A summary of every ESO build on the internet

Smasherx74 · June 2017

HatchetHaro wrote: »

1. Skills aren't hard to get
2. There's plenty of alternative gear that is much easier to acquire (e.g. crafted)
3. Get to leveling for those champion points; it's pretty much a rite of passage for gitting gud
4. Rotations aren't hard. For actual trials play though, yeah. You should see how my fingers work while I'm doing vMA. It's all about the muscle memory; get practicing, git gud.

Going to guess you've never hit 40k dps under any circumstances.

1. Nobody wants to spend hours in PVP to get skills for PVE builds.
2. There is no alternative gear for BiS, plus the craftable sets aren't as common in BiS build as they used to be.
3. If you're not good without CP then your build or you're just not good.
4. Rotations aren't hard yet a stalling a few frames or the game network lagging a few miliseconds of input lag can cost you thousands of DPS. When alls said and done proper rotation according to the enemies HP can make a difference of 15k-25k dps.

Beardimus · June 2017

I know what you are saying. The last point being the main thing tho, gear hardly matters to most the pros, they would kick ass anyway. Look at dummy scores between people that weave, weave well or dont at all. Huge differences alone

max_only · June 2017

Pallmor wrote: »

A bunch of obscure skills that are hard to get
A bunch of gear that you can only get from the hardest trials and dungeons in the game, all with the rarest traits of course
Way more Champion Points than you'll ever have
A playstyle that requires the dexterity of an methed-up ferret

Yes and no.

There are hard to get skills. Especially if you don't like pvp. I corpse dragged my nightblade tank through Cyrodiil until Warhorn unlocked and haven't been back since. Also, undaunted levels so very slowly if you are trying to "git gud" for grouping before actually grouping. I suggest checking the achievements panel and focusing on completing those for a huge boost (buying undaunted a drink, finishing lorebook *collections*, etc)

Yeah the best guides are the ones that give you "easier to obtain" gear alternatives, I agree with that.

You'll get there eventually with the CP. just wait until another double exp event happens or use the exp increasing options the game has. Personally I have a lot of enlightenment because I've been too unwell to play. I never thought I'd reach cp 445 in under 12 months because of how slow I usually take it, but here we are.

Yes, the twitchy animation cancelling thing is horrid. Luckily you can complete the game's contents without it, just slowly and outside the competitive circles. At the very least you can practice block-casting or block-cancelling. I've never gotten the hang of bar swap cancelling.

Linaleah · June 2017

Uncle_Sweetshare wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Uncle_Sweetshare wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

What are the obscure skills in this game that are hard to get?

Vigor

you put up a troll face, but guess what. vigor etc can be very annoying to get if you are not a pvper and it REQUIRES to go into a pvp zone to get, and I've yet to find a guide that offered a genuine alternative to it WHILE you are leveling your pvp skill lines to the point where you can unlock vigor. or caltrops. or warhorn. you know

Because there is no alternative.

Just like there's no alternative for those PvP players that need to spend hundreds of hours grinding dungeons for BSW, SPC, WC, etc., and hundreds of hours doing daily pledges for those Impen monster shoulders.

so... do you just keep your bars empty while you spend those hundreds of ours farming the skills you actualy need?

do you see the world in shades of black and white, no in between whatsoever? its min max or nothing?

there are ALWAYS alternatives. they may not be best in slot alternatives, but they ARE alternatives. but given sheer volume of skills you get with ESO? a lot of people could use some help figuring out which of those alternatives work better then others for their specific needs. theory crafters that come up with min maxed builds? i guarantee you went through each and every one of those alternatives, while figuring out which abilities are the most optimal. they just for some reason skip that step of the process when writing guides. at least they stopped skipping that step when it comes to gear sets.

Smmokkee · June 2017

Roovin wrote: »

95% of people on this forum:

ZOS made every class unplayable since morrowind! Now all my characters are useless.

I've seen that posted so many times, and yes they were serious

No doubt reading the forums can be scarier then the true experience.

idk · June 2017

Guys/gals, we can stop. @Pallmor hasn't posted in this thread since he created it.

If he was serious he's come to realize from the responses he still has much to learn to understand the game better or he merely created this thread to get a rise out of people.

Sigma957 · June 2017

It takes stuff all time in pvp to get warnhorn, just doing the Welcome to Cyrodiil quest takes you nearly half way there. The rest just repair walls or help defend a keep, done in 30 minutes.

Azyle1 · June 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Guys/gals, we can stop. @Pallmor hasn't posted in this thread since he created it.

If he was serious he's come to realize from the responses he still has much to learn to understand the game better or he merely created this thread to get a rise out of people.

But there are people that actually agree with him ( I think a few posts up ) so can we argue with them?

alexkdd99 · June 2017

Really? Because most builds I see list alternate gear as well as bis.

Are you making all this up?

Azyle1 · June 2017

Smasherx74 wrote: »

HatchetHaro wrote: »

1. Skills aren't hard to get
2. There's plenty of alternative gear that is much easier to acquire (e.g. crafted)
3. Get to leveling for those champion points; it's pretty much a rite of passage for gitting gud
4. Rotations aren't hard. For actual trials play though, yeah. You should see how my fingers work while I'm doing vMA. It's all about the muscle memory; get practicing, git gud.

Going to guess you've never hit 40k dps under any circumstances.

1. Nobody wants to spend hours in PVP to get skills for PVE builds.
2. There is no alternative gear for BiS, plus the craftable sets aren't as common in BiS build as they used to be.
3. If you're not good without CP then your build or you're just not good.
4. Rotations aren't hard yet a stalling a few frames or the game network lagging a few miliseconds of input lag can cost you thousands of DPS. When alls said and done proper rotation according to the enemies HP can make a difference of 15k-25k dps.

Are you hitting 40K dps?

ShedsHisTail · June 2017

Pallmor wrote: »

A bunch of obscure skills that are hard to get
A bunch of gear that you can only get from the hardest trials and dungeons in the game, all with the rarest traits of course
Way more Champion Points than you'll ever have
A playstyle that requires the dexterity of an methed-up ferret

Well, yeah, the best builds are almost certainly going to require the best gear and maxed out stats.

Uncle_Sweetshare · June 2017

Linaleah wrote: »

Uncle_Sweetshare wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Uncle_Sweetshare wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

What are the obscure skills in this game that are hard to get?

Vigor

you put up a troll face, but guess what. vigor etc can be very annoying to get if you are not a pvper and it REQUIRES to go into a pvp zone to get, and I've yet to find a guide that offered a genuine alternative to it WHILE you are leveling your pvp skill lines to the point where you can unlock vigor. or caltrops. or warhorn. you know

Because there is no alternative.

Just like there's no alternative for those PvP players that need to spend hundreds of hours grinding dungeons for BSW, SPC, WC, etc., and hundreds of hours doing daily pledges for those Impen monster shoulders.

so... do you just keep your bars empty while you spend those hundreds of ours farming the skills you actualy need?

do you see the world in shades of black and white, no in between whatsoever? its min max or nothing?

there are ALWAYS alternatives. they may not be best in slot alternatives, but they ARE alternatives. but given sheer volume of skills you get with ESO? a lot of people could use some help figuring out which of those alternatives work better then others for their specific needs. theory crafters that come up with min maxed builds? i guarantee you went through each and every one of those alternatives, while figuring out which abilities are the most optimal. they just for some reason skip that step of the process when writing guides. at least they stopped skipping that step when it comes to gear sets.

I misread due to the complete lack of grammar and thought he was saying there's no alternative to PvP to earn AP and advance your Alliance Rank in order to unlock skills, not that there was no alternative to Vigor, of which there are many.

Cute rant though! Although, if it takes you hundreds of hours to unlock Vigor, you might want to consider Hello Kitty Island Adventure as a peaceful alternative to ESO.

apostate9 · June 2017

Pallmor wrote: »

A bunch of obscure skills that are hard to get
A bunch of gear that you can only get from the hardest trials and dungeons in the game, all with the rarest traits of course
Way more Champion Points than you'll ever have
A playstyle that requires the dexterity of an methed-up ferret

What skills are hard to get?
What sets are hard to get? Are all the builds on the Internet telling you to use Mending Mage or Moon Dancer or just quit ?

soll · June 2017

I guess hard to get gear is considered the best, no?

also, for example, Alcast is having "easy-to-get-gear" option, but let's be honest, it's not same results. You can't just go in crafted gear and be BIS.

another factor, good unique builds are kept in secret to avoid spreading information around and get nerf because of it (PVP builds usually)

apostate9 · June 2017

Smasherx74 wrote: »

HatchetHaro wrote: »

1. Skills aren't hard to get
2. There's plenty of alternative gear that is much easier to acquire (e.g. crafted)
3. Get to leveling for those champion points; it's pretty much a rite of passage for gitting gud
4. Rotations aren't hard. For actual trials play though, yeah. You should see how my fingers work while I'm doing vMA. It's all about the muscle memory; get practicing, git gud.

Going to guess you've never hit 40k dps under any circumstances.

1. Nobody wants to spend hours in PVP to get skills for PVE builds.
2. There is no alternative gear for BiS, plus the craftable sets aren't as common in BiS build as they used to be.
3. If you're not good without CP then your build or you're just not good.
4. Rotations aren't hard yet a stalling a few frames or the game network lagging a few miliseconds of input lag can cost you thousands of DPS. When alls said and done proper rotation according to the enemies HP can make a difference of 15k-25k dps.

Nobody wants to spend hours farming the same mindless robots over and over for gear to use in PVP either. It's part of the game you bought. Play the game that exists in reality, or code the game in your imagination. Choose one.

ShedsHisTail · June 2017

What folks need to do, both people making builds and people inspecting other peoples builds, is not assume that being "the best" is the same as being viable.

You don't have to have one of "the best" builds in order to be viable in either PvP or PvE content.

Azyle1 · June 2017

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

What folks need to do, both people making builds and people inspecting other peoples builds, is not assume that being "the best" is the same as being viable.

You don't have to have one of "the best" builds in order to be viable in either PvP or PvE content.

Exactly and you do not need 40K dps to do Vet Trials.

You can do Vet trials (Maybe not HM) with like 25K dps.

Illurian · June 2017

Fusiondk wrote: »

Uh this game has the easiest system for obtaining BiS gear....

Even as someone who has farmed 2 sets of divines SPC (Purple Jewelry etc), BSW and other BiS gear, I have to respectfully disagree.

While it isn't hard to get the gear per se, to get the right traits is the most frustrating, tedious and frankly boring tasks in any MMO. No one likes having to farm the same instance hundreds of times just to get BiS gear, with no guarantee that they won't have to farm it a thousand times more. RNG is frustrating in any MMO.

Drawing a parallel to GW2, where practically BiS gear can be bought through tokens earned by completing dungeons, this RNGrind is extremely difficult in comparison.

MisterBigglesworth · June 2017

New build video out now!

Azyle1 · June 2017

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

New build video out now!

Love it.

Uncle_Sweetshare · June 2017

Illurian wrote: »

Fusiondk wrote: »

Uh this game has the easiest system for obtaining BiS gear....

Even as someone who has farmed 2 sets of divines SPC (Purple Jewelry etc), BSW and other BiS gear, I have to respectfully disagree.

While it isn't hard to get the gear per se, to get the right traits is the most frustrating, tedious and frankly boring tasks in any MMO. No one likes having to farm the same instance hundreds of times just to get BiS gear, with no guarantee that they won't have to farm it a thousand times more. RNG is frustrating in any MMO.

Drawing a parallel to GW2, where practically BiS gear can be bought through tokens earned by completing dungeons, this RNGrind is extremely difficult in comparison.

Can confirm, have spent well over 100 hours solo inside CoA. Still no Sharpened or Defending BSW Sword, or Impen BSW shield. Feelsbadman.

Brrrofski · June 2017

Most people give alternatives.

Alcast's Pve builds are a good example - he always gives other setups that are easy to get.

Also, some builds just plain don't work without certain builds and skills.

Jollygoodusername · June 2017

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

Can't people recognise a clickbait/troll thread when they see it?

This is pure clickbait.

DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!!

It's called satire. Hail Sithis! We learn things every day

Dantaria · June 2017

Azyle1 wrote: »

Exactly and you do not need 40K dps to do Vet Trials.

You can do Vet trials (Maybe not HM) with like 25K dps.

Can confirm

I'll tell even more. With 25k dps you can do vet Craglorn trials relaxedly. You can make it even with team 20k, though that's where thing will get tense and it's in 2 hours frame.

I'll tell even more. 25k purely solo on skeleton is enough for vMoL. However you'll need to a) follow mechanics to the letter; b) find friends for patient progression. Sadly, b) is crucial, because vMoL groups do not like it when things get messy in the end of the Twins. They also don't like Lunar Phase. So people take in 30k+ to make it easy be safe.

Can't tell anything about vHoF yet. However, nHoF... We make it in 3 healers and 7 DDs

Not about DPS for sure, just carefully follow mechanics and you're all cool.

40k is speedrun-HM level and is absolutely not needed if you're not interested in that sort of things.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · June 2017

Linaleah wrote: »

Uncle_Sweetshare wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

What are the obscure skills in this game that are hard to get?

Vigor

you put up a troll face, but guess what. vigor etc can be very annoying to get if you are not a pvper and it REQUIRES to go into a pvp zone to get, and I've yet to find a guide that offered a genuine alternative to it WHILE you are leveling your pvp skill lines to the point where you can unlock vigor. or caltrops. or warhorn. you know

also - everything in undaunted skill lines.

mage/fighter guild lines can be annoying, but at least its mostly just time investment to get them leveled up... unless you are on a console and don't have a handy addon telling you where all the lorebooks are.

vamp/ww skill lines can range from relatively simple to "oh to hell with this" depending on your individual social situation when it comes to getting bitten. at least leveling ww is relatively painless. leveling vamp skill line was "now that i have the achievement? never again, not even if it becomes so good that it ends up being required for some magika builds. no. hell no"

I am certainly a PVE'er but I have leveled to prox det on 10 toons. It just isnt that hard to get. Vigor can be done in an evening.

If you are just scared to death of PVP, here are 2 ways to get AP. One, grab a resto staff and go zerg surfing. Keep up some HoTs and play defensively. Strength in numbers. The second easy way is to buy some siege. Go to whatever home keep is closest to enemy territory and simply never get off your siege unless its to repair it or the walls. Both are boring as hell, but you can get your alliance ranks up very efficiently and never expose yourself to open world combat.

Dixa · June 2017

the best part is how player perceptions change to match these so-called 'guides' and if you can't perform within 99% of these couch-generals then you are booted.

it also seems as if the difficulty of the game is beginning to be balanced around the types of numbers only a small selection of upper crust players can accomplish instead of their performance being a face-roll outlier.

Iselin · June 2017

You must be going to all the wrong places to look for builds.

Everyone worth listening to for builds usually has the ultimate version as well as starter friendly ones with easy to get gear. Look at the Alcast Morrowind builds for example.

Deltia used to be very good for that even having 1-15 builds, 15-25 builds, etc.

But if you watch random YT yahoos, you get what you get.

Minno · June 2017

Not my build. 2 overland sets that cost 4k for the weapons and valkyn skoria.

I refuse to farm obscene amount of times for a specific item. Use one crafted set, then buy the other set pieces. Time = money and less time not having fun in a game means more time spent trying to find that enjoyment.

Streamline the experience; it's ok to run a crafted set and go against the neck-beards.

lauykanson · June 2017

sounds like a L2P issue

Mettaricana · June 2017

That methed up ferret killed me