I never said they were evil. But they do inflate prices. If something is new or suddenly becomes popular, almost every price reflects that. With the traders I've seen up to 5000 gold difference on the same item. That just doesn't happen with auction houses because those selling for 5000 more buy up all the cheap ones then turn them around for the higher price. You can find guides how to do that. Only possible because all items are in one centralized location. Buy low, sell high. Some make their money doing only that. Never gather items themselves. Sounds like the most boring activity to me and I wouldn't doubt someone tries to do the same here but here you not only have to buy up all the stock, you have to have the good placement to have it even be seen. And I don't think you can have more than one trader per guild (not sure on that).

Why do you want one?

Guild trader system sucks. I hate that looking for something to buy has to turn into a mini-quest. I equally hate having to join a guild just to post a sale.

Lame. Lame. Lame.

Also, lame.

Another one!!!!!!

Get ready to be raided by 60 different trading guilds that are going to come in this forum just to vote no!

Kay1 wrote: »

Another one!!!!!!

Get ready to be raided by 60 different trading guilds that are going to come in this forum just to vote no!

Well not only trade guilds, I dont like the idea of a global auctionhouse and I'm not part of a big tradeguild or a frequent trader. Its maybe easier with a global AH but I like the idea of needing to go through various zones to get stuff more immersive.

And for this topic they should add a sticky post with all these topics which keep being posted every week so that newcomers can read before they post yet again the same stuff.

It has been asked several times. Zenimax said no. And there are a handful of moronic Idiots that support this corrupt system. Probably because they belong to the major guilds that control the system and it favors them, of course they will defend this píss heap of a system with their dying breaths.

To tell you the truth I find it stupid that to sell via an "in game market" you HAVE to belong to a guild. Not only that you must have the permission to sell and most guilds charge you for just belonging, yep they like to play business people in a digital world heheheh.

You'll either learn to live with it or do as I did. Screw the market and don't sell anything. Deconstruct for materials, break to clear space or sell to in game merchants. The game has a nice crafting system and you can get most of the stuff sold via guild shops through dedication. Dropped sets are an exception, but you can craft sets that are effective depending on your build or farm the dropped ones. So when you come to realize it, gold is useless in this game after you max out your bank, inventory and horse skills. Oh right you'll be using some to repair gear but...that's it

Cardhwion wrote: »

Whatelse73b14_ESO wrote: »

Definitely: c) a lot, [snip] and they just don't stop

I've been back and playing for a couple months now and holy crap. Every DAY there's a new auction house post, at least one.

Find solid trading guilds and join them. Sell and buy and sell and buy. After being in game for about two weeks I linked into 3 very solid and active ones. I ditched a couple because they died off quickly, but good ones with high activity are out there. It isn't that tough to find them, just go to an alliance hub and listen to zone chat for about 5 minutes, you'll see 3 or 4 of them.

At this point I recall them saying that basically, they would have to completely re-write code and systems in the game to do a "global" auction house (or even an alliance/zone AH). Would you rather they do that? Or fix bugs, work on things that are really broken and interfere with playing, work on new locations like Morrowind, etc etc etc?

Sorry but "Join a Trading Guild" is not the solution. I tried that and it ended with having a minimum trade requirement every week, often 10 000 gold and more, the requirement to keep my trading slots 30/30 all the time and and and...

Tbh I don't want such crap. I want to be able to sell stuff that I don't need and that I came across while questing. I don't want pressure or orders on how much I have to sell per week. So if there is one complaint I have about this game, it is this ridiculous guild trading system. I'd prefer a simple auction house like WoW has.

Then you found a crappy guild. Sorry to hear about that.

I have two guilds that usually get traders every week. One is actually a trading guild, one isn't. Neither of them have requirements like a certain amount of sales, need to keep trading slots full constantly, or anything else. The guild that is actually a trading guild does have VOLUNTARY raffles and auctions to raise the gold to get a trader. Normally one in Grahtwood, so apparently billions and billions of gold isn't required. The other guild does try for a trader, and sometimes doesn't get it. Normally the next week they do. Not a huge concern for that guild because trading isn't the primary focus.

I buy raffle tickets to support the trading guild, sometimes I have enough gold to try to buy from the auctions [not because I'm not making gold; I am buying motifs, however, which pretty much wipes out having "piles of gold" lying about]. I donate items to the guild for the raffles and auctions. The only requirement is that I log into the game at least once a week.

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I hate the current system. Not the different locations, the fact that it allows relatively few players to dominate what should be an open system. It allows those players to bully guild members into donating gold which may or may not be used to get a vendor. It's one of the reasons I've been playing less often. I despise it.

Seeing as you're a newcomer you can be forgiven for posting this, but an auction house is not going to happen. It's been discussed to death , with occasional developer input.

DHale wrote: »

The current system rewards patience and delayed gratification.

That is the nicest way I've ever heard somebody describe "Tedious [snip]"

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Galwylin wrote: »

I never said they were evil. But they do inflate prices. If something is new or suddenly becomes popular, almost every price reflects that. With the traders I've seen up to 5000 gold difference on the same item. That just doesn't happen with auction houses because those selling for 5000 more buy up all the cheap ones then turn them around for the higher price. You can find guides how to do that. Only possible because all items are in one centralized location. Buy low, sell high. Some make their money doing only that. Never gather items themselves. Sounds like the most boring activity to me and I wouldn't doubt someone tries to do the same here but here you not only have to buy up all the stock, you have to have the good placement to have it even be seen. And I don't think you can have more than one trader per guild (not sure on that).

Why do you want one?

You're being a bit too "global" with this comment, though. There is no way all prices are inflated. Some, sure. There will be some that are "cornered" or inflated. But there will be many other things that will be driven down to the vendor price or close to it. Arguments on both sides of this topic tend to be way too broad.

If you are one of the players who wants one of those cornered items, you'll be paying more. If you are not one of the players who wants those things, you'd probably enjoy a lot lower prices and the ease of use of the centralized market.

Which one is better? That all depends on what you are doing. These threads have revealed over time that there are a lot of players who view the health of the game economy completely through the lens of how much money they can make as a seller. There are some who just want to pop in and sell occasionally. There are some who play the trading game more than they play the "game game." Others want a system that provides definite access as a buyer and seller to all players, and are less concerned with what form that takes.

What's best for everyone? Probably nothing they could implement. Better search features would go a long way toward seeing if the current system could meet somewhere in the middle. Right now you kind of have half of a system in place. Like many things in the game, it gives the impression that they implemented a Phase 1 and stopped. To be fair, there have been improvements, but not the ones most players on the forums have asked for.

One of the big things we are starting to see is people are fedup with the mandatory guild fees, we are starting to see more and more people just shouting and wall spamming the text chat with items for sale.

People are going solo, or fee free guilds now, let's face it the guild bidding system is not a good system as new Guilds, and low membership guilds has a snow balls chance in hell to get a Trader due to the mega guilds have all the gold to buy the best high traffic spots in the game.....

But is the price of the fee worth it? The economy is jacked up so high that you are not getting the best prices for any items.... Most of the time you will be paying over 120-250% more than the items actual worth.
This is due to most guilds have max level taxes to get more gold on top of the fees so they can get a good bid in to win that coveted prime spot.
For you to make a profit you have to sell several thousand gold over the actual price to compensate for the vender taxes, and the guild tax..... (Ever wonder where the gold goes for the venders cut, it's not like NPC's buy things in game, why is there a vender tax.....?)

If ZOS will never have an Auction House than they need to fix the guild trader to make it an equal trade system for all players....

Perhaps take out the bidding system and put in a system that randomly takes every guild that has the required qualifications of members to distribute a guild trader to every guild each week. Yes if you are unlucky you may get a Trader out in Timbuktu, but at least everyone will have a Trader in the world.

Someone suggested also turning the wandering NPC Venders into guild traders as well, that sounds like not bad of an idea, if there is a lot of new guild, then make more wandering traders for those Guild....

Also someone said in sarcasm to put guild traders in Cyrodiil.... Why not?
Let's have guild traders in every land, every town, every city, and wandering around...

And again to make it a fair trade system for every guild, once a week the system will randomly give a guild trader to every guild.

If we do not get a random lottery system, then at least lock the guild gold so that all it can be used for is bidding.... Not even the GM can withdraw from it.... Let's see how many guilds would go for a random guaranteed trader, or an Auction House now that they can no longer scam, and leach off it's guild members...

Thank you for your time and consideration....

I hate the present system, and have as little to do with it as possible, but what is needed whilst not necessarily any kind of auction house is a proper trading system open to all players regardless of guild membership, kiosk bidding, or any other petty restriction designed to restrict the supply of items and so distort prices. The OP's proposal wouldn't provide a meaningful improvement on what we have already in my view, it would simply address the inconvenience of the present system to buyers rather than opening it up to everyone as sellers.

this Guild Store idea, (though it's different from other mmo's) was a bad idea. It would not be so bad if every guild was given a slot in some big Trading City where you go to one place to shop, like a supper Bazaar.

This hopping from one zone to another, and looking for those out if the way lost guild stores out in Timbuktu (got to feel sorry for those poor people, low sales profit projections in those Guilds)... Is very monotonous.

We wish the developers would bring in a world linked Auction House have one in every city and end this horrible Guild Store dictatorship.

Or at least make it free for guild founders to have a store slot, like we said above, make a huge city with one long Bazaar shopping strip, and place every guild up and down the street.

Now that we have an open world in Tamreil One the developers can place a wayshrines that is open on the map with a tutorial, (maybe a quest) that takes new players there and introduces them on the wonderful world of barter and trade.

What do you think?
Would you like an Auction House, or some one stop shopping Bazaar?

Beardimus wrote: »

Generally these threads or polls are made by new comes to the game, expecting or wanting it to be like WoW or other MMO's, which it isn't.

The current system is ace, you just need to work with it. As a buyer (deals) its far better as is today, you just need to work with it. Now your last search is saved it's really easy to check top traders in minutes and better yet there are deals to be had with the quieter traders, a central system would wreck that and ruin a whole aspect od this game people enjoy - trading.

The game has already been made more casual in many ways, and over simplified, so please don't ask to wreck a area of the game that rewards effort and is enjoyed by many.

If you went to see the history pro and con just do a search and you will see all the arguments.

Current system does need a text search for motif names etc aside from.that its awesome.

My tip is to join a selection of trading guilds, then you can access their traders from your bank. Also don't use the readers for mundane stuff, craft it and get in with a guild to help you. Onky go traders for the odd unique or BOE item you don't want to farm.

You mean as some one who pays weekly for the trader and cornering other players out of the markets is great!
And cry if you lost your market and /or have to compete with more volume of ppl selling under a auction house!

Mordenkainen wrote: »

vpy wrote: »

I am a relatively newcomer to ESO.

One thing that struck me shocking is the absence of single auction house.

In ESO the guild traders are far and apart and even when shopping for a gear/weapon it quickly becomes a pain.

So my fellow mates how many of you want a single unified auction house.

We can have several guild traders physically but they are all tied to single central repository to sell/buy items.

Shocking?


Look at SWTORs economy if you can even call it that anymore, then you know what shocking is. A single auction house, controlled and played by the fattest and richest people in the game while the rest has to suck their thumbs and prices keep rising.

LOL what? I went from 5 million to 30 million in about a week's time in SWTOR playing the market just a couple months ago. THAT is how a working economy looks.

This system in ESO sucks ass, that's all there is to it. "The fattest and richest" will game ESO's economy far, far more than they could SWTOR.