item capitalization Randomized Since patch Update.

MusekininKanchou

Since the patch a lot of items have lost capitalization in the gui. This is looks ugly. For instance grease still starts with a Capital G but clear water now starts with a lowercase c and most of the alchemy reagents are lowercase now. Also a crafted "Axe of Julianos" is now "axe of Julianos" while a "Dagger of Julianos" is still the same. It's just random. There are rules for this guys.

Preyfar

This is really kind of... amateur. People wonder why some players have no faith in ZOS and it's because they release patches that look like they're from Beta -- missing, incomplete, not quite tested. You'd figure itemization changes would be in the patch notes but they're not, and given the typos that have appeared in items names (with One Tamriel) these changes are definitely by hand and intentional, but how they implemented it is strangely inconsistent.

I expect more from a game that's been in production for 3+ years. Again, if this were from Beta I could understand it, but live?

Oompuh

Okay, that's pretty funny lol

ZOS_GinaBruno

Thanks guys, we're aware and looking into it.

Reivax

That's weird, is it maybe an add-on? I have never noticed any lower case like that, and I would have noticed.

Shadow_Viper_vX

Funny, but there's more important things for ZOS to be focusing their attention on(like lag/performance)...

Magdalina

Is there any testing done prior to applying these patches on live at all? I mean I understand it's not as easy as it seems, changes in code can have hard to foresee side effects to things totally unrelated on first sight and they cannot possibly test everything but really...it took exactly 3 minutes to discover - go out of the city, kill 1 mob, get "rubedite dagger of Frost". Do they not test AT ALL? Not even 5 minutes of gameplay to make sure game still works with whatever they change? Would at least remove glaring bugs like this.

Turelus

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks guys, we're aware and looking into it.

Is this a typo I can blame you for yet? I am still looking.

Moloch1514

Lol, must be an update from whoever writes those horrible tool tips!

Anne_Firehawk

lol who cares? there are way more important things to fix out there!

ZOS_GinaBruno

Turelus wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks guys, we're aware and looking into it.

Is this a typo I can blame you for yet? I am still looking.

You're gonna have to try harder than that.

Also, just a friendly reminder that the team working on fixing this particular issue aren't the same ones working on things like game performance.

Dagoth_Rac

Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »

Funny, but there's more important things for ZOS to be focusing their attention on(like lag/performance)...

You can deliver the mail and fix potholes at same time you are fighting WWII. Police can arrest purse snatchers and public drunkards at same time they are hunting down a serial killer. This is not an either/or. There will always be big fixes and big changes in the works. You cannot completely neglect smaller issues until the biggest and most difficult problems are resolved. Having 20 people work on lag/performance will be unlikely to get it resolved any sooner than having, say, 12 people on it. There are quickly diminishing returns to throwing more and more people at a problem.

Preyfar

Anne_Firehawk wrote: »

lol who cares? there are way more important things to fix out there!

Itemization is a big part of the game, and clearly something changed with it in a large way that wasn't covered in patch notes. It could be improvements to how much space items take up in anticipation for doubling bank capacity, it could be something else. But changes that effect items are a pretty big part of the game (sometimes visually, sometimes behind the scenes).

And yes, we all know there's bigger issues at hand. But art teams are different than network teams, coders different than audio techs, loremasters are different than the localization crew. I used to be a 3D animator. You do not want people like me working on server optimization code, trust me. Itemization could be the domain of one coder who specializes in databases, a skillset far different than almost any other.

TheRealPotoroo

Who hired e. e. cummings?

MusekininKanchou

Anne_Firehawk wrote: »

lol who cares? there are way more important things to fix out there!

It's called attention to detail. If you can stay focused long enough to make sure items are displayed consistently and according to accepted grammatical rules then you probably can't manage actual game play either as that's way harder. Just like while I generally care little about spelling and punctuation but I'm not going to join a guild with glaring misspellings incorrect punctuation and incorrect capitalizations. It takes little time make sure that it's correct before you create a guild and the guild name is going to be everyone's fist impression. If you can't get that right you probably can't be relied on to raise money and make sensible bids. I'm not joining Bob's guild if Bob doesn't know what an apostrophe is for and calls it "Bobs Guild". Or doesn't bother to spell check an important word like "Merchents" instead of "Merchants". Oh and you don't capitalize "Of The" in the middle of the guild name. And yes if your guild has ever had a merchant I know it's name so shame on you.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks guys, we're aware and looking into it.

Thanks! My wife is kind of OCD and that kind of stuff drives here crazy. You should just have her update the loot tables.

MusekininKanchou

Preyfar wrote: »

Anne_Firehawk wrote: »

lol who cares? there are way more important things to fix out there!

Itemization is a big part of the game, and clearly something changed with it in a large way that wasn't covered in patch notes. It could be improvements to how much space items take up in anticipation for doubling bank capacity, it could be something else. But changes that effect items are a pretty big part of the game (sometimes visually, sometimes behind the scenes).

And yes, we all know there's bigger issues at hand. But art teams are different than network teams, coders different than audio techs, loremasters are different than the localization crew. I used to be a 3D animator. You do not want people like me working on server optimization code, trust me. Itemization could be the domain of one coder who specializes in databases, a skillset far different than almost any other.

I learned a long time ago. Always assume the loot tables have changed. It's almost never in the patch notes but it's always changing. ZOS_GinaBruno, make a note. Last thing in patch notes should always be. "Screwed with loot tables"

Elsonso

MusekininKanchou wrote: »

Preyfar wrote: »

Anne_Firehawk wrote: »

lol who cares? there are way more important things to fix out there!

Itemization is a big part of the game, and clearly something changed with it in a large way that wasn't covered in patch notes. It could be improvements to how much space items take up in anticipation for doubling bank capacity, it could be something else. But changes that effect items are a pretty big part of the game (sometimes visually, sometimes behind the scenes).

And yes, we all know there's bigger issues at hand. But art teams are different than network teams, coders different than audio techs, loremasters are different than the localization crew. I used to be a 3D animator. You do not want people like me working on server optimization code, trust me. Itemization could be the domain of one coder who specializes in databases, a skillset far different than almost any other.

I learned a long time ago. Always assume the loot tables have changed. It's almost never in the patch notes but it's always changing. ZOS_GinaBruno, make a note. Last thing in patch notes should always be. "Screwed with loot tables"

Right after, "Created new bugs to fix"

LMar

Woops since I missed this thread and started another one I will post another bug that appeared with the recent patch

Some style materials show a weird tooltip. Eg Scrimshaw says "Unused Style Item: 20" or something to that effect

stevepdodson_ESO888

lordrichter wrote: »

MusekininKanchou wrote: »

Preyfar wrote: »

Anne_Firehawk wrote: »

lol who cares? there are way more important things to fix out there!

Itemization is a big part of the game, and clearly something changed with it in a large way that wasn't covered in patch notes. It could be improvements to how much space items take up in anticipation for doubling bank capacity, it could be something else. But changes that effect items are a pretty big part of the game (sometimes visually, sometimes behind the scenes).

And yes, we all know there's bigger issues at hand. But art teams are different than network teams, coders different than audio techs, loremasters are different than the localization crew. I used to be a 3D animator. You do not want people like me working on server optimization code, trust me. Itemization could be the domain of one coder who specializes in databases, a skillset far different than almost any other.

I learned a long time ago. Always assume the loot tables have changed. It's almost never in the patch notes but it's always changing. ZOS_GinaBruno, make a note. Last thing in patch notes should always be. "Screwed with loot tables"

Right after, "Created new bugs to fix"

job creation

Sheva I 7 I

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks guys, we're aware and looking into it.

Is this a typo I can blame you for yet? I am still looking.

You're gonna have to try harder than that.

Also, just a friendly reminder that the team working on fixing this particular issue aren't the same ones working on things like game performance.

Gina could you also tell em to finally fix twilight remedy buff? Minor force is no longer 12% its 10% yet the bonus on twilight remedy still says 12%

Muttsmutt

my OCD is off the charts with this
please fix it quick
i don't have much longer left
tell my cat and my mother i love them
i always told them, OCD can't harm me... don't tell them what killed me

Turelus

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks guys, we're aware and looking into it.

Is this a typo I can blame you for yet? I am still looking.

You're gonna have to try harder than that.

*grumbles and goes to read the PTS patch notes*

DaveMoeDee

MusekininKanchou wrote: »

Anne_Firehawk wrote: »

lol who cares? there are way more important things to fix out there!

It's called attention to detail. If you can stay focused long enough to make sure items are displayed consistently and according to accepted grammatical rules then you probably can't manage actual game play either as that's way harder. Just like while I generally care little about spelling and punctuation but I'm not going to join a guild with glaring misspellings incorrect punctuation and incorrect capitalizations. It takes little time make sure that it's correct before you create a guild and the guild name is going to be everyone's fist impression. If you can't get that right you probably can't be relied on to raise money and make sensible bids. I'm not joining Bob's guild if Bob doesn't know what an apostrophe is for and calls it "Bobs Guild". Or doesn't bother to spell check an important word like "Merchents" instead of "Merchants". Oh and you don't capitalize "Of The" in the middle of the guild name. And yes if your guild has ever had a merchant I know it's name so shame on you.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks guys, we're aware and looking into it.

Thanks! My wife is kind of OCD and that kind of stuff drives here crazy. You should just have her update the loot tables.

This is the kind of error that they likely noticed but felt the other fixes in the patch were more import and didn't want to hold back the patch for additional fixes. People can skip the grand narratives.

Bug also not likely in the loot tables. Camel case is likely applied later.

I_killed_Vivec

Anne_Firehawk wrote: »

lol who cares? there are way more important things to fix out there!

It is precisely because they should be concentrating on fixing things that makes it more of a worry that they are continually breaking things that used to work.

Now this might be just a cosmetic change, but it shows that somebody, for some reason, changed something that they shouldn't have.

Uncontrolled modifications are bad enough, to make matters worse the modifications made it through testing without being noticed...

At the risk of sounding like a Negative Nellie, it seems that almost every update brings some unintended consequences - sometimes quite major like the problem with the EU server that came with the last maintenance.

LadyLavina

how does that even..I can't even....how...like from a coding standpoint seriously how

I mean unless they've got something that does the capitalizing for them in which case I admire the laziness of the coders (i mean that in a good way). Hell I thought I was lazy

DaveMoeDee

LadyLavina wrote: »

how does that even..I can't even....how...like from a coding standpoint seriously how

It is pretty easy. I can think of many ways it can happen, depending upon backend design.

LadyLavina

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

LadyLavina wrote: »

how does that even..I can't even....how...like from a coding standpoint seriously how

It is pretty easy. I can think of many ways it can happen, depending upon backend design.

Backend is definitely not my strong point so I guess I see why that didn't come to mind xD

CalydorEstalon

Anne_Firehawk wrote: »

lol who cares? there are way more important things to fix out there!

Just remember that capitalization is the difference between helping your uncle Jack off a horse and helping your ... yeah, I don't want a suspension.

MusekininKanchou

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

LadyLavina wrote: »

how does that even..I can't even....how...like from a coding standpoint seriously how

It is pretty easy. I can think of many ways it can happen, depending upon backend design.

I'm as lazy as they get and it seems to me the lazy way is a field in the loot table with the exact name of the item as it should appear everywhere in the program. In the biz we call this field "Display Name". Way harder to build a subroutine to fix capitalization on the fly while taking in to account proper names of people and place etc. Might explain the lag in the interface though.

My guess is someone was doing some search and replace in the tables and didn't think to exclude the item display names whacking the uppercase on a bunch of stuff.

notimetocare

Magdalina wrote: »

Is there any testing done prior to applying these patches on live at all? I mean I understand it's not as easy as it seems, changes in code can have hard to foresee side effects to things totally unrelated on first sight and they cannot possibly test everything but really...it took exactly 3 minutes to discover - go out of the city, kill 1 mob, get "rubedite dagger of Frost". Do they not test AT ALL? Not even 5 minutes of gameplay to make sure game still works with whatever they change? Would at least remove glaring bugs like this.

Really, you think something like this is on the radar to watch out for when you have a patch that is adding in content? Really? A bug like this is irrelevant.

starkerealm

notimetocare wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Is there any testing done prior to applying these patches on live at all? I mean I understand it's not as easy as it seems, changes in code can have hard to foresee side effects to things totally unrelated on first sight and they cannot possibly test everything but really...it took exactly 3 minutes to discover - go out of the city, kill 1 mob, get "rubedite dagger of Frost". Do they not test AT ALL? Not even 5 minutes of gameplay to make sure game still works with whatever they change? Would at least remove glaring bugs like this.

Really, you think something like this is on the radar to watch out for when you have a patch that is adding in content? Really? A bug like this is irrelevant.

I'm not 100% certain, but I'm pretty sure this is what broke Potion Maker. So, if you're using that to help complete alchemy writs... this bug does affect you.

Also, if the conversation I ran across in zone was accurate, (and, yeah, "zone,") it's entirely possible this also breaks the alchemy master writs, because the potion names are getting scrambled.