maintenance on a holiday

Epona222 · June 2017

lagrue wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

wesly.backersb16_ESO wrote: »

Of course maintenance will always interfere someone's schedule, but be honest, this is just a bad moment.

In this time of globalisation, you would expect a bit of flexibility in the maintenance planning. Releasing an expansion on a holiday, Whit Monday, is a bit odd and denies the EU playerbase.

(for the record, Whit Monday is a global christian holiday and a fixed holiday in next countries: Antigua and Barbuda, Anguilla, Austria, the Bahamas, Barbados, Belgium, Cyprus, Denmark, Dominica, France, Germany, Greece, Grenada, Hungary, Iceland, Ivory Coast, Luxembourg, Monaco, Montserrat, the Netherlands, Norway, Romania, Saint Lucia, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Solomon Islands, Switzerland, Togo and Ukraine.) ... I don't want to buy a drink for all those ppl playing ESO off the above listed countries

I know they do stop things for 2 major religious holidays as we know it; Easter and Xmas - and let me just say, although globally celebrated - they are largely commercial holidays who have all but lost their religious meaning and most people who celebrate it don't care about Christianity. Pentecostal monday - on the other hand is purely religious - it's doesn't have a huge commercial aspect tied to it, and so nobody is shutting down their company for it except in countries that mandate it.

And you highlighted that in your own post - it's a CHRISTIAN holiday. IT has nothing to do with Europeans, and everything to do with Christians - I talked to some of my European buddies who have this in their country and they said flat out its not something they celebrate - its for religious people. They just get a day off because conveniently the government decides so - but many European nations have also stopped giving it as a day off for one reason... it's purely religious.

I could sit here and make arguments all day - it doesn't matter because:

1. Somebody will always have a counterargument - and they'll always think they're right, as do I - so bickering won't work for any side.

2. ZOS just doesn't care. They planned their release for tomorrow, they're preparing the servers for a massive influx of players. They're a business, not a holiday convention. And regardless of having a European playerbase - their employees are working in the US, where they observe US holidays. Why would they start throwing more crap into the mix?

3. Get over it and play something else on your day off.

LOL no, actually a lot of Europeans are agnostic or atheist, if they weren't they would be spending the day praying not being at home wanting to play games on a precious paid day off from work. The point is that it is a public holiday - ie. a long weekend, like you have in the US for important holidays for you, like 4th July and stuff, and the game should not be down on the public holiday of a long weekend that affects a lot of the customers, and during the day/evening at that.

Every *** country on Earth has its own public holidays. How hard is it to grasp that the developers are working in the US, and therefore they observe US Public holidays?

If not, how do you determine which countries public holidays should fit in the mix? Because it's pretty well all-or-none elsewise there will be complaints from somebody. If they start making exceptions for Europe... middle east will want it... asia will want it... oceania will want it.... They aren't planning their maintenance to upset you. Quit taking it so personally.

Why are you raging? I have already made the point several times over - they avoid doing maintenance on UK public holidays that are not holidays in the US. This is not a UK public holiday (it actually affects more people) yet has been ignored. I think it must be an error. I really don't get what is so difficult to understand about that LOL.

Why are you so adamant that they MUST do maintenance on a Europe-wide (therefore affecting over 700 million people) public holiday - just to prove what point exactly?

malchior · June 2017

Of course it is about PCs, s/he said "maintenance will probably last a whole day", plus the holiday is today Monday, the XBOX maintenance is tomorrow which is the 6th Tuesday. Therefore, it's not the XBOX one s/he is talking about. You should go read it again.

Also yes, PC players are usually one at this time (when no maint), especially in EU today, CAUSE IT'S THE DAYTIME ON A PUBLIC HOLIDAY. That's the point of the OP.

lagrue wrote: »

malchior wrote: »

This post is about the PC maintenance not console. The date affected is 5th June on EU side of the world, XBOX maintenance is 17 hours behind it.

Sounds like you argue about anything, even though it does not have anything to do with you as you're a console player.

lagrue wrote: »

Niaver wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

What holiday is this?

//shoots guns drink beer #america

Penetecostal monday - on our side of the world, in North American, its called Whit Monday but nobody except extremely fundamental religious people celebrate it. It's nowhere near in the league of Xmas where its expanded to be a social and commercial holiday - Whit Monday is still 100% religious, that's why we don't observe it. It would be like expecting ZOS not to do maintenance on Good Friday, Ash Wednesday or a million other trivial religious holidays. Should we stop maintenance all through Ramadan as well? Where does it end?

Just my 2 cents, but Zenimax being an AMERICAN company, should observe AMERICAN holidays - not the rest of the world's, or else we'll end up in a circle jerk of never doing anything - because let's face it, it's a holiday somewhere, for somebody, for something - every single day.

They don't need a maintance to turn Morrowind on, it's already working right now.

not on consoles it isn't... holy *** people will argue about anything

Do you think all PC players are actually on now lmao? Wait until tomorrow there will be a massive influx of players - all servers - PC AND CONSOLES - are being updated to prepare for this... anybody denying that is dense.

I also don't recall OP saying this is about PC maintenance only - maybe go back and read his post your forum edgelord

lagrue · June 2017

malchior wrote: »

Of course it is about PCs, s/he said "maintenance will probably last a whole day", plus the holiday is today Monday, the XBOX maintenance is tomorrow which is the 6th Tuesday. Therefore, it's not the XBOX one s/he is talking about. You should go read it again.

Also yes, PC players are usually one at this time (when no maint), especially in EU today, CAUSE IT'S THE DAYTIME ON A PUBLIC HOLIDAY. That's the point of the OP.

lagrue wrote: »

malchior wrote: »

This post is about the PC maintenance not console. The date affected is 5th June on EU side of the world, XBOX maintenance is 17 hours behind it.

Sounds like you argue about anything, even though it does not have anything to do with you as you're a console player.

lagrue wrote: »

Niaver wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

What holiday is this?

//shoots guns drink beer #america

Penetecostal monday - on our side of the world, in North American, its called Whit Monday but nobody except extremely fundamental religious people celebrate it. It's nowhere near in the league of Xmas where its expanded to be a social and commercial holiday - Whit Monday is still 100% religious, that's why we don't observe it. It would be like expecting ZOS not to do maintenance on Good Friday, Ash Wednesday or a million other trivial religious holidays. Should we stop maintenance all through Ramadan as well? Where does it end?

Just my 2 cents, but Zenimax being an AMERICAN company, should observe AMERICAN holidays - not the rest of the world's, or else we'll end up in a circle jerk of never doing anything - because let's face it, it's a holiday somewhere, for somebody, for something - every single day.

They don't need a maintance to turn Morrowind on, it's already working right now.

not on consoles it isn't... holy *** people will argue about anything

Do you think all PC players are actually on now lmao? Wait until tomorrow there will be a massive influx of players - all servers - PC AND CONSOLES - are being updated to prepare for this... anybody denying that is dense.

I also don't recall OP saying this is about PC maintenance only - maybe go back and read his post your forum edgelord

I'm on PS4, not Xbox, and the date is clearly today. You're an idiot. IT actually is for Xbox as well - I live in EDT - so it's June 5 for both consoles. Maybe you need to reread.

• [IN PROGRESS] PC/Mac: North American and European megaservers for patch maintenance – June 5, 4:00AM EDT (8:00 UTC)
• Xbox One: North American and European megaservers for patch maintenance – June 5, 9:00PM EDT (June 6, 1:00 UTC)
• PlayStation®4: North American and European megaservers for patch maintenance – June 5, 9:00PM EDT (June 6, 1:00 UTC)

It looks to me like EVERY single one of those says June 5th for EDT. Sorry you Europeans have a sh*t timezone - they're updating based on EDT, not UTC. Everything they do and release has always revolved around EDT... bringing back round the point they're a US company lol.

Saturn · June 2017

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

I mean i understand that ZOS doesnt seem to care much about european players...but doing maintenace that will probably last the whole day on a major european holiday (and i think us too?) is a new low even for zos standards...it seems only us specific holidays matter....

I mean they have to maintenance a some point, considering official release is this week.. That those two things happen to collide is unfortunate, but c'est la vie. I'm more in awe of the people at ZOS who are actually working on a holiday, heh.

Skjoldur · June 2017

Huyen wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

I don't know why people are assuming this is going to be untenably long maintenance. It's not like they're stuffing the whole expansion into it, Morrowind's all already in the game and is working (more or less, at least). It might be longer than usual due to new bugs being found and needing to be squished rather than the normal rigamarole, but saying it's gonna take all day sounds like a load of doomsaying to me.

Go out for a nice lunch on your holiday, ESO will be here when you get back.

Had lunch. Still no eso. Launcher updated to the new skin from Morrowind...if thats all so many people are going to get so mad...

Don't say the new skin was worth waiting when you can play again at 6pm ;-)

FleetwoodSmack · June 2017

lagrue wrote: »

malchior wrote: »

Of course it is about PCs, s/he said "maintenance will probably last a whole day", plus the holiday is today Monday, the XBOX maintenance is tomorrow which is the 6th Tuesday. Therefore, it's not the XBOX one s/he is talking about. You should go read it again.

Also yes, PC players are usually one at this time (when no maint), especially in EU today, CAUSE IT'S THE DAYTIME ON A PUBLIC HOLIDAY. That's the point of the OP.

lagrue wrote: »

malchior wrote: »

This post is about the PC maintenance not console. The date affected is 5th June on EU side of the world, XBOX maintenance is 17 hours behind it.

Sounds like you argue about anything, even though it does not have anything to do with you as you're a console player.

lagrue wrote: »

Niaver wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

What holiday is this?

//shoots guns drink beer #america

Penetecostal monday - on our side of the world, in North American, its called Whit Monday but nobody except extremely fundamental religious people celebrate it. It's nowhere near in the league of Xmas where its expanded to be a social and commercial holiday - Whit Monday is still 100% religious, that's why we don't observe it. It would be like expecting ZOS not to do maintenance on Good Friday, Ash Wednesday or a million other trivial religious holidays. Should we stop maintenance all through Ramadan as well? Where does it end?

Just my 2 cents, but Zenimax being an AMERICAN company, should observe AMERICAN holidays - not the rest of the world's, or else we'll end up in a circle jerk of never doing anything - because let's face it, it's a holiday somewhere, for somebody, for something - every single day.

They don't need a maintance to turn Morrowind on, it's already working right now.

not on consoles it isn't... holy *** people will argue about anything

Do you think all PC players are actually on now lmao? Wait until tomorrow there will be a massive influx of players - all servers - PC AND CONSOLES - are being updated to prepare for this... anybody denying that is dense.

I also don't recall OP saying this is about PC maintenance only - maybe go back and read his post your forum edgelord

I'm on PS4, not Xbox, and the date is clearly today. You're an idiot. IT actually is for Xbox as well - I live in EDT - so it's June 5 for both consoles. Maybe you need to reread.

Maybe if we do it this way, they'll see it;

Maintenance for the week of June 5:
• [IN PROGRESS] PC/Mac: North American and European megaservers for patch maintenance – June 5, 4:00AM EDT (8:00 UTC)
• Xbox One: North American and European megaservers for patch maintenance – June 5, 9:00PM EDT (June 6, 1:00 UTC)
• PlayStation®4: North American and European megaservers for patch maintenance – June 5, 9:00PM EDT (June 6, 1:00 UTC)
• ESO Store and Account System for maintenance – June 6, 3:00AM EDT (7:00 UTC)

XhizorBE · June 2017

Keep_Door wrote: »

If its such an important "holiday" why would you be sitting at your computer playing games and not spending it with family and freinds?

YOur missing the point totally

But i do agree that people getting way to dramatic about this subject, its only one day maintenance and sure it takes way to long sometimes. But still life is much more than a video game, and if you like playing video games in your free time there are tons of other games you can play. Its not like this the only game that is decent ?

So some of the complainers are really big addicts and drama queens. But to be honest they have a point bethesda could do things much better.

Skjoldur · June 2017

lagrue wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

wesly.backersb16_ESO wrote: »

Of course maintenance will always interfere someone's schedule, but be honest, this is just a bad moment.

In this time of globalisation, you would expect a bit of flexibility in the maintenance planning. Releasing an expansion on a holiday, Whit Monday, is a bit odd and denies the EU playerbase.

(for the record, Whit Monday is a global christian holiday and a fixed holiday in next countries: Antigua and Barbuda, Anguilla, Austria, the Bahamas, Barbados, Belgium, Cyprus, Denmark, Dominica, France, Germany, Greece, Grenada, Hungary, Iceland, Ivory Coast, Luxembourg, Monaco, Montserrat, the Netherlands, Norway, Romania, Saint Lucia, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Solomon Islands, Switzerland, Togo and Ukraine.) ... I don't want to buy a drink for all those ppl playing ESO off the above listed countries

I know they do stop things for 2 major religious holidays as we know it; Easter and Xmas - and let me just say, although globally celebrated - they are largely commercial holidays who have all but lost their religious meaning and most people who celebrate it don't care about Christianity. Pentecostal monday - on the other hand is purely religious - it's doesn't have a huge commercial aspect tied to it, and so nobody is shutting down their company for it except in countries that mandate it.

And you highlighted that in your own post - it's a CHRISTIAN holiday. IT has nothing to do with Europeans, and everything to do with Christians - I talked to some of my European buddies who have this in their country and they said flat out its not something they celebrate - its for religious people. They just get a day off because conveniently the government decides so - but many European nations have also stopped giving it as a day off for one reason... it's purely religious.

I could sit here and make arguments all day - it doesn't matter because:

1. Somebody will always have a counterargument - and they'll always think they're right, as do I - so bickering won't work for any side.

2. ZOS just doesn't care. They planned their release for tomorrow, they're preparing the servers for a massive influx of players. They're a business, not a holiday convention. And regardless of having a European playerbase - their employees are working in the US, where they observe US holidays. Why would they start throwing more crap into the mix?

3. Get over it and play something else on your day off.

LOL no, actually a lot of Europeans are agnostic or atheist, if they weren't they would be spending the day praying not being at home wanting to play games on a precious paid day off from work. The point is that it is a public holiday - ie. a long weekend, like you have in the US for important holidays for you, like 4th July and stuff, and the game should not be down on the public holiday of a long weekend that affects a lot of the customers, and during the day/evening at that.

Every *** country on Earth has its own public holidays. How hard is it to grasp that the developers are working in the US, and therefore they observe US Public holidays?

If not, how do you determine which countries public holidays should fit in the mix? Because it's pretty well all-or-none elsewise there will be complaints from somebody. If they start making exceptions for Europe... middle east will want it... asia will want it... oceania will want it.... They aren't planning their maintenance to upset you. Quit taking it so personally.

Read the above listed countries that are impacted today and then come back. Individual countries can't be taken into account. The majority of a continent can and should, regardless of where they are.

DDemon · June 2017

lagrue wrote: »

malchior wrote: »

Of course it is about PCs, s/he said "maintenance will probably last a whole day", plus the holiday is today Monday, the XBOX maintenance is tomorrow which is the 6th Tuesday. Therefore, it's not the XBOX one s/he is talking about. You should go read it again.

Also yes, PC players are usually one at this time (when no maint), especially in EU today, CAUSE IT'S THE DAYTIME ON A PUBLIC HOLIDAY. That's the point of the OP.

lagrue wrote: »

malchior wrote: »

This post is about the PC maintenance not console. The date affected is 5th June on EU side of the world, XBOX maintenance is 17 hours behind it.

Sounds like you argue about anything, even though it does not have anything to do with you as you're a console player.

lagrue wrote: »

Niaver wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

What holiday is this?

//shoots guns drink beer #america

Penetecostal monday - on our side of the world, in North American, its called Whit Monday but nobody except extremely fundamental religious people celebrate it. It's nowhere near in the league of Xmas where its expanded to be a social and commercial holiday - Whit Monday is still 100% religious, that's why we don't observe it. It would be like expecting ZOS not to do maintenance on Good Friday, Ash Wednesday or a million other trivial religious holidays. Should we stop maintenance all through Ramadan as well? Where does it end?

Just my 2 cents, but Zenimax being an AMERICAN company, should observe AMERICAN holidays - not the rest of the world's, or else we'll end up in a circle jerk of never doing anything - because let's face it, it's a holiday somewhere, for somebody, for something - every single day.

They don't need a maintance to turn Morrowind on, it's already working right now.

not on consoles it isn't... holy *** people will argue about anything

Do you think all PC players are actually on now lmao? Wait until tomorrow there will be a massive influx of players - all servers - PC AND CONSOLES - are being updated to prepare for this... anybody denying that is dense.

I also don't recall OP saying this is about PC maintenance only - maybe go back and read his post your forum edgelord

I'm on PS4, not Xbox, and the date is clearly today. You're an idiot. IT actually is for Xbox as well - I live in EDT - so it's June 5 for both consoles. Maybe you need to reread.

• [IN PROGRESS] PC/Mac: North American and European megaservers for patch maintenance – June 5, 4:00AM EDT (8:00 UTC)
• Xbox One: North American and European megaservers for patch maintenance – June 5, 9:00PM EDT (June 6, 1:00 UTC)
• PlayStation®4: North American and European megaservers for patch maintenance – June 5, 9:00PM EDT (June 6, 1:00 UTC)

It looks to me like EVERY single one of those says June 5th for EDT. Sorry you Europeans have a sh*t timezone - they're updating based on EDT, not UTC. Everything they do and release has always revolved around EDT... bringing back round the point they're a US company lol.

The PS4 one is actually around 3am for most of europe, if I can believe google. Pretty sure very few people will be playing then.

malchior · June 2017

You're the one that can't read. 5th June for consoles is no longer 5th June in Europe, it is 1AM 6th June. The complaint is about EU not about US. EDT is US timezone not EU.

Again, this complaint is about EU players not US. Go read the whole thing again.

lagrue wrote: »

malchior wrote: »

Of course it is about PCs, s/he said "maintenance will probably last a whole day", plus the holiday is today Monday, the XBOX maintenance is tomorrow which is the 6th Tuesday. Therefore, it's not the XBOX one s/he is talking about. You should go read it again.

Also yes, PC players are usually one at this time (when no maint), especially in EU today, CAUSE IT'S THE DAYTIME ON A PUBLIC HOLIDAY. That's the point of the OP.

lagrue wrote: »

malchior wrote: »

This post is about the PC maintenance not console. The date affected is 5th June on EU side of the world, XBOX maintenance is 17 hours behind it.

Sounds like you argue about anything, even though it does not have anything to do with you as you're a console player.

lagrue wrote: »

Niaver wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

What holiday is this?

//shoots guns drink beer #america

Penetecostal monday - on our side of the world, in North American, its called Whit Monday but nobody except extremely fundamental religious people celebrate it. It's nowhere near in the league of Xmas where its expanded to be a social and commercial holiday - Whit Monday is still 100% religious, that's why we don't observe it. It would be like expecting ZOS not to do maintenance on Good Friday, Ash Wednesday or a million other trivial religious holidays. Should we stop maintenance all through Ramadan as well? Where does it end?

Just my 2 cents, but Zenimax being an AMERICAN company, should observe AMERICAN holidays - not the rest of the world's, or else we'll end up in a circle jerk of never doing anything - because let's face it, it's a holiday somewhere, for somebody, for something - every single day.

They don't need a maintance to turn Morrowind on, it's already working right now.

not on consoles it isn't... holy *** people will argue about anything

Do you think all PC players are actually on now lmao? Wait until tomorrow there will be a massive influx of players - all servers - PC AND CONSOLES - are being updated to prepare for this... anybody denying that is dense.

I also don't recall OP saying this is about PC maintenance only - maybe go back and read his post your forum edgelord

I'm on PS4, not Xbox, and the date is clearly today. You're an idiot. IT actually is for Xbox as well - I live in EDT - so it's June 5 for both consoles. Maybe you need to reread.

• [IN PROGRESS] PC/Mac: North American and European megaservers for patch maintenance – June 5, 4:00AM EDT (8:00 UTC)
• Xbox One: North American and European megaservers for patch maintenance – June 5, 9:00PM EDT (June 6, 1:00 UTC)
• PlayStation®4: North American and European megaservers for patch maintenance – June 5, 9:00PM EDT (June 6, 1:00 UTC)

It looks to me like EVERY single one of those says June 5th for EDT. Sorry you Europeans have a sh*t timezone - they're updating based on EDT, not UTC. Everything they do and release has always revolved around EDT... bringing back round the point they're a US company lol.

XhizorBE · June 2017

Gargath wrote: »

No idea why the mostly secular West has a free day in religious holliday but ok, however it doesn't mean all Europe has it. In PL we have holiday only on Sunday. On Monday we work hard, so stop complaining.

Don't force other people what they should do, just because you don't agree with them.

Also we don't care that polish people work hard, they don't produce as much like western europe do in lesser work hours Search it up if you wanna bragg about poland then bragg about your woman-nature, culture. Not about work, there is a reason that your country is still economic bad ..........

Its not about working hard, its about working smart

Huyen · June 2017

Funny how everyone keeps saying its a US compangy, and the holiday is christian only. Guess what? Most freaking christians are living in the US!

Epona222 · June 2017

Skjoldur wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

wesly.backersb16_ESO wrote: »

Of course maintenance will always interfere someone's schedule, but be honest, this is just a bad moment.

In this time of globalisation, you would expect a bit of flexibility in the maintenance planning. Releasing an expansion on a holiday, Whit Monday, is a bit odd and denies the EU playerbase.

(for the record, Whit Monday is a global christian holiday and a fixed holiday in next countries: Antigua and Barbuda, Anguilla, Austria, the Bahamas, Barbados, Belgium, Cyprus, Denmark, Dominica, France, Germany, Greece, Grenada, Hungary, Iceland, Ivory Coast, Luxembourg, Monaco, Montserrat, the Netherlands, Norway, Romania, Saint Lucia, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Solomon Islands, Switzerland, Togo and Ukraine.) ... I don't want to buy a drink for all those ppl playing ESO off the above listed countries

I know they do stop things for 2 major religious holidays as we know it; Easter and Xmas - and let me just say, although globally celebrated - they are largely commercial holidays who have all but lost their religious meaning and most people who celebrate it don't care about Christianity. Pentecostal monday - on the other hand is purely religious - it's doesn't have a huge commercial aspect tied to it, and so nobody is shutting down their company for it except in countries that mandate it.

And you highlighted that in your own post - it's a CHRISTIAN holiday. IT has nothing to do with Europeans, and everything to do with Christians - I talked to some of my European buddies who have this in their country and they said flat out its not something they celebrate - its for religious people. They just get a day off because conveniently the government decides so - but many European nations have also stopped giving it as a day off for one reason... it's purely religious.

I could sit here and make arguments all day - it doesn't matter because:

1. Somebody will always have a counterargument - and they'll always think they're right, as do I - so bickering won't work for any side.

2. ZOS just doesn't care. They planned their release for tomorrow, they're preparing the servers for a massive influx of players. They're a business, not a holiday convention. And regardless of having a European playerbase - their employees are working in the US, where they observe US holidays. Why would they start throwing more crap into the mix?

3. Get over it and play something else on your day off.

LOL no, actually a lot of Europeans are agnostic or atheist, if they weren't they would be spending the day praying not being at home wanting to play games on a precious paid day off from work. The point is that it is a public holiday - ie. a long weekend, like you have in the US for important holidays for you, like 4th July and stuff, and the game should not be down on the public holiday of a long weekend that affects a lot of the customers, and during the day/evening at that.

Every *** country on Earth has its own public holidays. How hard is it to grasp that the developers are working in the US, and therefore they observe US Public holidays?

If not, how do you determine which countries public holidays should fit in the mix? Because it's pretty well all-or-none elsewise there will be complaints from somebody. If they start making exceptions for Europe... middle east will want it... asia will want it... oceania will want it.... They aren't planning their maintenance to upset you. Quit taking it so personally.

Read the above listed countries that are impacted today and then come back. Individual countries can't be taken into account. The majority of a continent can and should, regardless of where they are.

I agree with that, I am not sure that some of the people arguing against it even understand the concept though.

Faulgor · June 2017

lagrue wrote: »

And you highlighted that in your own post - it's a CHRISTIAN holiday. IT has nothing to do with Europeans, and everything to do with Christians - I talked to some of my European buddies who have this in their country and they said flat out its not something they celebrate - its for religious people. They just get a day off because conveniently the government decides so - but many European nations have also stopped giving it as a day off for one reason... it's purely religious.

I don't see how that matters, but there seems to be a very different understanding of what a holiday is.
Just an FYI, almost all holidays at least in Germany are Christian holidays - except for the national holiday and January and May 1st. That doesn't mean only Christians deserve to have a day off, nor does it mean only Christians can celebrate. Especially for Ascension of Jesus and Pentecost, secular traditions have been established for quite some time.

"They just get off because conveniently their government decides so" - as opposed to why else?

drakhan2002_ESO · June 2017

Hopefully this thread will get closed; it is devolving into a political/religious discussion about holidays...who cares? It's maintenance - it's going to happen...deal.

lagrue · June 2017

Huyen wrote: »

Funny how everyone keeps saying its a US compangy, and the holiday is christian only. Guess what? Most freaking christians are living in the US!

And yet the US doesn't revolve around Christianity... they have this EXACT same holiday but they don't celebrate it as a public holiday lol

lagrue · June 2017

malchior wrote: »

You're the one that can't read. 5th June for consoles is no longer 5th June in Europe, it is 1AM 6th June. The complaint is about EU not about US. EDT is US timezone not EU.

Again, this complaint is about EU players not US. Go read the whole thing again.

lagrue wrote: »

malchior wrote: »

Of course it is about PCs, s/he said "maintenance will probably last a whole day", plus the holiday is today Monday, the XBOX maintenance is tomorrow which is the 6th Tuesday. Therefore, it's not the XBOX one s/he is talking about. You should go read it again.

Also yes, PC players are usually one at this time (when no maint), especially in EU today, CAUSE IT'S THE DAYTIME ON A PUBLIC HOLIDAY. That's the point of the OP.

lagrue wrote: »

malchior wrote: »

This post is about the PC maintenance not console. The date affected is 5th June on EU side of the world, XBOX maintenance is 17 hours behind it.

Sounds like you argue about anything, even though it does not have anything to do with you as you're a console player.

lagrue wrote: »

Niaver wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

What holiday is this?

//shoots guns drink beer #america

Penetecostal monday - on our side of the world, in North American, its called Whit Monday but nobody except extremely fundamental religious people celebrate it. It's nowhere near in the league of Xmas where its expanded to be a social and commercial holiday - Whit Monday is still 100% religious, that's why we don't observe it. It would be like expecting ZOS not to do maintenance on Good Friday, Ash Wednesday or a million other trivial religious holidays. Should we stop maintenance all through Ramadan as well? Where does it end?

Just my 2 cents, but Zenimax being an AMERICAN company, should observe AMERICAN holidays - not the rest of the world's, or else we'll end up in a circle jerk of never doing anything - because let's face it, it's a holiday somewhere, for somebody, for something - every single day.

They don't need a maintance to turn Morrowind on, it's already working right now.

not on consoles it isn't... holy *** people will argue about anything

Do you think all PC players are actually on now lmao? Wait until tomorrow there will be a massive influx of players - all servers - PC AND CONSOLES - are being updated to prepare for this... anybody denying that is dense.

I also don't recall OP saying this is about PC maintenance only - maybe go back and read his post your forum edgelord

I'm on PS4, not Xbox, and the date is clearly today. You're an idiot. IT actually is for Xbox as well - I live in EDT - so it's June 5 for both consoles. Maybe you need to reread.

• [IN PROGRESS] PC/Mac: North American and European megaservers for patch maintenance – June 5, 4:00AM EDT (8:00 UTC)
• Xbox One: North American and European megaservers for patch maintenance – June 5, 9:00PM EDT (June 6, 1:00 UTC)
• PlayStation®4: North American and European megaservers for patch maintenance – June 5, 9:00PM EDT (June 6, 1:00 UTC)

It looks to me like EVERY single one of those says June 5th for EDT. Sorry you Europeans have a sh*t timezone - they're updating based on EDT, not UTC. Everything they do and release has always revolved around EDT... bringing back round the point they're a US company lol.

And as I stated - ZOS does their releases and maintenance based on EDT - if it falls on a different date in EU timezones, too bad.

Epona222 · June 2017

lagrue wrote: »

Huyen wrote: »

Funny how everyone keeps saying its a US compangy, and the holiday is christian only. Guess what? Most freaking christians are living in the US!

And yet the US doesn't revolve around Christianity... they have this EXACT same holiday but they don't celebrate it as a public holiday lol

I think it's largely because in the US they don't like to give people so many paid days off work - Europe is fairly generous with the days it grants as public holidays in comparison. The only reason we don't get Whit Monday off in the UK is because it was changed into the Spring Bank Holiday which sometimes (like this year) occurs the Monday before (because that is always the last Monday in May, whereas Whit Monday is the 5th after Easter so it moves).

EDIT: And as I already suggested, Zeni could avoid most of this in future by doing maintenance on a different day, since many public holidays are consolidated to make a long weekend, and hence fall on a Monday. So maintenance on Tuesdays would avoid most similar incidents in future.

FleetwoodSmack · June 2017

drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »

Hopefully this thread will get closed; it is devolving into a political/religious discussion about holidays...who cares? It's maintenance - it's going to happen...deal.

This. Not to mention the server's up, so not sure why people are still beating a dead horse. Btw, the 'not sure why' is rhetorical.

Rickter · June 2017

Look, nothing against other countries but ESO and entire The Elder Scrolls IP was solely developed by an American company.

Their employees are American.

You cannot complain when you play another countries game and they dont cater to the holidays and traditions of your country. American company's employees are American and their time off and holidays revolve around that country.

Just relax and spend some time with friends and family in real life.

Epona222 · June 2017

Rickter wrote: »

Look, nothing against other countries but ESO and entire The Elder Scrolls IP was solely developed by an American company.

Their employees are American.

You cannot complain when you play another countries game and they dont cater to the holidays and traditions of your country. American company's employees are American and their time off and holidays revolve around that country.

Just relax and spend some time with friends and family in real life.

LOL, that's hilarious - you do know that ESO has more EU players than US, right?

andreasv · June 2017

Epona222 wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Look, nothing against other countries but ESO and entire The Elder Scrolls IP was solely developed by an American company.

Their employees are American.

You cannot complain when you play another countries game and they dont cater to the holidays and traditions of your country. American company's employees are American and their time off and holidays revolve around that country.

Just relax and spend some time with friends and family in real life.

LOL, that's hilarious - you do know that ESO has more EU players than US, right?

How do you know that?

malchior · June 2017

Called me an idiot and jus ended with "too bad". Falls on a different date? That's not even the date the OP is complaining about.

I'm sure all the readers will be able to see that you lost the argument, move long.

lagrue wrote: »

malchior wrote: »

You're the one that can't read. 5th June for consoles is no longer 5th June in Europe, it is 1AM 6th June. The complaint is about EU not about US. EDT is US timezone not EU.

Again, this complaint is about EU players not US. Go read the whole thing again.

lagrue wrote: »

malchior wrote: »

Of course it is about PCs, s/he said "maintenance will probably last a whole day", plus the holiday is today Monday, the XBOX maintenance is tomorrow which is the 6th Tuesday. Therefore, it's not the XBOX one s/he is talking about. You should go read it again.

Also yes, PC players are usually one at this time (when no maint), especially in EU today, CAUSE IT'S THE DAYTIME ON A PUBLIC HOLIDAY. That's the point of the OP.

lagrue wrote: »

malchior wrote: »

This post is about the PC maintenance not console. The date affected is 5th June on EU side of the world, XBOX maintenance is 17 hours behind it.

Sounds like you argue about anything, even though it does not have anything to do with you as you're a console player.

lagrue wrote: »

Niaver wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

What holiday is this?

//shoots guns drink beer #america

Penetecostal monday - on our side of the world, in North American, its called Whit Monday but nobody except extremely fundamental religious people celebrate it. It's nowhere near in the league of Xmas where its expanded to be a social and commercial holiday - Whit Monday is still 100% religious, that's why we don't observe it. It would be like expecting ZOS not to do maintenance on Good Friday, Ash Wednesday or a million other trivial religious holidays. Should we stop maintenance all through Ramadan as well? Where does it end?

Just my 2 cents, but Zenimax being an AMERICAN company, should observe AMERICAN holidays - not the rest of the world's, or else we'll end up in a circle jerk of never doing anything - because let's face it, it's a holiday somewhere, for somebody, for something - every single day.

They don't need a maintance to turn Morrowind on, it's already working right now.

not on consoles it isn't... holy *** people will argue about anything

Do you think all PC players are actually on now lmao? Wait until tomorrow there will be a massive influx of players - all servers - PC AND CONSOLES - are being updated to prepare for this... anybody denying that is dense.

I also don't recall OP saying this is about PC maintenance only - maybe go back and read his post your forum edgelord

I'm on PS4, not Xbox, and the date is clearly today. You're an idiot. IT actually is for Xbox as well - I live in EDT - so it's June 5 for both consoles. Maybe you need to reread.

• [IN PROGRESS] PC/Mac: North American and European megaservers for patch maintenance – June 5, 4:00AM EDT (8:00 UTC)
• Xbox One: North American and European megaservers for patch maintenance – June 5, 9:00PM EDT (June 6, 1:00 UTC)
• PlayStation®4: North American and European megaservers for patch maintenance – June 5, 9:00PM EDT (June 6, 1:00 UTC)

It looks to me like EVERY single one of those says June 5th for EDT. Sorry you Europeans have a sh*t timezone - they're updating based on EDT, not UTC. Everything they do and release has always revolved around EDT... bringing back round the point they're a US company lol.

And as I stated - ZOS does their releases and maintenance based on EDT - if it falls on a different date in EU timezones, too bad.

Saturnana · June 2017

lagrue wrote: »

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

I mean i understand that ZOS doesnt seem to care much about european players...but doing maintenace that will probably last the whole day on a major european holiday (and i think us too?) is a new low even for zos standards...it seems only us specific holidays matter....

are you serious lol? like 100% serious?

They're preparing to launch a *** expansion, they have bigger tasks at hand then pandering to 'European' holidays (which we actually do have here, just nobody expects the world to stop for it). Do you really expect them to just not release the product they've had slated for over half a year now? Do you REALLY expect that? Or are you just making a fool of yourself for no reason?

Enjoy your "holiday" aka an excuse to sit on the computer all day. If anything most people should be happy it's on a holiday - because holidays are generally reserved for family time - but we all know that's not actually the case here, a holiday in your eyes is just the equivalent of a day off work - and you're mad that maintenance (which is actually to set up launch of a product) coincides with day off.

Sorry you lost your family or w/e but that's not Zenimax problem and expecting them to bring their business to a halt so you can play a game on your holiday is just sad and pathetic.

Nice rant, but...

Why shouldn't a global company, offering a global product played by a global membership, be aware of issues beyond their own national borders?

Yes, Morrowind has been lined-up for release for a while now, but why didn't they give that release date a little more consideration? Those national holidays have been in place for a bit longer than ESO has been in business

A bit of forethought would have avoided this problem, and guess what... nobody would have complained about a release date one week later.

Particularly if ESO had used that extra week wisely fixing bugs...

It doesn't affect me because we don't have that holiday in the UK, and I have early access to Morrowind in any case, but I see no reason to get all bent out of shape because other people aren't happy about the timing. Why so angry?

Simple - ZOS isn't a "global company" - they're an American company that provides a global product, big difference, case closed.

Global product, global playerbase, global infrastructure - EU server in Germany - kind of hints at global company...

Apple is incorporated in the US, but is a global company.

So, case reopened...

And again, why so angry? Does it make any difference to you?

I'm not angry - I did edit my response to your to explain this - I just think it's pathetic somebody is going to sit there and call an entire company "low" for not observing their holiday - why are you playing devil's advocate?

Do you also think Zenimax should stop any updates/releases/maintenance during Ramadan?

Ramadan 2017 began in the evening of
Friday, May 26
and ends in the evening of
Saturday, June 24

If so - then your joking idea of releasing a week earlier would have cause problems for somebody else - and it's a cycle that would never end. It is ALWAYS a holiday somewhere, for somebody.

Zeinmax Studios is based in America, its employees observe American holidays - it's REALLY not difficult to grasp.

I don't know how many Muslim friends/colleagues you have, and how they behave during Ramadan, but mine sure as hell don't get a whole month off. They come in to work just as I do. Only thing that's changed is that we have to wait a little longer before we can have dinner with our friends.

The point being made here is that Pentacost Monday, even though many in Europe are not Christian, is a day off for A LOT of people. The country that has a huge - maybe largest - EU playerbase and that hosts the EU server (Germany) has a day off too. I know because I just came back from spending the weekend there. A lot of players are bummed out because they can't play on their days off like US players can. Of course, we know that this is because ZOS staff is off on those days and they don't have monkeys to do maintenance for them, but it bums us nonetheless.

ZOS_Bill · June 2017

As this thread continues to go off-topic into politics even after the earlier warning, we are closing the discussion down. Please be aware that political discussion is considered inappropriate for the forums and therefore against the forum rules.