maintenance on a holiday

Tan9oSuccka

Murica!! So, you guys want a US based company to not complete essential maintenance (prior to a large expansion) during a European holiday?

The Uninvited

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Murica!! So, you guys want a US based company to not complete essential maintenance (prior to a large expansion) during a European holiday?

Again, the patch for this expansion was already on PC two weeks ago.

Niaver

lagrue wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

What holiday is this?

//shoots guns drink beer #america

Penetecostal monday - on our side of the world, in North American, its called Whit Monday but nobody except extremely fundamental religious people celebrate it. It's nowhere near in the league of Xmas where its expanded to be a social and commercial holiday - Whit Monday is still 100% religious, that's why we don't observe it. It would be like expecting ZOS not to do maintenance on Good Friday, Ash Wednesday or a million other trivial religious holidays. Should we stop maintenance all through Ramadan as well? Where does it end?

Just my 2 cents, but Zenimax being an AMERICAN company, should observe AMERICAN holidays - not the rest of the world's, or else we'll end up in a circle jerk of never doing anything - because let's face it, it's a holiday somewhere, for somebody, for something - every single day.

They don't need a maintance to turn Morrowind on, it's already working right now.

TheValar85

Well to be honest EU should be the rpiority cos the population in EU is way higer then in the US, so if i were them i would prioritise the populated ones. Also the time deferencies between the 2 continent as large. If i were to ZOS i would send the package to the EU 2 or 3 days before the patching maintances, and then when the HQ say to lunch it and eu will do, and will be up at the exact same time as it should be before the midd day trafic, wich is stratigcly way better then Make EU waiting for a half day for a patch, while when US Wake up they can happly play along like nothing happend, while we have to wait the most. This is not accaptable. we ar all a paying coustumers, in that case to be equalent to US you should set up a primary HQ to EU too, because this is a mess, and always leav behind angry and unsetisfied players comments, and actions.
you must re schedule the EU realm maintances to the night like 3AM to 9AM. so we can have the same treat ment as US have, we sleep well, you do your work, we wake up and tadam, we havent noticed a maintance or a patching nice and we can play as the US too yeey, happy players everywhere, wiouth the annoyenc of your chaothyc patching and maintance scheduleties in the middle of the F-ing day or Hollydays.

Karadim

Any ETA on this? FYI even if Zenimax is an American(oh my bad AMERICAN, forgot you use caps) company, they do deliver services all over the world. Hence they should respect that. If it wasn't for Morrowind's release tomorrow i'd be more upset, but as you know, we Europeans don't shout as loud as you'r average American(oh forgot it again AMERICAN) so thanks for that.

Or do as other companies like Blizzard/SE and keep it to a minimum on holidays. But alas.

Alchemical

I don't know why people are assuming this is going to be untenably long maintenance. It's not like they're stuffing the whole expansion into it, Morrowind's all already in the game and is working (more or less, at least). It might be longer than usual due to new bugs being found and needing to be squished rather than the normal rigamarole, but saying it's gonna take all day sounds like a load of doomsaying to me.

Go out for a nice lunch on your holiday, ESO will be here when you get back.

Epona222

Alchemical wrote: »

I don't know why people are assuming this is going to be untenably long maintenance. It's not like they're stuffing the whole expansion into it, Morrowind's all already in the game and is working (more or less, at least). It might be longer than usual due to new bugs being found and needing to be squished rather than the normal rigamarole, but saying it's gonna take all day sounds like a load of doomsaying to me.

Go out for a nice lunch on your holiday, ESO will be here when you get back.

It's already gone lunchtime here, and getting on towards evening in other parts of Europe, on a public holiday. It's that timezone thing.

Huyen

Alchemical wrote: »

I don't know why people are assuming this is going to be untenably long maintenance. It's not like they're stuffing the whole expansion into it, Morrowind's all already in the game and is working (more or less, at least). It might be longer than usual due to new bugs being found and needing to be squished rather than the normal rigamarole, but saying it's gonna take all day sounds like a load of doomsaying to me.

Go out for a nice lunch on your holiday, ESO will be here when you get back.

Had lunch. Still no eso. Launcher updated to the new skin from Morrowind...if thats all so many people are going to get so mad...

Alchemical

Epona222 wrote: »

It's already gone lunchtime here.

I know, that's why I said it. I know how to count backwards.

If it's already evening in eastern Europe, it means the servers were still up during their morning, everyone's losing exactly as much time in game as everyone else.

Martinus72

What a bummer...
Just done 5 shifts at work, my better half is fast asleep after her night shift, nice time to spend in Tamriel to which I have just returned after long hiatus and this...
It's like going back to dark ages of WoW (2005-2006) when servers were shut down for most of the day time as they pleased, now they've gone long way to learn how to care for customers. Nowadays maintenances are at different times on NA and EU servers to make sure it's always done in down time at early morning hours to minimise inconvenience for customers.
Seems like ZOS has got this lesson to learn yet and hopefully they will sooner than later.

Tan9oSuccka

TheValar85 wrote: »

Well to be honest EU should be the rpiority cos the population in EU is way higer then in the US, so if i were them i would prioritise the populated ones. Also the time deferencies between the 2 continent as large. If i were to ZOS i would send the package to the EU 2 or 3 days before the patching maintances, and then when the HQ say to lunch it and eu will do, and will be up at the exact same time as it should be before the midd day trafic, wich is stratigcly way better then Make EU waiting for a half day for a patch, while when US Wake up they can happly play along like nothing happend, while we have to wait the most. This is not accaptable. we ar all a paying coustumers, in that case to be equalent to US you should set up a primary HQ to EU too, because this is a mess, and always leav behind angry and unsetisfied players comments, and actions.
you must re schedule the EU realm maintances to the night like 3AM to 9AM. so we can have the same treat ment as US have, we sleep well, you do your work, we wake up and tadam, we havent noticed a maintance or a patching nice and we can play as the US too yeey, happy players everywhere, wiouth the annoyenc of your chaothyc patching and maintance scheduleties in the middle of the F-ing day or Hollydays.

Reading this made my brain bleed.

TheValar85

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

Well to be honest EU should be the rpiority cos the population in EU is way higer then in the US, so if i were them i would prioritise the populated ones. Also the time deferencies between the 2 continent as large. If i were to ZOS i would send the package to the EU 2 or 3 days before the patching maintances, and then when the HQ say to lunch it and eu will do, and will be up at the exact same time as it should be before the midd day trafic, wich is stratigcly way better then Make EU waiting for a half day for a patch, while when US Wake up they can happly play along like nothing happend, while we have to wait the most. This is not accaptable. we ar all a paying coustumers, in that case to be equalent to US you should set up a primary HQ to EU too, because this is a mess, and always leav behind angry and unsetisfied players comments, and actions.
you must re schedule the EU realm maintances to the night like 3AM to 9AM. so we can have the same treat ment as US have, we sleep well, you do your work, we wake up and tadam, we havent noticed a maintance or a patching nice and we can play as the US too yeey, happy players everywhere, wiouth the annoyenc of your chaothyc patching and maintance scheduleties in the middle of the F-ing day or Hollydays.

Reading this made my brain bleed.

Sorry my english grammar failures can couse Daedrick after effects

Anne_Firehawk

Karadim wrote: »

Any ETA on this? FYI even if Zenimax is an American(oh my bad AMERICAN, forgot you use caps)

hilarious

malchior

This post is pretty much

"Don't care about your holidays but we still want your money. Pay up!"

Stop saying the ZOS is a US company blah blah excuse. If that is so, just keep the game to yourselves. If you want to release the game worldwide then have some respect for your other paying customers - especially for a server that says EU.


[quote="lagrue;c-4192621

Penetecostal monday - on our side of the world, in North American, its called Whit Monday but nobody except extremely fundamental religious people celebrate it. It's nowhere near in the league of Xmas where its expanded to be a social and commercial holiday - Whit Monday is still 100% religious, that's why we don't observe it. It would be like expecting ZOS not to do maintenance on Good Friday, Ash Wednesday or a million other trivial religious holidays. Should we stop maintenance all through Ramadan as well? Where does it end?

Just my 2 cents, but Zenimax being an AMERICAN company, should observe AMERICAN holidays - not the rest of the world's, or else we'll end up in a circle jerk of never doing anything - because let's face it, it's a holiday somewhere, for somebody, for something - every single day. [/quote]

DDemon

At least no one can last minute steal my spot in the maelstrom weekly now.

lagrue

Niaver wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

What holiday is this?

//shoots guns drink beer #america

Penetecostal monday - on our side of the world, in North American, its called Whit Monday but nobody except extremely fundamental religious people celebrate it. It's nowhere near in the league of Xmas where its expanded to be a social and commercial holiday - Whit Monday is still 100% religious, that's why we don't observe it. It would be like expecting ZOS not to do maintenance on Good Friday, Ash Wednesday or a million other trivial religious holidays. Should we stop maintenance all through Ramadan as well? Where does it end?

Just my 2 cents, but Zenimax being an AMERICAN company, should observe AMERICAN holidays - not the rest of the world's, or else we'll end up in a circle jerk of never doing anything - because let's face it, it's a holiday somewhere, for somebody, for something - every single day.

They don't need a maintance to turn Morrowind on, it's already working right now.

not on consoles it isn't... holy *** people will argue about anything

TheValar85

malchior wrote: »

This post is pretty much

"Don't care about your holidays but we still want your money. Pay up!"

Stop saying the ZOS is a US company blah blah excuse. If that is so, just keep the game to yourselves. If you want to release the game worldwide then have some respect for your other paying customers - especially for a server that says EU.


[quote="lagrue;c-4192621

Penetecostal monday - on our side of the world, in North American, its called Whit Monday but nobody except extremely fundamental religious people celebrate it. It's nowhere near in the league of Xmas where its expanded to be a social and commercial holiday - Whit Monday is still 100% religious, that's why we don't observe it. It would be like expecting ZOS not to do maintenance on Good Friday, Ash Wednesday or a million other trivial religious holidays. Should we stop maintenance all through Ramadan as well? Where does it end?

Just my 2 cents, but Zenimax being an AMERICAN company, should observe AMERICAN holidays - not the rest of the world's, or else we'll end up in a circle jerk of never doing anything - because let's face it, it's a holiday somewhere, for somebody, for something - every single day.

[/quote]

it dosent matter the scheduleties what the have is badly desinged for a game like this. Lokk at wow, you are bearly even have an effect on maintances or pathces. you cant feel a thing, you dont have to wait a day or a half day for a maintance. I know they are 2 different companies, but why is so hard to at least follow the same methods as scheduleties to avoid coustomers inconviniences?

Niaver

lagrue wrote: »

not on consoles it isn't... holy *** people will argue about anything

Right, forgot about consoles.

Voluptificus

The issue is not holidays, for EU, it's the daytime ! 10 AM to..16,17 PM ? Why can't you patch 1 AM to 7 AM ? Like WoW ?

I would greatly appreciate a Z to answer.

johnnified

Before I get one of "those" people in my forum (haven't yet, but you will understand the type I mean)I would like to mention something.

I am not asking for them to start ending them out in chests. I just want them to go back an make sure the % of which they drop from chests is correct and completing the main story raises it (even by a little) as confirmed in the first livestream (I think it was the first maybe second). I was just assuming (I know, bad thing) they would have the same drop rate as Ra Gada, and they currently don't.

malchior

This post is about the PC maintenance not console. The date affected is 5th June on EU side of the world, XBOX maintenance is 17 hours behind it.

Sounds like you argue about anything, even though it does not have anything to do with you as you're a console player.

lagrue wrote: »

Niaver wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

What holiday is this?

//shoots guns drink beer #america

Penetecostal monday - on our side of the world, in North American, its called Whit Monday but nobody except extremely fundamental religious people celebrate it. It's nowhere near in the league of Xmas where its expanded to be a social and commercial holiday - Whit Monday is still 100% religious, that's why we don't observe it. It would be like expecting ZOS not to do maintenance on Good Friday, Ash Wednesday or a million other trivial religious holidays. Should we stop maintenance all through Ramadan as well? Where does it end?

Just my 2 cents, but Zenimax being an AMERICAN company, should observe AMERICAN holidays - not the rest of the world's, or else we'll end up in a circle jerk of never doing anything - because let's face it, it's a holiday somewhere, for somebody, for something - every single day.

They don't need a maintance to turn Morrowind on, it's already working right now.

not on consoles it isn't... holy *** people will argue about anything

lagrue

wesly.backersb16_ESO wrote: »

Of course maintenance will always interfere someone's schedule, but be honest, this is just a bad moment.

In this time of globalisation, you would expect a bit of flexibility in the maintenance planning. Releasing an expansion on a holiday, Whit Monday, is a bit odd and denies the EU playerbase.


(for the record, Whit Monday is a global christian holiday and a fixed holiday in next countries: Antigua and Barbuda, Anguilla, Austria, the Bahamas, Barbados, Belgium, Cyprus, Denmark, Dominica, France, Germany, Greece, Grenada, Hungary, Iceland, Ivory Coast, Luxembourg, Monaco, Montserrat, the Netherlands, Norway, Romania, Saint Lucia, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Solomon Islands, Switzerland, Togo and Ukraine.) ... I don't want to buy a drink for all those ppl playing ESO off the above listed countries

I know they do stop things for 2 major religious holidays as we know it; Easter and Xmas - and let me just say, although globally celebrated - they are largely commercial holidays who have all but lost their religious meaning and most people who celebrate it don't care about Christianity. Pentecostal monday - on the other hand is purely religious - it's doesn't have a huge commercial aspect tied to it, and so nobody is shutting down their company for it except in countries that mandate it.

And you highlighted that in your own post - it's a CHRISTIAN holiday. IT has nothing to do with Europeans, and everything to do with Christians - I talked to some of my European buddies who have this in their country and they said flat out its not something they celebrate - its for religious people. They just get a day off because conveniently the government decides so - but many European nations have also stopped giving it as a day off for one reason... it's purely religious.

I could sit here and make arguments all day - it doesn't matter because:

1. Somebody will always have a counterargument - and they'll always think they're right, as do I - so bickering won't work for any side.

2. ZOS just doesn't care. They planned their release for tomorrow, they're preparing the servers for a massive influx of players. They're a business, not a holiday convention. And regardless of having a European playerbase - their employees are working in the US (more specifically the developers of this game, I do understand they have branches elsewhere), where they observe US holidays. Why would they start throwing more crap into the mix? "Sorry guys, we can't pay you to your job today because there's a holiday halfway across the planet so we're just going to delay our release."

3. Get over it and play something else on your day off.

Sakiri

Oh look, it's still not up.

GG.

lagrue

malchior wrote: »

This post is about the PC maintenance not console. The date affected is 5th June on EU side of the world, XBOX maintenance is 17 hours behind it.

Sounds like you argue about anything, even though it does not have anything to do with you as you're a console player.

lagrue wrote: »

Niaver wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

What holiday is this?

//shoots guns drink beer #america

Penetecostal monday - on our side of the world, in North American, its called Whit Monday but nobody except extremely fundamental religious people celebrate it. It's nowhere near in the league of Xmas where its expanded to be a social and commercial holiday - Whit Monday is still 100% religious, that's why we don't observe it. It would be like expecting ZOS not to do maintenance on Good Friday, Ash Wednesday or a million other trivial religious holidays. Should we stop maintenance all through Ramadan as well? Where does it end?

Just my 2 cents, but Zenimax being an AMERICAN company, should observe AMERICAN holidays - not the rest of the world's, or else we'll end up in a circle jerk of never doing anything - because let's face it, it's a holiday somewhere, for somebody, for something - every single day.

They don't need a maintance to turn Morrowind on, it's already working right now.

not on consoles it isn't... holy *** people will argue about anything

Do you think all PC players are actually on now lmao? Wait until tomorrow there will be a massive influx of players - all servers - PC AND CONSOLES - are being updated to prepare for this... anybody denying that is dense.

I also don't recall OP saying this is about PC maintenance only - maybe go back and read his post your forum edgelord

Epona222

lagrue wrote: »

wesly.backersb16_ESO wrote: »

Of course maintenance will always interfere someone's schedule, but be honest, this is just a bad moment.

In this time of globalisation, you would expect a bit of flexibility in the maintenance planning. Releasing an expansion on a holiday, Whit Monday, is a bit odd and denies the EU playerbase.


(for the record, Whit Monday is a global christian holiday and a fixed holiday in next countries: Antigua and Barbuda, Anguilla, Austria, the Bahamas, Barbados, Belgium, Cyprus, Denmark, Dominica, France, Germany, Greece, Grenada, Hungary, Iceland, Ivory Coast, Luxembourg, Monaco, Montserrat, the Netherlands, Norway, Romania, Saint Lucia, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Solomon Islands, Switzerland, Togo and Ukraine.) ... I don't want to buy a drink for all those ppl playing ESO off the above listed countries

I know they do stop things for 2 major religious holidays as we know it; Easter and Xmas - and let me just say, although globally celebrated - they are largely commercial holidays who have all but lost their religious meaning and most people who celebrate it don't care about Christianity. Pentecostal monday - on the other hand is purely religious - it's doesn't have a huge commercial aspect tied to it, and so nobody is shutting down their company for it except in countries that mandate it.

And you highlighted that in your own post - it's a CHRISTIAN holiday. IT has nothing to do with Europeans, and everything to do with Christians - I talked to some of my European buddies who have this in their country and they said flat out its not something they celebrate - its for religious people. They just get a day off because conveniently the government decides so - but many European nations have also stopped giving it as a day off for one reason... it's purely religious.

I could sit here and make arguments all day - it doesn't matter because:

1. Somebody will always have a counterargument - and they'll always think they're right, as do I - so bickering won't work for any side.

2. ZOS just doesn't care. They planned their release for tomorrow, they're preparing the servers for a massive influx of players. They're a business, not a holiday convention. And regardless of having a European playerbase - their employees are working in the US, where they observe US holidays. Why would they start throwing more crap into the mix?

3. Get over it and play something else on your day off.

LOL no, actually a lot of Europeans are agnostic or atheist, if they weren't they would be spending the day praying not being at home wanting to play games on a precious paid day off from work. The point is that it is a public holiday - ie. a long weekend, like you have in the US for important holidays for you, like 4th July and stuff, and the game should not be down on the public holiday of a long weekend that affects a lot of the customers, and during the day/evening at that.

drakhan2002_ESO

Oh rage in this thread! (I'll bet it feels good to just vent) - we've all been there. Keep it coming EU players...let it out!

Skjoldur

Faulgor wrote: »

It really wouldn't be much of an issue if ZOS' maintenance didn't always take the whole day ...

*** backend => lot of work

lagrue

Epona222 wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

wesly.backersb16_ESO wrote: »

Of course maintenance will always interfere someone's schedule, but be honest, this is just a bad moment.

In this time of globalisation, you would expect a bit of flexibility in the maintenance planning. Releasing an expansion on a holiday, Whit Monday, is a bit odd and denies the EU playerbase.


(for the record, Whit Monday is a global christian holiday and a fixed holiday in next countries: Antigua and Barbuda, Anguilla, Austria, the Bahamas, Barbados, Belgium, Cyprus, Denmark, Dominica, France, Germany, Greece, Grenada, Hungary, Iceland, Ivory Coast, Luxembourg, Monaco, Montserrat, the Netherlands, Norway, Romania, Saint Lucia, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Solomon Islands, Switzerland, Togo and Ukraine.) ... I don't want to buy a drink for all those ppl playing ESO off the above listed countries

I know they do stop things for 2 major religious holidays as we know it; Easter and Xmas - and let me just say, although globally celebrated - they are largely commercial holidays who have all but lost their religious meaning and most people who celebrate it don't care about Christianity. Pentecostal monday - on the other hand is purely religious - it's doesn't have a huge commercial aspect tied to it, and so nobody is shutting down their company for it except in countries that mandate it.

And you highlighted that in your own post - it's a CHRISTIAN holiday. IT has nothing to do with Europeans, and everything to do with Christians - I talked to some of my European buddies who have this in their country and they said flat out its not something they celebrate - its for religious people. They just get a day off because conveniently the government decides so - but many European nations have also stopped giving it as a day off for one reason... it's purely religious.

I could sit here and make arguments all day - it doesn't matter because:

1. Somebody will always have a counterargument - and they'll always think they're right, as do I - so bickering won't work for any side.

2. ZOS just doesn't care. They planned their release for tomorrow, they're preparing the servers for a massive influx of players. They're a business, not a holiday convention. And regardless of having a European playerbase - their employees are working in the US, where they observe US holidays. Why would they start throwing more crap into the mix?

3. Get over it and play something else on your day off.

LOL no, actually a lot of Europeans are agnostic or atheist, if they weren't they would be spending the day praying not being at home wanting to play games on a precious paid day off from work. The point is that it is a public holiday - ie. a long weekend, like you have in the US for important holidays for you, like 4th July and stuff, and the game should not be down on the public holiday of a long weekend that affects a lot of the customers, and during the day/evening at that.

Every *** country on Earth has its own public holidays. How hard is it to grasp that the developers are working in the US, and therefore they observe US Public holidays?

If not, how do you determine which countries public holidays should fit in the mix? Because it's pretty well all-or-none elsewise there will be complaints from somebody. If they start making exceptions for Europe... middle east will want it... asia will want it... oceania will want it.... They aren't planning their maintenance to upset you. Quit taking it so personally.

SilverWF

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

I mean i understand that ZOS doesnt seem to care much about european players...but doing maintenace that will probably last the whole day on a major european holiday (and i think us too?) is a new low even for zos standards...it seems only us specific holidays matter....

We didn't have holiday today here in Russia, so I don't care.

Probably, every day is a holiday somewhere...

lagrue

-snip-

This is why we left Europe in the first place, I'm out. Enjoy waiting because your crying isn't going to stop it