How do I counter a magicka sorcerer???

Casterial · April 2017

Araviel2 wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

Araviel2 wrote: »

you are talking to Dracane you know,,,,, best pet sorc EU

Pet sorc? Didn't even know they were viable.

imho they barely are, but that just makes Dracane even more awesome.

your friend in the video is pulling about 6600 dps by the way. you know - you start calculating dps from the time he pulls the trigger to the moment that the hit actually lands.

but lets not derail this thread any further.

DPS is calculated from the time the mob is pulled.
damage*fire rate/60
22k*1.1 second / 60

First hit is often the "free damage"

DHale · April 2017

Put 30 points into shattering blows and make sure you run a two hander. You must have rally and vigor up at all times.

kyle.wilson · April 2017

jakeyura wrote: »

I'm a stamblade cp 330 and literally can't do anything vs a sorc. If I fight a level 600 in Cyrodiil 1v1 I get insta-killed by crystal frags.

I have 2000 recovery, 4K weapon damage, over 12k penetration, 34k max Stam, 42% crit, and 24k health.

My ult is useless, every time I cloak crystal frags takes me out half a second later, fear is ok but I'm always dead before I can get their stamina down. I just don't understand how I can have no counter at all and be out sustained against magicka sorcs.

The funny thing is they're getting buffed next patch by being the only class to not get nerfed.

Is this one of those if you can't beat them join them deals? Will everyone in pvp be running a magicka sorcerer next patch?

That really sounds like a gank build (I'm assuming by those numbers that you are running alchemist) A sorc that doesn't know a gank is about to occur wont have all the shields and stuff up. So get ganking, and burst them down before they can even breathe.

Tasear · April 2017

Funny thing ...When I see nightblade in cydrolli I just streak. That class is scary.

max_only · April 2017

jakeyura wrote: »

I'm a stamblade

Say no more buddy, say no more.

newtinmpls · April 2017

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

The best way is to ask a friend who plays sorc to duel you many times over and over to help you practice and adjust to fighting sorcs..

wow, that's a really good idea

DanaDark · April 2017

Rock Paper Scissors.

Solution: don't go alone.

You cannot expect to be able to have the advantage over everyone.

IlCanis_LupuslI · April 2017

DanaDark wrote: »

Rock Paper Scissors.

Solution: don't go alone.

You cannot expect to be able to have the advantage over everyone.

Im also a stamblade not a usual stamblade Setup sofar i havent seen one even close to simular. I like fighting sorcs, hate fighting magblade and stamblade permacloakers.
A sorc camping his mines and using all pets pretty much counters all my mooves so in that situation I just focus on keeping my resources up and sloly kiting him to a spot where either friendly players are or adds distract him and i can get away.
If he's just a shieldstacker I transform and keep the pressure up(the trick is to double the pressure when the poisons proc so,he rinses his magica(having 35k spellresistance transformed also helps a bit XD). Also staying in his face helps mosts sorcs try to keep their distance, if they come closer expect a destro ult and prepare to stun him and get out of there fast. But against Petbuild lightning staff heavy attack spmming sorcs I just retreat cause there is now way I can get past their defence (mines and pets, destro ults, shields) but usually they don't doo much damage if you make sure to keep the pets stunned....

Kammakazi · April 2017

Didgerion · April 2017

jakeyura wrote: »

I'm a stamblade cp 330 and literally can't do anything vs a sorc. If I fight a level 600 in Cyrodiil 1v1 I get insta-killed by crystal frags.

I have 2000 recovery, 4K weapon damage, over 12k penetration, 34k max Stam, 42% crit, and 24k health.

My ult is useless, every time I cloak crystal frags takes me out half a second later, fear is ok but I'm always dead before I can get their stamina down. I just don't understand how I can have no counter at all and be out sustained against magicka sorcs.

The funny thing is they're getting buffed next patch by being the only class to not get nerfed.

Is this one of those if you can't beat them join them deals? Will everyone in pvp be running a magicka sorcerer next patch?

Timing is the answer. You have to wait for the opportunity to catch the sorc shieldless and you can stun and kill him.

But you don't really need to face Sorcs in 1v1 fights - that's their strongest play-style. The sorcs are as defenseless against NB gang attaks - you just two shot'em.

grim_tactics · April 2017

I know people love to pic on Sorcs but the finger can be pointed the other way as well.

I've been ganked by solo nightblades and killed before I ever finished falling off my mount. I've been feared to death (one of the most buggy things to break in this game) by them because of running out of Stam and by just pure DPS. Let's also not forget the hit then stealth and run faster than a max level mount can and get away. You can still stun from stealth too as long as they don't have the proper Mage light counter slotted.

I've ran into 1v1 situations against DKs that root and then hit the hell out of me with damage that spamming shields worked until cost poisons ran me out.

I've also just given up on 1v1ing some DKs because of infinite sustain where their health never falls below 60%.

The key to beating a Sorc is to know their rotations because, as mentioned earlier, they are usually the same. Something along the lines of shield, curse, spammable, execute, c-frag, repeat.

The most annoying fight mechanic for a Sorc is watching most of what you cast be dodged or reflected back in my face.

Run them out of resources with poisons or burst them down when their shield falls because we can not break CC but a couple times and we are screwed.

Just pick your fights wisely and practice against friends by dueling.

Have a good friend I beat all the time for a good while and now I can't beat him to save my life when he runs his DK.

I understand the hate that Sorcs get but they can be easily countered if you know what you are doing.

Nightblades still scare the hell out of me though.

Kay1 · April 2017

I can literally smoke any Sorcerer almost flawlessly.

If you are not from my server I can tell you my tips.

Make sure you send me a private message here with your sets

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Dragonnord · April 2017

Use a DK and they will run like hell.

ku5h · April 2017

Casterial wrote: »

More sorc's booties got tickled here than in cyrodiil.

Why are you surprised, when you'r making statements like "Sorc can do 50k dps vs player", which has no basis in reality.

ParaNostram · April 2017

Make them waste their stamina. When they run out of stamina and their shield is down or almost down, that's when you lay in the burst and hope they die. Play smart, if the fight isn't going your way disengage. They will either waste their magicka or stamina chasing you if they're greedy. If they're not, well, just wait and try again at the opportune moment.

Pet sorc build? Kill the healing pet then keep the pressure on so they can never resummon it. They're going to want to resummon it. It's how people get me.

Edit for clarrification: If they have no stamina they can't CC break and if they can't CC break you can with proper burst take them down before fear is up.

FlyLionel · April 2017

I've been a main stamina NB since release in pvp and I could not disagree anymore to what the sorc? @Emma_Overload stated.

"Your build is fine. The problem is that you're getting into drawn out fights with sorcs in the first place. What you need to be doing is sneaking up on them and attacking out of stealth with Surprise Attack, Incapacitating Strike and all those cheesy proc sets like Viper that stamblades use. The point is to kill them before they even know what's going on.

Seriously, stamblades have been the deadliest class since Imperial City dropped, and nothing has really happened to change that."

Yes his build is very good(Would be better to get the exact setup with the numbers). Telling someone their build is fine and then deducing that to using 'cheesy proc sets that stamblades use'? Clearly you don't play stam blade at a certain level above meta bs if you'll box them into that corner whilst telling the OP what he needs to do is sneak and attack out of stealth? Just to have a chance? And you have the nerve to say stamblades are the deadliest class since IC dropped? In terms of what? Ganking? All I got to say to that is Magic Nightblade super linear bombblade TG update(Any magic user running proxy). People like you help the cause on why you'll never see consistency with Stam NB(NB in general actually) at the higher end of pvp because you just don't know. I remember a time when we never had stam ultimates/high end proc sets and we could still go toe to toe with a magic sorcerer because we could control the fight 100% Nightblade is the weakest class in 1v1 and has been since either magdk or stam sorc got their well deserved buffs. If the OP at 330 CP is fighting 600CP Sorc like this and not fighting with a zombie meta gank style I applaud that. Very happy to see newer players or just low levels playing NB like this; Unfortunately we're thee worst class at fighting this way but we can get it done(Buff please).

@IzakiBrotherSs Already had the answer damn near everything. With that being said fighting a mine camping sorcerer who runs tri stat food + immovable pots..yeah good luck for everyone.

Beardimus · April 2017

First of all, anyone double your CP is gunna be a challenge,and second any decent player is a challenge in any class.

To answer directly, CC them. Fear, stun, knockdown ahwtavwr as they have low stamina, wards are gone in seconds and they re very dead as no impen.

Countering sorcs is the easiest counter in my opinion.

laksikus · April 2017

I have screens of my nightblade doing 200k+ dps in pvp for the span of 2s before i died.
And doing 30k dps on a perfectly executed gank isnt Too hard either.

But none of this can be done by a mag sorc or any class in openworld non ganked fights

jlboozer · April 2017

With your thumb skill...

Ocelot9x · April 2017

What sorc says: its easy to counter us,our burst is predictable, and we run out of stam really fast.

What my experience says: the only way to kill 1v1 a sorc is to be way better than him. Shields will counter any burst. If you play vs a sorc with a pair of hands and a decent build he will never run out of resources. You can try using bow ultimate (ballista). Combined with a cc is really effective on shield stackers

OdinForge · April 2017

As a stambnb at your CP level, I wouldn't expect to kill any half decent Sorc 1v1. Your best bet is to just drop a shadow image somewhere, lure the Sorc around a corner and pull some jukes to escape.

Irregardless of what everyone here is telling you, a Sorc in a 1v1 is a losing battle (especially if the Sorc has pirate skeleton 2P, and/or if you're in medium armor). At best you will have a very long drawn out and tedious fight probably using a build that can sustain, but never enough damage. And this isn't 1.5 anymore, in a 1v1 you don't run even decent Sorcerers out of stamina anymore as sustain and defense is a huge problem.

In truth at close to max CP there are quite a few different sets out there that will allow you to fight Sorcs easier, but is it worth it?

GreenhaloX · April 2017

Create a hybrid dps/tank.. yes, really. Good stuff. Them sorc don't know what hit them. Thinking they're just up against a generally low-dpsing and high hp tank where they can chip away the hp.

CyrusArya · April 2017

Despite what it may seem like, magicka sorcerer is the most easily countered class because not only is it the most predictable class but also the class that allows the most counterplay, defensively speaking. This is because besides curse, literally everything else is blockable, dodgeable, and telegraphed. If you know how to counter a sorc, it will be a long protracted fight every single time. If you don't, you're gonnna get stomped and respawn on the forums crying about how OP Sorc is.

The single best advice I can give is to learn how sorc works. Either by playing one or dueling extensively vs one. Once you figure out how the class functions and how they line up their burst, you can prevent it.

SublimeSparo · April 2017

Exhibit A: Raid buffed magicka Sorc in BiS all gold gear

Exhibit B: self buffed Stam NB goodish gear all purple including weapons

Jsmalls · April 2017

Mag Sorcs are pretty much a hard counter to Stam NBs just like DKs can be a hard counter to Mag Sorcs (wings up, sorry but not bursting you with a curse with your 30k resists and 27k health).

The best Stam blades I've fought will cloak and roll every frag, and really pressure my stamina with fear and incaps. If you catch a Sorc with their shield down, it's literally Ambush>Incap>Surprise Attack. If you fight a sorc that doesn't let his shields down in a 1v1 they are VERY hard to beat.

Izaki · April 2017

Casterial wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

You don't. You die, they're nearly 2x stronger than most. Some pull 40-50k DPS on players... Thats 40k - 50k Damage Per Second against players. They're very strong, but ZOS nerfed Templars over them, when Sorc's have skills that are identical and need the same nerf, etc.

LOL, this is straight up lies. Nobody is pulling those numbers in PvP.

My friend sure did, multiple times. Its so easy to get 6k+ weapon / spell damage and 35k+ magicka. Easily. The 50% damage nerf is great, Sorc's can pull 150k+ outside of PVP, can easily pull that in PVP unless full heavy, impen, blocking.

Show me a video of a Sorcerer pulling 150k+ outside of PvP. Please do.

6k+ spell damage? Show me that too please. Has to be maintainable, not just for a few seconds. 35k magicka... Gratz you've just shown that you don't know what you're talking about. A sorc with a normal setup (at least 3 magicka boni, full CP, all points into magicka and full magicka enchants) has about 39k magicka. So if you think that 35k is a lot and that 150k DPS is possible and that Sorcs are pulling 40-50k DPS in PVP... well yeah, I don't think that you know what you're talking about

Brutusmax1mus · April 2017

I think the is a huge problem with multiple sorcs using atros and resto ultimates. They get a huge dmg bonus with those ultimates together. My Templar buddy and i faught 3 sorcs doing this yesterday. They are unkillable. Pirate Skeleton, shield stacking, curse layering, endless fury piling, wrecking balls. One guy crit me for a 10.8 CURSE!! I'm in 2.8k crit res, 21k spell armor with minor protection up.

One of the fights was 3 course going off at once with a frag and endless fury. I can't mitigate over 20k of the damage any more than i could have, and the frag which was blocked procd the endless fury. It's nuts how strong they are when grouped.

If curse can be stacked, they need to be blockable again.

waterfairy · April 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL8e2ujXe8g

Seriously stop the damn whining. So someone is better then you in pvp and you can't beat them...there's other worse players that could say the same about you.
The complaints and the class nerfs are literally killing this game for me, pretty soon I won't want to play anymore. If many people are pushed away then who's left to fight in pvp? The same meta abusers that can't be beat.

Izaki · April 2017

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

I think the is a huge problem with multiple sorcs using atros and resto ultimates. They get a huge dmg bonus with those ultimates together. My Templar buddy and i faught 3 sorcs doing this yesterday. They are unkillable. Pirate Skeleton, shield stacking, curse layering, endless fury piling, wrecking balls. One guy crit me for a 10.8 CURSE!! I'm in 2.8k crit res, 21k spell armor with minor protection up.

One of the fights was 3 course going off at once with a frag and endless fury. I can't mitigate over 20k of the damage any more than i could have, and the frag which was blocked procd the endless fury. It's nuts how strong they are when grouped.

If curse can be stacked, they need to be blockable again.

Well... No one used to have this problem back in the day, when Curse was still Velocious (and not Haunting), it could stack and it was unblockable...

Kay1 · April 2017

Lol the nonsense I'm seeing here.

I would like to see a real footage of you guys pulling 100-150k DPS.