Are there useless skills?

Calandrae · May 2017

Yes. Inside I cry a little whenever I see a healer using healing ritual (a temp heal) or blood altar (undaunted). :'(

Sneaky-Snurr · May 2017

Rending slashes.

A twin slash morph which deals increased initial damage which is not even remotely sizeable in the first place.

mtwiggz · May 2017

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

mtwiggz wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

mtwiggz wrote: »

Most useless skill in the game? Soul Trap.

Soul Trap is useful until you get Soul Lock, after which I drop it.

Turelus wrote: »

Most everything in the Soul tree.

Soul Summons and Soul Lock are both useful and I wouldn't be without them. Soul Shatter isn't worth anything though.

You're serious? What in the world makes these skills viable to you in comparison to other options?

Soul gem filling? At this point who doesn't have stacks of those everywhere?
Resource return? Come on, we're in the current patch of infinite sustain.
Lower than low damage? Basically every skill in the game that deals damage will deal more damage than this skill.

I think I'm being trolled here.

What other options? You need Soul Summons or filled soul gems to resurrect either yourself or others. You fill soul gems either with Soul Trap or Soul Lock. All very useful. I know who the real troll is here.

You have out trolled me. Touché.

Brrrofski · May 2017

Liofa wrote: »

Malefic Wreath .

I am sure most of you didn't even heard of this skill . Yes , it is a skill in this game . You can use it and all , just like any other skill .

Is that an agony morph?

The base skill isn't even used. Some people troll people on horses with it but that's it.

TheRealPotoroo · May 2017

mtwiggz wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

mtwiggz wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

mtwiggz wrote: »

Most useless skill in the game? Soul Trap.

Soul Trap is useful until you get Soul Lock, after which I drop it.

Turelus wrote: »

Most everything in the Soul tree.

Soul Summons and Soul Lock are both useful and I wouldn't be without them. Soul Shatter isn't worth anything though.

You're serious? What in the world makes these skills viable to you in comparison to other options?

Soul gem filling? At this point who doesn't have stacks of those everywhere?
Resource return? Come on, we're in the current patch of infinite sustain.
Lower than low damage? Basically every skill in the game that deals damage will deal more damage than this skill.

I think I'm being trolled here.

What other options? You need Soul Summons or filled soul gems to resurrect either yourself or others. You fill soul gems either with Soul Trap or Soul Lock. All very useful. I know who the real troll is here.

You have out trolled me. Touché.

I don't troll. OTOH, you try to but you're just not very good at it.

FlyLionel · May 2017

Power Extraction(morph)
Agony
Stone fist(When was this used seriously? And who would use this over Fossalize?)
Crystal Blast(morph)

And equilibrium is very strong on a stam sorcerer(overload bar) or to what others have said on a health build. Super cool ability.

bubbygink · May 2017

Most of the skills mentioned have uses. Equilibrium is great on a stam sorc overload bar - Fengrush uses it all the time. Malefic Wreath is excellent in duels. Soul trap is worthless to a high level player but is actually used by low levels to fill empty soul gems (I used to do it way back when). Some of the "bad morphs" are definitely never used - such as baleful mist and crystal blast but at least those base skills have a very useful morph.

But the one skill that I don't think I have EVER seen either morph used or even mentioned anywhere is Circle of Protection from the fighter's guild line. The skill's base cost is almost 8,000 stamina (nearly the most expensive skill in the game) and the radius is only 5 meters, just melee range. Despite this insanely high cost and tiny radius the effects of the skill are BAD. Maybe somebody has slotted it before when trying to achieve the maximum amount of weapon damage? This skill is so worthless that I think it even flies under the radar for these "worst skill" threads because literally nobody has even heard of it.

Zoner · May 2017

Power extraction and agony are both shite

Apherius · May 2017

CRYSTAL BLAST

this skill is ussless since the beta of teso , seriously ? is there anyone in this world who like to spam a crystal that take 1,5 sec to incant , for do aoe damage ? of course this morph could be useful BUT the other morph is too good for chose the crystal blast .

SHATTERING PRISON

in pve , as a magsorc dps , i know that nobody use this ..."thing"
as a stamsorc tank too , i know that it's useless to deal damage with a tank , it's why i use the other morph that stun add at the end of the skill ... i use this like dk's with their chocking talon , for stuck ennemies when the pack of mobs seems pretty packed .

i don't know if this morph is useful for a PVP boy .

LIGHTNING FLOOD

Pve skill of course, EVERY magsorc dps use the other morph , we don't need to take this morph because 90% of the time ( if you don't play with pug ) the tank pack ennemies , it's why you don't need this morph that increase the radius of 2 meters , especially that the other morph increase the duration of 4 second !

they could make them useful for a tank or a healer ... because with all people who ask for a nerf of our ( stamsorc tank pve ) main ability , this only skill (dark deal ) that make us feel unique and give us an utility ...

subtlezeroub17_ESO · May 2017

-Equilibrium

-Fire rune

-Any CC skill that breaks on damage

-Half of the bow skills

-Igneous rock

I'll think of more...

subtlezeroub17_ESO · May 2017

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

mtwiggz wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

mtwiggz wrote: »

Most useless skill in the game? Soul Trap.

Soul Trap is useful until you get Soul Lock, after which I drop it.

Turelus wrote: »

Most everything in the Soul tree.

Soul Summons and Soul Lock are both useful and I wouldn't be without them. Soul Shatter isn't worth anything though.

You're serious? What in the world makes these skills viable to you in comparison to other options?

Soul gem filling? At this point who doesn't have stacks of those everywhere?
Resource return? Come on, we're in the current patch of infinite sustain.
Lower than low damage? Basically every skill in the game that deals damage will deal more damage than this skill.

I think I'm being trolled here.

What other options? You need Soul Summons or filled soul gems to resurrect either yourself or others. You fill soul gems either with Soul Trap or Soul Lock. All very useful. I know who the real troll is here.

You get like 3 gems just for completing a dungeon. And who dies enough to warrant having to actually fill their own?

Apherius · May 2017

subtlezeroub17_ESO wrote: »

-Equilibrium

-Fire rune

-Any CC skill that breaks on damage

-Half of the bow skills

-Igneous rock

I'll think of more...

Stonefist ? :P

Buffler · May 2017

subtlezeroub17_ESO wrote: »

-Equilibrium

-Fire rune

-Any CC skill that breaks on damage

-Half of the bow skills

-Igneous rock

I'll think of more...

So as discussed above, equilibrium, if you know how to use, esp on a stam sorc is fantastic. Any cc that breaks on damage?? So you're saying fossilise is useless? Lol and igneous rock (i presume you mean igneous shield) gives major mending for 7 seconds.....and thats useless!!!

I hope we meet in Cyrodiil one day lol

timborggrenlarsenb16_ESO · May 2017

1h & shield and HAmor

Runschei · May 2017

agony.

subtlezeroub17_ESO · May 2017

Apherius wrote: »

subtlezeroub17_ESO wrote: »

-Equilibrium

-Fire rune

-Any CC skill that breaks on damage

-Half of the bow skills

-Igneous rock

I'll think of more...

Stonefist ? :P

That's how useless it is, I couldn't even remember the name. But yeah, stone fist. In theory, it's supposed to be a tool for healing DKs but in reality, Healers have too many tools and not enough slots to justify using a heal with a smart target that's not that smart.

Perhaps it has more use in pvp. *shrugs*

Browiseth · May 2017

it's shocking how many awful skills there are

equally shocking is how intent zos is on ensuring they stay that way

subtlezeroub17_ESO · May 2017

Buffler wrote: »

subtlezeroub17_ESO wrote: »

-Equilibrium

-Fire rune

-Any CC skill that breaks on damage

-Half of the bow skills

-Igneous rock

I'll think of more...

So as discussed above, equilibrium, if you know how to use, esp on a stam sorc is fantastic. Any cc that breaks on damage?? So you're saying fossilise is useless? Lol and igneous rock (i presume you mean igneous shield) gives major mending for 7 seconds.....and thats useless!!!

I hope we meet in Cyrodiil one day lol

Funny thing is, I don't pvp and secondly fossilize doesn't count since it doesn't instantly break on damage and also still immobilizes you after it breaks.

RavenRoxie · May 2017

Lyserus wrote: »

^This. I kinda wonder are there skills that are not/rarely used at all because their uselessness in end game （anyform of endgame content）.
The reason I ask this is because I realize there is absolutely no useless class skills for Warden, and that leads to Warden can use only their class skills for build （even only one tree, and the stacking passives will be brutal）.

I wonder has ZOS gave the same Treatment to other classes when they nerf the hell out of them and claim it's for balance

Repentence for magica templars will be soon.
[snip]

[Edit for oversized image]

tonemd · May 2017

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Equilibrium

That is all.

You have clearly never tried to bloodport on a health regen build.

Hmm does equilibrium proc received damage sets?

FlyLionel · May 2017

tonemd wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Equilibrium

That is all.

You have clearly never tried to bloodport on a health regen build.

Hmm, does equilibrium proc received-damage sets?

Damage sets? I know it procs bloodspawn lol, free ult outside of combat

...Used it while waiting for a dungeon queue and was like sweet

Apherius · May 2017

tonemd wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Equilibrium

That is all.

You have clearly never tried to bloodport on a health regen build.

Hmm, does equilibrium proc received-damage sets?

Yes ! Blood Spawn for exemple.

Violynne · May 2017

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

What other options? You need Soul Summons or filled soul gems to resurrect either yourself or others. You fill soul gems either with Soul Trap or Soul Lock. All very useful. I know who the real troll is here.

You do realize the game fills soul gems regardless if you have the skill unlocked, right? If you're using anything less than Grand, I can understand your "need", but that's a waste of a skill point and soul gems. You'll outgrow anything below Grand in 20 minutes.

Back to the topic: it would be easier to list the skills which are useful, because there are only 6.

tonemd · May 2017

Apherius wrote: »

tonemd wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Equilibrium

That is all.

You have clearly never tried to bloodport on a health regen build.

Hmm, does equilibrium proc received-damage sets?

Yes ! Blood Spawn for exemple.

Explains why alot of people still use Bloodspawn in their builds. Thanks.

Tasear · May 2017

Northern_Eve wrote: »

Yes. Inside I cry a little whenever I see a healer using healing ritual (a temp heal) or blood altar (undaunted). :'(

Blood altar is useful now

Apherius · May 2017

tonemd wrote: »

Apherius wrote: »

tonemd wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Equilibrium

That is all.

You have clearly never tried to bloodport on a health regen build.

Hmm, does equilibrium proc received-damage sets?

Yes ! Blood Spawn for exemple.

Explains why alot of people still use Bloodspawn in their builds. Thanks.

personnaly i don't use it . i just tell you an exemple of set which proc with equilibrium .

InnocentOfCrime · May 2017

Violynne wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

What other options? You need Soul Summons or filled soul gems to resurrect either yourself or others. You fill soul gems either with Soul Trap or Soul Lock. All very useful. I know who the real troll is here.

You do realize the game fills soul gems regardless if you have the skill unlocked, right? If you're using anything less than Grand, I can understand your "need", but that's a waste of a skill point and soul gems. You'll outgrow anything below Grand in 20 minutes.

Back to the topic: it would be easier to list the skills which are useful, because there are only 6.

Uh, Grand has been the only type of soul gem since 1T... While if you had them in your inventory you can still have the smaller ones, you can't actually use them to revive.

Also wow, I never knew I was the only person in the game who prefers crystal blast over the other morph. (I really am being serious)

Avalon · May 2017

Browiseth wrote: »

it's shocking how many awful skills there are

equally shocking is how intent zos is on ensuring they stay that way

Oh, 'awful' is another list, much longer. This is for 'useless' which still outnumbers 'useful'

Brutusmax1mus · May 2017

I have a mag Templar who is only using Templar skills. Pvp.

TheRealPotoroo · May 2017

Violynne wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

What other options? You need Soul Summons or filled soul gems to resurrect either yourself or others. You fill soul gems either with Soul Trap or Soul Lock. All very useful. I know who the real troll is here.

You do realize the game fills soul gems regardless if you have the skill unlocked, right? If you're using anything less than Grand, I can understand your "need", but that's a waste of a skill point and soul gems. You'll outgrow anything below Grand in 20 minutes.

Of course I realise, why else would I write in my first post that "Soul Trap is useful until you get Soul Lock, after which I drop it"? But 20 minutes is BS.