Zenimax, what happened to connecting with your End Game?

Nifty2g

Rickter wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

the only truth ive seen in this entire thread is all of @usmcjdking 's posts. well done sir.

@Rickter

The best that can be said is you ageee with @usmcjdking opinion as that's all he has offered and really all anyone has placed in this thread. More so, all he has said is other games has survived major changes which is not really saying much.

To his point, survival is an extremely low objective to be considered worthy

survival is an achievement. the MMORPG genre as a whole is a dog eat dog ruthless environment where investors and bottom line govern content development. ESO is very enjoyable and will continue to be very enjoyable for a long time. They have a passionate team that makes decisions about the game based off of factors not made known to the average player.

This entire thread is a thinly veiled agree farm doomsday post. there are some class changes. so what? they can be changed within 3 patches. all this game has taught anyone is change change change.

The perception of what will be fun is subjective to what your interest is in the game. look at what these changes affects the most - RAIDING and then look at the people complaining. @Nifty2g @Gilliamtherogue @Alcast etc - now lets look at the common denominator

does it make sense now? lemme spell it out: the 1% is scared that the meta they invested so much in is getting turned upside down and they have to go through all that work to get back to where they were again.

complete and utter disregard for everyone else, what they think and how it affects anything else. These changes were big in a positive way for pvp. but most of the people in this thread dont care about pvp.

Im getting crucified because i have the balls to speak out to these manipulative individuals that have had a choke hold on end game content since launch.

I'm voicing my opinion, not gills or alcasts or deltias or even fengrush for that matter. As Alcast just posted above, he's fine with the patch. I am too, it's pretty good a lot of nerfs are justified most builds can be changed with adjusting setups pretty easily, that's not what I'm angry about.

Do you even watch their content to understand why those guys are giving feedback about or do you just link it all together and call everyone elitist and the top 1% that they are "scared" a meta will change - the meta changes every update ever since raids came out, I just posted in the original post that I've played through all the meta changes and I'll probably play through this one too. How are we scared? I've been raiding with gill since 2014.

Gilliamtherogue

Rickter wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

the only truth ive seen in this entire thread is all of @usmcjdking 's posts. well done sir.

@Rickter

The best that can be said is you ageee with @usmcjdking opinion as that's all he has offered and really all anyone has placed in this thread. More so, all he has said is other games has survived major changes which is not really saying much.

To his point, survival is an extremely low objective to be considered worthy

survival is an achievement. the MMORPG genre as a whole is a dog eat dog ruthless environment where investors and bottom line govern content development. ESO is very enjoyable and will continue to be very enjoyable for a long time. They have a passionate team that makes decisions about the game based off of factors not made known to the average player.

This entire thread is a thinly veiled agree farm doomsday post. there are some class changes. so what? they can be changed within 3 patches. all this game has taught anyone is change change change.

The perception of what will be fun is subjective to what your interest is in the game. look at what these changes affects the most - RAIDING and then look at the people complaining. @Nifty2g @Gilliamtherogue @Alcast etc - now lets look at the common denominator

does it make sense now? lemme spell it out: the 1% is scared that the meta they invested so much in is getting turned upside down and they have to go through all that work to get back to where they were again.

complete and utter disregard for everyone else, what they think and how it affects anything else. These changes were big in a positive way for pvp. but most of the people in this thread dont care about pvp.

Im getting crucified because i have the balls to speak out to these manipulative individuals that have had a choke hold on end game content since launch.

The only thing I'm afraid of is not having fun anymore because I have to tape my left key down and that every build plays the same god damned way. The top 1% is never threatened about losing "their" meta. We'll just make the new one. Many of us also want the game to be better for everyone, it's regularly a large part of our discussion in how to make ESO better.

Your perception is that you hate the 1% because you aren't apart of it, and relish the idea of people in it being dissatisfied with the game. Well open your narrowed eyes, because PLENTY of new players, solo players, PvPers, and average joes are just as upset as we are.

Shad0wfire99

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

the only truth ive seen in this entire thread is all of @usmcjdking 's posts. well done sir.

@Rickter

The best that can be said is you ageee with @usmcjdking opinion as that's all he has offered and really all anyone has placed in this thread. More so, all he has said is other games has survived major changes which is not really saying much.

To his point, survival is an extremely low objective to be considered worthy

survival is an achievement. the MMORPG genre as a whole is a dog eat dog ruthless environment where investors and bottom line govern content development. ESO is very enjoyable and will continue to be very enjoyable for a long time. They have a passionate team that makes decisions about the game based off of factors not made known to the average player.

This entire thread is a thinly veiled agree farm doomsday post. there are some class changes. so what? they can be changed within 3 patches. all this game has taught anyone is change change change.

The perception of what will be fun is subjective to what your interest is in the game. look at what these changes affects the most - RAIDING and then look at the people complaining. @Nifty2g @Gilliamtherogue @Alcast etc - now lets look at the common denominator

does it make sense now? lemme spell it out: the 1% is scared that the meta they invested so much in is getting turned upside down and they have to go through all that work to get back to where they were again.

complete and utter disregard for everyone else, what they think and how it affects anything else. These changes were big in a positive way for pvp. but most of the people in this thread dont care about pvp.

Im getting crucified because i have the balls to speak out to these manipulative individuals that have had a choke hold on end game content since launch.

The only thing I'm afraid of is not having fun anymore because I have to tape my left key down and that every build plays the same god damned way. The top 1% is never threatened about losing "their" meta. We'll just make the new one. Many of us also want the game to be better for everyone, it's regularly a large part of our discussion in how to make ESO better.

Your perception is that you hate the 1% because you aren't apart of it, and relish the idea of people in it being dissatisfied with the game. Well open your narrowed eyes, because PLENTY of new players, solo players, PvPers, and average joes are just as upset as we are.

Bingo

Nifty2g

You know I also linked like 10 videos to show that the meta changes and players adapt to it over the years, I'm not sure how we are scared or anything, we'll all probably continue to play. It's just the direction the game is going

spoiler @alcast is healing in one of those videos, should show you how much the meta changes with that

DjMuscleboy02

Alcast wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

the only truth ive seen in this entire thread is all of @usmcjdking 's posts. well done sir.

@Rickter

The best that can be said is you ageee with @usmcjdking opinion as that's all he has offered and really all anyone has placed in this thread. More so, all he has said is other games has survived major changes which is not really saying much.

To his point, survival is an extremely low objective to be considered worthy

survival is an achievement. the MMORPG genre as a whole is a dog eat dog ruthless environment where investors and bottom line govern content development. ESO is very enjoyable and will continue to be very enjoyable for a long time. They have a passionate team that makes decisions about the game based off of factors not made known to the average player.

This entire thread is a thinly veiled agree farm doomsday post. there are some class changes. so what? they can be changed within 3 patches. all this game has taught anyone is change change change.

The perception of what will be fun is subjective to what your interest is in the game. look at what these changes affects the most - RAIDING and then look at the people complaining. @Nifty2g @Gilliamtherogue @Alcast etc - now lets look at the common denominator

does it make sense now? lemme spell it out: the 1% is scared that the meta they invested so much in is getting turned upside down and they have to go through all that work to get back to where they were again.

complete and utter disregard for everyone else, what they think and how it affects anything else. These changes were big in a positive way for pvp. but most of the people in this thread dont care about pvp.

Im getting crucified because i have the balls to speak out to these manipulative individuals that have had a choke hold on end game content since launch.

I am very happy with Morrowind. The only thing that bugs me is that Magicka sorc is way stronger than any other setup.
Edit: almost forgot, buff magicka warden

This. And I pray that trials are fixed on console. Morrowind itself looks fantastic, save that I am not a fan of the heavy attacking but we'll see. I haven't been able to play PTS so I can't speak from anything other than what I imagine it's like/heavy attacking on live. My problems with this game mainly stem from broken, unplayable content on my doodoo platform.

wisej12

What do you mean they're making everything easier? Everything will be more difficult with the changes to resource sustain, raising the skill ceiling

Function

Rickter wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

the only truth ive seen in this entire thread is all of @usmcjdking 's posts. well done sir.

@Rickter

The best that can be said is you ageee with @usmcjdking opinion as that's all he has offered and really all anyone has placed in this thread. More so, all he has said is other games has survived major changes which is not really saying much.

To his point, survival is an extremely low objective to be considered worthy

survival is an achievement. the MMORPG genre as a whole is a dog eat dog ruthless environment where investors and bottom line govern content development. ESO is very enjoyable and will continue to be very enjoyable for a long time. They have a passionate team that makes decisions about the game based off of factors not made known to the average player.

This entire thread is a thinly veiled agree farm doomsday post. there are some class changes. so what? they can be changed within 3 patches. all this game has taught anyone is change change change.

The perception of what will be fun is subjective to what your interest is in the game. look at what these changes affects the most - RAIDING and then look at the people complaining. @Nifty2g @Gilliamtherogue @Alcast etc - now lets look at the common denominator

does it make sense now? lemme spell it out: the 1% is scared that the meta they invested so much in is getting turned upside down and they have to go through all that work to get back to where they were again.

complete and utter disregard for everyone else, what they think and how it affects anything else. These changes were big in a positive way for pvp. but most of the people in this thread dont care about pvp.

Im getting crucified because i have the balls to speak out to these manipulative individuals that have had a choke hold on end game content since launch.

I have read through this thread and I am astounded at how toxic you are.. the only thing you convey is your pure hatred for "the 1%" while you completely disregard what this thread is even about.

usmcjdking

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Rickter @usmcjdking

Let's ask this. We will out said mere survival mumbo jumbo. Oh, and King, you have not exactly stated anything yourself. Just very generalized statements and some vague notion of survival so please. Thx.

Rickter wrote: »

you know what? im going to edit. i got nothing nice to say. listen - ESO is a great game. there are no alternatives. please take the time to adjust your priorities in game so that you dont become so salty you leave the game over 1 small aspect of it.

We will also put aside the point to just roll over and take it instead of providing our oppinikns to Zos as Nifty has done in a well worded post (and Zos has asked him to do so).

This is the real question. How much time have the two of you spent in dungeons or trials on the pts during the past few weeks?

Thx. Enjoy the game.

What are you complaining to me for? Why do you keep directing posts at me? I'm not here to argue with you or discuss anything with you. I've laid our what I've observed over the last generation and if you don't like it, I really don't care.

You're welcome to prove me wrong, but it doesn't come at my expense at all.

Inig0

usmcjdking wrote: »

Inig0 wrote: »

This is a sentiment that im worries not enough people are feeling out of pure ignorance.

This is not true. I'd venture to state it's actually the exact opposite.

ESO, like every other MMO, will constantly try to flush it's elites out. That is the primary purpose of instituting changes to this degree. This isn't done out of spite or malice, it's done because it needs to happen. Your seat at the table is a finite space - the information and feedback your provide is linear. A company and developers cannot have customers have a monopoly at the speaking table. The longer you hang onto it, the worse it wracks your mind until you eventually quit; check on the forums 6 months later and notice all new elite names and faces and the game still chugging on making a killing.

This happened with EQ.
This happened MULTIPLE times with WOW.
This happened with City of Heroes (although nowhere near as pronounced, best MMO to date).
This happened with LOTRO.
This happened with Neverwinter.
And now it's happening with ESO.

All you need to do is look at gaming communities that have been together 20+ years. Most of the elites would call them bad or whatever, but people are quick to forget often times these communities were in your exact same position 5-10-15 years ago. Do you see their outrage? No lol, because they know the business.

ESO and community lose nothing by losing the top players - it simply replaces them. It's a rough pill to swallow due to pride but that's how it works.

I just saw that you even commented on my post. @usmcjdking

You missed it man. You entirely missed the point. You even only snipped part of what i said. Instead you went off ranting about other games and how you think theres some table somewhere where i sit. Hint: there isnt and i dont. If you for a second think that people like myself or nifty think that our opinion will change ZOS's mind on the direction they want to take the game. Then youre as insane as you are off topic.

Also this needs to happen?? I dont know if youve ever played a balanced game because it doesnt sound like you have with how many failed games you keep listing. Balancing a game isnt done by changing the entire game every six months. ZOS doesnt know how to balance a game and it sucks that they are taking the game into this direction. Period. There is no lobbing the heads off the elite there is no tables to sit at with zos there is no other mmos history theres literally just that. Games bad dude. They had a chance to make it good but instead they changed a lot of its mechanics instead of working on the current ones.

If you dont feel like ZOS is taking the game into a direction that they didnt need to then you are just ignorant. Every game doesnt need to follow your past history in mmo gaming. The point is that the changes they made are to follow a direction that they want to follow and the current community (you know the one they claim is their key to success on multiple occasions) doesnt agree with. And the sentiment is just that. Games bad. (This goes out to my boy shelgon)

ArcVelarian

Perhaps instead of either vertical or horizontal progression, they should try to strike a balance. If end-game content becomes far too easy to complete, then the game just devolves into you vs. the RNG boss. Populate the game with mechanics heavy content that requires skill and coordination as a means of keeping things accessible but still difficult. Even overland content needs to make this shift.

As well it wouldn't hurt to add MORE trials and dungeons.

ComboBreaker88

WhiteMage wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Good luck in Camelot Unchained or Ashes of Creation, or whatever else you want to put your hopes and dreams into.

Problem is all the games to watch are still in development lol. I don't see CU releasing until after I graduate in two years (and tbh I would be perfectly fine with that. I need to focus on my studies), but I am totally behind that game. I would caution people to do their research about Ashes (AoC is already taken, too bad for them), investigating the dev team before you get too hyped up. The main guy has a history with MLMs (to explain the referral system) and very few on his team are actually programmers. Mostly artists. Artists don't make a game.

Anyway, ESO is all that many of us have at the moment. It's no longer shiny and new and some parts of if have started to smell (RNG, crown crates, etc.) but I'm not driven away just yet!

You should check out Dark and Light.

Rickter

I see me having a difference in opinion from the OP and everyone sharing the OP's opinion ganging up and dismissing my opinions simply because they are different. Dismissal - its the elitist way.

And Gilliam - you straight up made an attack with this statement:

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Your perception is that you hate the 1% because you aren't apart of it, and relish the idea of people in it being dissatisfied with the game. Well open your narrowed eyes, because PLENTY of new players, solo players, PvPers, and average joes are just as upset as we are.

How many "new players, solo players, PvPers, and average joes " do you actually know? Like who are you trying to fool?

Dont presume to tell me what my perception is. and dont assume that i want to be a part of the "1%" - please. I have purposely avoided such communities to focus on my guild. I was in Genesis Elite when you first split from Hostile Gaming. Razgriz asked me to main tank for GE and i declined because I had just taken on Requiem. Krystallina was there in the Raidcall when we talked about it and THATS how Olok got the MT role - So you dont even know a damn thing. Ive actually run VDSA twice on separate days with Nifty and let me tell you - his attitude is he doesnt care about people he doesnt know. I was a fill in tank and a tool to perform a function. I came to help a friend and what i found was an elitist prick that didnt have the patience for anyone but what he wanted.

Oh but nifty is a champion of the people right?

gg.

I dont hate the 1% - you have provided great content for the community - Danzy taught me everything i know about Mag DK tanking. literally took me out to craglorn and showed me how to git gud. Im eternally grateful and appreciative. Blizaria filled in to help Requiem more than a few times.

straight up: ZOS made decisions on the direction of the game for their reasons. Reasons which are not immediately known to anyone. They even said to trust them in the last ESO Live.

I believe ZOS has continuously produced content and direction for this game that has benefited its player base because they take into consideration everything and not just 1 or 2 or even three aspects of the game.

I TRUST ZOS has the tools available such as hard data to back up the motivations for the direction they are taking the game and I will continue to do my part in fostering a community. I just wish ZOS was more communicative as to what those motivations are.

Nifty2g

Rickter wrote: »

I see me having a difference in opinion from the OP and everyone sharing the OP's opinion ganging up and dismissing my opinions simply because they are different. Dismissal - its the elitist way.

And Gilliam - you straight up made an attack with this statement:

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Your perception is that you hate the 1% because you aren't apart of it, and relish the idea of people in it being dissatisfied with the game. Well open your narrowed eyes, because PLENTY of new players, solo players, PvPers, and average joes are just as upset as we are.

How many "new players, solo players, PvPers, and average joes " do you actually know? Like who are you trying to fool?

Dont presume to tell me what my perception is. and dont assume that i want to be a part of the "1%" - please. I have purposely avoided such communities to focus on my guild. I was in Genesis Elite when you first split from Hostile Gaming. Razgriz asked me to main tank for GE and i declined because I had just taken on Requiem. Krystallina was there in the Raidcall when we talked about it and THATS how Olok got the MT role - So you dont even know a damn thing. Ive actually run VDSA twice on separate days with Nifty and let me tell you - his attitude is he doesnt care about people he doesnt know. I was a fill in tank and a tool to perform a function. I came to help a friend and what i found was an elitist prick that didnt have the patience for anyone but what he wanted.

Oh but nifty is a champion of the people right?

gg.

I dont hate the 1% - you have provided great content for the community - Danzy taught me everything i know about Mag DK tanking. literally took me out to craglorn and showed me how to git gud. Im eternally grateful and appreciative.

straight up: ZOS made decisions on the direction of the game for their reasons. Reasons which are not immediately known to anyone. They even said to trust them in the last ESO Live.

I believe ZOS has continuously produced content and direction for this game that has benefited its player base because they take into consideration everything and not just 1 or 2 or even three aspects of the game.

I TRUST ZOS has the tools available such as hard data to back up the motivations for the direction they are taking the game and I will continue to do my part in fostering a community. I just wish ZOS was more communicative as to what those motivations are.

Actually, nevermind. Go ahead, I want my thread to stay open.

DisgracefulMind

Rickter wrote: »

Ive actually run VDSA twice on separate days with Nifty and let me tell you - his attitude is he doesnt care about people he doesnt know. I was a fill in tank and a tool to perform a function. I came to help a friend and what i found was an elitist prick that didnt have the patience for anyone but what he wanted.

Oh but nifty is a champion of the people right?

You know what, you're not worth any of my time. I'll just edit what I said out. You've derailed this thread far too much as is.

But what I won't edit out: Don't speak of someone you don't know well in such an ill-manner on a public forum. Have you no decent respect for people?

Rickter

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Ive actually run VDSA twice on separate days with Nifty and let me tell you - his attitude is he doesnt care about people he doesnt know. I was a fill in tank and a tool to perform a function. I came to help a friend and what i found was an elitist prick that didnt have the patience for anyone but what he wanted.

Oh but nifty is a champion of the people right?

You know what, you're not worth any of my time. I'll just edit what I said out. You've derailed this thread far too much as is.

But what I won't edit out: Don't speak of someone you don't know well in such an ill-manner on a public forum. Have you no decent respect for people?

Im going to call it like i see it. The funny thing is i based that opinion after time spent in game with the guy which is more than most people defending this farce of a thread can say.

in any case, ive made my point - sorry to be the party foul. you guys want to throw a pity party online whining about zos - when you know that zos has delivered a triple A product- its why you are all here. that or you have nowhere to go.

Gilliamtherogue

Rickter wrote: »

How many "new players, solo players, PvPers, and average joes " do you actually know? Like who are you trying to fool?

Dont presume to tell me what my perception is.

Your ignorance knows no bounds. I believe the forums has some sort of phrase for this; teapot calling kettle or something?

Regardless, many of us here are well aware of many of the positive changes coming from Morrowind. We openly embrace them and comment on how ZoS did a good job tuning up CP progression to help diversify builds, help newer players, and curb the gap.

Most of our frustrations are coming from abysmal class balancing and returning a combat system without retuning the content of the combat itself. The game got excruciatingly more difficult for the average player, and all content remains built around old DPS checks and sustain. Loot has been left the exact same garbage trash that it is, spending months to never get a weapon because of saturated tables with no real goals in sight.

All this massive regression with no change to any incentive or design. THIS is why we are upset. Maybe if you read into the replies instead of seeing a bunch of names of people you despise for playing the meta, you'd have realized that.

DisgracefulMind

Rickter wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Ive actually run VDSA twice on separate days with Nifty and let me tell you - his attitude is he doesnt care about people he doesnt know. I was a fill in tank and a tool to perform a function. I came to help a friend and what i found was an elitist prick that didnt have the patience for anyone but what he wanted.

Oh but nifty is a champion of the people right?

You know what, you're not worth any of my time. I'll just edit what I said out. You've derailed this thread far too much as is.

But what I won't edit out: Don't speak of someone you don't know well in such an ill-manner on a public forum. Have you no decent respect for people?

Im going to call it like i see it. The funny thing is i based that opinion after time spent in game with the guy which is more than most people defending this farce of a thread can say.

in any case, ive made my point - sorry to be the party foul. you guys want to throw a pity party online whining about zos - when you know that zos has delivered a triple A product- its why you are all here. that or you have nowhere to go.

You've run with him twice. He has been one of my best friends for over 2 years. Enough said.

We embrace the good changes, and we are against the bad. Sorry for opinions.

code65536

mewcatus wrote: »

It makes no monetary sense to focus on the 1% or less in terms of end game rather than the 99% who are doing the rest of the content. If anything, they should focus on the latter, bringing more content there as that is where the money comes from.

Why do people assume that these two things mutually exclusive?

The combat balance changes are loathed by the endgame community. But the rest of the game's population isn't cheering these changes on, either. These changes won't make the content easier for the 99%, and it even hurts the play-how-you-want types (RIP nightblade tanks).

Morrowind has a lot to offer for the 99%: A huge new zone to explore and quest in. All we ask is that they don't alienate people unnecessarily.

Mazbt

I agree with Nifty

Slakk

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Most of our frustrations are coming from abysmal class balancing and returning a combat system without retuning the content of the combat itself. The game got excruciatingly more difficult for the average player, and all content remains built around old DPS checks and sustain. Loot has been left the exact same garbage trash that it is, spending months to never get a weapon because of saturated tables with no real goals in sight.

This pretty much sums it all up quite perfectly.

Is it really so wrong to at least want some improvements done to the loot system and how rewarding PvE feels as a whole?
There are tons of people that are still struggling to get a divines groth shoulder after using hundreds of keys. There are people that are still in pain trying to get sharpened maelstrom greatswords or inferno staves after 100+ runs, when a few people get what they want in less than 10 runs.
It may not be the addition of challenge people don't like, but rather just how horrible it may feel for almost anyone progressing through content to finally get a kill and your reward is an insulting restoration staff of some stamina set with the charged trait.

And there's very little discussion from ZoS on what the ultimate goal of this all is; Do they want to go on with the whole raise the floor and lower the ceiling thing? Do they want new guilds to form and replace the old?
A lot of us just fail to understand where this whole thing is leading as a whole. It's fair to expect many people are just plain confused and upset.

usmcjdking

Inig0 wrote: »

You missed it man. You entirely missed the point. You even only snipped part of what i said. Instead you went off ranting about other games and how you think theres some table somewhere where i sit.

I didn't comment on the entirety of your post, I commented on a very specific statement as it related to OP's post. That wasn't unintentional and I had no interest on commenting on the rest of you opinion because I agree with it. You absolutely have a seat at the table, as do a vast majority of the people in this thread by virtue of being an endgame player. You can't be as so daft to think they are going to get endgame feedback from ERP groups in city taverns.

Inig0 wrote: »

Also this needs to happen?? I dont know if youve ever played a balanced game because it doesnt sound like you have with how many failed games you keep listing.

All those games went 8-10 years, in WOW's case, even longer. None of those I listed failed or even came close it. EQ was infnitely more balanced than ESO can ever be but EQ had it's own balance issues.

Inig0 wrote: »

Balancing a game isnt done by changing the entire game every six months.

What? The meta didn't even change - the core gameplay mechanics are the exact same. The changes were nowhere NEAR dramatic enough to change the meta. Gear & rotation changes and a slight differentiation in skills do not amount to "zomg meta changed dooooooooooooooooom".

Inig0 wrote: »

There is no lobbing the heads off the elite there is no tables to sit at with zos there is no other mmos history theres literally just that.

I never said this. Some other emotionally unstable individual did. I said they will flush the elites out because they have too. Endgame feedback goes one direction and one direction only. A good amount of elites won't be bothered because they enjoy the game more than they enjoy the progress and will switch to the new direction without a care; Alcast and Gill's recent content support as much. A significant amount will be bothered - they presuppose that the game is at it's developmental zenith and everything that follows should continue on in that same direction as evidenced by your quote I'm going to respond to here -

Inig0 wrote: »

They had a chance to make it good but instead they changed a lot of its mechanics instead of working on the current ones.

If you dont feel like ZOS is taking the game into a direction that they didnt need to then you are just ignorant.

ZOS can take the direction of the game anyway they want. If the game's content is no longer fun people simply find a new game.

I have been relaying my observation, I gave you specific events and specific games that have historical context with MMOs that you can probably google search about. If you think my observation is wrong, then provide me information that directly contradicts what I said. If you think ZOS is taking a different approach than previous developers, for the love of **** please show me evidence suggesting they are going some new, unexplored route. Don't feed me your opinion or hypotheticals which has absolutely no bearing on what I've posted so far, then call me insane because my observation is different from your opinoin.

ookami007

Like paper towels or paper plates, players are now disposable. They are aiming for the disposable players. They no longer want fine china or even casual china, they want cheap, disposable paper plates and plastic utensils... and they are us.

doggie

I'm not sure what the exact rant is about. But from my playing the last months, the largest problem in this game is that a below average player may do something like 5k DPS, while a elite DPS can do close to 50k. At 5k DPS you can still play the overland but you'll freak out anyone in group content.

So if they manage to bring the bar closer, that's a major benefit to very casual players who just use random skills, without reading on forums.

ComboBreaker88

doggie wrote: »

I'm not sure what the exact rant is about. But from my playing the last months, the largest problem in this game is that a below average player may do something like 5k DPS, while a elite DPS can do close to 50k. At 5k DPS you can still play the overland but you'll freak out anyone in group content.

So if they manage to bring the bar closer, that's a major benefit to very casual players who just use random skills, without reading on forums.

Yup. The one button mechanic is going to be heavy attack. Just players walking around heavy attacking things to death. Lol

Capt_Morgan

doggie wrote: »

I'm not sure what the exact rant is about. But from my playing the last months, the largest problem in this game is that a below average player may do something like 5k DPS, while a elite DPS can do close to 50k. At 5k DPS you can still play the overland but you'll freak out anyone in group content.

So if they manage to bring the bar closer, that's a major benefit to very casual players who just use random skills, without reading on forums.

In 5pc ford's purple with golded out daggers non optimized cp, and optimized for run speed. My mat farming char gets 17k doing nothing but refreshing crit surge and spamming flurry. And a more fair comparison would be to go off self buffed DPS, so 30k to 40k not 50k.

Orbital

i love this game so much but as a endgame player, these changes and the way they treat us is so bad...
i really want to quit but i love my team and raiding so much
they totally have me by the balls...

ComboBreaker88

Orbital wrote: »

i love this game so much but as a endgame player, these changes and the way they treat us is so bad...
i really want to quit but i love my team and raiding so much
they totally have me by the balls...

I think most of us have been sticking around nit because of the game but because of the people we all play with.

Saturn

I like ESO, but after Morrowind, it will just become a game I log on to for the sake of the friends I have made over the years, since the joy of the gameplay is vanishing with these changes.

I know a lot of people don't like trying to improve, and calls everyone who touts the pleasure of min/max'ing an elitist, but even the newest of players must realise that there is something wrong with evening out the playing field, so that someone who just started can very quickly reach the top since the skill curve will be so soft.

I honestly thought ESO was different from other games I have played in the past, since I was able to watch it grow from a very infertile state at launch, into something that suited its audience, but in the end I guess money are more important to ZOS than making something special like that. I remember playing WoW and how cataclysm absolutely destroyed what they had made, and to be honest, I'm starting to get that feeling with ESO now. It's pretty sad, to be honest.

oldskoorpg74

Im in wait n see mode. The floor may indeed be raised, but I see endgame material getting more difficult with the stress to resource management. I'm not sure how that is bad for endgame (assuming it is indeed more difficult).

Shadowmaster

Nifty2g wrote: »

I feel like the direction Zenimax is heading, and it's a shame because so much of the community has voiced their opinions on this patch and in the past that a lot of the feedback is being looked past

Its truly unfortunate that the analysts advising these studios aren't doing a better job of pointing out WHY games like WoW were successful. I am absolutely certain the staff at ZoS "gets it", but the ZoS team reports up the ladder. Hopefully in the future the bosses will be more inclined to listen to their staff at the different studios.