item capitalization Randomized Since patch Update.

abigfishy · May 2017

I would like this fixed and I would like the group finder fixed which has been broken since homestead.

svartorn · May 2017

This game has been a beta for 3 years.

Tavore1138 · May 2017

this is a trivial mistake but it speaks to a culture that possibly is not allowing sufficient time for testing and qa - if you want someone to come and do some technical coding team management with source control etc let me know...

SteveCampsOut · May 2017

Anne_Firehawk wrote: »

lol who cares? there are way more important things to fix out there!

Some of us care about professionalism.

fgoron2000 · May 2017

If...and only if...this bug is 100% purely cosmetic, then yeah, in my book, it can be considered mostly trivial, and a bit of a chuckle for about a minute and a half. The QA aspect can also be debated separately. But apparently it's not purely cosmetic, since it has been noted that this affected the functionality of at least one potion-related mod, and the alchemy master writs may be broken as well. Just my 2 cents. I'm heading back into the game, and hoping that it's been resolved, or will be soon.

Arthmoor · May 2017

Heh. Looks like whatever Unicode changes you guys did aren't happy about it being done :P

kyle.wilson · May 2017

MusekininKanchou wrote: »

Since the patch a lot of items have lost capitalization in the gui. This is looks ugly. For instance grease still starts with a Capital G but clear water now starts with a lowercase c and most of the alchemy reagents are lowercase now. Also a crafted "Axe of Julianos" is now "axe of Julianos" while a "Dagger of Julianos" is still the same. It's just random. There are rules for this guys.

This kind of stuff just highlights the lack of care by the dev staff.
BTW it's not our job to know what division is responsible for whatever issue we encounter. That is something that should be getting done by ZOS, but being cheeky about it emphasizes a general lack of professionalism.

Moloch1514 · May 2017

kyle.wilson wrote: »

MusekininKanchou wrote: »

Since the patch a lot of items have lost capitalization in the gui. This is looks ugly. For instance grease still starts with a Capital G but clear water now starts with a lowercase c and most of the alchemy reagents are lowercase now. Also a crafted "Axe of Julianos" is now "axe of Julianos" while a "Dagger of Julianos" is still the same. It's just random. There are rules for this guys.

This kind of stuff just highlights the lack of care by the dev staff.
BTW it's not our job to know what division is responsible for whatever issue we encounter. That is something that should be getting done by ZOS, but being cheeky about it emphasizes a general lack of professionalism.

Well said. While a small issue, this should be embarrassing to let go Live on a AAA+ game and perfectly illustrates my waning confidence in this new marketing-focused ZO$ we've seen evolve in the last 1-2 years.

But remember, we don't have to be here.

Shadowshire · May 2017

MusekininKanchou wrote: »

Anne_Firehawk wrote: »

lol who cares? there are way more important things to fix out there!

It's called attention to detail. If you can stay focused long enough to make sure items are displayed consistently and according to accepted grammatical rules then you probably can't manage actual game play either as that's way harder. Just like while I generally care little about spelling and punctuation but I'm not going to join a guild with glaring misspellings incorrect punctuation and incorrect capitalizations.

Speaking of attention to detail, you probably meant "If you can't stay focused ..." instead of "If you can stay focused ...", right? Don't get me started on the lack of proper punctuation in your comments, puh-leeze.

It takes little time make sure that it's correct before you create a guild and the guild name is going to be everyone's fist impression. ... Oh and you don't capitalize "Of The" in the middle of the guild name. ....

So you think that "The United States Of America" and "President Of The United States" are capitalized incorrectly? According to whose rules?

Moloch1514 · May 2017

Shadowshire wrote: »

MusekininKanchou wrote: »

Anne_Firehawk wrote: »

lol who cares? there are way more important things to fix out there!

It's called attention to detail. If you can stay focused long enough to make sure items are displayed consistently and according to accepted grammatical rules then you probably can't manage actual game play either as that's way harder. Just like while I generally care little about spelling and punctuation but I'm not going to join a guild with glaring misspellings incorrect punctuation and incorrect capitalizations.

Speaking of attention to detail, you probably meant "If you can't stay focused ..." instead of "If you can stay focused ...", right? Don't get me started on the lack of proper punctuation in your comments, puh-leeze.

It takes little time make sure that it's correct before you create a guild and the guild name is going to be everyone's fist impression. ... Oh and you don't capitalize "Of The" in the middle of the guild name. ....

So you think that "The United States Of America" and "President Of The United States" are capitalized incorrectly? According to whose rules?

grammar.yourdictionary.com/capitalization/rules-for-capitalization-in-titles.html

snip:
"In Titles: Do Not Capitalize

As you have probably noticed "short" words, those with less than five letters, are generally lowercase in titles, unless they are the first or last words in a title.

Generally, we do not capitalize:

Articles: a, an, the
Coordinating Conjunctions: and, but, or, for, nor, etc.
Prepositions (fewer than five letters): on, at, to, from, by, etc.
When in doubt and you do not have a reference guide in front of you, here is one general rule to remember recommended by The U.S. Government Printing Office Style Manual:

"Capitalize all words in titles of publications and documents, except a, an, the, at, by, for, in, of, on, to, up, and, as, but, or, and nor."

Shadowshire · May 2017

notimetocare wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Is there any testing done prior to applying these patches on live at all? I mean I understand it's not as easy as it seems, changes in code can have hard to foresee side effects to things totally unrelated on first sight and they cannot possibly test everything but really...it took exactly 3 minutes to discover - go out of the city, kill 1 mob, get "rubedite dagger of Frost". Do they not test AT ALL? Not even 5 minutes of gameplay to make sure game still works with whatever they change? Would at least remove glaring bugs like this.

Really, you think something like this is on the radar to watch out for when you have a patch that is adding in content? Really? A bug like this is irrelevant.

The first rule for updating or upgrading software is never break something that is already working correctly. Period.

But the real question asked is whether the ZOS development team includes anyone who does "Alpha testing" on the software before the patches are created and released. Also, on most programming teams, each and every programmer who writes even one line of code is responsible for testing it to ensure that it produces correct output from correct input and does not change that for anything else. I think most of us know what the ZOS policy and practices are by now, or we wouldn't be having this discussion.

TheImperfect · May 2017

hehe first one I saw was a trifling Glyph of Stamina.....thought wow it's a really trifling one with a small t lol

Shadowshire · May 2017

CalydorEstalon wrote: »

Anne_Firehawk wrote: »

lol who cares? there are way more important things to fix out there!

Just remember that capitalization is the difference between helping your uncle Jack off a horse and helping your ... yeah, I don't want a suspension.

LMAO!! Ummmm... you forgot to capitalize "Uncle".

Shadowshire · May 2017

LMar wrote: »

.... Some style materials show a weird tooltip. Eg Scrimshaw says "Unused Style Item: 20" or something to that effect.

"Unused 17" has been the name of a Style shown on item tooltips, too, for a rather long time. But I cannot recall the racial style to which it refers.

ookami007 · May 2017

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

This is the kind of error that they likely noticed but felt the other fixes in the patch were more import and didn't want to hold back the patch for additional fixes. People can skip the grand narratives.

Bug also not likely in the loot tables. Camel case is likely applied later.

You mean, this is likely the type of error that they noticed but felt it wouldn't make them look cheap and unprofessional. Obviously, they were mistaken.

reoskit · May 2017

Please hurry.

*closes eyes*

Sounomi · May 2017

A lot of the older item names are stored in all lower case in their raw format. The game then formats this raw format into what you normally see. So likely what happened is that the mechanism that does this formatting got broke somehow and managed to slip past testing. Its just a simple thing and it happens at times.

For those that are truly bothered by it ,here's a simple add-on that adjusts the formatting for the names so they'll be properly capitalized again while we wait for an official fix.

Ignotus · May 2017

Re: the screenshot posted by Moloch1514

If anyone from ZOS actually said:

You know you don't have to be here right?

I would find that very amusing, and I have little reason to doubt the screenshot. Perhaps I just like chaos, but that's bad-ass imo. I get that we are customers and we keep the game afloat and all that, but they (ZOS) are regular people too. Sometimes people reach a limit. There's a lot of negativity on the forums, and I'm not saying some of it isn't deserved, but after a long day of hearing/reading it, I'm sure patience starts to wear thin.

I currently work in retail, and some people (customers) just cannot be pleased. We do make mistakes where I work, and some criticism is warranted, but some people will never be satisfied unless things are perfect. Guess what though, we're human, and things are rarely going to be perfect or run without a hitch. Most of our customers understand that, but there are a few who I'd love to tell to go somewhere else. They complain constantly, but they keep coming back! I'd love to say "you know, our competitor is right down the street if you are so miserable doing business with us". Sometimes I just get tired of hearing it from them. So I applaud the comment if it's legit. I'm sorry that I missed it when it happened. Personally, I'm not offended and it doesn't strike me as being overly inflammatory.

starkerealm · May 2017

@Ignotus, the real context for that quote, if you're wondering, was a Q&A session. Rich was there to talk about how the dev team interacts with the game, and how this informs their ability to interact with the community, and their design decisions. I want to say there were some other devs also answering questions in the same thread, but it's been over a year, so I'm not 100% now.

In the middle of all of this NOTPLAYER2 kept coming back with these loaded questions. Things like, "why do you keep shoving stuff in the crown store, instead of fixing your game?" (Though, that wasn't a verbatim question, so far as I can remember.) Somewhere around the eighth page of this, and NP2 had posted a bunch of these. I want to say this was the tenth or eleventh question from him, Rich posted that reply. In context, "you don't have to be [in this thread]..." But, that was the soundbite that NP2 and some of the others were hunting for.

You'll notice, the trolls who like to bring it up now use screenshots, so you can't find the context, even if you wanted to. Here is the actual post, if you're curious, it's actually a decent thread as I recall.

Ignotus · May 2017

So it was said, but possibly taken out of context. Regardless, I'm still amused and not offended at all. Thanks for linking the original thread @starkerealm and for tagging me so I would see your reply.

I'm sure ZOS are grateful that we continue to play ESO, but in reality, we really don't have to be here (whether here means on the forums discussing the game or here as in playing the game at all). If someone is truly infuriated by the game or its direction, or is really dissatisfied and not having fun, play something else. Check in on the game from time to time if you are really interested or invested and maybe it will evolve back to a point where you can enjoy it again. That's what I'm doing. I quit when One Tamriel went live. I'm checking it out again now to see where things are at because I'm bored with single player games at the moment.

Ignotus · May 2017

Sounomi wrote: »

For those that are truly bothered by it ,here's a simple add-on that adjusts the formatting for the names so they'll be properly capitalized again while we wait for an official fix.

Has anyone tried this to see if it works? It's just one line.

SafeAddString(SI_TOOLTIP_ITEM_NAME, "<<t:1>>", 10)

I'm attempting to login now and will check.

EDIT: And it works! Thanks!

bellatrixed · May 2017

Sometimes I wonder if anyone who gets outraged about bugs has ever played an MMO before.

All MMOs have bugs, even WoW. All MMOs are "always in beta" since they're always adding new features and things are always breaking.

It's literally part of the MMO experience. If you want a game to be flawless a single player game is probably a safer option.

sadownik · May 2017

@bellatrixed you are right to a degree. In fact almost all software has bugs. But there are degrees, and ESO for a present day AAA production is buggy as hell. Whats worse there are very old bugs that still remain or reappear.

ZOS_GinaBruno · May 2017

Just to follow up, this issue will be fixed when we launch Update 14 (Morrowind). For what it's worth, this is only appearing on the Live megaservers so we never encountered it on our internal servers. It is just a visual issue, though; the items all still do the same thing.

Elvenpath · May 2017

As i know dungeon finder tool is broken more than 6 months and it's perfect tool for pve and can be useful in most cases. So this item capitalize glitch will be fix probably in 2025.

Turelus · May 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just to follow up, this issue will be fixed when we launch Update 14 (Morrowind). For what it's worth, this is only appearing on the Live megaservers so we never encountered it on our internal servers. It is just a visual issue, though; the items all still do the same thing.

Thanks for the update Gina.

Okay, just got to try and ignore my OCD about capitalisation of letters for just over three weeks. I can do that right?

GaldorP · May 2017

Ha, so this is not an addon-related bug?! It drove me so crazy I tried hard to find out which addon was causing this ><

Edit: It seems to affect mostly non-set equippable items and one-handed weapons of sets as well as the words "health", "magicka", and "stamina".
Edit2: Thanks for the addon that fixes this!!

QuebraRegra · May 2017

Moloch1514 wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

MusekininKanchou wrote: »

Since the patch a lot of items have lost capitalization in the gui. This is looks ugly. For instance grease still starts with a Capital G but clear water now starts with a lowercase c and most of the alchemy reagents are lowercase now. Also a crafted "Axe of Julianos" is now "axe of Julianos" while a "Dagger of Julianos" is still the same. It's just random. There are rules for this guys.

This kind of stuff just highlights the lack of care by the dev staff.
BTW it's not our job to know what division is responsible for whatever issue we encounter. That is something that should be getting done by ZOS, but being cheeky about it emphasizes a general lack of professionalism.

Well said. While a small issue, this should be embarrassing to let go Live on a AAA+ game and perfectly illustrates my waning confidence in this new marketing-focused ZO$ we've seen evolve in the last 1-2 years.

But remember, we don't have to be here.

and I think the response to that might be something like this?
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/209/784/5de.png

Darlgon · May 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just to follow up, this issue will be fixed when we launch Update 14 (Morrowind). For what it's worth, this is only appearing on the Live megaservers so we never encountered it on our internal servers. It is just a visual issue, though; the items all still do the same thing.

Thats pretty disappointing Gina. It speaks poorly of ZOS quality control that you can OOPS a itemization database wrongly into the game and say, "Oh well.. live with it until we have our big launch in three weeks". And, yeah, I know its not you. You just get to be the messenger for a sucky message.

I kinda wish the shareholders of ZoS could see this kinda shoddy game design.

Vaoh · May 2017

Moloch1514 wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

MusekininKanchou wrote: »

Since the patch a lot of items have lost capitalization in the gui. This is looks ugly. For instance grease still starts with a Capital G but clear water now starts with a lowercase c and most of the alchemy reagents are lowercase now. Also a crafted "Axe of Julianos" is now "axe of Julianos" while a "Dagger of Julianos" is still the same. It's just random. There are rules for this guys.

This kind of stuff just highlights the lack of care by the dev staff.
BTW it's not our job to know what division is responsible for whatever issue we encounter. That is something that should be getting done by ZOS, but being cheeky about it emphasizes a general lack of professionalism.

Well said. While a small issue, this should be embarrassing to let go Live on a AAA+ game and perfectly illustrates my waning confidence in this new marketing-focused ZO$ we've seen evolve in the last 1-2 years.

But remember, we don't have to be here.

Oh c'mon..... Don't take that one out of context -_- it was hilarious and fit well in the thread.