How do I counter a magicka sorcerer???

Tan9oSuccka

Eye of the storm Sorcerers are getting out of hand. Maximum cheese.

Sick of those brain dead monkeys in PVP.

SublimeSparo

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Eye of the storm Sorcerers are getting out of hand. Maximum cheese.

Sick of those brain dead monkeys in PVP.

Yea almost getting as bad as permablock dks, permablock healplars, bombblades, and 1 shot gankbkades

br0steen

Casterial wrote: »

You don't. You die, they're nearly 2x stronger than most. Some pull 40-50k DPS on players... Thats 40k - 50k Damage Per Second against players. They're very strong, but ZOS nerfed Templars over them, when Sorc's have skills that are identical and need the same nerf, etc.

lol I would like to see some video evidence of this. 50k dps on a player. So sorcs pull 100k dps in pve environments.

or did you mean burst? because that's completely different. I would still like to see a sorc throw a 50k burst within a second.


For almost a year no one complained about sorcs in pvp and now all of a sudden because they are showing up in everybody's death recap they are op.

What's super ironic about this post is that not too long ago everybody was complaining about stamblades in pvp because that's what showed up in everybody's death recap.


Every single time I see people complain about certain classes in pvp all I see is this:
"My build and playing ability is flawless if it wasn't for __________ being way too op I wouldn't ever be defeated."

Brutusmax1mus

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

I think the is a huge problem with multiple sorcs using atros and resto ultimates. They get a huge dmg bonus with those ultimates together. My Templar buddy and i faught 3 sorcs doing this yesterday. They are unkillable. Pirate Skeleton, shield stacking, curse layering, endless fury piling, wrecking balls. One guy crit me for a 10.8 CURSE!! I'm in 2.8k crit res, 21k spell armor with minor protection up.

One of the fights was 3 course going off at once with a frag and endless fury. I can't mitigate over 20k of the damage any more than i could have, and the frag which was blocked procd the endless fury. It's nuts how strong they are when grouped.

If curse can be stacked, they need to be blockable again.

Well... No one used to have this problem back in the day, when Curse was still Velocious (and not Haunting), it could stack and it was unblockable...

I met be recalling this wrong. But i remember curse being over written by another player, then they made them blockable and stackable, then to combat the permablock problem it became unblockable. There was a huge stink about it in the list major class rebalance about 4 sorcs being able to wreck Stam classes with timing curse. Mag has shields so it's not an issue.

The problem is not that they stack, the problem is there is 0 REALISTIC counterplay for stamina characters. And yes, it does take coordination, but no more then a few words. ALMOST everything has counterplay for stamina and for magicka. Magicka has shields for just about everything though.

And no it's not that common, but it's going to be more and more.

Neoauspex

Spell Wall

Violynne

DanaDark wrote: »

I remember a time when we never had stam ultimates/high end proc sets and we could still go toe to toe with a magic sorcerer because we could control the fight 100%

You make it sound like this has changed, and now it's my turn to disagree.

Nightblade is the weakest class in 1v1 and has been since either magdk or stam sorc got their well deserved buffs.

This is crap and I wish people would stop stating it like it was true. Yes, on paper, it may look like the stamBlade is the worst class in the game.

But here's the thing about paper numbers: they don't mean a damn thing in the game.

About two weeks ago, I was in Belkarth to turn in my daily writs. I heard the duel flag hit the ground and turned to see a 600 stamBlade going against a 600 magSorc (and if any of you two are reading this and you were in Belkarth about 2 weeks ago on XB1 NA, please share your thoughts).

I watched in fascination because I play both characters. I generally watch 600s duel because many are good a what they do. This fight was definitely no exception.

The two sparred against each other which resulted in a draw. They fought again, and the second also resulted in a draw, as well as the third. The 4th fight finally declared a winner and I'm sure most would believe it was the magSorc.

Nope, the stamBlade won. Why? Because the player completely changed the way they were fighting. About halfway into the fight, the stamBlade simply stopped moving. At first, I thought they appeared stunned. Apparently, so did the magSorc, who let their guard down to go in for the kill. Prior to the first strike, the stamBlade quickly went to shadow and the next thing I saw was a magSorc going white.

Killed by stealth.

It was the most awesome fight I had ever seen. Not only that, it proved no matter what your gear, no matter what your stats, skill is everything.

This player took an uncommon risk to lure their opponent and it worked. Tell me, what set gives people this ability? The stamBlade clearly understood their skills were on par, and decided to change tactics to win the duel.

The area chat was quickly filled with accolades for the stamBlade. Well deserved indeed.

But the most important element of this match up was to show that, all things being equal, the game was balanced.

I cannot express how frustrated I get when magSorcs, with their potions and spells to prevent ganking, complain when they get ganked because they weren't using their arsenal. In PvP, a warzone doesn't give anyone the right to complain against 1 hit kills. If you can't sustain, don't blame the game or the other player. Who goes into a zone as a sorc and not cast spells to protect themselves? Amateurs.

Now I see the patch notes are going to take away crit hits on stamBlades on shadow strikes. If this proceeds as written, then yes, stamBlades will have their claws removed and turned into kittens, as their most powerful element of surprise attack will be removed because too many people can't play a magSorc correctly.

Balance is never about one class overpowering another. It's about ensuring that, when all things are equal, one is not stronger than the other, meaning a player's skill on playing the class determines victory or loss.

Buff stamBlades? Nerf magSorcs? No. Here's a better idea: L2P. That's what I'm doing and I'll admit it's not easy, but if I'm ever to be as good as some of the players I see, then it's certainly no fault of the game that I can't be.

LadyLavina

crowd control , DoTs, Shield Breaker, cost poisons ,


or Nuclear Weapons.

Chrlynsch

I werewolf out and eat their faces

Surak73

Casterial wrote: »

You don't. You die, they're nearly 2x stronger than most. Some pull 40-50k DPS on players... Thats 40k - 50k Damage Per Second against players. They're very strong, but ZOS nerfed Templars over them, when Sorc's have skills that are identical and need the same nerf, etc.

Yes, yes... And once I saw a magsorc becoming emperor taking by himself the six keeps. All at the same time...

UnversedNumber3

Surak73 wrote: »

Yes, yes... And once I saw a magsorc becoming emperor taking by himself the six keeps. All at the same time...

I was there and can confirm. Pls nerf ZOS

Drishtan

Juhasow wrote: »

jakeyura wrote: »

I'm a stamblade cp 330 and literally can't do anything vs a sorc. If I fight a level 600 in Cyrodiil 1v1 I get insta-killed by crystal frags.

I have 2000 recovery, 4K weapon damage, over 12k penetration, 34k max Stam, 42% crit, and 24k health.

My ult is useless, every time I cloak crystal frags takes me out half a second later, fear is ok but I'm always dead before I can get their stamina down. I just don't understand how I can have no counter at all and be out sustained against magicka sorcs.

The funny thing is they're getting buffed next patch by being the only class to not get nerfed.

Is this one of those if you can't beat them join them deals? Will everyone in pvp be running a magicka sorcerer next patch?

Not getting direct class nerf doesnt mean You get buffed. There are non class related things that will hit sorcs the most.

LMFAO You an idiot....Non class nerfs apply to all so everyone is hurt not only sorcs....Please go back to school.

Wreuntzylla

RANKK7 wrote: »

Oh yes, "how do I counter" is the same question I ask myself when I get shot by an invisible opponent with a bow and I'm dead straight after falling from the horse since there is no way to move or react.

Truly it seems a recurring question in this game, though (opposite as me) you can definitely get valid answers, you got them already.

Many sorcerers underestimate the need of boosting stamina and that's easily a death sentence.
Yes, we magicka based must boost stamina losing dps in order to break free and roll dodge to survive, while a pure stamina user have no need whatsoever to boost magicka for so fatal reason, game balance.

You have to understand, I only kill bad people on their horse.

I kill good people as they come out the door. They never expect it.

gediv2

When I confront a Sorc I yell "pew! pew! pew!" hoping he'll lol and drop his gamepad. Then I swoop in for the kill!