from relatively simple to "oh to hell with this" depending on your individual social situation when it comes to getting bitten. at least leveling ww is relatively painless. leveling vamp skill line was "now that i have the achievement? never again, not even if it becomes so good that it ends up being required for some magika builds. no. hell no"

Except that these days its much easier to obtain these skills. They reduced the ap costs of pvp abilities, and now they can be obtained just by following zergs and spamming healing springs for a few evenings. If you dont wanna kill anyone, you can also get some ap from Cyrodiil pve dailies (yes there are pve dailies

) Honestly I wouldve agreed if you were talking about pre-cost nerf Vigor but these days its really easy to get. I'm a very casual pvper but I was able to get Vigor and Caltrops at lvl 20-30-something on a new character.
Undaunted takes more time, but they also made it more accessible by adding a solo daily and a special daily for dlc dungeons. Oh, and since the latest patch they also increased the amount of points youre getting for doing them on normal difficulty. And its also important that leveling undaunted gives you an opportunity to learn your build and rotations. In this game, you cant just jump from solo questing to endgame pve content, youll get stomped (even if you get a 100% optimizd character and gear).
Leveling werewolf can be annoying but it can be done in 1 hour or so in any public dungeon. Leveling vamp? Well, you dont even have to level it, its leveling up as you play the game. Theres no need to slot anything (unlike other skill lines) and you dont have to use any vamp abilities.

Of course, leveling up all those skill lines takes some time, but hey, its an mmo. Why focus on 100% optimal build when you just want to play casually? You can be 100% viable in pretty much every pve instance with a set of crafted gear and regular class/weapon skills.

starkerealm · June 2017

Joy_Division wrote: »

What are the obscure skills in this game that are hard to get?

Probably talking about Vigor, Dawnbreaker, Meteor, and Undaunted Mettle.

Aisle9 · June 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV97ozaD4vs

BTW

Stamina builds:

Spriggan, as alternative to TFS: found in Bankgorai, overland bosses drop weapons, chest, helmets and pants, delve bosses drop boots and belts, public dungeon bosses drop weapons, gloves and shoulders

Hunding's Rage: crafted set, as alternative to VO, crafted set.

You won't have the same sustain as VO, but such is life.

Rally is an excellent alternative to vigor, learn how to use it. 2H builds are viable now.

Magicka builds:

Law of Julianos: crafted set, ask a crafter or level up clothing.

Necropotence: found in Rivenspire, overland bosses drop weapons, chest, helmets and pants, delve bosses drop boots and belts, public dungeon bosses drop weapons, gloves and shoulders

Hope this helps

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

Can't people recognise a clickbait/troll thread when they see it?

This is pure clickbait.

DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!!

I can't help myself, sorry m8

If I hear the music I must dance!

Turelus · June 2017

Meth and being a ferret... That's where I've been going wrong.

Pallmor · June 2017

Azyle1 wrote: »

Yeah, like what is this post trying to do?
Skills are never hard to get.

Skills that require PvP when you don't PvP
Skills that require you to gather lorebooks from about two factions worth of zones
Skills that require you to do group dungeons when you only solo

Pallmor · June 2017

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

Can't people recognise a clickbait/troll thread when they see it?

This is pure clickbait.

DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!!

Clickbait? What, do you think I get paid for this or something?

Pallmor · June 2017

Joy_Division wrote: »

What are the obscure skills in this game that are hard to get?

Just off the top of my head: Meteor, Vigor, and Caltrops. Of course, you're going to say that they're easy to get, because you're a hardcore player who doesn't mind doing PvP, completing every zone in the game, doing all the hardest dungeons and trials, etc. But to us 90%+ of players out there who are casuals, these can be a real pain.

That's the problem, the people making most builds are elites who've lost touch with the vast majority of the ESO playerbase. They take it for granted that everyone has a sharpened Vet Malstrom weapon, or skills that take days of straight PvP to earn, or gear from dungeons that are impossible to solo, etc.

Pallmor · June 2017

ofSunhold wrote: »

Are methed-up ferrets dextrous?

Huh. Learn something every day.

FYI, they'll also bite the *** out of you if you get between them and their stash.

svartorn · June 2017

Pallmor wrote: »

A bunch of obscure skills that are hard to get
A bunch of gear that you can only get from the hardest trials and dungeons in the game, all with the rarest traits of course
Way more Champion Points than you'll ever have
A playstyle that requires the dexterity of an methed-up ferret

How do people get VMA weapons without VMA weapons???

Pallmor · June 2017

Reverb wrote: »

Way more champion points than you'll ever get? Strange, the majority of people in my guilds, and in my pugs, are max cp. The cap is certainly not unattainable.

You would be very surprised at the average CP for players in this game. It's easy to lose sight of the fact that most players in ESO aren't even in a guild.

Back when they put in the CP cap, ZOS released stats on the average CP in this game per player. They were:

Average CP on PC - 93
Average CP on PS4 - 46
Average CP on XB1 - 44

Now, I'm sure it has went up significantly since then, but I would still be very surprised if it were even 200 CP today, especially with all the new players coming in. Hell, I've been playing on and off since launch and I still only have in the 300's myself. And that's about mid-level for my guild too.

Pallmor · June 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Guys/gals, we can stop. @Pallmor hasn't posted in this thread since he created it.

If he was serious he's come to realize from the responses he still has much to learn to understand the game better or he merely created this thread to get a rise out of people.

Actually, I was just busy doing IRL stuff. And I understand the game just fine. I'm just reminding you that there are a huge number of casuals out there who don't spend their whole lives in this game who would appreciate some more builds that aren't just all designed for the hardcore player.

Pallmor · June 2017

Pallmor wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

What are the obscure skills in this game that are hard to get?

Just off the top of my head: Meteor, Vigor, and Caltrops. Of course, you're going to say that they're easy to get, because you're a hardcore player who doesn't mind doing PvP, completing every zone in the game, doing all the hardest dungeons and trials, etc. But to us 90%+ of players out there who are casuals, these can be a real pain.

That's the problem, the people making most builds are elites who've lost touch with the vast majority of the ESO playerbase. They take it for granted that everyone has a sharpened Vet Malstrom weapon, or skills that take days of straight PvP to earn, or gear from dungeons that are impossible to solo, etc.

Edit: Forgot Warhorn too.

itehache · June 2017

Well, builds are supposed to be designed for end game content, of course they will have end game gear and end game skills. There is always stuff you can swap around if you use common sense.
I follow an old Deltia build as a base but then I have been changing things around as I do not have maelstrom weapons yet. Builds will offer you the best of the best and what you should try to focus on getting, however you can always change them as you please considering what you already have.

Azyle1 · June 2017

Pallmor wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

Yeah, like what is this post trying to do?
Skills are never hard to get.

Skills that require PvP when you don't PvP
Skills that require you to gather lorebooks from about two factions worth of zones
Skills that require you to do group dungeons when you only solo

And you can just go into Cyrodil and repair walls.
I have no clue what this second point is. Doesn't sound hard. Sounds tedious. It IS an MMO...
Speaking of those. Why are you playing Solo? It's a multiplayer game. Whoever does this should stop being the weird anti-social person and experience fun content in the game with others.

Roovin · June 2017

Pallmor wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

Yeah, like what is this post trying to do?
Skills are never hard to get.

Skills that require PvP when you don't PvP
Skills that require you to gather lorebooks from about two factions worth of zones
Skills that require you to do group dungeons when you only solo

Might as well just say that every piece of armor/weapon in the game should be available via soloing.

If you want access to all the skills well....there should be different requirements in order to get access to everything.

starkerealm · June 2017

Pallmor wrote: »

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

Can't people recognise a clickbait/troll thread when they see it?

This is pure clickbait.

DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!!

Clickbait? What, do you think I get paid for this or something?

Yes, in fake internet points.

Pallmor wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

What are the obscure skills in this game that are hard to get?

Just off the top of my head: Meteor, Vigor, and Caltrops. Of course, you're going to say that they're easy to get, because you're a hardcore player who doesn't mind doing PvP, completing every zone in the game, doing all the hardest dungeons and trials, etc. But to us 90%+ of players out there who are casuals, these can be a real pain.

That's the problem, the people making most builds are elites who've lost touch with the vast majority of the ESO playerbase. They take it for granted that everyone has a sharpened Vet Malstrom weapon, or skills that take days of straight PvP to earn, or gear from dungeons that are impossible to solo, etc.

I'd actually say you should step back and realize most of the people making builds are flipping idiots screaming for attention. Hell, last night I was responding to a post from someone who, because Deltia told them to, thought they needed to put 100 points in Tenacity... yeah. *Rolls eyes up into skull.*

Okay, not everyone, but, just because someone posted a build online doesn't mean it's good.

Second, getting Meteor isn't bad. Neither is Vigor or caltrops these days. You can spend four or five hours derping around Cyrodiil, following your alliance, stabbing anything that looks at you funny, getting murdered, but still looking for the action, and earn it.

Meteor is only bad if you don't have the lorebooks addon. Even then, depending on your class, you probably already have access to something that will suit your playstyle. Used to be, you needed to finish the main quest (minimum level 45) then scour your second alliance for books. Now? Just port there, grab stuff, bounce around, and off you go.

VMA weapons are... whatever. They're neat to have, but you don't need them. Seriously. You don't. I mean, you want to complain about instantly useful skills that take forever to unlock, Undaunted Mettle is over there with it's 2-6% boost to all stats.

But, there is no skill unlocked from running trials. Seriously, I'd have to check, but I'm pretty sure they don't even award Undaunted XP. I mean, you get gear. Some of that is pretty nice gear. Fun to use anyway. In the past some of it has been BiS, though I don't think that's true now. I mean, if you're running vet hard mode for gold jewelry, that's different, but still.

apostate9 · June 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

What are the obscure skills in this game that are hard to get?

Probably talking about Vigor, Dawnbreaker, Meteor, and Undaunted Mettle.

The Mages Guild and Fighters Guild ults, and a Rank 5 PVP skill?

Easy to enough to get if you PVE or PVP at all. Meaning, if you play the game for a week or so.

With respect to Vigor in particular...there are people who have a strange, almost fetish-like terror of PvP that is just unnecessary, regardless of whether or not it is a feature that really drew you to ESO or not. PvP in this game can be an absolute riot if you just embrace it, and don't let these forums scare you off.

To anyone who wants vigor...go PvP and get it. Ask to get picked up by an organized group who can show you the ropes. There are a lot of PvP guilds and "Pro puggers" that can and will help, and would love to have you along. So go for it. Don't cry about it, just open your mind, cowboy up and give it a shot. I PROMSIE it will not literally kill you IRL.

max_only · June 2017

apostate9 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

What are the obscure skills in this game that are hard to get?

Probably talking about Vigor, Dawnbreaker, Meteor, and Undaunted Mettle.

The Mages Guild and Fighters Guild ults, and a Rank 5 PVP skill?

Easy to enough to get if you PVE or PVP at all. Meaning, if you play the game for a week or so.

Earning undaunted mettle through pugging dungeons is a special kind of nail splitting torture I can tolerate maybe 4 hours a month so that equals... 1 dungeon and one daily delve lol

HatchetHaro · June 2017

Smasherx74 wrote: »

HatchetHaro wrote: »

1. Skills aren't hard to get
2. There's plenty of alternative gear that is much easier to acquire (e.g. crafted)
3. Get to leveling for those champion points; it's pretty much a rite of passage for gitting gud
4. Rotations aren't hard. For actual trials play though, yeah. You should see how my fingers work while I'm doing vMA. It's all about the muscle memory; get practicing, git gud.

Going to guess you've never hit 40k dps under any circumstances.

1. Nobody wants to spend hours in PVP to get skills for PVE builds.
2. There is no alternative gear for BiS, plus the craftable sets aren't as common in BiS build as they used to be.
3. If you're not good without CP then your build or you're just not good.
4. Rotations aren't hard yet a stalling a few frames or the game network lagging a few miliseconds of input lag can cost you thousands of DPS. When alls said and done proper rotation according to the enemies HP can make a difference of 15k-25k dps.

Sorry to disappoint.

https://youtu.be/lh8CRr104UY

1. Several hours. If you can't spare several hours to level PvP for caltrops, you've got bigger problems.
2. Alternative gear isn't BiS. BiS is BiS. Alternative gear is still closest you can get to BiS without being BiS. In related news, water is wet.
3. Then why was OP complaining about CP? Also, does gaining and assigning more CP not buff you in some way? *gasp*
4. Jumping from 60-80 ms to 250-300 ms (US east coast to Hong Kong) lost me 2k dps on a parse. Weaving becomes a nightmare at high ping, I agree, but it's less of an issue than you think it is. Also, the subject is finger dexterity, not rotations. Get fingering.

apostate9 · June 2017

max_only wrote: »

apostate9 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

What are the obscure skills in this game that are hard to get?

Probably talking about Vigor, Dawnbreaker, Meteor, and Undaunted Mettle.

The Mages Guild and Fighters Guild ults, and a Rank 5 PVP skill?

Easy to enough to get if you PVE or PVP at all. Meaning, if you play the game for a week or so.

Earning undaunted mettle through pugging dungeons is a special kind of nail splitting torture I can tolerate maybe 4 hours a month so that equals... 1 dungeon and one daily delve lol

Agreed, that does tend to make one die a bit inside every time one goes to slay those same robots for the 400th time... but you CAN slow roll it and still play ESO. While mettle is a great passive, it won't break your game not to have it for a few months.

:-)

Tornaad · June 2017

Pallmor wrote: »

A bunch of obscure skills that are hard to get
A bunch of gear that you can only get from the hardest trials and dungeons in the game, all with the rarest traits of course
Way more Champion Points than you'll ever have
A playstyle that requires the dexterity of an methed-up ferret

Nope.
That is one of the reasons I like the builds at https://alcasthq.com/
In addition to the hard to get gear they give a suggestion for easier to get gear to start off with.

starkerealm · June 2017

max_only wrote: »

apostate9 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

What are the obscure skills in this game that are hard to get?

Probably talking about Vigor, Dawnbreaker, Meteor, and Undaunted Mettle.

The Mages Guild and Fighters Guild ults, and a Rank 5 PVP skill?

Easy to enough to get if you PVE or PVP at all. Meaning, if you play the game for a week or so.

Earning undaunted mettle through pugging dungeons is a special kind of nail splitting torture I can tolerate maybe 4 hours a month so that equals... 1 dungeon and one daily delve lol

If Bolgrul sends one more of my alts to Rivenspire, I think I'm going to throw him in the kennels.

kargen27 · June 2017

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

Can't people recognise a clickbait/troll thread when they see it?

This is pure clickbait.

DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!!

Trolls gotta eat just like everybody else.

max_only · June 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

apostate9 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

What are the obscure skills in this game that are hard to get?

Probably talking about Vigor, Dawnbreaker, Meteor, and Undaunted Mettle.

The Mages Guild and Fighters Guild ults, and a Rank 5 PVP skill?

Easy to enough to get if you PVE or PVP at all. Meaning, if you play the game for a week or so.

Earning undaunted mettle through pugging dungeons is a special kind of nail splitting torture I can tolerate maybe 4 hours a month so that equals... 1 dungeon and one daily delve lol

If Bolgrul sends one more of my alts to Rivenspire, I think I'm going to throw him in the kennels.

Fighters guild, mages guild and pvp skills (the ones I needed) are all leveled on my characters. Thankfully I have addons for the lore books. It's Undaunted that I can't seem to get past lvl 5.

I'm willing do anything else other than pug for it. I'd even let Chief-bane have her way with me, just lie back and think of Grahtwood lol

Maybe if the public dungeon achievements counted toward it such that if you kill every public dungeon boss and group event in the game you'd get to undaunted 7.

Horowonnoe · June 2017

max_only wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

apostate9 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

What are the obscure skills in this game that are hard to get?

Probably talking about Vigor, Dawnbreaker, Meteor, and Undaunted Mettle.

The Mages Guild and Fighters Guild ults, and a Rank 5 PVP skill?

Easy to enough to get if you PVE or PVP at all. Meaning, if you play the game for a week or so.

Earning undaunted mettle through pugging dungeons is a special kind of nail splitting torture I can tolerate maybe 4 hours a month so that equals... 1 dungeon and one daily delve lol

If Bolgrul sends one more of my alts to Rivenspire, I think I'm going to throw him in the kennels.

Fighters guild, mages guild and pvp skills (the ones I needed) are all leveled on my characters. Thankfully I have addons for the lore books. It's Undaunted that I can't seem to get past lvl 5.

I'm willing do anything else other than pug for it. I'd even let Chief-bane have her way with me, just lie back and think of Grahtwood lol

Maybe if the public dungeon achievements counted toward it such that if you kill every public dungeon boss and group event in the game you'd get to undaunted 7.

But pugging to get undaunted is so fun!