ZOS, please explain new punish system(307) for non-combat leveleing

Daemons_Bane · May 2017

tradewith2017 wrote: »

and its not vilated that part of the TOS, if you can read ofc

We can read pal.. It's not us that keep calling it rulers, calling people trolls for trying to help, and also ignoring the posts you don't agree with

Saturnana · May 2017

tradewith2017 wrote: »

you have wrong ideas about honesty, lol
its not bad to levleing while afk

Yes it is. AFK means you're 'Away From Keyboard', meaning you're not playing. Leveling is something you get from playing, not from checking your inventory. Just because you can be leveled by a friend while doing absolutely nothing yourself, doesn't mean you should.

zaria · May 2017

tradewith2017 wrote: »

Its actually against the ToS, and they have said it before. Playing means actively participating in the game and current place you are in. Going afk in the open world is no problem, but inside a group-dungeon is actually a form or harrassing the 3 other members of the group.

lul?
its not against rulers
its not in dungeon group

I agree its not against the rules as in bannable event, people can go afk for lots of good reasons.

However the game will disconnect you if you don't do damage in 20 minutes.
ZOS can design the game like they want.

I fail to see the issue with this change anyway? Why should anybody want to have some AFK eating into their xp pool?
Why not rubberband like the rest of the fools.

tradewith2017 · May 2017

rubberband = its violation
but im honest player

Daemons_Bane · May 2017

"tradewith2017 wrote: »

"but im honest player

That's debateable

tradewith2017 · May 2017

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

"tradewith2017 wrote: »

"but im honest player

That's debateable

as you said, hunny

XDragonDoomX · May 2017

Blacksmoke · May 2017

tradewith2017 wrote: »

rubberband = its violation
but im honest player

Asks for exploit and calls himself an honest gamer.. Dude you're a walking meme

ozmorgudduth · May 2017

Open World PVP would solve the problem of afk exping and botting. Any idiot with their pants down watching netflix would be dead. No scripts generating lags, no GM's required.
EDIT
GM's what is that anyway? I haven't seen one since beta 3 years ago.

Magdalina · May 2017

Artis wrote: »

DoShazarr wrote: »

tradewith2017 wrote: »

@BigBragg

man stop trolling and google what automation is - no human action involved!
and quote me the rulers you found, lol

@Olen_Mikko ok lol, i will replase afk word for peeps who cant understand

Well that's literally what being AFK is.

Away from keyboard. Doesn't imply anywhere that there is human action, now does it?

If you sit at the computer and just stare or are tabbed out googling or watching explicit content, you're not playing, you're automatically gaining XP thro someone else's action... That means there is no human action... I'd ban the crap out of you, and I'm the nice guy here.

Please stop.

What if it's his own action? Say, a person owns 2 accounts and uses one to level the other.

No matter how you dislike or disagree, but OP is right that if it's not against ToS, then it's allowed and legit.

Automation and leveling with no human input is against the TOS. Zeni has actually been pretty clear about this lately. I mean, better than usual at least.

He did not use a third party program but he did level with no human input of his own. It's one of those (rare) cases where I agree with Zenimax. I do believe they should make their stance on this more clear too, though they have been putting some effort in to communicating lately at least.

OP, the way to circumvent it is to level the conventional way. You know, run around, perform attacks, kill things. Maybe even - zomg! - do quests. In the time it's taken you to argue in this thread you could've easily hit level 50(from level 1) in Skyreach with one of those kind friends of yours.

Daemons_Bane · May 2017

tradewith2017 wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

"tradewith2017 wrote: »

"but im honest player

That's debateable

as you said, hunny

Wtf is a hunny?

Beardimus · May 2017

So what IS your justification for being able to do this? Out of interest.

I've not read the whole thread, but from your post it sounds like you want to earn XP, whilst doing nothing for over 20 minutes is that correct?

If so, you have to admit that does sound wrong. To be honnest even being able to do that for 10 minutes is too much. Unless I'm missing your point of why you think you should be allowed to do that?

If they have put a system in place to stop you doing that, good on ZOS. Levelling is SO easy now, even without killing (many quests don't involve kills, if for some RP / holistic reason you don't want to kill things.) but that doesn't sound like what you want to do, as above you mention killing things now and then to beat the timer. This your motives do not sound innocent.

Hopefully I've been articulately polite, but really I just want to scream how wrong AFK XP Farming is.

Daemons_Bane · May 2017

Beardimus wrote: »

So what IS your justification for being able to do this? Out of interest.

I've not read the whole thread, but from your post it sounds like you want to earn XP, whilst doing nothing for over 20 minutes is that correct?

If so, you have to admit that does sound wrong. To be honnest even being able to do that for 10 minutes is too much. Unless I'm missing your point of why you think you should be allowed to do that?

If they have put a system in place to stop you doing that, good on ZOS. Levelling is SO easy now, even without killing (many quests don't involve kills, if for some RP / holistic reason you don't want to kill things.) but that doesn't sound like what you want to do, as above you mention killing things now and then to beat the timer. This your motives do not sound innocent.

Hopefully I've been articulately polite, but really I just want to scream how wrong AFK XP Farming is.

Basically he wants to do it because "play the way you want".. His way is doing nothing while a friend farms.. That results in the system booting him and the he gets annoyed

Thalmor-Nordmaster · May 2017

Is the OP a gold Seller? Or a Power Leveler. When we had the last ESO Anniversary EXP CAKE ! The CAKE was yummy. The dolmen run in the Alik'r desert was rife with the OP's antics. And it is against the "Rulers" ahem.. Rules. Hence the 307 to deter it. I am not here to help you comprehend a TOS or EULA that's what Attorneys/Barristers are for.

IMO Stop doin Shady *** and play the game. If you continue to do stupid stuff you will continue to win stupid prizes.

If you want answers try the PM or the Customer Service option in your accounts. You came onto this forum not to get an answer from a GM but to stir *** up. Hopefully the mods lock this and give you a suspension. The nerve of advocating botting/AFK/Page Scraping

tradewith2017 · May 2017

looks like soul trap to one mob every 19 minutes helped me to solve the problem
im playing like i want and not violationg any rules
cheers!

XDragonDoomX · May 2017

tradewith2017 wrote: »

looks like soul trap to one mob every 19 minutes helped me to solve the problem
im playing like i want and not violationg any rules
cheers!

Advocating an exploit.

Tandor · May 2017

tradewith2017 wrote: »

i like to levelup my new toon from 1 to 50 in 6 hours, while watching Netflix and my friend who own me a beer, boosting me
but i need to relog every 25 minuts now

Therein lies the truth of it really. It's nothing to do with pretending to manage your inventory etc, you're simply doing other stuff in life while your friend is daft enough to level you up. It's totally different to being helped by a friend to level up legitimately, that involves both of you running the content together, not one of you doing so while the other is afk. The way you're doing it is a bannable offence as covered by the EULA. Make sure your friend knows he may get banned too, given that he's part of it.

tradewith2017 · May 2017

nothing wrong here
ZOS decided that 20+ minutes without human input is bad, okay
but not 19 minutes
simple as pie

have a nice day!

Pops_ND_Irish · May 2017

This may be the best, worthless, thread yet !

A person wanting to level without doing anything and thinls thats ok wow

Magdalina · May 2017

You know what's gonna be really funny? If Zeni deems this thread worthy of attention and then bans both you and your poor friends for this(which, if you hadn't posted here, they might've not even noticed)

Daemons_Bane · May 2017

And this is why we can't have nice things.. Someone always have to screw over the system any way they can possibly imagine

Feanor · May 2017

I don't know what's more baffling. The stubbornness or that this thread got to 6 pages. The OP is a perfect example of why the game is in its current state. "Play as you want" was the worst thing ZOS could ever have said for marketing this game.

Sinolai · May 2017

I can make some wrong hits yes, but 20 minutes of staring at your inventory or reading skill tooltips is pretty long time :P

GreenhaloX · May 2017

ZOS/Dev are actually doing something about it. People have complained much about bots and even that ZOS is not listening or feel reporting isn't effective. Sure, I can agree that a note on forum would be nice, but I'm just glad they have been listening behind the scene and actually doing something to deter botting and rubber banding. How effective the system or their action is, well.. bots and rubber banders are still popping up like bees on honey. Would be something if it comes down to that a gamemaster being stationed at a dolmen full-time. Ha ha

JasonSilverSpring · May 2017

XDragonDoomX wrote: »

tradewith2017 wrote: »

looks like soul trap to one mob every 19 minutes helped me to solve the problem
im playing like i want and not violationg any rules
cheers!

Advocating an exploit.

Agreed. I can see a ban potentially coming for OP.

Zyrudin · May 2017

I only have a few questions, if you would be so kind as to answer:

Why are you in a group doing something else and not actually doing the content your group mates are doing?
Is it that you don't know how or you have some technical issues?
Or is it because you can't be bothered or you don't like doing the content?

If you don't know how or have issues, ask for help, in game or here.
If you can't be bothered or don't like the content, another question comes up: why play this game and not one you like to play?

Even if you found a loophole in the EULA, it simply makes no sense to buy an account to then be AFK.

The current group finder bugs we are having? They came about after ZOS changed it to try to prevent AFK people from getting groups. This means ZOS does not want people to be AFK beyond a reasonable time for a short necessary break. If you will not be available to play, then do not login at that time - that is what they have been transpiring.

Cryptical · May 2017

tradewith2017 wrote: »

looks like soul trap to one mob every 19 minutes helped me to solve the problem
im playing like i want and not violationg any rules
cheers!

tradewith2017 wrote: »

nothing wrong here
ZOS decided that 20+ minutes without human input is bad, okay
but not 19 minutes
simple as pie

have a nice day!

This is the sort of post that a person selling leveled characters would make.

starkerealm · May 2017

Etienne_et_Isabeau wrote: »

My wife and I often play together, and there are times when one of us must leave the computer to tend to the dog/dinner/life/whatever. When this happens, the other will "watch" to ensure s/he is safe. If creatures spawn near us while one of us is away from the PC, should we be punished?

@Etienne_et_Isabeau, probably not. But, the distinction of why comes down to intent. You're spouse isn't trying to power level while AFK via your grinding. Either way, if one of you gets kicked, then you'll know you crossed a line, and you, or she, can log back in when they get back.

Zyrudin · May 2017

tradewith2017 wrote: »

nothing wrong here
ZOS decided that 20+ minutes without human input is bad, okay
but not 19 minutes
simple as pie

have a nice day!

So you have set your macro for 19 minutes?

Zyrudin · May 2017

tradewith2017 wrote: »

i like to levelup my new toon from 1 to 50 in 6 hours, while watching Netflix and my friend who own me a beer, boosting me
but i need to relog every 25 minuts now

Tandor wrote: »

Therein lies the truth of it really. It's nothing to do with pretending to manage your inventory etc, you're simply doing other stuff in life while your friend is daft enough to level you up. It's totally different to being helped by a friend to level up legitimately, that involves both of you running the content together, not one of you doing so while the other is afk. The way you're doing it is a bannable offence as covered by the EULA. Make sure your friend knows he may get banned too, given that he's part of it.

Interestingly, he deleted that post you quoted, as if there isn't a record.

Bring it on!