The social bottleneck of Raiding is insurmountable
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TARAFRAKA✭✭✭✭✭Is this guy seriously for real or is he just some elaborate(sp) troll? I enjoy this thread but the longer it goes, the more I wonder if he's not just sitting there giggling to himself as he types.
If i hadnt seen his actual game clips i wouldve thought he was trolling.
He is not.
Watching a tank use invigorating drain then turn into a skeleton from the pirate helm proc assured me, he is 1000% serious.5 -
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DjMuscleboy02✭✭✭✭✭Is this guy seriously for real or is he just some elaborate(sp) troll? I enjoy this thread but the longer it goes, the more I wonder if he's not just sitting there giggling to himself as he types.
If i hadnt seen his actual game clips i wouldve thought he was trolling.
He is not.
Watching a tank use invigorating drain then turn into a skeleton from the pirate helm proc assured me, he is 1000% serious.
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Where are his actual game clips? Are they vet or normal level? I solo normal group dungeons, so those are meaningless in showing how a group does.Is this guy seriously for real or is he just some elaborate(sp) troll? I enjoy this thread but the longer it goes, the more I wonder if he's not just sitting there giggling to himself as he types.
If i hadnt seen his actual game clips i wouldve thought he was trolling.
He is not.
Watching a tank use invigorating drain then turn into a skeleton from the pirate helm proc assured me, he is 1000% serious.
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✭✭✭✭✭Is this guy seriously for real or is he just some elaborate(sp) troll? I enjoy this thread but the longer it goes, the more I wonder if he's not just sitting there giggling to himself as he types.
If i hadnt seen his actual game clips i wouldve thought he was trolling.
He is not.
Watching a tank use invigorating drain then turn into a skeleton from the pirate helm proc assured me, he is 1000% serious.
Normally that'd be cool of the OP. But complaining about raid groups, saying DKs have trash tanking skills/passives, and that you should be entitled since you're awesome as a NB tank and all..... well.....
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HeathenDeacon✭✭✭just chiming in here after reading the OP.
For the most part i have to say the raiding system in this game is one of the worst i've seen in a MMO.
Generally agreeing with the OP, this comes down to a couple simple reasons.
the actual trials are fine, but I've never seen a MMO where the largest/hardest pve content isnt the main focus for the majority of the player pop.
The social/grouping tools are sub par... and were practically non-existent on console at launch with no text chat, which set a really bad tone.
The main issue for me though, and this really goes for how ALL of ESo's pve content is structured-- is the serious lack of great "CARROTS".
Not the vegetable, but rewards that drive players.
Better defined and better overall 'Carrots' actually alleviate most of the social/grouping issues on there own by increasing the overall desire and focus of the community to run these instances.
IDK, it has always seemed like ZOs has made a point to be this amorphous, non traditional mmo, but i really dont see the point of developing such amazing instances that arent really on the radar for such a huge part of the population.
IT takes the 'mmo addiction" right out of me.... just show me better Carrots, and I'd be cracked out and running trails non stop.Edited by HeathenDeacon on May 5, 2017 9:22PM2 -
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✭HeathenDeacon wrote: »just chiming in here after reading the OP.
For the most part i have to say the raiding system in this game is one of the worst i've seen in a MMO.
Generally agreeing with the OP, this comes down to a couple simple reasons.
the actual trials are fine, but I've never seen a MMO where the largest/hardest pve content isnt the main focus for the majority of the player pop.
The social/grouping tools are sub par... and were practically non-existent on console at launch with no text chat, which set a really bad tone.
The main issue for me though, and this really goes for how ALL of ESo's pve content is structured-- is the serious lack of great "CARROTS".
Not the vegetable, but rewards that drive players.
Better defined and better overall 'Carrots' actually alleviate most of the social/grouping issues on there own by increasing the overall desire and focus of the community to run these instances.
IDK, it has always seemed like ZOs has made a point to be this amorphous, non traditional mmo, but i really dont see the point of developing such amazing instances that arent really on the radar for such a huge part of the population.
IT takes the 'mmo addiction" right out of me.... just show me better Carrots, and I'd be cracked out and running trails non stop.
I believe a lot of it is because a huge population has come from the single player games, and are much more casual players.
There also seems to be a lot of entitlement in this game when it comes to obtaining gear. Everyone wants to have equal gear in this game, so even the trials gear can be obtained on normal, which is pitifully trivial to complete. The only gear difficult to get currently (not referring to rng) is vMA weapons.
If gear is not the solution to being the "carrot" you speak of, ZOS would need to come up with something else to entice people (but if it's unique, then people will complain). Currently the only reason to do vet trials is get gold jewelry (honestly only slightly better than blue from normal) and you get a bit of gold. About 12-15k gold per trial, once per week per toon you can get a 10k bonus item from each trial if you are capable of doing hard mode. To me, while it is nice to have a small income of gold (mainly to compensate for the insane prices of Spell Power Potions), it's not the reason me and my guild raids. Most people don't do raiding at this point to get something better to improve their character, but rather because we find them fun and enjoyable. To us, we get the gear so that we can do raids. Raids is the end-goal.
I don't believe the grouping tools have as much to do with the problem as much as the general population doesn't "want" to be the best they can and complete the hardest content. They might do normal trials to get the gear, but the difficulty between normal and vet is astounding.
Not to mention how difficult vet trials are without someone to teach you (that's what progression guilds are for, but many despise them because not everyone may be progressing at the same pace, or feel its really slow, and it honestly can be painful to wipe over and over again, especially if by the same few people). The progression guilds that I help out in have a mix of veteran trial players with newer players, but that even further limits how many new people can join the group if only a few can join at a time (like estimate 6 and 6).
While myself and a lot of other good raiders try to expand the raiding community by teaching new players, it's quite a hassle and a long process to get new players up to speed. I just finished leading a progression group of about 7 new players to raids and we took like 2.5-3 months (raiding once to twice a week) to get from never doing vet trials to the point of being able to reliably clear all non-hm craglorn trials and we finished by clearing vetHRC on hard mode (we also had done vSO on hard mode but that's a lot easier).Edited by IronCrystal on May 5, 2017 9:47PMMake PC NA raiding great again!
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TARAFRAKA✭✭✭✭✭rotaugen454 wrote: »
Where are his actual game clips? Are they vet or normal level? I solo normal group dungeons, so those are meaningless in showing how a group does.Is this guy seriously for real or is he just some elaborate(sp) troll? I enjoy this thread but the longer it goes, the more I wonder if he's not just sitting there giggling to himself as he types.
If i hadnt seen his actual game clips i wouldve thought he was trolling.
He is not.
Watching a tank use invigorating drain then turn into a skeleton from the pirate helm proc assured me, he is 1000% serious.
It was blessed crucible. The troll king and beetle mini boss. Not sure if vet or normal, but its so easy you would have to try to get yourself killed in there lol.1 -
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I solo that one every time it comes up in the rotation. Might as well be Fungal Grotto I.rotaugen454 wrote: »
Where are his actual game clips? Are they vet or normal level? I solo normal group dungeons, so those are meaningless in showing how a group does.Is this guy seriously for real or is he just some elaborate(sp) troll? I enjoy this thread but the longer it goes, the more I wonder if he's not just sitting there giggling to himself as he types.
If i hadnt seen his actual game clips i wouldve thought he was trolling.
He is not.
Watching a tank use invigorating drain then turn into a skeleton from the pirate helm proc assured me, he is 1000% serious.
It was blessed crucible. The troll king and beetle mini boss. Not sure if vet or normal, but its so easy you would have to try to get yourself killed in there lol.
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✭This thread takes me back to 2005 and running Molten Core with 40 people in WoW. How did we do that? lol0 -
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✭✭Top tier (vet trials) content is made for highly specialized builds and oragnaized players. If you want to experiment some leeway exists as long as the responsibilities are discussed beforehand: maybe one of the healers wants to warhorn instead and leave you with an "oh poop" button (magma armour and extra barrier or whatever). But the higher up the challenge ladder you go, the narrower the margin for error or deviance and thus the need to conform to what will get 110% out of everyone on the team. It's a mathematical challenge as much one for your reflexes.
If you don't like it, don't do it. The end. Why is this even being discussed with any kind of back-and-forth from the OP (who seems to have no clue of the basics of competitive raiding) is astonishing. There's normal trials if you just want to *** around and see the story. And I'm sure ZoS will add those to a "Trial Finder" or whatever, eventually, so just wait till then.
Personally, I dropped out of the (tanking) trial circuit after a year or so to do less conformist activities. But when my friends nag me to tank the occassional vet trial, I get my banker out and my akatosh/ ebon/ whatever they need and I make the experience as smooth as possible for them.
Part of being a tank is being a leader and a leader does what is wise, not just what's "fun".Edited by Peekachu99 on May 5, 2017 9:56PM4 -
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✭✭✭HeathenDeacon wrote: »just chiming in here after reading the OP.
For the most part i have to say the raiding system in this game is one of the worst i've seen in a MMO.
Generally agreeing with the OP, this comes down to a couple simple reasons.
the actual trials are fine, but I've never seen a MMO where the largest/hardest pve content isnt the main focus for the majority of the player pop.
The social/grouping tools are sub par... and were practically non-existent on console at launch with no text chat, which set a really bad tone.
The main issue for me though, and this really goes for how ALL of ESo's pve content is structured-- is the serious lack of great "CARROTS".
Not the vegetable, but rewards that drive players.
Better defined and better overall 'Carrots' actually alleviate most of the social/grouping issues on there own by increasing the overall desire and focus of the community to run these instances.
IDK, it has always seemed like ZOs has made a point to be this amorphous, non traditional mmo, but i really dont see the point of developing such amazing instances that arent really on the radar for such a huge part of the population.
IT takes the 'mmo addiction" right out of me.... just show me better Carrots, and I'd be cracked out and running trails non stop.
The problem is that even if there was an enticing Carrot at the end of a difficult trial, once you have it on farm, that Carrot is easily gotten within a week due to a no loot lockout system. The closest thing ESO has to a loot lockout system is the Monster Shoulders and there's a huge loop hole that allows you to run dailies on all your characters and trade the shoulders among them. Seriously, if ESO would implement, say a Monster Helm set that was only obtainable via a weekly Trial reward coffer, and was BiS, there would be a stampede of groups running trials on a regular basis to try and get that set. Problem being then that casuals would ask for it to drop in Normal Trials too and ZOS being spineless, would relent and make it drop in Normal Trials thus devaluing the Carrot altogether.Argonian forever0 -
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✭WalksonGraves wrote: »I've been playing eso since launch on xbox and am stuck at raid content. Every time I've actually done a raid it's went well but I can count on one hand the amount of times I've been able to try. Here's why:
Raid groups don't need tons of tanks. You essentially have to start your own guild and recruit everyone if that is your role.
Finding 11 people minimum who all have the right gear and level and class for raiding who ALSO happen to have synchronized schedules across multiple time zones is basically impossible by meeting people in game.
This requires as much time and effort as running a small business with an unpaid staff that has to be constantly interacted with or they wander off. I don't play video games to be a social butterfly. Talking to random people on xbox is generally abhorrent.
This is a game, nothing should be this much work. Fix the damn lfg and add raids to it. If I can pug Zul'Grurub I can pug anything eso can throw at me.
And for what? Some ugly blue lightning skin? Some tanking set no one uses?
There isn't even a reward to justify the effort other than waving your e peen around on the leader boards.
Im all with you here. The only reason i don't do trials is that its not in the group finder. I don't what to sit and spam the chat.
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Kagetenchu✭✭✭visionality wrote: »Who the heck is Zul'Grurub? And why don't you join a PVE guild?
A raid boss from wow. How that pertains to eso trials I don't really know.0 -
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✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »I've been playing eso since launch on xbox and am stuck at raid content. Every time I've actually done a raid it's went well but I can count on one hand the amount of times I've been able to try. Here's why:
Raid groups don't need tons of tanks. You essentially have to start your own guild and recruit everyone if that is your role.
Finding 11 people minimum who all have the right gear and level and class for raiding who ALSO happen to have synchronized schedules across multiple time zones is basically impossible by meeting people in game.
This requires as much time and effort as running a small business with an unpaid staff that has to be constantly interacted with or they wander off. I don't play video games to be a social butterfly. Talking to random people on xbox is generally abhorrent.
This is a game, nothing should be this much work. Fix the damn lfg and add raids to it. If I can pug Zul'Grurub I can pug anything eso can throw at me.
And for what? Some ugly blue lightning skin? Some tanking set no one uses?
There isn't even a reward to justify the effort other than waving your e peen around on the leader boards.
Im all with you here. The only reason i don't do trials is that its not in the group finder. I don't what to sit and spam the chat.
Oh buddy..
I just wanna add that there are plenty of times when you can have the most experienced players togethers, people that have been playing together for months, or years, and have issues. You don't even wanna know how bad groupfindee trials team would be. I wouldnt ever give the group so much as 5 minutes of my time as ik it'd already be wasted.1 -
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✭✭✭Kagetenchu wrote: »visionality wrote: »Who the heck is Zul'Grurub? And why don't you join a PVE guild?
A raid boss from wow. How that pertains to eso trials I don't really know.
Wasn't a raid boss, it was an actual raid
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TARAFRAKA✭✭✭✭✭Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Kagetenchu wrote: »visionality wrote: »Who the heck is Zul'Grurub? And why don't you join a PVE guild?
A raid boss from wow. How that pertains to eso trials I don't really know.
Wasn't a raid boss, it was an actual raid
It is still completely irrelevant to this game.2 -
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✭So much e-peen and bait in this thread I'm suprised it's not been closed.
Op his entitled to his opinions on what's BiS for tank and if you can't accept his beliefs (even if wrong) then that's on you guys, seriously no need for belittling him and snarky comments.
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Manpoints✭✭✭✭Came for the QQ, stayed, for the QQ.
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Bad tank wont listen, is one of those 'My build is better coz I sayz so', nobody wants him. 3 strikes, #1, non-dk (No chains, doesn't need to waste ability slots on regen, mobile major resolve and ward), #2 not maxing ulti gen, #3 No Alkosh (you can get the peices in normal mode BTW before someone has a cry about 'you need a raid group')Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »So much e-peen and bait in this thread I'm suprised it's not been closed.
Op his entitled to his opinions on what's BiS for tank and if you can't accept his beliefs (even if wrong) then that's on you guys, seriously no need for belittling him and snarky comments.
If he is complaining about not being allowed to run with the same people trying to tell him what to run so he can join them, he needs to be belittled. Otherwise you're supporting someone from outside of end game raiding coming in and trying to tell them all what they've been doing wrong. Seem plausible?
And to those talking about how trials needs to cater more to them and their 'play style' - Thats why the put in normal mode trials, so you can run whatever you want and still get a clear.
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rustic_potato✭✭✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »rustic_potato wrote: »I main a tank. I had the same issue, teams already have tanks. I joined my team as a DPS and then eventually built enough of a reputation in the team as a capable player and rotated my tank into raids.
Instant gratification is what you are looking for. Stop whining on the forums and work for it. ESO is an MMO and is meant to be progressive. Earn it.
Why would you tell someone that has been working toward something since xbox launch that they are looking for instant gratification?
@Personofsecrets Lol he wants to bring a useless class in a competitive environment. If he wanted to truly tank he would have rolled a DK and worked on it. With Morrowind the difference in tanking between DK and other classes is going to become wider. He is just a whiner who refuses to adapt as the game needs him to. Kinda reminds me of you!I play how I want to.3 -
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✭WalksonGraves wrote: »
Having one possible group composition for vmol means either the devs have failed to design the game or the players have no imagination, either way it's not good. I'm fully confident my build outperforms dk tanks, I have a dk and they are pretty poorly designed skill wise and have worse passives.
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You're right, not that would be bad design. But there's more than one composition possible, there's just no reason not to run a composition that is much better than other compositions.
You're saying your build outperforms dk tank... How exactly? What do you measure performance in and in what way your builds outperform a dk tank?2 -
rustic_potato✭✭✭✭✭WalksonGraves wrote: »rotaugen454 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »There are many guilds looking for good tanks. GOOD tanks. Ones that don't use special snowflake argonian nb non sap pirate skeleton, no ebon alkosh, not giving anything to the group. No one's looking for that
Someone is salty that they can't come up with their own build. Fyi I add group crit through nb passives, I am constantly putting all aggro'd targets off balance and can out ult a dk 2:1.
Keep parroting the "meta" from 2015 it's going to be even less relevant in morrowind.
@WalksonGraves ^^ I read this comment and I'm not sure I can really support you now
The reason it is so absurdly difficult to get into a capable raid team has to do with all the reasons you mentioned - strong gear requirement, high skill level and game knowledge, scheduled times that work for everyone, etc.
However, you must also be good at your role or you cannot make the complaint that no one will take you. There is only a small minority of "good" raid players amongst the vast majority of the playerbase that are not. If you want to join them, you have to not only be great, but use what works best.
• As a DPS, you are essentially a Magicka Sorc, although Magicka DKs and Magicka Templars are accepted as well. Use 2x Ilambris/Grothdarr, 5x Necropotence/BSW, 4x-5x Moondancer or 4x IA, 1x vMA Inferno staff
• As a Healer, you are a Magicka Templar. Use Worm Cult, SPC, Mending, Twilight, etc.
• As a tank, you are a Dragonknight. Use Ebon Armory, Alkosh, Powerful Assault, etc.
It is simple. You have to outfit yourself with an optimal setup as much as you can before going into these groups and trying to learn the strats to complete this content. Sure you like being a Nightblade, but DKs are naturally outfitted better for tanking Vet trial content than NBs which becomes even more true when BiS gear is equipped.
Unless you're one of the best tanks on the server, why should a good team take you over the equally worthy DK, who chooses the best tanking class and won't feel they need to give attitude to people when questioned about class choice/role viability?
For Morrowind.... I'll note one thing you might want to remember, which is that the meta will be more solidified than ever (Heavy Attack builds). Players not in the 0.1% will struggle far more than those who are.
EDIT: Just randomly found this comment you posted today:WalksonGraves wrote: »Nb has become furnishings finding class
Here you yourself say your class sucks. Why argue with @Oompuh that your tank is better than any DK or at least equally as strong then..... -_- smh
Having one possible group composition for vmol means either the devs have failed to design the game or the players have no imagination, either way it's not good. I'm fully confident my build outperforms dk tanks, I have a dk and they are pretty poorly designed skill wise and have worse passives.
That being said once morrowind hits they are gutting leeching strikes and I am losing the core of my sustain, hence me not suggesting it to new players. I'm probably going to have to go staff tank and try to make that work or go healer.
Staff tank...that speaks volumes.
Yeah because morrowind isn't going to screw up everything for everyone and no attempt should be made to adapt . You really think they added that mechanic for lulz?
If you think even that Morrowind will save your sub par tank class you are sorely mistaken. The difference between DK and other classes got increased significantly. NB tanks are probably bottom of the barrel in the new patch. I would suggest you adapt and improve or you can just keep whining without making any progress.I play how I want to.2 -
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✭✭12 player groups are as rare as hens teeth because most folks who play eso came from the single player games, it's the same reason ZOS makes so few trials, after all they are a lot of work and the community for them is small and exclusive. Lower the difficulty on normal ones and shove them in the group finder and you might grow that community a bit, until then it's unlikely to change. For most players who enjoy eso, me included, completing a vet trial is about as likely as going surfing on the moon.1 -
Absolut_Turkey✭✭✭WalksonGraves wrote: »I've been playing eso since launch on xbox and am stuck at raid content. Every time I've actually done a raid it's went well but I can count on one hand the amount of times I've been able to try. Here's why:
Raid groups don't need tons of tanks. You essentially have to start your own guild and recruit everyone if that is your role.
Finding 11 people minimum who all have the right gear and level and class for raiding who ALSO happen to have synchronized schedules across multiple time zones is basically impossible by meeting people in game.
This requires as much time and effort as running a small business with an unpaid staff that has to be constantly interacted with or they wander off. I don't play video games to be a social butterfly. Talking to random people on xbox is generally abhorrent.
This is a game, nothing should be this much work. Fix the damn lfg and add raids to it. If I can pug Zul'Grurub I can pug anything eso can throw at me.
And for what? Some ugly blue lightning skin? Some tanking set no one uses?
There isn't even a reward to justify the effort other than waving your e peen around on the leader boards.
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✭Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »So much e-peen and bait in this thread I'm suprised it's not been closed.
Op his entitled to his opinions on what's BiS for tank and if you can't accept his beliefs (even if wrong) then that's on you guys, seriously no need for belittling him and snarky comments.
Opinions are 1 thing, reality is another. For example I just fot done arguing with an idiot who decided to interject in a conversation about how dot scaling is affected by fb/backbar. He had his opinions, but numbers just don't lie.
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✭WalksonGraves wrote: »
It works perfectly well in other games fore those that want that level of commitment; WOW is of course the prime example but by no means the only one, LoTRO's raids are similar in their requirements.WalksonGraves wrote: »Finding 11 people minimum who all have the right gear and level and class for raiding who ALSO happen to have synchronized schedules across multiple time zones is basically impossible by meeting people in game.
That said, WOW's LFR makes raiding available to a lot more people and ZOS could do a lot better at providing 'raid' content for those for whom the current limited raid tiering doesn't provide them with content they can do.
I had the same problem in wow, getting 40 people online at the same time for a few hours straight is hard for a company with paid employees let alone gamers.
Hence why I like the "old skool" open world raid type content... might be less challenging, but it allows many more people to get a taste of what it's like. (ie. stuff like in Dark Age of Camelot.. epic dungeons like Caer Sidi, Darkness Falls, or god forbid Trials of Atlantis encounters.. required a huge amount of people to pull off.. but it was in the open.. anyone could tag along)
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✭Came for the QQ, stayed, for the QQ.
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Bad tank wont listen, is one of those 'My build is better coz I sayz so', nobody wants him. 3 strikes, #1, non-dk (No chains, doesn't need to waste ability slots on regen, mobile major resolve and ward), #2 not maxing ulti gen, #3 No Alkosh (you can get the peices in normal mode BTW before someone has a cry about 'you need a raid group')Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »So much e-peen and bait in this thread I'm suprised it's not been closed.
Op his entitled to his opinions on what's BiS for tank and if you can't accept his beliefs (even if wrong) then that's on you guys, seriously no need for belittling him and snarky comments.
If he is complaining about not being allowed to run with the same people trying to tell him what to run so he can join them, he needs to be belittled. Otherwise you're supporting someone from outside of end game raiding coming in and trying to tell them all what they've been doing wrong. Seem plausible?
And to those talking about how trials needs to cater more to them and their 'play style' - Thats why the put in normal mode trials, so you can run whatever you want and still get a clear.
@IronCrystal - Everyone needs to be equal without putting in the work? such is the nature of millennials
Pretty much this. It sounds like op was trying to do his own special snowflake thing and refused the reality check, then came here to complain about it. You can't go all oprah winfrey here when what is actually needed is a cold hand to the face until op snaps out of it.
There are so many viable gear choices for a trials tank that being turned away from groups based on gear is well, alarming. Op needs to be told the truth, either he'll dress approprietly for the content, or give up amd stick to whatever he's good at. Like tanking normal dungeons or whatever.1
