Biro123 wrote: »

I'd turn it on its head and ask why rally has such a large burst heal. Its there for major brutality and a hot already, the burst heal makes it a must-have for any 2-hander build. In fact it makes 2-hander a must have on most stam builds.

:-)

And then what am I suppose to use on my stamblade.. Lol. Do you guys even think?

Everyone has access to rally and, a lot of builds really need it. Dark Exchange is just overboard and needs a change to come into line with everyone else's *** sustain skills.

Biro123 wrote: »

I'd turn it on its head and ask why rally has such a large burst heal. Its there for major brutality and a hot already, the burst heal makes it a must-have for any 2-hander build. In fact it makes 2-hander a must have on most stam builds.

:-)

This is why we cant have nice things.

Smmokkee wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

I'd turn it on its head and ask why rally has such a large burst heal. Its there for major brutality and a hot already, the burst heal makes it a must-have for any 2-hander build. In fact it makes 2-hander a must have on most stam builds.

:-)

And then what am I suppose to use on my stamblade.. Lol. Do you guys even think?

Everyone has access to rally and, a lot of builds really need it. Dark Exchange is just overboard and needs a change to come into line with everyone else's *** sustain skills.

Really, though, with any must-have, non-class ability you have to ask..'Is it overtuned?' And 'Why don't I have a class ability that makes it a tough choice?

TO be honest, I'm not too bothered about the heal part of dark deal - its often used when at full health just for the stam - but combined with crit-surge - it means you don't need to use rally - and therefore don't need to use a 2-hander. Not being tied to that weapon is one of the main selling points of the stamsorc imho.
Even so, its limitation is that its fuelled by your weak stat (mag) - and so you can only use it so much. In fact, because of that and the cast time - many stamsorcs still use rally rather than dark deal for their burst heal.

In PVP, the heal isn't that great.. It's halved as are all heals - and it doesn't scale from any stats. You certainly can't heal through incoming damage with it - but its VERY good for 'resetting' fights if you can LOS.

Twohothardware wrote: »

The problem with Dark Deal is StamSorc has 8k heals from it, heals from Rally, heals from Crit Surge, then the HoT from Vigor. I'd argue why does Dark Exchange return health at all. By the name alone if you were making a "deal" or an "exchange" it would be a 1:1 trade and giving up 2923 Magicka to get both 2878 Stamina AND 8000 Health isn't that.

I think it's in the patch notes they changed the name to Dark Bargain.

Biro123 wrote: »

Look - if you go with the OP's suggestion and half it to 4k.. It becomes 2k in PVP - which is nothing. Nobody in their right mind would use n expensive 1-second interruptable channel to try to recover 2k health.

Its one thing to ask for something to be toned down - its another to destroy it completely.

No one is using it for health anyways.

Tell that to zos with what they did to siphoning strikes.

Biro123 wrote: »

I was just looking back to the Dark Brotherhood patch notes where this ability got buffed..:

Dark Exchange: Increased the amount of resources gained from this ability and its morphs: Health by 100%, Stamina and Magicka by 75%.

Before then, this simply was not used at all. In fact Stamsorcs just weren't used. Just seems to me that all the nerf threads for this just want it back how it was - and the class back how it was - ie. non-existant.

No were not on a witch hunt for stam sorcs.. Lol... jeeze.

interruptable channel heal limited by weaker pool... gives a higher than some want return rate.

OK will cut it by 1/3 and give it instant (block) non-interruptable casting - all good now???

They should nerf dark exchange, streak, shields....um...pets are hitting too hard..let's see...

Hold on *goes to read the other numerous nerf sorc threads*

Crystal frags!

Seriously though, does no one bash? Dark exchange is literally telegraphed for an entire second before going off.

Also, you get an 8k tool tip on cyrodiil? I get that in pve with 46k Magicka, so I'm going to assume the OP didn't take pvp reduction into account, which means that 6k rally tick kind of proves DE is much less at about 4k.

Kova wrote: »

They should nerf dark exchange, streak, shields....um...pets are hitting too hard..let's see...

Hold on *goes to read the other numerous nerf sorc threads*

Crystal frags!

Seriously though, does no one bash? Dark exchange is literally telegraphed for an entire second before going off.

Also, you get an 8k tool tip on cyrodiil? I get that in pve with 46k Magicka, so I'm going to assume the OP didn't take pvp reduction into account, which means that 6k rally tick kind of proves DE is much less at about 4k.

Waow. Entire second before? It has 1sec of channel time and first 1/3 of it is barely visible. That is just enough time to react instantly (meaning standing literally next to him, having small ping and being focused directly at him). And if you do pull it of you just spend your resources to stop him from... not gaining resources?

Don't defend this skill. With Morrowind it is probably the best PVP sustain skill with very difficult and non rewarding counter. Giving user more of his primary resources than he had to spend of the secondary resource he is not using (mostly stamsorc) that gets even replenished by constitution (if you are heavy armor).

To the point of the thread. It does not need 8k heal, but removing it does literally nothing. It will hurt some leveling sorcs more than any endgame PVP or PVEer in the game. They will barely notice.

tldr;
Dont need heal, wont be less strong without it.

Beardimus wrote: »

Don't call for nerfs to things around your playstyle with others may well use it differently

This.
Actually, Dark Exchange is not OP. Maybe it is a bit strong now. But it will be slower (by nerf) and more expensive (w/o Warlord/Magician) in Morrowind. It will be harder to sustain both resources. This is also an indirect nerf. In sum, DE looks ok in next patch.
Anyways, even if it is not so, the developers will make the necessary fixes in the next patch. But for some reason everyone forgets about this.

Biro123 wrote: »

I swear you guys will only be happy when stamsorc has no useful class skills again..

At least it'll free up some space on the bar.

False, I want stam sorc to stay where it is. A nerf to the heal from dark exchange is not going to kill you unless you decide not to heal yourself. Most players use dark exchange for the resource. A few use it for the heal, but dark exchange was not designed as a heal, but as a resource sustain. Getting both a major heal and primary resource back is most definitely over performing. That's why so many people complain about dark exchange.

My argument is to simply reduce the heal received from dark exchange. That way it's not a powerful tool that heals and provides sustain. I'm fully aware it can be interrupted, which should remain because it has such burst sustain.

So a 1 second cast heal should heal for less than an instant cast heal ?