PVP Nightblades: New Siphoning Strikes still bad?

Dottzgaming · May 2017

Mainly looking at magblades specifically. i know for awhile siphoning attacks was looking like it wouldnt be worth slotting, but im interested to hear peoples opinions on it now that that ZOS slightly altered the version that went live by reducing the cost and giving the burst of resources back when it expires

Smmokkee · May 2017

Still not using it. Still sucks, gutted skill.

kadar · May 2017

2 cents having not tested it yet...

Whether you slot it will probably depend on how highly you value a single skill slot. With the buffs to heavy attack sustain, it may be better to focus on that mechanic for sustain instead of depending on SA like we do now. That said, if you've got nothing else to slot there, it may be worth having for the extra resources?

Dottzgaming · May 2017

alright thanks guys, thats what i figured

ima leave it off

kadar · May 2017

Dottzgaming wrote: »

alright thanks guys, thats what i figured

ima leave it off

Hope over to this thread, has more infos:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/345862/morrowind-nightbalde-megathread-updates-on-siphoning-strikes-and-no-change-grim-focus#latest

NVM you already did.

Shadzilla · May 2017

Dottzgaming wrote: »

Mainly looking at magblades specifically. i know for awhile siphoning attacks was looking like it wouldnt be worth slotting, but im interested to hear peoples opinions on it now that that ZOS slightly altered the version that went live by reducing the cost and giving the burst of resources back when it expires

Skill is still horrible, the one thing nightblades had was sustain. Really didn't matter at all because every class had unlimited resources. Now, as soon as resources become important, siphoning gets DESTROYED. GG nightblades, keep calm and reroll mag sorc.

Autolycus · May 2017

The_Outsider wrote: »

2 cents having not tested it yet...

Whether you slot it will probably depend on how highly you value a single skill slot. With the buffs to heavy attack sustain, it may be better to focus on that mechanic for sustain instead of depending on SA like we do now. That said, if you've got nothing else to slot there, it may be worth having for the extra resources?

Agreed, plus the changes to Eclipse are going to be very painful for a magblade this update, but we don't have to cast a skill to get resources from heavy attacks, which are undodgeable anyway.

Kalante · May 2017

Making a mag sorc now, my friend too.

wimhwimladimf · May 2017

If by bad you mean no being OP, then yes, it's "bad".

Anti_Virus · May 2017

Autolycus wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

2 cents having not tested it yet...

Whether you slot it will probably depend on how highly you value a single skill slot. With the buffs to heavy attack sustain, it may be better to focus on that mechanic for sustain instead of depending on SA like we do now. That said, if you've got nothing else to slot there, it may be worth having for the extra resources?

Agreed, plus the changes to Eclipse are going to be very painful for a magblade this update, but we don't have to cast a skill to get resources from heavy attacks, which are undodgeable anyway.

If I recall correctly heavy attacks can now be dodged and you won't get any resource return.

arkansas_ESO · May 2017

It's a kinda-sorta-decent buff if your build wasn't able to hit a light attack every second (stam NBs, DW magblades) but it's a pretty harsh nerf to destro/resto magblades. It's not even so much the reduced magic return as it is the complete removal of stam return from the magic morph: magic NB is now the only class that doesn't have the tools to manage it's stam, and you can't even go sword and board for reduced block costs since you need the ranged light attacks from destro to proc your Merciless, and you've always been locked into running resto staff backbar since you don't have any burst heal apart from Healing Ward.

That being said, even if Siphoning had been completely unchanged this patch, magblade still wouldn't have been good. With the Eclipse change, every class (besides Nightblade, weirdly enough) has an easy way to shut down a projectile build, and magblade's all projectiles.

Rohamad_Ali · May 2017

In PvP it's nerfed too much .

Subversus · May 2017

wimhwimladimf wrote: »

If by bad you mean no being OP, then yes, it's "bad".

I bet you main sorc

Feanor · May 2017

It's awesome for Stamblades I heard. Didn't test it myself but I know at least one top StamNB on PC EU who is totally hyped for it in PvP.

Subversus · May 2017

Feanor wrote: »

It's awesome for Stamblades I heard. Didn't test it myself but I know at least one top StamNB on PC EU who is totally hyped for it in PvP.

So do I can we be friends

NightbladeMechanics · May 2017

3 lines of mag regen + witchmother's is enough mag sustain for me. I used Leeching Strikes all evening. That felt decent. Mageblade is still being pushed out of upfront fighting play styles into cloak. I don't like that.

Feanor · May 2017

Subversus wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

It's awesome for Stamblades I heard. Didn't test it myself but I know at least one top StamNB on PC EU who is totally hyped for it in PvP.

So do I can we be friends

Sorry, I don't have people who want to nerf Sorcs on my friend list

Dottzgaming · May 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

3 lines of mag regen + witchmother's is enough mag sustain for me. I used Leeching Strikes all evening. That felt decent. Mageblade is still being pushed out of upfront fighting play styles into cloak. I don't like that.

What did that end up working out to be in terms of numbers?
I just cut siphoning out of the build. no point in it now. So i just am trying to figure out what my mag recovery should be resting at

Elevenstorm · May 2017

I'm going to be testing this after i've finished leveling my warden but I never used siphoning strikes on my stamblade in No-cp campaigns in the last patch. I'm interested in using it as a magicka regen on my stamblade to get more cloaks and fears in.