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If Cliff Racer is undodgeable because it has a delay, what about other abilities with travel times?

  • Lore_lai
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    U guys - it's all about immersion. And I'm not kidding, sadly.
    They gave it a travel time because they wanted the ability to look visually appealing and impressive, and they made it undodgeable because of its travel time and over-the-top visual.
    Don't believe me? Re-watch the ESO twitch where they discuss Animal Companion tree...

    Immersion. :trollface: So next time you get hit by 50 of these in Cyro - just remember to be immersed.
    All the other travel time and cast time abilities - u suck - you're not pretty enough so you didn't make the cut.

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    Can cliff racer be reflected? Does it count as a projectile? Or absorbed with Absorb Magic / Crystal Shield?
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    Lore_lai wrote: »
    U guys - it's all about immersion. And I'm not kidding, sadly.
    They gave it a travel time because they wanted the ability to look visually appealing and impressive, and they made it undodgeable because of its travel time and over-the-top visual.
    Don't believe me? Re-watch the ESO twitch where they discuss Animal Companion tree...

    Immersion. :trollface: So next time you get hit by 50 of these in Cyro - just remember to be immersed.
    All the other travel time and cast time abilities - u suck - you're not pretty enough so you didn't make the cut.

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    SanTii.92 wrote: »
    Dracane wrote: »
    Leave it to zose to introduce another ability with zero counterplay to their new beloved class. Undodgeable, no cast time, can be woven with poison injection, crits for 7k plus against other players, weaving with a heavy bow attack will trigger your bear that hits 20k plus undodgeable executes with the absolute cheapest ult cost.

    Warden may not be a better healer than templar, but hot damn they're overtuned in battlegrounds.

    The bear execute is undodgeable ?

    It is, But the bear can be Cc'ed. If wardens cast the ult proc, but the bear cannot reach it's target in the next 4 secs it just fails to attack.

    Wait what? Wardens aren't even punished for casting the bear execute when the bear is out of range of or being kited by the enemy???
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  • Dragath
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    the reason for cliffracer being undodgeable is not merely because it has a delay or long travel time.
    its because they put so much effort into the animation.
    they wanted the animation to look nice, really nice. so they did, which in return resulted in a delayed, because long and good looking, animation.
    its for the new shiny class that represents morrowind and its nice to look at. it would be a shame if it wasn't used as much as they would like, so they made sure that it will be used.
    this wasn't a decision based on balance.
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    SanTii.92 wrote: »
    Delay is not the only reason why cliff racer can't be dodge, not even the most important one. Wardens, magicka ones at least, don't have any other source of reliable offensive spell besides a single Dot. Make it so that you can dodge racers and they won't be able to punish a stam char whatsoever unless they really fcked up.

    With the new lotus change, mage warden is already very close to the point of straight up unviability. Please try it out, and consider them, and not only stam wardens, before asking for more nerfs.

    No matter the corner ZoS put themselves in with the number of attacks Warden has they made the class to use such a weak excuse is telling in the fact that they had no plans to take some of the group buffs or self buffs out to add in attacks. If they removed some powers and lets be honest powers use a small number of action animations so they could add in a few attacks with zero problems.

    They can't see how OP this would let Wardens be they don't see it even when it's pointed out. The PTS is not to balance anything it's to find bugs in the quest.

    Dragon Knights crippled no changes. At all...

    Nightblades made nearly forced to roll stamina as MageBlade is done. Fix any MageBlade class powers? Nope lets keep trying to call the siphoning nerf a buff.

    Templars Let's make that more DPS focused till the next update where we forget the DPS we added and rebuff Templar Healing don't think ZoS can remove a nerf and add a buff see Sorcerers.

    Sorcerers Got a whole 10% taken from there instant cast of a hard hitting CC no word on the Nerf that was Hunting Curse that was buffed then had the nerf removed. Making the over powered attack that needed a nerf get a major buff. No changes to Dark Deal the last unnerfed sustain powers, The only burst heal that don''t have it's power cut indirectly or directly. i.e. loss of Major Mending.

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    I duno why there's so much bafflement over cliffracers. The reason it's undodgable by design is to sell more morrowind boxes. It's the same reason why Templars lost major mending.

    If you want a semblance of balance, wait until 6 months after morrowind when they do the next balance patch and nerf warden down to the lvl of other classes after they've sold all the boxes they can reasonably expect.
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    Im tryna understand why ZOS keeps removing counterplay and preserving the ESO combat reactive and fun, but...I cant.

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    HoloYoitsu wrote: »
    I duno why there's so much bafflement over cliffracers. The reason it's undodgable by design is to sell more morrowind boxes. It's the same reason why Templars lost major mending.

    If you want a semblance of balance, wait until 6 months after morrowind when they do the next balance patch and nerf warden down to the lvl of other classes after they've sold all the boxes they can reasonably expect.

    We know that. The point of the thread is to low key poke at that. lol
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    HoloYoitsu wrote: »
    I duno why there's so much bafflement over cliffracers. The reason it's undodgable by design is to sell more morrowind boxes. It's the same reason why Templars lost major mending.

    If you want a semblance of balance, wait until 6 months after morrowind when they do the next balance patch and nerf warden down to the lvl of other classes after they've sold all the boxes they can reasonably expect.

    We know that. The point of the thread is to low key poke at that. lol
    Boringgggg, let's just move onto spiderman memes already.
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    Biro123 wrote: »
    How about overload, that is realllly slow. And an ulti, so surely should be undodgeable?

    :trollface:

    Lol, so true!
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