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DPS Testing - How Should Testers Test?
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Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Shad0wfire99 wrote: »jphipps85b14_ESO1 wrote: »Solo dps test is just solo, let them do their parse on the skelly and you just watch, let them apply breach and whatever they want. No pierce armour/shards/orbs or worm.
Once their dps is solid on a solo parse you can bet their dps in a raid will go up.
Stam ideally would be 30k+ and Magicka 35k+ Numbers can go down for certain trials, mainly hel ra.
Those numbers are for players who have strong gear setups mind you, also welcome to the forums.
Asking for players to parse 35k for a vet trial test is too high. 25k seems to be the baseline.
25k is fine if you have no interest in trying to get weekly rewards from the trial. 20k might be ok, actually. But if you want a real score, or want to do hard modes, 35k is the baseline. Any lower than that and you're just making it harder on yourself.
Sure, would like to see some (non-magsorc) dps tests that pull 35k+ in target skelly now in Morrowind. Depends on the build ofc but to demand 35k on target skelleton without any external buffs (besides the usual ones: worm, orbs, shards, pierce, dran etc) is way to high imo.Edited by Qbiken on May 30, 2017 8:04AM0 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »X_LadyPhoenix_X wrote: »Hello, everyone! I'm fairly new to the forums (this is my first post XD), but have been playing the game practically since console launch. I'm a GM of an active social guild on PS4 NA, and we've been really trying to get the members into doing Vet Trials. One of the things we are trying to do is DPS testing. I'm unsure of how the testing should go on the testers end. I've heard of several ways, but wonder of the why for some of these testing options. It seems that magicka characters will get more of a benefit from their testing setups... Worm gives them reduce cost to magicka, Moondancer gives them either spell power or magicka recovery, elemental drain breaches as well as gives magicka back with magic steal. Where as with stamina characters all they get is breach from pierce armor and some stamina recovery from shards, which also does some damage over time. From the way I look at it, pierce armor and shards can do the same thing for stamina and magicka characters... Why have different testing setups for magicka characters? Maybe I'm missing something... Any feedback will be greatly appreciated!
Dps tests the way they are set are stupid ... sure know your rotation but having to action cancel to be taken into the vet trials should not be a thing.. i was pulling on an all purp mag sorc 16k at 3,20 sec for a wile till i gold my weapons and and necky. now not even trying to action cancel with the gold weapons im making 18 to 20k at 2,30 sec no ulti and no weakness to eli. things should be different thats for sure, im sure once i learn to make my rotation better things will get better.
but when you know the fights and the mechanics you should be taken in to vet. people should be taking groups in to learn *** and not relying on oh can you do 30k dps on a still skely
NEVER animation cancel for dps test or trial. Period.Tan9oSuccka wrote: »X_LadyPhoenix_X wrote: »Solo dps test is just solo, let them do their parse on the skelly and you just watch, let them apply breach and whatever they want. No pierce armour/shards/orbs or worm.
Once their dps is solid on a solo parse you can bet their dps in a raid will go up.
Stam ideally would be 30k+ and Magicka 35k+ Numbers can go down for certain trials, mainly hel ra.
Those numbers are for players who have strong gear setups mind you, also welcome to the forums.
Thank you for the Welcome! It's hard to get 30k on a stam character.
I know from personal experience. I haven't tested since I got my last piece of twice fang, but I've been only getting like 23k while receiving the pierce armor buff. 
I want to know this too. I average around 18K on a Stam NB. I know Nord isn't the best choice but can't seem to crack much higher.
What classes? I'm doing 38.3k solo on my stamina templar, and my best parse atm is 44k with major fracture. 51k from 50%
Edit: i have magsorc, stamdk, stamblade, stamsorc, stamplar, and magdk. But the only 2 I can give build rotation advice on is splar/magdk as my others are mules.
38k solo as a stamplar??? Videos or it didn´t happen....0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The most important thing is to be consistent. The "right" way to test is the way that most people use, because that produces results that you can more easily compare. Much of it is arbitrary.
That said, there is a general rule of thumb: Leave out buffs that won't change someone's rotation. We don't provide SPC or Combat Prayer or War Horn because you wouldn't do anything different whether you had them or not, and it adds an extra variable that makes comparing results more difficult (e.g., avoiding situations where Alice's parse was worse because Bob had better War Horn uptime in his test).
In contrast, buffs to sustain are provided externally. If the tester runs out of resources and has to switch to heavy attacking more often than usual, that affects their rotation. If you have someone run their own Ele, it adds an extra skill to the mix and takes away a bar spot. If your goal is to test someone's competence at their rotation, having them run their own ele makes zero sense. (And then you might as well add pierce so that stamina parses are comparable to magicka parses with ele.)
In general, on PC/NA, DPS tests are predominantly done with externally-provided worm, ele, and orbs (with pierce/shards for stamina to maintain parity with magicka) and no other external buffs. Players are usually asked to run Fire blockade instead of Shock blockade for the sake of results that are more useful for comparison. We will sometimes ask petsorcs to provide a petless parse alongside their pet parse.
Pretty much. Just one thing to add/ask. Would rapid regeneration casted by a vMA resto staff user help too? Of course, not wearing SPC or any buff sets.
The magicka return from the staff applies only to the caster, not to the person who gets the heal. Which is why nobody recommends vMA restos for group content (Master Restos are better), but they're nice as a source of extra sustain and heal for solo players.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
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- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
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✭✭✭✭✭Shad0wfire99 wrote: »jphipps85b14_ESO1 wrote: »Solo dps test is just solo, let them do their parse on the skelly and you just watch, let them apply breach and whatever they want. No pierce armour/shards/orbs or worm.
Once their dps is solid on a solo parse you can bet their dps in a raid will go up.
Stam ideally would be 30k+ and Magicka 35k+ Numbers can go down for certain trials, mainly hel ra.
Those numbers are for players who have strong gear setups mind you, also welcome to the forums.
Asking for players to parse 35k for a vet trial test is too high. 25k seems to be the baseline.
25k is fine if you have no interest in trying to get weekly rewards from the trial. 20k might be ok, actually. But if you want a real score, or want to do hard modes, 35k is the baseline. Any lower than that and you're just making it harder on yourself.
Sure, would like to see some (non-magsorc) dps tests that pull 35k+ in target skelly now in Morrowind. Depends on the build ofc but to demand 35k on target skelleton without any external buffs (besides the usual ones: worm, orbs, shards, pierce, dran etc) is way to high imo.
Magblade is very strong this patch because of the Merciless change and because we have relatively easier sustain due to the cost of Strife. Here is a 41K video by @gethemshauna:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMuQHTRi4Yc
Here is @hedna123b14_ESO (Nos) doing 40K on a stamsorc:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWNuNcPfnNM
And Nos also has a 41K stamplar parse:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/266373265457545218/316780358597214208/Screenshot_20170523_233000.png
And, yes, all of this is Morrowind.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
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- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
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Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Shad0wfire99 wrote: »jphipps85b14_ESO1 wrote: »Solo dps test is just solo, let them do their parse on the skelly and you just watch, let them apply breach and whatever they want. No pierce armour/shards/orbs or worm.
Once their dps is solid on a solo parse you can bet their dps in a raid will go up.
Stam ideally would be 30k+ and Magicka 35k+ Numbers can go down for certain trials, mainly hel ra.
Those numbers are for players who have strong gear setups mind you, also welcome to the forums.
Asking for players to parse 35k for a vet trial test is too high. 25k seems to be the baseline.
25k is fine if you have no interest in trying to get weekly rewards from the trial. 20k might be ok, actually. But if you want a real score, or want to do hard modes, 35k is the baseline. Any lower than that and you're just making it harder on yourself.
Sure, would like to see some (non-magsorc) dps tests that pull 35k+ in target skelly now in Morrowind. Depends on the build ofc but to demand 35k on target skelleton without any external buffs (besides the usual ones: worm, orbs, shards, pierce, dran etc) is way to high imo.
Magblade is very strong this patch because of the Merciless change and because we have relatively easier sustain due to the cost of Strife. Here is a 41K video by @gethemshauna:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMuQHTRi4Yc
Here is @hedna123b14_ESO (Nos) doing 40K on a stamsorc:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWNuNcPfnNM
And Nos also has a 41K stamplar parse:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/266373265457545218/316780358597214208/Screenshot_20170523_233000.png
And, yes, all of this is Morrowind. 0 -
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✭Shad0wfire99 wrote: »jphipps85b14_ESO1 wrote: »Solo dps test is just solo, let them do their parse on the skelly and you just watch, let them apply breach and whatever they want. No pierce armour/shards/orbs or worm.
Once their dps is solid on a solo parse you can bet their dps in a raid will go up.
Stam ideally would be 30k+ and Magicka 35k+ Numbers can go down for certain trials, mainly hel ra.
Those numbers are for players who have strong gear setups mind you, also welcome to the forums.
Asking for players to parse 35k for a vet trial test is too high. 25k seems to be the baseline.
25k is fine if you have no interest in trying to get weekly rewards from the trial. 20k might be ok, actually. But if you want a real score, or want to do hard modes, 35k is the baseline. Any lower than that and you're just making it harder on yourself.
Sure, would like to see some (non-magsorc) dps tests that pull 35k+ in target skelly now in Morrowind. Depends on the build ofc but to demand 35k on target skelleton without any external buffs (besides the usual ones: worm, orbs, shards, pierce, dran etc) is way to high imo.
Magblade is very strong this patch because of the Merciless change and because we have relatively easier sustain due to the cost of Strife. Here is a 41K video by @gethemshauna:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMuQHTRi4Yc
Here is @hedna123b14_ESO (Nos) doing 40K on a stamsorc:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWNuNcPfnNM
And Nos also has a 41K stamplar parse:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/266373265457545218/316780358597214208/Screenshot_20170523_233000.png
And, yes, all of this is Morrowind.Shad0wfire99 wrote: »jphipps85b14_ESO1 wrote: »Solo dps test is just solo, let them do their parse on the skelly and you just watch, let them apply breach and whatever they want. No pierce armour/shards/orbs or worm.
Once their dps is solid on a solo parse you can bet their dps in a raid will go up.
Stam ideally would be 30k+ and Magicka 35k+ Numbers can go down for certain trials, mainly hel ra.
Those numbers are for players who have strong gear setups mind you, also welcome to the forums.
Asking for players to parse 35k for a vet trial test is too high. 25k seems to be the baseline.
25k is fine if you have no interest in trying to get weekly rewards from the trial. 20k might be ok, actually. But if you want a real score, or want to do hard modes, 35k is the baseline. Any lower than that and you're just making it harder on yourself.
Sure, would like to see some (non-magsorc) dps tests that pull 35k+ in target skelly now in Morrowind. Depends on the build ofc but to demand 35k on target skelleton without any external buffs (besides the usual ones: worm, orbs, shards, pierce, dran etc) is way to high imo.
Magblade is very strong this patch because of the Merciless change and because we have relatively easier sustain due to the cost of Strife. Here is a 41K video by @gethemshauna:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMuQHTRi4Yc
Here is @hedna123b14_ESO (Nos) doing 40K on a stamsorc:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWNuNcPfnNM
And Nos also has a 41K stamplar parse:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/266373265457545218/316780358597214208/Screenshot_20170523_233000.png
And, yes, all of this is Morrowind.
I actually changed my stamplar rotation a bit, I am now vonsistantly pulling 37k+ unbuffed on the skele with it. As in no puncture/or anything...just me...its definitely possible to do great dps this patch, especially on stam.
On sorc I also polushed some things and now can get around 36.5 unbuffed, but in that parse that you see I dont use an axe. If I has an axe the dps would be amazing.Edited by hedna123b14_ESO on May 30, 2017 2:44PM0 -
FlyLionel✭✭✭✭jphipps85b14_ESO1 wrote: »Solo dps test is just solo, let them do their parse on the skelly and you just watch, let them apply breach and whatever they want. No pierce armour/shards/orbs or worm.
Once their dps is solid on a solo parse you can bet their dps in a raid will go up.
Stam ideally would be 30k+ and Magicka 35k+ Numbers can go down for certain trials, mainly hel ra.
Those numbers are for players who have strong gear setups mind you, also welcome to the forums.
Asking for players to parse 35k for a vet trial test is too high. 25k seems to be the baseline.
@jphipps85b14_ESO1 I said for players who have strong gear setups(VMA sharpened/Infall/VO/TFS/NMG/BSW/Necro/Moondancer setups), otherwise yeah you can go in with DPS like that..but to what @Shad0wfire99 said.The Flyers0 -
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✭Shad0wfire99 wrote: »jphipps85b14_ESO1 wrote: »Solo dps test is just solo, let them do their parse on the skelly and you just watch, let them apply breach and whatever they want. No pierce armour/shards/orbs or worm.
Once their dps is solid on a solo parse you can bet their dps in a raid will go up.
Stam ideally would be 30k+ and Magicka 35k+ Numbers can go down for certain trials, mainly hel ra.
Those numbers are for players who have strong gear setups mind you, also welcome to the forums.
Asking for players to parse 35k for a vet trial test is too high. 25k seems to be the baseline.
25k is fine if you have no interest in trying to get weekly rewards from the trial. 20k might be ok, actually. But if you want a real score, or want to do hard modes, 35k is the baseline. Any lower than that and you're just making it harder on yourself.
Sure, would like to see some (non-magsorc) dps tests that pull 35k+ in target skelly now in Morrowind. Depends on the build ofc but to demand 35k on target skelleton without any external buffs (besides the usual ones: worm, orbs, shards, pierce, dran etc) is way to high imo.
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✭✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »X_LadyPhoenix_X wrote: »Hello, everyone! I'm fairly new to the forums (this is my first post XD), but have been playing the game practically since console launch. I'm a GM of an active social guild on PS4 NA, and we've been really trying to get the members into doing Vet Trials. One of the things we are trying to do is DPS testing. I'm unsure of how the testing should go on the testers end. I've heard of several ways, but wonder of the why for some of these testing options. It seems that magicka characters will get more of a benefit from their testing setups... Worm gives them reduce cost to magicka, Moondancer gives them either spell power or magicka recovery, elemental drain breaches as well as gives magicka back with magic steal. Where as with stamina characters all they get is breach from pierce armor and some stamina recovery from shards, which also does some damage over time. From the way I look at it, pierce armor and shards can do the same thing for stamina and magicka characters... Why have different testing setups for magicka characters? Maybe I'm missing something... Any feedback will be greatly appreciated!
Here is how my guild does it, if you're looking for examples.i'm ps4 na jf you're looking for an endgame gyild.
Stam:
Less than 130 seconds for vet trials
Less than 95 seconds for vet maw
Less than 90 seconds for vet hardmode trials
major fracture is applied.
Magica
Less than 130 seconds for vet trials
Less than 95 seconds for vet maw
Less than 100 seconds for vet hardmode trials
You have harness magica provided
You do not get worm/orbs
You may not use lightning wall, you must use fire wall only
Ii'm ps4 na if you are looking for a solid endgame guild/
But here comes the problem - the new duo Lightning staff Magsorc with Netchs touch.
You can't ask him to not use elemental blockade.
Secondly, with the sustain changes MagDKs will switch to Flame Lash morph to save tons of magicka. So they will proc off balance on skelly themselves (with rearming trap).Edited by Olupajmibanan on May 30, 2017 3:33PM0 -
theamazingx✭✭✭✭Shad0wfire99 wrote: »jphipps85b14_ESO1 wrote: »Solo dps test is just solo, let them do their parse on the skelly and you just watch, let them apply breach and whatever they want. No pierce armour/shards/orbs or worm.
Once their dps is solid on a solo parse you can bet their dps in a raid will go up.
Stam ideally would be 30k+ and Magicka 35k+ Numbers can go down for certain trials, mainly hel ra.
Those numbers are for players who have strong gear setups mind you, also welcome to the forums.
Asking for players to parse 35k for a vet trial test is too high. 25k seems to be the baseline.
25k is fine if you have no interest in trying to get weekly rewards from the trial. 20k might be ok, actually. But if you want a real score, or want to do hard modes, 35k is the baseline. Any lower than that and you're just making it harder on yourself.
Sure, would like to see some (non-magsorc) dps tests that pull 35k+ in target skelly now in Morrowind. Depends on the build ofc but to demand 35k on target skelleton without any external buffs (besides the usual ones: worm, orbs, shards, pierce, dran etc) is way to high imo.
37.5k on a magdk selfbuffed, and surely a better one could get higher, not to mention one with a moondancer staff instead of a trash staff frontbar. And with flame lash I don't even need witchmothers in a trial, so the same build will get slightly higher magicka and 19k *base* health in practice.
That said, dk parses are sort of up in the air until a final decision on flame lash is made based on 1. How many people still run exploiter with the diminishing thaum returns 2. If healers will still run lightning wall with the new pressures of nerfs and sustain 3. If sorcs start using lightning wall. Regardless, 35k is by no means a unicorn to catch with Morrowind.
Also, I've now seen several stam builds parse even higher solo, and with more reliable sustain - lack of shields is all that keeps them from heavy use in vet trials.0 -
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✭✭✭X_LadyPhoenix_X wrote: »Solo dps test is just solo, let them do their parse on the skelly and you just watch, let them apply breach and whatever they want. No pierce armour/shards/orbs or worm.
Once their dps is solid on a solo parse you can bet their dps in a raid will go up.
Stam ideally would be 30k+ and Magicka 35k+ Numbers can go down for certain trials, mainly hel ra.
Those numbers are for players who have strong gear setups mind you, also welcome to the forums.
Thank you for the Welcome! It's hard to get 30k on a stam character. I know from personal experience. I haven't tested since I got my last piece of twice fang, but I've been only getting like 23k while receiving the pierce armor buff.
I hit 41-43k on my stamina nightblade with a tank giving Major Fracture. All stam classes should be capable of 40k+.
There's not much point in testing stam DPS, though, because no one actually wants to run stam DPS in Trials.0 -
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✭LiquidPony wrote: »X_LadyPhoenix_X wrote: »Solo dps test is just solo, let them do their parse on the skelly and you just watch, let them apply breach and whatever they want. No pierce armour/shards/orbs or worm.
Once their dps is solid on a solo parse you can bet their dps in a raid will go up.
Stam ideally would be 30k+ and Magicka 35k+ Numbers can go down for certain trials, mainly hel ra.
Those numbers are for players who have strong gear setups mind you, also welcome to the forums.
Thank you for the Welcome! It's hard to get 30k on a stam character. I know from personal experience. I haven't tested since I got my last piece of twice fang, but I've been only getting like 23k while receiving the pierce armor buff.
I hit 41-43k on my stamina nightblade with a tank giving Major Fracture. All stam classes should be capable of 40k+.
There's not much point in testing stam DPS, though, because no one actually wants to run stam DPS in Trials.
Actually in this patch between the 12k shields from tanks, caltrops stacking, blade cloak buff and the reduction of lightning staff splash damage Stam is perfectly safe in trials...the much higher single target also makes it quite desirable.0 -
FlyLionel✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »X_LadyPhoenix_X wrote: »Solo dps test is just solo, let them do their parse on the skelly and you just watch, let them apply breach and whatever they want. No pierce armour/shards/orbs or worm.
Once their dps is solid on a solo parse you can bet their dps in a raid will go up.
Stam ideally would be 30k+ and Magicka 35k+ Numbers can go down for certain trials, mainly hel ra.
Those numbers are for players who have strong gear setups mind you, also welcome to the forums.
Thank you for the Welcome! It's hard to get 30k on a stam character. I know from personal experience. I haven't tested since I got my last piece of twice fang, but I've been only getting like 23k while receiving the pierce armor buff.
I hit 41-43k on my stamina nightblade with a tank giving Major Fracture. All stam classes should be capable of 40k+.
There's not much point in testing stam DPS, though, because no one actually wants to run stam DPS in Trials.
Actually in this patch between the 12k shields from tanks, caltrops stacking, blade cloak buff and the reduction of lightning staff splash damage Stam is perfectly safe in trials...the much higher single target also makes it quite desirable.
My wood elf stam nb dps is viable come next week? War maiden(Edit: MACHINE*) or TFS? Edited by FlyLionel on May 30, 2017 4:15PMThe Flyers0 -
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✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »X_LadyPhoenix_X wrote: »Solo dps test is just solo, let them do their parse on the skelly and you just watch, let them apply breach and whatever they want. No pierce armour/shards/orbs or worm.
Once their dps is solid on a solo parse you can bet their dps in a raid will go up.
Stam ideally would be 30k+ and Magicka 35k+ Numbers can go down for certain trials, mainly hel ra.
Those numbers are for players who have strong gear setups mind you, also welcome to the forums.
Thank you for the Welcome! It's hard to get 30k on a stam character. I know from personal experience. I haven't tested since I got my last piece of twice fang, but I've been only getting like 23k while receiving the pierce armor buff.
I hit 41-43k on my stamina nightblade with a tank giving Major Fracture. All stam classes should be capable of 40k+.
There's not much point in testing stam DPS, though, because no one actually wants to run stam DPS in Trials.
Actually in this patch between the 12k shields from tanks, caltrops stacking, blade cloak buff and the reduction of lightning staff splash damage Stam is perfectly safe in trials...the much higher single target also makes it quite desirable.
I hope you're right but I'll believe it when I see groups running multiple stam DPS on top of the leaderboards.
I'm of the opinion that my main (stamblade) ought to be pretty darn good, using Surprise Attack I'll have Shadow Ward up nearly 100% of the time, and between that and Deadly Cloak and big Igneous Shields I should be fairly survivable. But, if the Hodors of the world aren't running stam DPS on their leaderboard runs, most Trials guilds will avoid stam DPS as well.0 -
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✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »X_LadyPhoenix_X wrote: »Solo dps test is just solo, let them do their parse on the skelly and you just watch, let them apply breach and whatever they want. No pierce armour/shards/orbs or worm.
Once their dps is solid on a solo parse you can bet their dps in a raid will go up.
Stam ideally would be 30k+ and Magicka 35k+ Numbers can go down for certain trials, mainly hel ra.
Those numbers are for players who have strong gear setups mind you, also welcome to the forums.
Thank you for the Welcome! It's hard to get 30k on a stam character. I know from personal experience. I haven't tested since I got my last piece of twice fang, but I've been only getting like 23k while receiving the pierce armor buff.
I hit 41-43k on my stamina nightblade with a tank giving Major Fracture. All stam classes should be capable of 40k+.
There's not much point in testing stam DPS, though, because no one actually wants to run stam DPS in Trials.
Actually in this patch between the 12k shields from tanks, caltrops stacking, blade cloak buff and the reduction of lightning staff splash damage Stam is perfectly safe in trials...the much higher single target also makes it quite desirable.
My wood elf stam nb dps is viable come next week? War maiden(Edit: MACHINE*) or TFS?
Idk about woodelf, but a redguard for sure:)LiquidPony wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »X_LadyPhoenix_X wrote: »Solo dps test is just solo, let them do their parse on the skelly and you just watch, let them apply breach and whatever they want. No pierce armour/shards/orbs or worm.
Once their dps is solid on a solo parse you can bet their dps in a raid will go up.
Stam ideally would be 30k+ and Magicka 35k+ Numbers can go down for certain trials, mainly hel ra.
Those numbers are for players who have strong gear setups mind you, also welcome to the forums.
Thank you for the Welcome! It's hard to get 30k on a stam character. I know from personal experience. I haven't tested since I got my last piece of twice fang, but I've been only getting like 23k while receiving the pierce armor buff.
I hit 41-43k on my stamina nightblade with a tank giving Major Fracture. All stam classes should be capable of 40k+.
There's not much point in testing stam DPS, though, because no one actually wants to run stam DPS in Trials.
Actually in this patch between the 12k shields from tanks, caltrops stacking, blade cloak buff and the reduction of lightning staff splash damage Stam is perfectly safe in trials...the much higher single target also makes it quite desirable.
I hope you're right but I'll believe it when I see groups running multiple stam DPS on top of the leaderboards.
I'm of the opinion that my main (stamblade) ought to be pretty darn good, using Surprise Attack I'll have Shadow Ward up nearly 100% of the time, and between that and Deadly Cloak and big Igneous Shields I should be fairly survivable. But, if the Hodors of the world aren't running stam DPS on their leaderboard runs, most Trials guilds will avoid stam DPS as well.
I would give it time before the trial compositions have balanced out.0 -
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✭jphipps85b14_ESO1 wrote: »Solo dps test is just solo, let them do their parse on the skelly and you just watch, let them apply breach and whatever they want. No pierce armour/shards/orbs or worm.
Once their dps is solid on a solo parse you can bet their dps in a raid will go up.
Stam ideally would be 30k+ and Magicka 35k+ Numbers can go down for certain trials, mainly hel ra.
Those numbers are for players who have strong gear setups mind you, also welcome to the forums.
Asking for players to parse 35k for a vet trial test is too high. 25k seems to be the baseline.
@jphipps85b14_ESO1 I said for players who have strong gear setups(VMA sharpened/Infall/VO/TFS/NMG/BSW/Necro/Moondancer setups), otherwise yeah you can go in with DPS like that..but to what @Shad0wfire99 said.
Not needed, i hit 29k on my gf's stam dps with the following:
2 kragh
2 leki
3 agil
5 sprig
Maelstroms bow
Flurry/poison inject/rearming trap/endless hail/biting jabs. She didn't have potl or vma dw, and that was before overhualing my rotation but 31-32k shouls easilly be possible. With potl/selenes and 2x leki maces you should be hitting 35k ish on stam templar, no tfs/vma dw/VO.
It's all player skill amd knowledge of class. Hell even changing the order in which you use 2 skills can +/- dps by more than 10%.
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X_LadyPhoenix_X✭✭✭LiquidPony wrote: »X_LadyPhoenix_X wrote: »Solo dps test is just solo, let them do their parse on the skelly and you just watch, let them apply breach and whatever they want. No pierce armour/shards/orbs or worm.
Once their dps is solid on a solo parse you can bet their dps in a raid will go up.
Stam ideally would be 30k+ and Magicka 35k+ Numbers can go down for certain trials, mainly hel ra.
Those numbers are for players who have strong gear setups mind you, also welcome to the forums.
Thank you for the Welcome! It's hard to get 30k on a stam character. I know from personal experience. I haven't tested since I got my last piece of twice fang, but I've been only getting like 23k while receiving the pierce armor buff.
I hit 41-43k on my stamina nightblade with a tank giving Major Fracture. All stam classes should be capable of 40k+.
There's not much point in testing stam DPS, though, because no one actually wants to run stam DPS in Trials.
My main is a stam DK, I haven't hit 25k on her yet (I'm sure I'll get this soon), don't see how I'll get 40k. Not for the want of trying. She's the one I'd like to get all achievements on at some point, so yes I would like to run my stam dps characters in trials, and I know plenty of people who do. It just seems that stam dps gets the shaft when running the vet endgame content. It is what it is, and until the day comes when I can run her the way I want and be good at it, I'll still work on her and all my other characters and adapt to the changes as they come.Mistress of Shadows (GM) <ShadowKnight Syndicate>
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X_LadyPhoenix_X✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »X_LadyPhoenix_X wrote: »Solo dps test is just solo, let them do their parse on the skelly and you just watch, let them apply breach and whatever they want. No pierce armour/shards/orbs or worm.
Once their dps is solid on a solo parse you can bet their dps in a raid will go up.
Stam ideally would be 30k+ and Magicka 35k+ Numbers can go down for certain trials, mainly hel ra.
Those numbers are for players who have strong gear setups mind you, also welcome to the forums.
Thank you for the Welcome! It's hard to get 30k on a stam character. I know from personal experience. I haven't tested since I got my last piece of twice fang, but I've been only getting like 23k while receiving the pierce armor buff.
I hit 41-43k on my stamina nightblade with a tank giving Major Fracture. All stam classes should be capable of 40k+.
There's not much point in testing stam DPS, though, because no one actually wants to run stam DPS in Trials.
Actually in this patch between the 12k shields from tanks, caltrops stacking, blade cloak buff and the reduction of lightning staff splash damage Stam is perfectly safe in trials...the much higher single target also makes it quite desirable.
I hope so!!
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an active,adult only, social guild that dabbles in everything on PS4 NA, Est. Oct. 2015
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| Lady Phœnix ~ Nord DK | Yelena Elethea ~ High Elf Templar | Stalks-among-Shadows ~ Argonian NB | Inyoni Yezulu ~ Redgaurd Sorc |
| Chändra Nälaar ~ Dark Elf DK | Elora de Danan ~ Breton Sorc | Velia Vixen ~ Wood Elf Warden | Serephina Valyrin ~ Imperial DK |
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X_LadyPhoenix_X✭✭✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »jphipps85b14_ESO1 wrote: »Solo dps test is just solo, let them do their parse on the skelly and you just watch, let them apply breach and whatever they want. No pierce armour/shards/orbs or worm.
Once their dps is solid on a solo parse you can bet their dps in a raid will go up.
Stam ideally would be 30k+ and Magicka 35k+ Numbers can go down for certain trials, mainly hel ra.
Those numbers are for players who have strong gear setups mind you, also welcome to the forums.
Asking for players to parse 35k for a vet trial test is too high. 25k seems to be the baseline.
@jphipps85b14_ESO1 I said for players who have strong gear setups(VMA sharpened/Infall/VO/TFS/NMG/BSW/Necro/Moondancer setups), otherwise yeah you can go in with DPS like that..but to what @Shad0wfire99 said.
Not needed, i hit 29k on my gf's stam dps with the following:
2 kragh
2 leki
3 agil
5 sprig
Maelstroms bow
Flurry/poison inject/rearming trap/endless hail/biting jabs. She didn't have potl or vma dw, and that was before overhualing my rotation but 31-32k shouls easilly be possible. With potl/selenes and 2x leki maces you should be hitting 35k ish on stam templar, no tfs/vma dw/VO.
It's all player skill amd knowledge of class. Hell even changing the order in which you use 2 skills can +/- dps by more than 10%.
I know I need some work on my rotation, for some reason I can't get the knack of light weaving (it never seems to proc), but can heavy weave. I'm waiting to test the light and heavy attack changes with Morrowind.Mistress of Shadows (GM) <ShadowKnight Syndicate>
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| Chändra Nälaar ~ Dark Elf DK | Elora de Danan ~ Breton Sorc | Velia Vixen ~ Wood Elf Warden | Serephina Valyrin ~ Imperial DK |
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FlyLionel✭✭✭✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »jphipps85b14_ESO1 wrote: »Solo dps test is just solo, let them do their parse on the skelly and you just watch, let them apply breach and whatever they want. No pierce armour/shards/orbs or worm.
Once their dps is solid on a solo parse you can bet their dps in a raid will go up.
Stam ideally would be 30k+ and Magicka 35k+ Numbers can go down for certain trials, mainly hel ra.
Those numbers are for players who have strong gear setups mind you, also welcome to the forums.
Asking for players to parse 35k for a vet trial test is too high. 25k seems to be the baseline.
@jphipps85b14_ESO1 I said for players who have strong gear setups(VMA sharpened/Infall/VO/TFS/NMG/BSW/Necro/Moondancer setups), otherwise yeah you can go in with DPS like that..but to what @Shad0wfire99 said.
Not needed, i hit 29k on my gf's stam dps with the following:
2 kragh
2 leki
3 agil
5 sprig
Maelstroms bow
Flurry/poison inject/rearming trap/endless hail/biting jabs. She didn't have potl or vma dw, and that was before overhualing my rotation but 31-32k shouls easilly be possible. With potl/selenes and 2x leki maces you should be hitting 35k ish on stam templar, no tfs/vma dw/VO.
It's all player skill amd knowledge of class. Hell even changing the order in which you use 2 skills can +/- dps by more than 10%.
Uh..no one saying its needed, or that its all player and knowledge. Im just saying players with bis gear will get better results in the end.. The Flyers0 -
X_LadyPhoenix_X✭✭✭Ok, so kinda back to the question of how to test. How often should buff/debuffs be applied, such as pierce armor?
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an active,adult only, social guild that dabbles in everything on PS4 NA, Est. Oct. 2015
For the Pact!
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Master Thief
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| Lady Phœnix ~ Nord DK | Yelena Elethea ~ High Elf Templar | Stalks-among-Shadows ~ Argonian NB | Inyoni Yezulu ~ Redgaurd Sorc |
| Chändra Nälaar ~ Dark Elf DK | Elora de Danan ~ Breton Sorc | Velia Vixen ~ Wood Elf Warden | Serephina Valyrin ~ Imperial DK |
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Insandros✭✭✭✭I'm getting confused here after reading a few posts, one question, why not use wall lightning?0 -
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✭X_LadyPhoenix_X wrote: »Ok, so kinda back to the question of how to test. How often should buff/debuffs be applied, such as pierce armor?
100% of the time. There's really no situation in a trial where one or both of those wouldn't be up on a boss, so to better re-create a trial scenario, just keep them up for the whole parse.
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✭I'm getting confused here after reading a few posts, one question, why not use wall lightning?
Lightning Wall is considered kind of "cheesy" in a test because of the exploiter passive. Plus, most healers run it in a trial as more of a buff, so dps in the trial would actually be higher with Fire Wall.
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jbjondeaueb17_ESO✭✭✭✭In our guild, for magicka char testing on target skeleton, it's Worm, ele drain, wall of lightning, and some bubbles or shards if needed. DDs also use pots (major sorcery, major prophecy, ...) No SPC, ...
Why wall of lightning from a healer ? Because you want all magicka classes to have the same buff, otherwise it's not fair for dps comparison.
I must admit at the moment we don't have stamina chars and most of the DDs are magsorc.Pain-Healer - Argonian Templar Healer (EP) - Immortal Redeemer - Gryphon's Heart
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DjMuscleboy02✭✭✭✭✭It doesn't matter the conditions of your dummy test, because that's all it is; a dummy test. That dummy is there to serve one purpose, practicing and tweaking rotations. Let your guildies beat on it and perfect their rotation.
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