Zenimax, what happened to connecting with your End Game?

DjMuscleboy02 · May 2017

Oompuh wrote: »

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

There is literally 2 guilds on Xbox NA that have proven themselves capable of putting up number one scores. With maybe 1-2 more right there as well. Speaking with quite of few of those players and a lot of them aren't even sure they'll continue to play after this patch. It's disheartening, honestly.

RIP Uprising Savages, Major Slayer, Beyond Paragon, and more I can't think of

Paradox was a thing for a few weeks but you can only run VSO so many times before half the guild quits the game. Paragon was dead last patch, can't credit Homestead for that

Reverb · May 2017

Players who care about the long-term health of ESO end game have outlasted our usefulness. Zeni has been candid about development effort targeting players who come for new content, and move on after a few weeks, not coming back until the next new content.

Anyone who doesn't fit this description is not the ESO target audience. Zeni hopes we stay and enjoy the game, but they're not going to develop (or even bug fix) with our satisfaction in mind.

Rickter · May 2017

you know what? im going to edit. i got nothing nice to say. listen - ESO is a great game. there are no alternatives. please take the time to adjust your priorities in game so that you dont become so salty you leave the game over 1 small aspect of it.

Mojmir · May 2017

Rickter wrote: »

go ahead and leave. Requiem will still be here. we will take the time to show you Trials mechanics (every tuesday at 8PM EST) and pvp basics.

I have plans on making 3-4 BG teams fashioned after esports teams, lots of good things planned. No one cares about the 1%. Ive watched the 1% consume people and make them quit the game. like my good man P***ra. Sank sooo much time into very elite communities, the very last night he logged on, he traveled to me (in game) while appearing offline and poured his heart out. disturbing to hear really. and very sad, told him if he had invested as much into Requiem, he'd be happier.

so yeah, whatevs. the strong adapt and survive. the whiny insignificant cry and whine and try to find a new game. well there aint none. camelot unchained? please. now im hearing Ashes of Creation. . . LOLOLOLOLOOLLLLLLLLL

when things get hard, you quit. peace out bros, will not miss.

this is pretty much how i perceive ESO development,then again i havent seen them try.

Nifty2g · May 2017

Rickter wrote: »

you know what? im going to edit. i got nothing nice to say. listen - ESO is a great game. there are no alternatives. please take the time to adjust your priorities in game so that you dont become so salty you leave the game over 1 small aspect of it.

@Rickter I guess you realized that your post was very contradicting?

Lucky28 · May 2017

Rickter wrote: »

you know what? im going to edit. i got nothing nice to say. listen - ESO is a great game. there are no alternatives. please take the time to adjust your priorities in game so that you dont become so salty you leave the game over 1 small aspect of it.

nah dude it's not one small aspect. it's just another group of people starting to see that this game is not going to improve. it happens every patch and every patch more players leave. this patch is just a more obvious "*** you" to the players.

DjMuscleboy02 · May 2017

Rickter wrote: »

you know what? im going to edit. i got nothing nice to say. listen - ESO is a great game. there are no alternatives. please take the time to adjust your priorities in game so that you dont become so salty you leave the game over 1 small aspect of it.

There's players who only play this game " for one small aspect of it." Maybe they wouldn't if other aspects of the game weren't just as bad.

Rickter · May 2017

youre talking about primarily endgame Raiding/HM vet dungeons.

I agree with the majority feedback that the sustain is going to hurt the casual players more than they will hurt the 1%. But the great thing about the casual player is that they dont care.

These changes will
not affect trade guild economy,
it will be better for pvp,
not affect the leveling/questing experience,
not affect most of the dungeons and vet dungeons in the game, the delves, the dolmens, the skyshard hunting, the RPing, etc etc etc

almost every aspect of the game will not be negatively impacted by these changes except for the one we all know you focus on the most. Im sorry man. Good luck in Camelot Unchained or Ashes of Creation, or whatever else you want to put your hopes and dreams into.

Myself and Requiem will continue to show Trials mechanics to newcomers (every tuesday night 8PM EST) take newcomers through BGs, and show PvP basics all while maintaining fun events like skyshard hunting and group content.

sounds soooo casual right? well maybe thats your problem.

Ballzy321 · May 2017

Mol on Xbox is still broken

Rickter · May 2017

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DjMuscleboy02 · May 2017

Rickter wrote: »

all while maintaining fun events like skyshard hunting

Bruh

Rickter · May 2017

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

all while maintaining fun events like skyshard hunting

Bruh

what? seriously? get a group together and try it. especially in cyrodiil. this is top 3 requests for group activity in my guild.

again: if this sounds sooooooo boring and casual to you, then maybe thats the problem.

Invest your time more than with just one thing - if you dont want to then idk what to tell you. thats very narrow and very limiting of your time and money.

DjMuscleboy02 · May 2017

Rickter wrote: »

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

all while maintaining fun events like skyshard hunting

Bruh

what? seriously? get a group together and try it. especially in cyrodiil. this is top 3 requests for group activity in my guild.

again: if this sounds sooooooo boring and casual to you, then maybe thats the problem.

Invest your time more than with just one thing - if you dont want to then idk what to tell you. thats very narrow and very limiting of your time and money.

What do you mean "then maybe that's the problem"? That this game is so *** easy or broken that nothing other than end game group content is fun? That you can't take three steps into the first boss of the prime gem of trials without half the group dcing? That you can barely play in pvp for more than 20 minutes before having to reload the game? That you can walk past quest bosses and let your monster set proc and they die? That I've run vma hundreds of times with next to nothing to show for it? That all my friends are quitting for these reason?

Did I come close to your definition of a problem?

Nifty2g · May 2017

Rickter wrote: »

youre talking about primarily endgame Raiding/HM vet dungeons.

I agree with the majority feedback that the sustain is going to hurt the casual players more than they will hurt the 1%. But the great thing about the casual player is that they dont care.

These changes will
not affect trade guild economy,
it will be better for pvp,
not affect the leveling/questing experience,
not affect most of the dungeons and vet dungeons in the game, the delves, the dolmens, the skyshard hunting, the RPing, etc etc etc

almost every aspect of the game will not be negatively impacted by these changes except for the one we all know you focus on the most. Im sorry man. Good luck in Camelot Unchained or Ashes of Creation, or whatever else you want to put your hopes and dreams into.

Myself and Requiem will continue to show Trials mechanics to newcomers (every tuesday night 8PM EST) take newcomers through BGs, and show PvP basics all while maintaining fun events like skyshard hunting and group content.

sounds soooo casual right? well maybe thats your problem.

You should reread the post on front page and most of the other posts in here, it's not about sustain changes in general, I don't care about that, it's easily fixed by adjusting a playstyle. Sure it sucks but that's not what this is about, stop trying to connect the two.

Lucky28 · May 2017

Rickter wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

you know what? im going to edit. i got nothing nice to say. listen - ESO is a great game. there are no alternatives. please take the time to adjust your priorities in game so that you dont become so salty you leave the game over 1 small aspect of it.

nah dude it's not one small aspect. it's just another group of people starting to see that this game is not going to improve. it happens every patch and every patch more players leave. this patch is just a more obvious "*** you" to the players.

youre talking about primarily endgame Raiding/HM vet dungeons.

I agree with the majority feedback that the sustain is going to hurt the casual players more than they will hurt the 1%. But the great thing about the casual player is that they dont care.

These changes will
not affect trade guild economy,
it will be better for pvp,
not affect the leveling/questing experience,
not affect most of the dungeons and vet dungeons in the game, the delves, the dolmens, the skyshard hunting, the RPing, etc etc etc

almost every aspect of the game will not be negatively impacted by these changes except for the one we all know you focus on the most. Im sorry man. Good luck in Camelot Unchained or Ashes of Creation, or whatever else you want to put your hopes and dreams into.

Myself and Requiem will continue to show Trials mechanics to newcomers (every tuesday night 8PM EST) take newcomers through BGs, and show PvP basics all while maintaining fun events like skyshard hunting and group content.

sounds soooo casual right? well maybe thats your problem.

the problems with this patch extends well beyond resource management. granted the resource management changes are not going to improve any aspect of eso least of all PvP (i'm only talking about Cyrodiil, i don't care about BG's in the least) Cyrodiil is just going to become more zergy and further limit what you can do solo, there is a difference between open world pvp and BG's, i don't even wanna hear it.

the real area where "infinite resources" was an issue was sorcs shield stacking and perma blocking a different approach could have been used to fix both of these issues. increasing the cost of block and giving no damage options for sword and board. major/minor system on wards etc.

the resource management changes make for very boring gameplay in Morrowind. it is not complex, it is not strategic it is just repetitive.

then there is the fact that all classes are essentially becoming the same.... really just bad changes all around that take a lot away from engaging gameplay

me_ming · May 2017

Lucky28 wrote: »

@usmcjdking thing with that is new players coming in, new elites, new content creators etc is not a guarantee and honestly i really doubt it's gonna happen with ESO. ESO does not have the appeal to afford losing it's elite playerbase. if they do, i doubt they'll recover.

^^ This is also what scares me. I honestly doubt that if most of these theory crafters and "elite" good would be gone that there would be any one to replace the caliber they have brought to the table so far. Don't get me wrong, I don't follow or even agree to them on some things, but you have to respect the amount and quality of understanding they have on this game when it comes to how they understand balance, rotation, class, race, gear, etc. I mean take Gilliam's analysis of next patch's changes, his video was very detailed and well presented. It just makes sense (more than the patch notes themselves). imho, the Morrowind patch will be something to watch out, because if those changes go live... Well, it would be a shame if this game would be short lived.

DaveMoeDee · May 2017

While I feel bad for "end game" players, I am happy if they don't focus on end game. Just keep giving me more content.

Rickter · May 2017

like i said, ive got nothing really nice to say. Just know, when you are long gone, those who invested, really invested more into this game than one thing will thrive. ESO is the most popular MMO on the market right now. MMOs in general arent very popular as a whole, but ESO is in the top 3 for sure. ZOS has made immense strides in the right direction numerous times. One Tamriel was a godsend. BGs are widely requested and being delivered despite my personal opinion on how they will be received. Morrowind and all its offerings is a HUGE delivery to the Elder Scrolls enthusiast.

Those in my social circle have been away hard farming for current sets that will help them adjust to the new patch. everyone is enthusiastic and confident and looking forward to the next big update. the only ones up in arms are the raiders.

the resistance to change is astounding. embrace it. or move on. Ive played 18 mmorpgs in my life. its exhausting starting a new game. learning new mechanics, lore, nick nacks. I told myself ESO would be the last mmo i ever played and when you find yourself absolutely all in, you can look at these changes with confidence and acceptance.

If all you do is VMA and raid, then yeah, i can see why this patch scares you. But for the rest of us, we will continue to thrive is a truly amazing mmo.

Nifty2g · May 2017

Rickter wrote: »

like i said, ive got nothing really nice to say. Just know, when you are long gone, those who invested, really invested more into this game than one thing will thrive. ESO is the most popular MMO on the market right now. MMOs in general arent very popular as a whole, but ESO is in the top 3 for sure. ZOS has made immense strides in the right direction numerous times. One Tamriel was a godsend. BGs are widely requested and being delivered despite my personal opinion on how they will be received. Morrowind and all its offerings is a HUGE delivery to the Elder Scrolls enthusiast.

Those in my social circle have been away hard farming for current sets that will help them adjust to the new patch. everyone is enthusiastic and confident and looking forward to the next big update. the only ones up in arms are the raiders.

the resistance to change is astounding. embrace it. or move on. Ive played 18 mmorpgs in my life. its exhausting starting a new game. learning new mechanics, lore, nick nacks. I told myself ESO would be the last mmo i ever played and when you find yourself absolutely all in, you can look at these changes with confidence and acceptance.

If all you do is VMA and raid, then yeah, i can see why this patch scares you. But for the rest of us, we will continue to thrive is a truly amazing mmo.

Barely any people in here are talking about quitting or moving to a new game, get over yourself. Look at what the discussion is actually about.

WhiteMage · May 2017

Rickter wrote: »

Good luck in Camelot Unchained or Ashes of Creation, or whatever else you want to put your hopes and dreams into.

Problem is all the games to watch are still in development lol. I don't see CU releasing until after I graduate in two years (and tbh I would be perfectly fine with that. I need to focus on my studies), but I am totally behind that game. I would caution people to do their research about Ashes (AoC is already taken, too bad for them), investigating the dev team before you get too hyped up. The main guy has a history with MLMs (to explain the referral system) and very few on his team are actually programmers. Mostly artists. Artists don't make a game.

Anyway, ESO is all that many of us have at the moment. It's no longer shiny and new and some parts of if have started to smell (RNG, crown crates, etc.) but I'm not driven away just yet!

me_ming · May 2017

Rickter wrote: »

like i said, ive got nothing really nice to say. Just know, when you are long gone, those who invested, really invested more into this game than one thing will thrive. ESO is the most popular MMO on the market right now. MMOs in general arent very popular as a whole, but ESO is in the top 3 for sure. ZOS has made immense strides in the right direction numerous times. One Tamriel was a godsend. BGs are widely requested and being delivered despite my personal opinion on how they will be received. Morrowind and all its offerings is a HUGE delivery to the Elder Scrolls enthusiast.

Those in my social circle have been away hard farming for current sets that will help them adjust to the new patch. everyone is enthusiastic and confident and looking forward to the next big update. the only ones up in arms are the raiders.

the resistance to change is astounding. embrace it. or move on. Ive played 18 mmorpgs in my life. its exhausting starting a new game. learning new mechanics, lore, nick nacks. I told myself ESO would be the last mmo i ever played and when you find yourself absolutely all in, you can look at these changes with confidence and acceptance.

If all you do is VMA and raid, then yeah, i can see why this patch scares you. But for the rest of us, we will continue to thrive is a truly amazing mmo.

For someone who is a GM, you certainly are someone rude and condescending. Thank goodness none of my GMs share your attitude, I would leave the guild in a heartbeat. Thank you for posting your guild name, I will surely note that to avoid joining such a rude GM.

Rickter · May 2017

me_ming wrote: »

For someone who is a GM, you certainly are someone rude and condescending. Thank goodness none of my GMs share your attitude, I would leave the guild in a heartbeat. Thank you for posting your guild name, I will surely note that to avoid joining such a rude GM.

GM or not, im just a guy and im entitled to my opinion. I tried the Politically Correct thing. Didnt do me any good. because people cant control their emotions. look at your seething post here. you really set the example for me didnt you?

what exactly about my post was condescending? i had a difference of opinion, so what? I said that the people complaining are the raiders, so what? sorry if calling it like it is upsets you.

Nifty2g wrote: »

Barely any people in here are talking about quitting or moving to a new game, get over yourself. Look at what the discussion is actually about.

^ THATS condescending. but you know, he'll get a pass because you share the same opinion.

idk · May 2017

Rickter wrote: »

the only truth ive seen in this entire thread is all of @usmcjdking 's posts. well done sir.

@Rickter

The best that can be said is you ageee with @usmcjdking opinion as that's all he has offered and really all anyone has placed in this thread. More so, all he has said is other games has survived major changes which is not really saying much.

To his point, survival is an extremely low objective to be considered worthy.

Further, to just merely accept it and adjust as you seem to suggest in another post (within this thread) when Zos has specifically asked for our feedback Is the most off base comment made in this thread.

Nifty2g · May 2017

Rickter wrote: »

me_ming wrote: »

For someone who is a GM, you certainly are someone rude and condescending. Thank goodness none of my GMs share your attitude, I would leave the guild in a heartbeat. Thank you for posting your guild name, I will surely note that to avoid joining such a rude GM.

GM or not, im jsut a guy and im entitled to my opinion.
what exactly about my post was condescending? i had a difference of opinion, so what? I said that the people complaining are the raiders, so what? sorry if calling it like it is upsets you.

Nifty2g wrote: »

Barely any people in here are talking about quitting or moving to a new game, get over yourself. Look at what the discussion is actually about.

^ THATS condescending. but you know, he'll get a pass because you share the same opinion.

Condescending would be me telling you in a very egotistical that your opinion doesn't matter because I'm "elitist" it wouldn't be me telling you that you're putting your opinion and attacking people in the wrong thread because all/most of the posts in here are not about 1 change of the patch, it's about the direction the game has turned, plus my original post doesn't even mention sustain changes or mentions me quitting or anyone else quitting, I'm posting a genuine concern on the game's direction by molding multiple playstyles together which Zenimax have been trying to do since One Tamriel, in which hurts the end game + the elites a lot, and does the opposite of creating diversity between playstyles which was said within the first minute of the recent ESO Live that "Diversity is a key factor this patch"

DaveMoeDee · May 2017

WhiteMage wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Good luck in Camelot Unchained or Ashes of Creation, or whatever else you want to put your hopes and dreams into.

Problem is all the games to watch are still in development lol. I don't see CU releasing until after I graduate in two years (and tbh I would be perfectly fine with that. I need to focus on my studies), but I am totally behind that game. I would caution people to do their research about Ashes (AoC is already taken, too bad for them), investigating the dev team before you get too hyped up. The main guy has a history with MLMs (to explain the referral system) and very few on his team are actually programmers. Mostly artists. Artists don't make a game.

Anyway, ESO is all that many of us have at the moment. It's no longer shiny and new and some parts of if have started to smell (RNG, crown crates, etc.) but I'm not driven away just yet!

I read a reddit post about the team for Ashes and the person who wrote the post didn't know what he was talking about. He pulled outdated info from linkedin. People have confirmed on better sources that the team has legit experience.

I don't know about you guys, but my linkedin profile is really outdated.

Not that I have any interest in Ashes of Creation.

Rickter · May 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

the only truth ive seen in this entire thread is all of @usmcjdking 's posts. well done sir.

@Rickter

The best that can be said is you ageee with @usmcjdking opinion as that's all he has offered and really all anyone has placed in this thread. More so, all he has said is other games has survived major changes which is not really saying much.

To his point, survival is an extremely low objective to be considered worthy

survival is an achievement. the MMORPG genre as a whole is a dog eat dog ruthless environment where investors and bottom line govern content development. ESO is very enjoyable and will continue to be very enjoyable for a long time. They have a passionate team that makes decisions about the game based off of factors not made known to the average player.

This entire thread is a thinly veiled agree farm doomsday post. there are some class changes. so what? they can be changed within 3 patches. all this game has taught anyone is change change change.

The perception of what will be fun is subjective to what your interest is in the game. look at what these changes affects the most - RAIDING and then look at the people complaining. @Nifty2g @Gilliamtherogue etc - now lets look at the common denominator

does it make sense now? lemme spell it out: the 1% is scared that the meta they invested so much in is getting turned upside down and they have to go through all that work to get back to where they were again.

complete and utter disregard for everyone else, what they think and how it affects anything else. These changes were big in a positive way for pvp. but most of the people in this thread dont care about pvp.

Im getting crucified because i have the balls to speak out to these manipulative individuals that have had a choke hold on end game content since launch.

usmcjdking · May 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

the only truth ive seen in this entire thread is all of @usmcjdking 's posts. well done sir.

@Rickter

The best that can be said is you ageee with @usmcjdking opinion as that's all he has offered and really all anyone has placed in this thread. More so, all he has said is other games has survived major changes which is not really saying much.

To his point, survival is an extremely low objective to be considered worthy.

Further, to just merely accept it and adjust as you seem to suggest in another post (within this thread) when Zos has specifically asked for our feedback Is the most off base comment made in this thread.

All you've stated is a bunch of stuff that has historicaly and demonstratably either a) never happened or b) never mattered. You've provided nothing that suggests that this time things will be different other than it will be different because of a few players gracing the game and the community with their presence.

The difference this time being it's you, and not me; so clearly we are doomed.

Elsterchen · May 2017

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

While I feel bad for "end game" players, I am happy if they don't focus on end game. Just keep giving me more content.

Well, the content was sheduled anyways. As I see it the content is the only part of ESO that doesn't contribute to any of the nerfs... its still way to easy to be affected by the changes.
...

and about a 3/4 year of no content (yeah homestead got furnishing - well that IS cosmetic, its fun and such, but lets be honest, its cosmetic and not CONTENT) actually hints that content is not ZENIs primary focus anymore. It has been, and content had great quality too ... but imho I feel content got nerfed too, rather then "focussed on".

Alcast · May 2017

Rickter wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

the only truth ive seen in this entire thread is all of @usmcjdking 's posts. well done sir.

@Rickter

The best that can be said is you ageee with @usmcjdking opinion as that's all he has offered and really all anyone has placed in this thread. More so, all he has said is other games has survived major changes which is not really saying much.

To his point, survival is an extremely low objective to be considered worthy

survival is an achievement. the MMORPG genre as a whole is a dog eat dog ruthless environment where investors and bottom line govern content development. ESO is very enjoyable and will continue to be very enjoyable for a long time. They have a passionate team that makes decisions about the game based off of factors not made known to the average player.

This entire thread is a thinly veiled agree farm doomsday post. there are some class changes. so what? they can be changed within 3 patches. all this game has taught anyone is change change change.

The perception of what will be fun is subjective to what your interest is in the game. look at what these changes affects the most - RAIDING and then look at the people complaining. @Nifty2g @Gilliamtherogue @Alcast etc - now lets look at the common denominator

does it make sense now? lemme spell it out: the 1% is scared that the meta they invested so much in is getting turned upside down and they have to go through all that work to get back to where they were again.

complete and utter disregard for everyone else, what they think and how it affects anything else. These changes were big in a positive way for pvp. but most of the people in this thread dont care about pvp.

Im getting crucified because i have the balls to speak out to these manipulative individuals that have had a choke hold on end game content since launch.

I am very happy with Morrowind. The only thing that bugs me is that Magicka sorc is way stronger than any other setup.
Edit: almost forgot, buff magicka warden

idk · May 2017

@Rickter @usmcjdking

Let's ask this. We will out said mere survival mumbo jumbo. Oh, and King, you have not exactly stated anything yourself. Just very generalized statements and some vague notion of survival so please. Thx.

Rickter wrote: »

you know what? im going to edit. i got nothing nice to say. listen - ESO is a great game. there are no alternatives. please take the time to adjust your priorities in game so that you dont become so salty you leave the game over 1 small aspect of it.

We will also put aside the point to just roll over and take it instead of providing our oppinikns to Zos as Nifty has done in a well worded post (and Zos has asked him to do so).

This is the real question. How much time have the two of you spent in dungeons or trials on the pts during the past few weeks?

Thx. Enjoy the game.