*nudge nudge* hey psst, Zos, dark deal.

Nah really, I don't care about the sorcerer master race, just stop beating on nightblades please.

I think magicka sorc deserves a nerf, but imo mag sorc(non pet variant- pet sorc is in duels und 1v1 just absolutelty broken: dmg and defense wise, yeah i tried it and it was funny af) isnt too strong on the offensive, its more the defense. Especially the shuffle, skeleton pirate, 3 shield mag sorc with amberplasm is almost unkillable with most builds. I'd prefered a shield size adjustement or cost increase on shieldcost if stacking shields(so non shield stacking sorcs dont get punished). So probably the frags nerf wont have a big impact and wasnt adressing the problem.
And a nerf of soulassault is needed my necroblade can oneshot almost all medium builds with pressing that button WITHOUT counterplay.

You know why a class seems more powerful than it really is? Because a chunk of good players moves on to the class that has decent power. Doesn't have to be OP, just good.

So a good class goes to great, or even OP in the eyes of the person viewing them in PVE or got beat in PVP - because players confuse the power of a class by mixing the player skill using that class along with the base power of the class.

So when sorcs get inevitably nerfed...again...as it looks like with all the outcry - you know what will happen?

Many players who make the class look better than it is will move on to whatever is the next optimal class. So then that next optimal class will be seen as powerful or OP, and the cycle of nerf cries will continue. Because as long as a big enough chunk of good players move on to whatever is the next optimal class, we will ALWAYS have people getting beat by them (in PVE performance or PVP combat), and hence calls for nerfs confusing the mix of base class power + player skill, rather than what is the base class level.

To be clear - sorcs are a good class, in really good shape atm - not saying they are not - just that skilled players make the class look inflated more than it is.

Take the posts currently trending on this forum, including this one, where people claim in highly disingenuous fashion that sorcs need to be nerfed because they are pulling 50k+ SOLO TARGET.

Sure, there are sorcs who do this, and more. Yet it is not acknowledged that a huge chunk of sorc players don't get anywhere near this. But the call is to nerf all sorcs, because an upper cadre of skilled players with optimal gear achieve this kind of dps. Now if you think even an elite selection should not be able to hit this kind of sustained dps on solo target in trials, ok fair enough - that is your opinion.

But completely misleading and being disingenuous by calling for a nerf of ALL sorcs by implying that it is a matter of routine, that most sorcs can do it (achieve 50k+ solo target), is another thing.

For me it wont matter much. I'm an altaholic and play roughly equal hours on all combos of mag/stam class versions. So I'll just move on to whatever is in good shape. But for those that stick with 1 class primarily, it will just be another round of the perpetual cycle of class nerf because while you can nerf a class, you can't nerf a good player.

Good players will simply adapt and while I'm not saying all good players will move on from the class that just got nerfed, as long as enough of them do, it will simply make whatever is the next optimal class the new poster child for nerf calls as long as enough good players went to that class.

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Feel like sorcs are all ready over crying about this nerf in order to avoid further nerfs. 20k proc frag now does 22k instead of 24k.

Yes this is just so horrible.

If you have no resists on sure. But check out merciless resolve which does crit for those numbers.

Emma_Overload wrote: »

UnversedNumber3 wrote: »

The should leave crystal frag alone. The do need to nerf damage mitigation affecting wards. That will proabably put the world back in balance.

No, I disagree. There are already way too few sets, including virtually NO Heavy Armor sets, that synergize with Sorc abilities. Nerfing the few sets that we can use, like the Pirate set, would be really unfair.

A sorc with amberplasm, shuffle, pirate, 3 wards is tankier than most heavy armor players and its literally the most easy to play gameplay possible. Defense is not rly reactive more like a refresh every 6 sec and if ur not complete garbage dieing vs one player(not having shieldbreaker) is pretty hard.

There is a huge variety of sets u can use, pirate removes variety because its too OP to be missed out.

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

Oh please. Cry me a river. Welcome to magicka nb hell. We've had nothing but nerfs since 1.5/1.6. You get a free double proc curse, rediculous shields, dark deal, and insane burst. You guys crying about a nerf? Lol.

You have those shields as well

Magnb only have access to one shield Dampened magica not counting healing ward which is only useful at low health. Sorc have access to 2 shields Harness ,hardened when they get low health they have access to 3 shields. Only class who has access to three shields are sorcs.