FloppyTouch wrote: »

I'm for the crit on shields does nothing to pve players but makes sorcs less tanky in pvp

Bad suggestion as you would have to enable crit for shields aswell.
Also you would force players into stacking shields more, thinking along the lines: If youcan crit my shield i better run more of them just because a single one is no longer vaible (which would nerf magblade magdk and templar in light more than sorcs - do you really want that?).

Derra wrote: »

t3hdubzy wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

So many idiots in this thread, if you really have a problem with sorcs, put some CP in shattering blows.... that's why it's there.

Roll dodge > shields

Shattering blows isnt great and it reduces damage elsewhere.

Dodge roll doesnt dodge all damage and cant be used pre emptively. It also doesnt allow you to go on the offensive while playing defense simultaneously.


I disagree.

1 attacker: shields beat dodge 95% of the time.
2 or more attackers: dodge and block provide better results

But hey - i agree hardened + harness should not be athing, aswell as pirate skeleton. Nothing to do with "sorc shields" though.

this so much. my chars are both favored by the meta atm, but my stamplar currently has a much easier time 1v3+'ing than my magsorc (except if I count eye of the noob + vd'ing breaches but imho, that almost never really 1v something - even if you inc alone, it isn't).

that said, i think my stamplar build is significantly better than anything on yt (sure that my be personal preference, but for me personally, there's little doubt) whereas my sorc is just the usual cookie cutter for solo play (only proud of my 0-damage negate/encase/purge bot build for guild zergs)

@LegendaryMage lolz, cmon, that is just so much overkill

@Minalan brother, so true! Mass Sorcs in Azura is just free AP. In large battles just focus those Sorcs that are too busy killing stuff - cast curse, proc frag, heavy attack, release and fury... +1000 AP. It is just ridiculous. In small scale you just focus someone then suddenly focus sorcs, kill him in 4 seconds and "next".

You know that if you don't attack sorcs - they apply only one shield that is cheaper and it lasts only 6 seconds? CC him when shiled is on 4-5 seconds. I hope everyone can count to 6. I have no problem fragging DK with wings counting to 4...

Derra wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

I'm for the crit on shields does nothing to pve players but makes sorcs less tanky in pvp

Bad suggestion as you would have to enable crit for shields aswell.
Also you would force players into stacking shields more, thinking along the lines: If youcan crit my shield i better run more of them just because a single one is no longer vaible (which would nerf magblade magdk and templar in light more than sorcs - do you really want that?).

I don't use shields as a mdk and no they don't need to enable shields to crit that's just weird. And sorcs already useing max shields in pvp them spamming them even more just runs them out of magic faster.

Doing nothing is worst

Not all do run max shields - and your suggestion would force the ones not doing it into doing it. Also a mechanic needs to work consistently with other mechanics - if crits are enabled that goes both ways.
That´s the reason why it is a bad suggestion.

One shield per bar restriction? It is something...

Again, wards are only better than heals if you have less than 22k resist (after debuffs)

Making crits on shields is a horrible idea, if you do there is no point to run them.

Armor mitigation, and impen would​ need to apply to even be comparable.

Plus splash DMG crits.

Ashamray wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

So many idiots in this thread, if you really have a problem with sorcs, put some CP in shattering blows.... that's why it's there.

Roll dodge > shields

Yes, roll dodge is so strong that I see Medium Armor all day lon~
Oh.

Oh wait for the update

Barbardin wrote: »

And it is pretty funny how in this game a magica class can just stand on one spot, casting whatever they want, not trying to be mobile, while stamina class is another story...

I play a mix of a tank and dps sorc and I tend to move around a lot and depend on my boundless storm speed buff sometimes. How would you propose a stamina class that isn't very mobile other than an archer? Also all classes have class skills that use magicka and have magicka builds.

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a1i3nz wrote: »

Lol they need to nerf sorc in a lot of ways obviously look at Cyrodiil and why every pug is playing them. Can you go 10 feet without being hit by 3 curses and mages wrath lol. Then when you engage they shield up and run.

At least permablockers you can just fear and they don't have 20k shields still up.

So you are complaining about Sorcs that stack Curses and run away from you? That almost sounds as though the problem would be solved by making Curse unstackable alone.

Juhasow wrote: »

Valera Progib wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Valera Progib wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

There could be some Major/Minor debuff category that lowers shields strenght imo. Lets say 12-15% for major and 5-8 % for minor. The thing about ballance is which skill or set would get that debuff.

Melee shieldbreaker is not very effective. Get lightning staff shield breaker - that is the real OP stuff. Infused with oblivion enchant as LegMage suggested and be the real

Belive me it is. This setup You talking about is just troll one and You'll die agaisnt anyone else except sheildstacking sorc without brain. We're talking about universal solution for shields problem that will slightly make You more effective agaisnt shieldstackers (without going fully in build with only 1 destination that wont work in other scenarios) but also wont make shield users completly without defense.

Melee shieldbreaker is useless, I do not believe you. You need light attacks and you need to be constantly in melee range with shielded enemy = useless. Lightning or resto staff shiedlbreaker is 100 times more effective, it is just a fact, not an argument...

Yeah but with my build I can be competitive against everyone else. I keep sorc in trap so he need to drain resources to move from my range and if he does this I cant just use gap closer. In You lightning staff build You can just fight agaisnt shieldstacking mag sorc. What is the problem for skilled player to be in melee range with enemie ? Like i said 90% of sorcerers dont know what to do if they'll meet enemie who knows how to fight them and also can do dmg under shields. In my setup I can eat sorc mines and not even feel this in Your setup you'll kill or be killed in 3 seconds if enemie will do burst combo properly. I am talking about real working setup for open PvP You're talking about troll setup maded against 1 certain build.

This guy is correct. If you really want to kill sorcs, something like a variation on Alcast's bow gank build with lightning staff on the back bar works the best. Lightning staff tics every half second or so, and each tic procs shieldbreaker, but you give up to much if you are running a balanced PvP stam spec.

Even the bow build has become something of an art because sorcs have adapted. They now typically run the cc proc ability and the best stealth finder in the game (hurricane or it's magicka version). However, even for the sorcs that have shielding that puts them at over 40k effective health, you can launch 2 snipes from range before having to cc break. That will get through the shields and maybe half their health. The trick is then to switch to lightning staff and burn them down. If they put up shields and streak at you like a boss, breathe a sigh of relief, it's over. If they streak away and heal up, use that time to reposition and stealth, you aren't going to kill that one solo.

The result of this sort of spec is that it has reduced the number of 1v4-5 sorcs roaming around that tank like a boss. As far as troll builds go, if they wear heavy armor and impen, or have 30k health, you skip them as a target. This spec is much more effective when not used solo, but you typically are just going to dictate the type of fight and not necessarily kill any sorcs.

What kind of sorc builds are so superior then? Facts always help the cause. And provide me a cheat sheet.

Biro123 wrote: »

pkuronen wrote: »

What kind of sorc builds are so superior then? Facts always help the cause. And provide me a cheat sheet.

Its the ones that have that elusive sharpened BSW inferno staff, and along with BSW use necropotence, lich(or amberplasm) and pirate skelly for massive deeps, constant regen huge shields and major protection..

Then for skills, they are using frags/wrath/Curse for burst, CS for anytime, a pet (double slotted for that necropotence bonus), bound Aegis(double slotted) for more max mag, all three shields - and lets not forget the mobility - boundless AND streak.. Dark Conversion too - cos that's OP - oh - and a source of major sorcery - so power surge - and we need to empower those frags too - and more max mag/crit - so inner light.... And defensive rune for a bit of ganker defence, not to mention either Ele drain or using spinners as well. EOTS and Negate - oh, and encase too to keep them in that bubble.

Yeah, those are the ones that are over-performing - the ones that do all that.

How can you fit all that to a one sorc? The limit of 5 hits hard on that. And frags are usable only when proc happens to come by? Also wrath is a fire cracker unless target under 20% health?

pkuronen wrote: »

What kind of sorc builds are so superior then? Facts always help the cause. And provide me a cheat sheet.

5 bsw / 5 lich / 2 pirate skeleton. It's by far the most dominant open world PvP build. You are basically unkillable by one player