Change damage buff of Marksman to include all mobs, not just players. If someone else suggested this already, I agree with them 1000%, LOL

Anne_Firehawk wrote: »

It does and always did say "Reduce ALL cost by 6%." Stop the Stamina QQ already, dont need homogenization.

No it doesn't, exact wording is "Reduces the cost of all your abilities by 6%"

What is the point in this? Pretty much everyone else here has already pointed out the discrepancies in your argument.

Alteration is unique, granted its other bonuses scale with magicka, but whatever, not every set in the game has to be tailored for everyone and every play style or there simply would be no versatility in builds/players.

Not sure if suggestions by OP is out of misinformation from the inability to read the difference between Abilities and All costs or whether this is just another one of those buff me pls kind of threads without any warranted argument to justify their claim.

Also given the changes to sustain, wouldn't it be counter intuitive if ZOS were to make all corresponding sets reduce costs of everything? Almost countering the changes they wish to make? I think so.

Actually I usually play a bow bow nb.

But that's entirely beside the point. Just because I'd rather not see every spec played in the exact same way, which is what happens when we go down the 'mag has this so I want it for stam road', doesn't mean I must play a mag character who wants to keep my 'OP' toys out of the hands of stam players.

Stam already gets the majority of those other cost reductions just by wearing medium armour.

You must be a heavy armour stam user who doesn't benefit from the medium passives and wants to remain OP.

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

WhiteMage wrote: »

Iirc, alteration mastery once said it reduced all costs, which is very unique. I don't see a reason for sets that reduce the cost of abilities to extend to everything the way alteration mastery does. This is just a bug fix for alteration mastery, not a buff.

Nope, Alteration verbatim from Live server: "Reduces the cost of all your abilities by 6%"

Versus Marksman: Reduces the cost of your Stamina abilities by 5% and increases the damage of your Bow abilities against Players by 8%

You guys are deliberately trying to make this muddy. Abilities are not just the skills on your bar, they are all actions you perform which have a cost.

He means its wording used to be different and should be changed back.

To actually maintain consistency, either Alteration Mastery should not use the word "abilities," or the phrase "basic abilities" should be amended into Marksman, Seducer, Worm Cult, and other such sets. The former would be how the game's vocabulary has worked since ever. The latter would be a new vocabulary to support the change ZOS made to Alteration Mastery's wording last patch.

It read like this before:

Pretty much this, it should then be changed if that is now the case, wasn't aware it had changed, my apologies.

I am against the idea simply because those bonuses are too strong to start slapping it across all sets because then where do we go from there for future of interesting set choices? Reducing by 10%? 12%? etc etc

Marksman also has a dmg component to its 5th piece so accompanying it with even more sustain isn't the best idea imo either.

Also as stated above doing so is counter intuitive to ZOS aims for the patch in overhauling resource management.

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Grumble_and_Grunt wrote: »

What is the point in this? Pretty much everyone else here has already pointed out the discrepancies in your argument.

Alteration is unique, granted its other bonuses scale with magicka, but whatever, not every set in the game has to be tailored for everyone and every play style or there simply would be no versatility in builds/players.

Not sure if suggestions by OP is out of misinformation from the inability to read the difference between Abilities and All costs or whether this is just another one of those buff me pls kind of threads without any warranted argument to justify their claim.

Also given the changes to sustain, wouldn't it be counter intuitive if ZOS were to make all corresponding sets reduce costs of everything? Almost countering the changes they wish to make? I think so.

How many times do I have to correct people on this? Who cares if AM used to say "all costs" when RIGHT NOW on LIVE server and PTS it says "abilities" which is the same word Marksman uses. Come on people, stop trying to trigger and troll and L2read.

Why is this so vehemently opposed? Are you all magsorc/mDk mains who just don't want to share your nice things?

We care because of precedent. AM's current wording is new as of this past patch. It does not represent the original design intent of the set or align with language used elsewhere in the game going back years.

Its current wording should be changed back to "all costs." The entire game should not be changed around it to accommodate the new wording.

Maybe. But then there is still the strong argument that roll/block/break are in fact "stamina abilities" and should be subject to Marksman's bonus.

Solariken wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Grumble_and_Grunt wrote: »

What is the point in this? Pretty much everyone else here has already pointed out the discrepancies in your argument.

Alteration is unique, granted its other bonuses scale with magicka, but whatever, not every set in the game has to be tailored for everyone and every play style or there simply would be no versatility in builds/players.

Not sure if suggestions by OP is out of misinformation from the inability to read the difference between Abilities and All costs or whether this is just another one of those buff me pls kind of threads without any warranted argument to justify their claim.

Also given the changes to sustain, wouldn't it be counter intuitive if ZOS were to make all corresponding sets reduce costs of everything? Almost countering the changes they wish to make? I think so.

How many times do I have to correct people on this? Who cares if AM used to say "all costs" when RIGHT NOW on LIVE server and PTS it says "abilities" which is the same word Marksman uses. Come on people, stop trying to trigger and troll and L2read.

Why is this so vehemently opposed? Are you all magsorc/mDk mains who just don't want to share your nice things?

We care because of precedent. AM's current wording is new as of this past patch. It does not represent the original design intent of the set or align with language used elsewhere in the game going back years.

Its current wording should be changed back to "all costs." The entire game should not be changed around it to accommodate the new wording.

Maybe. But then there is still the strong argument that roll/block/break are in fact "stamina abilities" and should be subject to Marksman's bonus.

Not maybe. No other "ability" cost reduction sets, glyphs, passives, or CP stars have ever been intended to reduce the costs of block, break free, or roll dodge without explicitly stating so.

You know that. You were either unaware before, or you wanted a shot at a stamina Alteration Mastery with some juicy bonus bow damage. Stop with the circular arguments and let the thread die already.

It's a fix, not a buff. Once upon a time it did what it was supposed to, and was broken for quite some time.