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Crystal Frags getting nerfed from 20% to 10%
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SleepyTroll✭✭✭✭✭
✭SydneyGrey wrote: »
New players don't have the proc morph and new players wont notice them not killing something because a proc now does 10% instead of 20%. They will see the tool tip upon morph choosing and go "WHOA 10% increased damage and reduced cost that's amazing."6 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭QuebraRegra wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Someone needs to train Wrobel how to balance .
might it be time for someone else to take a turn in that role?
Wrobels approach at nerfing to regain balance is pretty outdated . I don't know a lot of MMO players that find fun and enjoyment in relearning base class abilities over and over . Other lead balance Devs have a system of bringing the bottom up in the MMOS I play outside of here . This approach is always leading to huge disruptions in the community and is often tagged with RNG based gear solutions buried in new content that make staying on top a full time job . That audience has dwindled in MMOs . That's why the retention of players here is an ongoing issue every major update . At least that's how I see it .8 -
pj4533✭✭SydneyGrey wrote: »
Pffft, new players hard cast frags. So do a lot of "vets".
Lol. I started the game a few weeks ago, and didn't know I could proc insta-cast crystalfrag till just recently. (you can see it so much more clearly in 3rd person!) Didn't know it did extra damage till I just watched ESO Live and heard it was getting nerfed. Pretty sure us noobs will be fine.
Sad i didn't win a manor though.
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luen79rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Better delete everything and make all classes spam force pulse and that's it.PC/DC/NAserver
V16 sorc - V16 temp - V16 dk - V1 nb - V1 temp - V1 dk1 -
Bramir✭✭✭✭What a joke...so all the non-max CP sorcerers who weren't seeing anywhere near the damage people are exaggerating on the forums just lost the ability to kill anyone unless they get absurdly lucky with procs?
I think I'll try the other morph and just give up on single target damage...3 -
geonsocal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭soon all we'll have left to attack each other is harsh language in chat...Edited by geonsocal on April 28, 2017 8:40PMPVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place5 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Again I'm glad I jumped the ol sorc wagon. It's nice to avoid the hate for once...
Nice to know I'm gonna adjust my PvE build tho, buh bye Fragger, we hardly knew thee0 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I will use the useless argument: The class needed a nerf......
But no for real. Will enjoy the tears (especially the pvp ones)
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bubbygink✭✭✭✭✭What a joke...so all the non-max CP sorcerers who weren't seeing anywhere near the damage people are exaggerating on the forums just lost the ability to kill anyone unless they get absurdly lucky with procs?
I think I'll try the other morph and just give up on single target damage...
Over dramatic much? So you got a 9% nerf to crystal frag damage - not the end of the world. Sorcs just got an 8% single target damage buff from all abilities in the most recent patch.5 -
Bramir✭✭✭✭What a joke...so all the non-max CP sorcerers who weren't seeing anywhere near the damage people are exaggerating on the forums just lost the ability to kill anyone unless they get absurdly lucky with procs?
I think I'll try the other morph and just give up on single target damage...
Over dramatic much? So you got a 9% nerf to crystal frag damage - not the end of the world. Sorcs just got an 8% single target damage buff from all abilities in the most recent patch.
Nah. Actually I misread the thread title and thought they were talking about the proc rate of the insta-cast...if that were the case, I was actually being under-dramatic...
I'm actually fine with this nerf, if it is just the damage bonus being reduced. Not really a big deal...0 -
Akimbro✭✭✭✭It doesn't matter anyway with the heavy attacks you need to do. You're not going to be proc'ing it anyway.ALACRITY Emperors united RIP
LAST PRODIGIES World first SO clear RIP
The last egg in the carton.6 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Also to add my Sorc build does not have one slot with crystal shards on it and it's still going to run over wardens and everyone else because that wasn't the issue with sorcs .
Wrobel should spend a little more time giving back some defenses to the other classes ...7 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »All this does is reinforce the new heavy attack meta they are cramming down our throats. Frags is no longer worth a spot on anyone's bar in PVE. In PVP, burst just got a bit harder to time, but that's about it.
Seriously, who the F is piloting this sinking ship? This is not about one skill or a specific nerf. Sorcs could certainly use their damage toned down a bit, but this doesn't really accomplish that, as it will be 2-3k DPS loss at most if it were live. Frags pulls 4-5k DPS even on ridiculous OP parses, so even a 60% nerf at most is a 3k DPS loss.
This is just one more step down the path of Heavy Attacks Online.
Serious question, are morrowind pre-order refunds available? I am not going to play a game where all I do is hold down the LMB.
Okay, getting some misinformation here. Its not the proc chance that's getting reduced, its the burst damage that's getting reduced. That admittedly makes a lot more sense. Net result is less PVP damage (timing is the same), and still probably removing the skill from our PVE bars. Why run a nerfed frags when you can slot IL, Pet, and Bound aegies all on your front bar to roll with 55k magic for your Heavy Attack Build?
I am not as outraged as I was, but I think the result is the same. Bye bye frags in PVE.0 -
DeadlyPhoenix✭✭✭✭✭Nerf nerf nerfidy nerfed nerfing nerf Nurf the nerfy nerfness.
Please? Thanks
Until PvP and PvE are either completely combined or made completely separate, this is the game we are stuck with....
Or they get rid of their design team....
Or their design team wisen up....
Or they listen more to the community....
Or they listen less to the community....
Or we find a new game....2 -
G0ku✭✭✭✭ppl so stupid, instead of fighting the overall nerfs they gloat at sorcs. I main magTemp btw...- First AD EU Group to finish DSA VET -
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QuebraRegra✭✭✭✭✭
✭soon all we'll have left to attack each other is harsh language in chat...
about that harsh language...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i33DX9Wjd7E 2 -
Shader_Shibes✭✭✭✭✭
✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »All this does is reinforce the new heavy attack meta they are cramming down our throats. Frags is no longer worth a spot on anyone's bar in PVE. In PVP, burst just got a bit harder to time, but that's about it.
Seriously, who the F is piloting this sinking ship? This is not about one skill or a specific nerf. Sorcs could certainly use their damage toned down a bit, but this doesn't really accomplish that, as it will be 2-3k DPS loss at most if it were live. Frags pulls 4-5k DPS even on ridiculous OP parses, so even a 60% nerf at most is a 3k DPS loss.
This is just one more step down the path of Heavy Attacks Online.
Serious question, are morrowind pre-order refunds available? I am not going to play a game where all I do is hold down the LMB.
Okay, getting some misinformation here. Its not the proc chance that's getting reduced, its the burst damage that's getting reduced. That admittedly makes a lot more sense. Net result is less PVP damage (timing is the same), and still probably removing the skill from our PVE bars. Why run a nerfed frags when you can slot IL, Pet, and Bound aegies all on your front bar to roll with 55k magic for your Heavy Attack Build?
I am not as outraged as I was, but I think the result is the same. Bye bye frags in PVE.
Great, so now even more homogenization, this game is heading in a great direction....kappa.1 -
Armann✭✭✭ppl so stupid, instead of fighting the overall nerfs they gloat at sorcs. I main magTemp btw...
Great community, wonder how this forum will look in a few years from now, most would probably turn feral.EU megaserver | XboxNord Nightblade | Ebonheart PactImperial Dragonknight | Ebonheart PactDunmer Sorcerer | Ebonheart PactDunmer Warden | Ebonheart PactOrc Necromancer | Daggerfall CovenantAltmer Templar | Aldmeri Dominion2 -
Takes-No-Prisoner✭✭✭✭✭
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I was hoping this would have beenQuebraRegra wrote: »soon all we'll have left to attack each other is harsh language in chat...
about that harsh language...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i33DX9Wjd7E
Bill Paxton R.I.P
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Peekachu99✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭And now we all writhe in misery together. Love it. Nerf more. All the nerfs. Replace every gold inferno maelstrom destro staff with a broom.
(In all seriousness, I'm amazed they left such a high proc in the game for so long.)2 -
phairdon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭For those calling for shield nerfs. The link below is from last year, when shields were nerfed and sorcerers became the worst class in the game, according to some.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/275210/sorcerer-nerfs
My main two characters are sorcerers and I can live with the change to crystal frags, C'est la vie.Your immersion is breaking my entitlement. Buff Sorc's. Darkshroud the cremator Death by furRubeus BlackFluffy knight BladesThe Fat PantherPsijic Fungal SausageFlesheater the VileCaspian Rafferty FernsbyArchfiend Warlock PiersThe Black BishopEvil Wizard Lizard (EU)Neberra Vestige Fajeon (EU)Salanis Deathstick (EU)Blood Mage Alchemist (EU)0 -
technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Peekachu99 wrote: »And now we all writhe in misery together. Love it. Nerf more. All the nerfs. Replace every gold inferno maelstrom destro staff with a broom.
(In all seriousness, I'm amazed they left such a high proc in the game for so long.)
Kind of amazing they nerf it now when it used to seem to hit for a lot more of peoples hitpoints a long time ago. I can remember 15K hits from a couple of guys0 -
Kalante✭✭✭✭✭
✭Welcome to the nerf train that makes no sense sorcs. As a stam nb i am still amazed how they ruined our siphoning attacks to a useless heal and made it into a stam morph for the one that regenerates stam. Spend stam to gain stam... what the *****.6 -
Flaminir✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I can't see that this is anything other than a cheap knee jerk reaction to the forums where people complained that sorcs didn't get enough of a sustain nerf like everybody else....
So instead they just grab the biggest ability they can find and hit it with a nerf bat...
Its not even in-keeping with their own stated aims of the balance part of this patch... sustain!
As others have said, it won't really affect the dps, and just pushes the class even more into two dimensional heavy attack and/or pet builds.
Which makes it even more obvious that this is just to appease the non-sorcs and make them feel better about the nerfs to their classes.
If it was a proper planned change that had received a lot of thought and was an actual 'design decision' then it would have been in the initial PTS update.
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DragonBound✭✭✭✭✭Welcome to the nerf train that makes no sense sorcs. As a stam nb i am still amazed how they ruined our siphoning attacks to a useless heal and made it into a stam morph for the one that regenerates stam. Spend stam to gain stam... what the *****.
Like I said they only care or pay attention when it comes to their class, many do not seem to care about the bigger picture.2 -
STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭i play sorc as well as the other classes and i am Ok with this change. Fits in with the general aim of lowering average damage.
however, the other morph still needs some reason to be.
i would not mind if shards morph had a lower cast time or no cast time as a single target but that is unlikely. (frags is "effectively" no cast time in any decent rotation especially after they add buff trackers to base game and adds the damage boost and lower cost. )
Honestly i thought they would take away the lower cost on frags proc... the sustain and damage is the thing they are working against.
not a bad start but still plenty of time left.
i doubt we will see much of a cut to shields - given sustain hits impacting shields repeatability.Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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First Law of Nerf-o-Dynamics
"The good way I used to get good kills *with good skill* was good but the way others kill me now is bad."0
