Talk me out of Spell Power Cure?

IronCrystal · May 2017

Militan1404 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

theultimatewarrior wrote: »

I run my healer with 5 seducer 3 magnus n for jewels 3 emm..willin? i do fine never ran out of mp.

Of course you never run out of magic but you also do nothing for your group beyond healing, SPC and any of the sets the op mentioned are better then what you have said. Hell you could do seducer+spc and it would be better.

And to the op, I would look into getting sentinel of rekugums and a master staff, there are plenty of Stam dps that will thank you for using them and SPC.

So what? What does the dps offer to the group other from dps?

Healers and tanks' roles in a group setting is to provide support to the DPS. The goal in a raid is to maximize dps, which is done by the tanks and healers buffing them.

DjMuscleboy02 · May 2017

Wait, is this saying that there is no diversity in healing and that there is a set that is required? BRING IN THE NERF HAMMER

Starless06 · May 2017

Your going want SPC + another 5pc. Worm, sanctuary or Twilight. They're situational so you'll eventually want a set of each to use with spc.

drake88131 · May 2017

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I have a DK healer and Spell Power Cure just seems too essential. I've been thinking about other sets, but I keep coming back to SPC. Here are other sets that I am currently looking at:

- Sanctuary
- Worm's Raiment
- Robes of the Withered Hand
- Mother's Sorrow
- Lamia's Song
- Healer's Habit
- Combat Physician
- Trinimac's Valor
- Arch Mage

Or... do I just go with Spell Power Cure because it's so strong? Anyone have any good arguments against SPC?

Talk you out of it? Ok look what just happened to bsw...spc is next!!!! Lololol

Fodore · May 2017

For my healer I run 5spc, 2troll king, 3 willpower. Powered maelstrom lightning and powered maelstrom healing

code65536 · May 2017

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Charged lightning staff with a shock glyph has a 84% chance to proc off balance status.

That's nice, but remind me again why you need the healer to do this when you already get Concussed from the Force Pulsing DPS in the group? The healer doesn't exist in a vacuum. Now, in a 4-person content, this could be pretty good. But with the number of Force Pulses you'll have in a trial, this is pretty pointless. I'd much rather the healer have that extra resistance so they're less likely to die in high-damaging content like vMoL HM.

LadyLavina · May 2017

somebody please excessively inbox him jpgs of people with disapproving facial expressions if he gets spell power cure.

there ya go op, don't get spell power cure.

I like the set, but it's a pain in the *** to get w/ ideal traits.

amasuriel · May 2017

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

SPC + Sanctuary is the best combination probably at least for Trials. The added 12% healing to everyone is huge.

You don't need sanctuary for trials, extra healing per cast isn't super relevant. It's not a bad set, but Worm, Twilight and Mending are all better.

code65536 · May 2017

amasuriel wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

SPC + Sanctuary is the best combination probably at least for Trials. The added 12% healing to everyone is huge.

You don't need sanctuary for trials, extra healing per cast isn't super relevant. It's not a bad set, but Worm, Twilight and Mending are all better.

I was skeptical of Sanctuary, but our healer wanted to try it in vMoL HM. It seems to work fairly well, and as a tank, things like my Absorb Magic spam during Rakkhat's barrage is buffed by Sanctuary. Is it the best combination to run? Not sure I can say, but it's certainly not bad.

Taleof2Cities · May 2017

theultimatewarrior wrote: »

I always wonder about wearing heavy sets though.. what it would it be like.

5 pc SPC (w/ jewelry) + 5 pc Kagrenac's Heavy + 1 pc Monster Helm (or 1 pc vMA resto staff)

^ still works good for PvP healing in case you were wondering ...

DisgracefulMind · May 2017

code65536 wrote: »

EvilCroc wrote: »

I'm running now SPC with Infallible Aether (in trials) or Kagrenac's hope (in 4-man dungeons).
I'm planning to farm Twilight Remedy for all content, especially with incoming Morrowind balance changes.
(Shards for everyone, everybody will be forced to use synergies, yay!)

Don't use Infal in trials. People will yell at you for that. First, the concussed status effect is very easy to get, since it has a high chance to proc from direct-damage abilities that do shock damage. All you need is a few sorcs using Force Pulse, and you'll have near constant uptime on Minor Vulnerability with no input from the healer. So IA is useless. Furthermore, multiple people have reported that concussed cannot be applied to a target that has the IA debuff, which means that enemies with the IA debuff can't be set off-balance. So you definitely don't want to use IA.

Right now, the best setup is SPC + Twilight Remedy. First, because healing orbs (the white orbs) are such a good heal (it is the top source of heals in our vMoL HM runs--even more than healing springs), both healers should use them and never the blue orbs. They are also better than the blue orbs for magicka sustain since the magic-over-time is scaled off of nearby allies, not nearby enemies. Second, with the prevalence of sorcs (who don't have the bar space for Trap Beast), Remedy is the best way for them to get Minor Force. And if people are good about popping orbs (which return magic for everyone near the orb popper), there is absolutely no need for the sustain from Worm.

Next patch, however, I expect it'll be SPC + Worm. ZOS is destroying sustain so everyone will be crying for Worm's cost reduction. And ZOS is also destroying orbs. It sucks that we'll be moving away from an awesome set like Remedy to Worm. Thanks Wrobel.

Also, @Wrecking_Blow_Spam I would not recommend a healer running a charged lightning staff. A powered or defending staff would be much better.
Off-Balance (for Exploiter) is a 100% guaranteed proc if the target is concussed and in a lightning wall. Charged will not increase this because it's already guaranteed.

Concussed is already pretty easy to get because it has a fairly high chance to proc from direct-damage abilities. A few players using Force Pulse is all you need to keep concussed up.

In contrast, the proc chance of concussed from lightning wall is very small--DoTs have a much smaller chance of procing concussion. Even with Charged, a lightning wall simply is not a good way to proc concussed.

You still need the wall to convert concussed to off-balance, but there's no point in running a Charged staff since your main source of concussed is Force Pulse and concussed from wall is pretty low to begin with.

Nah. Healer in Worm, healer in Mending = BiS

Will stay the same next patch prolly. Mundus didn't run a Worm healer, but we ran different buff sets than normal for our 163k pad 5 burn run. Remedy is good in theory, but meehhhhh when it actually performs in PvE.

In fact, I don't think any of the top teams run Remedy.

idk · May 2017

@GrumpyDuckling

I'm sure it's been said, but if your healing and especially if your healing trials SPC is a mainstay for both healers.

After that it's primarily worm for one healed and sanctuary for the other healer. Some other sets are sometimes used but one cannot go wrong being setup with these sets.

All the sets help you get your job done as healer and help the rest of the group as well.

Rungar · May 2017

he's a dk healer, how many raids do you think he will be attending?

idk · May 2017

Rungar wrote: »

he's a dk healer, how many raids do you think he will be attending?

Hope depend on his guild. It thinking he's healing vMoL, but have seen DK healers handle the craglorn raids well.

If did 4 man dungeons it really doesn't matter. PvP gearing can be very different.

exeeter702 · May 2017

This is what our dk healer runs in our vet trial group in case you were curious OP.

Depending on group makeup, he drops monster set and goes spc + twilight remedy. And runs WoE lighting instead of CoP.

This setup is used on vmol hm. And no the spider does not die..

WarpigFunk · May 2017

Rakkhat/ Rakkhat HM is the probably only fight in the game where sanctuary is worthwhile.

Also - Infall is fine for the first 2 bosses of AA

Also - SPC is basically mandatory for healers

Also - SPC should be paired with either 5 pc Mending, 5 pc Twilight, or 5 pc Worm depending on content and what the other healer is wearing

Also - Healers in ESO are Buffers who heal, not healers who buff.

If you're healer is running a set that offers no group utility you're doing it wrong.

IronCrystal · May 2017

I would say, sanctuary can be good if you are starting out in vmol hm and people aren't used to shielding/you aren't healing enough.

No top group runs it though as mending provides better defensive bonuses and worm's magicka boost is highly desirable. SPC is too much of a dps loss to not run it.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · May 2017

code65536 wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Charged lightning staff with a shock glyph has a 84% chance to proc off balance status.

That's nice, but remind me again why you need the healer to do this when you already get Concussed from the Force Pulsing DPS in the group? The healer doesn't exist in a vacuum. Now, in a 4-person content, this could be pretty good. But with the number of Force Pulses you'll have in a trial, this is pretty pointless. I'd much rather the healer have that extra resistance so they're less likely to die in high-damaging content like vMoL HM.

Please go to a DPS dummy and force pulse it to proc concussion...

Well good luck because I'll never see you again if you go do it.

angelncelestine · May 2017

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

Wait, is this saying that there is no diversity in healing and that there is a set that is required? BRING IN THE NERF HAMMER

Yep I was gonna say the same thing!

GrumpyDuckling · May 2017

exeeter702 wrote: »

This is what our dk healer runs in our vet trial group in case you were curious OP.

Depending on group makeup, he drops monster set and goes spc + twilight remedy. And runs WoE lighting instead of CoP.

This setup is used on vmol hm. And no the spider does not die..

Ah, thank you! I like the visuals.

Rev Rielle · May 2017

It lets your group complete content a couple of percentage points quicker. But it's certainly not needed. There were some posts from the number-crunchers about just how much it helped. And it helps, sure, but it's largely theoretically. You're not going to succeed/fail at completing content based solely on whether your healer has SPC or not.

Militan1404 · May 2017

IronCrystal wrote: »

Militan1404 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

theultimatewarrior wrote: »

I run my healer with 5 seducer 3 magnus n for jewels 3 emm..willin? i do fine never ran out of mp.

Of course you never run out of magic but you also do nothing for your group beyond healing, SPC and any of the sets the op mentioned are better then what you have said. Hell you could do seducer+spc and it would be better.

And to the op, I would look into getting sentinel of rekugums and a master staff, there are plenty of Stam dps that will thank you for using them and SPC.

So what? What does the dps offer to the group other from dps?

Healers and tanks' roles in a group setting is to provide support to the DPS. The goal in a raid is to maximize dps, which is done by the tanks and healers buffing them.

No healers job is to heal and tanks job is to tank. Whatever more they offers its just bonus.

flizomica · May 2017

Militan1404 wrote: »

IronCrystal wrote: »

Militan1404 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

theultimatewarrior wrote: »

I run my healer with 5 seducer 3 magnus n for jewels 3 emm..willin? i do fine never ran out of mp.

Of course you never run out of magic but you also do nothing for your group beyond healing, SPC and any of the sets the op mentioned are better then what you have said. Hell you could do seducer+spc and it would be better.

And to the op, I would look into getting sentinel of rekugums and a master staff, there are plenty of Stam dps that will thank you for using them and SPC.

So what? What does the dps offer to the group other from dps?

Healers and tanks' roles in a group setting is to provide support to the DPS. The goal in a raid is to maximize dps, which is done by the tanks and healers buffing them.

No healers job is to heal and tanks job is to tank. Whatever more they offers its just bonus.

not in this game..

Militan1404 · May 2017

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Militan1404 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

theultimatewarrior wrote: »

I run my healer with 5 seducer 3 magnus n for jewels 3 emm..willin? i do fine never ran out of mp.

Of course you never run out of magic but you also do nothing for your group beyond healing, SPC and any of the sets the op mentioned are better then what you have said. Hell you could do seducer+spc and it would be better.

And to the op, I would look into getting sentinel of rekugums and a master staff, there are plenty of Stam dps that will thank you for using them and SPC.

So what? What does the dps offer to the group other from dps?

is this a joke? are you going to heal dungoens to completion? the better the DPS you have, the faster you clear content, the easier the runs become. not sure why this would be needed to be explained.

Okay, what contet does u think that is so hard in this game that u have to dps so fast to break the mechanics to Get done? But You probely right, maybe im just tired and grumpy of seeing the same builds and the same skills in evry trials and dungeon:p

IronCrystal · May 2017

Militan1404 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Militan1404 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

theultimatewarrior wrote: »

I run my healer with 5 seducer 3 magnus n for jewels 3 emm..willin? i do fine never ran out of mp.

Of course you never run out of magic but you also do nothing for your group beyond healing, SPC and any of the sets the op mentioned are better then what you have said. Hell you could do seducer+spc and it would be better.

And to the op, I would look into getting sentinel of rekugums and a master staff, there are plenty of Stam dps that will thank you for using them and SPC.

So what? What does the dps offer to the group other from dps?

is this a joke? are you going to heal dungoens to completion? the better the DPS you have, the faster you clear content, the easier the runs become. not sure why this would be needed to be explained.

Okay, what contet does u think that is so hard in this game that u have to dps so fast to break the mechanics to Get done? But You probely right, maybe im just tired and grumpy of seeing the same builds and the same skills in evry trials and dungeon:p

Good luck doing vet trials without supporting your dps through resource management and damage buffs/debuffs on enemy. Sure you might be able to scrape by and clear if you have really good dps players, but who wants to struggle like that?

Rev Rielle · May 2017

IronCrystal wrote: »

Militan1404 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Militan1404 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

theultimatewarrior wrote: »

I run my healer with 5 seducer 3 magnus n for jewels 3 emm..willin? i do fine never ran out of mp.

Of course you never run out of magic but you also do nothing for your group beyond healing, SPC and any of the sets the op mentioned are better then what you have said. Hell you could do seducer+spc and it would be better.

And to the op, I would look into getting sentinel of rekugums and a master staff, there are plenty of Stam dps that will thank you for using them and SPC.

So what? What does the dps offer to the group other from dps?

is this a joke? are you going to heal dungoens to completion? the better the DPS you have, the faster you clear content, the easier the runs become. not sure why this would be needed to be explained.

Okay, what contet does u think that is so hard in this game that u have to dps so fast to break the mechanics to Get done? But You probely right, maybe im just tired and grumpy of seeing the same builds and the same skills in evry trials and dungeon:p

Good luck doing vet trials without supporting your dps through resource management and damage buffs/debuffs on enemy. Sure you might be able to scrape by and clear if you have really good dps players, but who wants to struggle like that?

You must admit though, Veteran Trials are such a small part of the game to the vast majority they're not even worth a mention unless specifically talked about by the OP.

Shadzilla · May 2017

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I have a DK healer and Spell Power Cure just seems too essential. I've been thinking about other sets, but I keep coming back to SPC. Here are other sets that I am currently looking at:

- Sanctuary
- Worm's Raiment
- Robes of the Withered Hand
- Mother's Sorrow
- Lamia's Song
- Healer's Habit
- Combat Physician
- Trinimac's Valor
- Arch Mage

Or... do I just go with Spell Power Cure because it's so strong? Anyone have any good arguments against SPC?

5 spc and 5 twilight.

Nighn_9 · May 2017

In all honesty, Spell Power Cure needs to be changed... Otherwise it will always be a staple set for healers until ESO's mega server shuts down forever. I mean ZOS could make another set to compete with it, but the healers would then have 2 staples to wear...

What ZOS should really do is make it a new major/minor buff, and give the same exact buff to Powerful Assault.

Due to the Caltrop changes, this could help stam dps come back to raids or the off tank could keep using it and just keep stam dps out. Either way, it would allow another healer to wear a different set other than SPC.

With all that said, I also think Worm Cult needs a change too, especially with the changes to resource management for Morrowind. It should reduce stam and mag cost, and just do something completely new with Hircine's Veneer.

For the most part that is my opinion on a few sets, but all in all SPC needs to be changed otherwise it'll always be a staple for healers.

TheDoomsdayMonster · May 2017

I personally like to go with Mothers Sorrow x5, Combat Physician x4, and Chokethorn x2 (along with 100 points into Blessed and Elfborn) as my ultimate Healer setup (Thief Mundus, Precise Resto Staff)...

7 Pieces of Light Armor...

All Divines....

All Spell Cost Reduction Jewelry...

You'll be crit healing constantly for big numbers (at a 81+ % rate), you will be able to spam heals until you are blue in the face, and that Plant is basically a second Healer in your party...

Nothing is killing your group as long as you are able to stay awake...

As for talking you out of using SPC...

Screw the people that say "there is only one way to be;" as long as you are able to keep your party alive and are able to complete content, you are good...

Bottomline is that SPC is not essential to get through this games content; don't let people convince you that what they say is the only way...

There are many fully functional setups that yield great results that will get you through this game as well...

Tasear · May 2017

If it's not a raid then YOLO

Lamia's song seems DK inclined along with combat physician

For raids SPC is ideal + anything else's