Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »

@Insandros He is laughing because patch goes live all the ppl the struggle with things as simple as vet pledges will no longer have the patience for them. If you don't do vet trials and there hm, or PvP you opinion is moot sorry. And wen you can't get into groups to complete content and come to the forums to complain just remember ppl wanted this.

Bah, i just have 4 lvl 50 toons, 711 cps, do all vet HM pledges, normal trials since i'm not part of a guild to trust going vets trials with, i have a pure Templar Healer, a Magika Sorcerer that only dealds 31-32k on solo dummy, without any Spell power essences pots, no ultimates used, no elemental drain or any buffs other than sorcerer's class, blue jewls and far from having a vMA staff, so i presume my opinion is indeed useless since none of my toons will be affected from the patch's regen nerf or mending people are crying about, you'Re right. But now we'll see who's good players are or not by not bypassing the game's mechanics. Remember having infnite regen, doing damage for 2-3 players by bypassing the game dedign intent, is not what i consider being good, completing the stuff how game was design, this will lead to elite players, when i got back in game id din't likes the cancer of animation cancel and spellweaving... but i didn't had any choices, because i was way behind in dps, i then turned to it, not the best dps, but one of the top each trials i go to, or dungeons, pledges, HM, vet or not. But now i'll be able to enjoy the game, not telling how easy stuff got since the animation canceling and infinite regen because of CP. I was there before CP system and got back afetr CP system and i swear, i had way much more fun before, things were challenging, yeah vet trials are challenging, but maigne how normal are suppossent to be, i don't find normal someone can solo vet pleges. so, you can cry about or live with it and get to make yourself a better player by going in for the content or cry for the easy game it got with CP as they are now.

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

Insandros wrote: »

a Magika Sorcerer that only dealds 31-32k on solo dummy, without any Spell power essences pots, no ultimates used, no elemental drain or any buffs other than sorcerer's class, blue jewls and far from having a vMA staff

If you're running a meta sorc, no, you don't.

Possibly a pet build could get that high, but it is suspicious without use of potions or ult or ele drain or healer buffs.

Or he's cheesing it with a lightning staff.

IronCrystal wrote: »

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

Insandros wrote: »

a Magika Sorcerer that only dealds 31-32k on solo dummy, without any Spell power essences pots, no ultimates used, no elemental drain or any buffs other than sorcerer's class, blue jewls and far from having a vMA staff

If you're running a meta sorc, no, you don't.

Possibly a pet build could get that high, but it is suspicious without use of potions or ult or ele drain or healer buffs.

Or he's cheesing it with a lightning staff.

Or he is trolling hard.

Or has no idea what he is saying.

Insandros wrote: »

Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »

@Insandros He is laughing because patch goes live all the ppl the struggle with things as simple as vet pledges will no longer have the patience for them. If you don't do vet trials and there hm, or PvP you opinion is moot sorry. And wen you can't get into groups to complete content and come to the forums to complain just remember ppl wanted this.

Bah, i just have 4 lvl 50 toons, 711 cps, do all vet HM pledges, normal trials since i'm not part of a guild to trust going vets trials with, i have a pure Templar Healer, a Magika Sorcerer that only dealds 31-32k on solo dummy, without any Spell power essences pots, no ultimates used, no elemental drain or any buffs other than sorcerer's class, blue jewls and far from having a vMA staff, so i presume my opinion is indeed useless since none of my toons will be affected from the patch's regen nerf or mending people are crying about, you'Re right. But now we'll see who's good players are or not by not bypassing the game's mechanics. Remember having infnite regen, doing damage for 2-3 players by bypassing the game dedign intent, is not what i consider being good, completing the stuff how game was design, this will lead to elite players, when i got back in game id din't likes the cancer of animation cancel and spellweaving... but i didn't had any choices, because i was way behind in dps, i then turned to it, not the best dps, but one of the top each trials i go to, or dungeons, pledges, HM, vet or not. But now i'll be able to enjoy the game, not telling how easy stuff got since the animation canceling and infinite regen because of CP. I was there before CP system and got back afetr CP system and i swear, i had way much more fun before, things were challenging, yeah vet trials are challenging, but maigne how normal are suppossent to be, i don't find normal someone can solo vet pleges. so, you can cry about or live with it and get to make yourself a better player by going in for the content or cry for the easy game it got with CP as they are now.

Your qualifications are impressive but as I said this patch does little to affect 4 man dungeons in all honesty. You can burn planar inhibitor before blue phase and skip other various mechanics in pledges but I'm telling you, you won't even want to do trials or even attempt there hm versions after this. You have no idea how much time it will take new ppl to learn mechanics now especially wen veteran players won't take anyone new. Please just go on the pts and try a trial come back here and report your findings. It's hard to ignore the fact that all end game raiders hate the new combat system. Just because u do hard mode pledges doesnt mean your a reliable source of information on this matter.

Eh, end game pve won't be dead. The way a lot of ppl play will have to change, that's all.

Running moondancer and BSW and someone running elemental drain its pretty hard to run out of resources. hate to say it but it sounds like an L2P issue. even after the update with a few tweaks, sustain wont be too bad of a problem.
its only a nerf........if you don't know how to play.
EDIT: highelf magplar

Psychodellix wrote: »

Running moondancer and BSW and someone running elemental drain its pretty hard to run out of resources. hate to say it but it sounds like an L2P issue. even after the update with a few tweaks, sustain wont be too bad of a problem.
its only a nerf........if you don't know how to play.

It depends on what class you are using.

Magicka DKs are already difficult to sustain without good healers.

Magicka sorcs are semi-easy due to passive cost-reduction.

Magicka Templars and Nightblades have easy magicka management through skills.

Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »

Psychodellix wrote: »

Running moondancer and BSW and someone running elemental drain its pretty hard to run out of resources. hate to say it but it sounds like an L2P issue. even after the update with a few tweaks, sustain wont be too bad of a problem.
its only a nerf........if you don't know how to play.
EDIT: highelf magplar

If you currently use moon dancer for the sustain then you have a l2p issue. Also you can sustain with a few tweaks as you said but the required changes make the game god awful imo and quite a few competitive players opinions as well.

why wouldnt you use it for both? thats what makes the set great. you can pull competitive dps using both synergies.

So mag sorcs have to use a sustain set now. Yeah it might make them a little less off the top on DPS, but it is still comparable to the others. change a set and change a few enchants. you gtg

Psychodellix wrote: »

So mag sorcs have to use a sustain set now. Yeah it might make them a little less off the top on DPS, but it is still comparable to the others. change a set and change a few enchants. you gtg

Not as simple as that my friend. New meta next patch will be hvy atk. I don't know if u have ever tried a hvy atk build but there pretty awful imo. Also ur magplar won't be allowed into trials as there dps will be awful. If anything sorc are going to be even better next patch.

Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »

Psychodellix wrote: »

So mag sorcs have to use a sustain set now. Yeah it might make them a little less off the top on DPS, but it is still comparable to the others. change a set and change a few enchants. you gtg

Not as simple as that my friend. New meta next patch will be hvy atk. I don't know if u have ever tried a hvy atk build but there pretty awful imo. Also ur magplar won't be allowed into trials as there dps will be awful. If anything sorc are going to be even better next patch.

I tested new trial my deeps and my sustain are fine

LiquidPony wrote: »

CaptainBeerDude wrote: »

So without BiS gear, a sub 50 toon and heavy armour, I can still spam the crap out of my magicka skills. Are you people sure that there isn't ridiculous sustain going around?

It's a 5 Seducer and 3 Torug's if you're curious.

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Well, yeah ... you're wearing the best Magicka sustain set in the game.

It's somewhere around 3 trait and 4 trait craftable. It's also ridiculously easy to get.

I don't think infinite sustain should exist in the first place..

Alot of us aren't saying changed to resource management would be bad. What the competitive pve raiders are saying is it's way to much of a change and all at once. @Psychodellix all we are asking for is middle ground because the changes happening are pushing the competitive people into a play style that isn't fun. It's also going to make it harder for us to recruit new ppl in as well rip vmol pad 5 burn dreams.

CaptainBeerDude wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

CaptainBeerDude wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

CaptainBeerDude wrote: »

So without BiS gear, a sub 50 toon and heavy armour, I can still spam the crap out of my magicka skills. Are you people sure that there isn't ridiculous sustain going around?

It's a 5 Seducer and 3 Torug's if you're curious.

@CaptainBeerDude ...

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Well, yeah ... you're wearing the best Magicka sustain set in the game.

It's somewhere around 3 trait and 4 trait craftable. It's also ridiculously easy to get.

@CaptainBeerDude but that's totally irrelevant. It's still the best Magicka sustain set in the game, regardless of how it is acquired.

It is kinda the point. With 1 week of effort, anyone could be using these pieces. I've only upgraded to green and I replace after about 10 levels. I'm guessing with Morrowind I'll have to adjust to a dress, but c'est la vie.
And just to clarify, are you saying that craftable gear will be BiS soon/now and there isn't a dropped set that does better?
Just curious, I've been in Skyrim for the last year.

No craftable won't be bis by a long shot. And ur missing his point ur are using sustain not dmg sets.