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How do I counter a magicka sorcerer???
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✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »I'm a stamblade cp 330 and literally can't do anything vs a sorc. If I fight a level 600 in Cyrodiil 1v1 I get insta-killed by crystal frags.
I have 2000 recovery, 4K weapon damage, over 12k penetration, 34k max Stam, 42% crit, and 24k health.
My ult is useless, every time I cloak crystal frags takes me out half a second later, fear is ok but I'm always dead before I can get their stamina down. I just don't understand how I can have no counter at all and be out sustained against magicka sorcs.
The funny thing is they're getting buffed next patch by being the only class to not get nerfed.
Is this one of those if you can't beat them join them deals? Will everyone in pvp be running a magicka sorcerer next patch?
Your build is fine. The problem is that you're getting into drawn out fights with sorcs in the first place. What you need to be doing is sneaking up on them and attacking out of stealth with Surprise Attack, Incapacitating Strike and all those cheesy proc sets like Viper that stamblades use. The point is to kill them before they even know what's going on.
Seriously, stamblades have been the deadliest class since Imperial City dropped, and nothing has really happened to change that.
Sorcerer can use defensive rune and hence make any single gank attempt failed one.Edited by Enslaved on April 24, 2017 10:13AM3 -
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✭Emma_Overload wrote: »You don't. You die, they're nearly 2x stronger than most. Some pull 40-50k DPS on players... Thats 40k - 50k Damage Per Second against players. They're very strong, but ZOS nerfed Templars over them, when Sorc's have skills that are identical and need the same nerf, etc.
LOL, this is straight up lies. Nobody is pulling those numbers in PvP.
My friend sure did, multiple times. Its so easy to get 6k+ weapon / spell damage and 35k+ magicka. Easily. The 50% damage nerf is great, Sorc's can pull 150k+ outside of PVP, can easily pull that in PVP unless full heavy, impen, blocking.Daggerfall Covenant:Casterial Stamplar || Casterial DK || Availed NB || Castyrial Sorc || Spooky Casterial Necro
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✭Emma_Overload wrote: »You don't. You die, they're nearly 2x stronger than most. Some pull 40-50k DPS on players... Thats 40k - 50k Damage Per Second against players. They're very strong, but ZOS nerfed Templars over them, when Sorc's have skills that are identical and need the same nerf, etc.
LOL, this is straight up lies. Nobody is pulling those numbers in PvP.
Yea that must've been a bad joke.
Nobody in pvp stands still. People in pvp block, shield, dodge and run around plus you only deal half damage in pvp.
I sometimes deal like 5-7k dps on a player depending on the duration of the fight and that's a lot if you consider that players only have 20-30k health.
Ever get 1shot by a nightblade? Sorc's are stronger than them. Look up Icy's vid of his DK doing 20k heavy destros. Not everybody is running fully heavy, or spamming dodge rolls. Thats more advanced meta than the scrubs we see daily in Cyrodiil.Edited by Casterial on April 24, 2017 10:16AMDaggerfall Covenant:Casterial Stamplar || Casterial DK || Availed NB || Castyrial Sorc || Spooky Casterial Necro
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Brockahly✭✭My pvp mag sorc is literally set up gear and skill wise to counter stam blades, not a single thing they do can kill me. I got so sick and tired of being ganked by nightblades I had to do something, now I just shield, throw down mines use curse and healing ward.1
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✭✭✭✭Depends on the sorc build. But simply installing miats totally counters their burst. As a DW sorc, it's very easy to see who is using this addon..
People always say that good sorcs always time their frags with curse... Not true. They may do that first, but if the frags keep getting dodged, its either a good opponent or an add-on. So then intentionally staggering the frag from the curse can tell you which.
Honestly though, at the moment, i find stamblades to by my easiest opponents. Some snb templars are hell though.. Every frag gets reflected, every curse purged or healed through..
Reflect is rlly nasty vs DW sorcs. Getting cc'd and shields removed by your own empowered frag can be a death sentence to an opponent ready to capitalise on it.Edited by Biro123 on April 24, 2017 10:20AMMinalan owes me a beer.
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✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »You don't. You die, they're nearly 2x stronger than most. Some pull 40-50k DPS on players... Thats 40k - 50k Damage Per Second against players. They're very strong, but ZOS nerfed Templars over them, when Sorc's have skills that are identical and need the same nerf, etc.
LOL, this is straight up lies. Nobody is pulling those numbers in PvP.
My friend sure did, multiple times. Its so easy to get 6k+ weapon / spell damage and 35k+ magicka. Easily. The 50% damage nerf is great, Sorc's can pull 150k+ outside of PVP, can easily pull that in PVP unless full heavy, impen, blocking.
My last hope is to assume, that you're speaking about possible aoe dps.Auri-El is my lord,
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Casterial✭✭✭✭✭
✭Emma_Overload wrote: »You don't. You die, they're nearly 2x stronger than most. Some pull 40-50k DPS on players... Thats 40k - 50k Damage Per Second against players. They're very strong, but ZOS nerfed Templars over them, when Sorc's have skills that are identical and need the same nerf, etc.
LOL, this is straight up lies. Nobody is pulling those numbers in PvP.
My friend sure did, multiple times. Its so easy to get 6k+ weapon / spell damage and 35k+ magicka. Easily. The 50% damage nerf is great, Sorc's can pull 150k+ outside of PVP, can easily pull that in PVP unless full heavy, impen, blocking.
My last hope is to assume, that you're speaking about possible aoe dps.
Please step inside Cyrodiil, go fight a sorc like Count, or German and watch as they devour zergs.. lmao.Daggerfall Covenant:Casterial Stamplar || Casterial DK || Availed NB || Castyrial Sorc || Spooky Casterial Necro
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✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »You don't. You die, they're nearly 2x stronger than most. Some pull 40-50k DPS on players... Thats 40k - 50k Damage Per Second against players. They're very strong, but ZOS nerfed Templars over them, when Sorc's have skills that are identical and need the same nerf, etc.
LOL, this is straight up lies. Nobody is pulling those numbers in PvP.
My friend sure did, multiple times. Its so easy to get 6k+ weapon / spell damage and 35k+ magicka. Easily. The 50% damage nerf is great, Sorc's can pull 150k+ outside of PVP, can easily pull that in PVP unless full heavy, impen, blocking.
What the heck man ? 150k+ DPS ? Yes AoE on 10 mobs if You kill them in 10 seconds , but noone , NOOONE is pulling such number in PvE on single target max is ~60k and in PvP if You have 20k on a player it's high and it means he was wearing some non impen light armor and You timed everything perfectly.
How can You even pull 50k DPS on players that have 20-30k HP ? You would have to kill them in 0,5 second.4 -
Casterial✭✭✭✭✭
✭Emma_Overload wrote: »You don't. You die, they're nearly 2x stronger than most. Some pull 40-50k DPS on players... Thats 40k - 50k Damage Per Second against players. They're very strong, but ZOS nerfed Templars over them, when Sorc's have skills that are identical and need the same nerf, etc.
LOL, this is straight up lies. Nobody is pulling those numbers in PvP.
My friend sure did, multiple times. Its so easy to get 6k+ weapon / spell damage and 35k+ magicka. Easily. The 50% damage nerf is great, Sorc's can pull 150k+ outside of PVP, can easily pull that in PVP unless full heavy, impen, blocking.
What the heck man ? 150k+ DPS ? Yes AoE on 10 mobs if You kill them in 10 seconds , but noone , NOOONE is pulling such number in PvE on single target max is ~60k and in PvP if You have 20k on a player it's high and it means he was wearing some non impen light armor and You timed everything perfectly.
How can You even pull 50k DPS on players that have 20-30k HP ? You would have to kill them in 0,5 second.
Lol, this isn't even a sorc. Its a DK:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ60ET5rl3c
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Araviel2✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »You don't. You die, they're nearly 2x stronger than most. Some pull 40-50k DPS on players... Thats 40k - 50k Damage Per Second against players. They're very strong, but ZOS nerfed Templars over them, when Sorc's have skills that are identical and need the same nerf, etc.
LOL, this is straight up lies. Nobody is pulling those numbers in PvP.
My friend sure did, multiple times. Its so easy to get 6k+ weapon / spell damage and 35k+ magicka. Easily. The 50% damage nerf is great, Sorc's can pull 150k+ outside of PVP, can easily pull that in PVP unless full heavy, impen, blocking.
My last hope is to assume, that you're speaking about possible aoe dps.
Please step inside Cyrodiil, go fight a sorc like Count, or German and watch as they devour zergs.. lmao.
you are talking to Dracane you know,,,,, best pet sorc EU
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you are talking to Dracane you know,,,,, best pet sorc EU
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imho they barely are, but that just makes Dracane even more awesome.
your friend in the video is pulling about 6600 dps by the way. you know - you start calculating dps from the time he pulls the trigger to the moment that the hit actually lands.
but lets not derail this thread any further.Araviel -Professional Zerg surfing mutagen spammer [DC-EU]2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »You don't. You die, they're nearly 2x stronger than most. Some pull 40-50k DPS on players... Thats 40k - 50k Damage Per Second against players. They're very strong, but ZOS nerfed Templars over them, when Sorc's have skills that are identical and need the same nerf, etc.
LOL, this is straight up lies. Nobody is pulling those numbers in PvP.
My friend sure did, multiple times. Its so easy to get 6k+ weapon / spell damage and 35k+ magicka. Easily. The 50% damage nerf is great, Sorc's can pull 150k+ outside of PVP, can easily pull that in PVP unless full heavy, impen, blocking.
What the heck man ? 150k+ DPS ? Yes AoE on 10 mobs if You kill them in 10 seconds , but noone , NOOONE is pulling such number in PvE on single target max is ~60k and in PvP if You have 20k on a player it's high and it means he was wearing some non impen light armor and You timed everything perfectly.
How can You even pull 50k DPS on players that have 20-30k HP ? You would have to kill them in 0,5 second.
Lol, this isn't even a sorc. Its a DK:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ60ET5rl3c
Enjoy!
You do realize this dude will be killed in the same amount of time when he meets skilled player ? He is glass cannon. That's why most of his attacks was from stealth or he attacked enemies that was fighting with someone else. He almost never stood against enemies focused on him in his clips. You also dont know what was resists builds and CP's distribution of enemies he killed. It's easy to create mix of few kills on some not prepared people but it's not proving anything. This movie only proves words I said before " if You have 20k on a player it's high and it means he was wearing some non impen light armor and You timed everything perfectly.". That 20-25k hits was still far away from 50k . He is using flame staff heavy attack one of the easiest things to avoid in PvP which can be dodged reflected or blocked easily especially with Miast PvP alerts add on. He basicly plays as a ganker most of the time and it's not secret gankers pull high numbers in short time but what that have common with topic which is about sorcerers? Gimme real arguments not some randomly selected kills from PvP not even maded by class we're talking about here.Edited by Juhasow on April 24, 2017 11:12AM3 -
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ok yea then, ill take it back. they are viable.
and ill clarify, i just don't like pets personally, i think they are clunky and buggy and hard to control.
but i am in awe of the people that make them work like Dracane.Araviel -Professional Zerg surfing mutagen spammer [DC-EU]1 -
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In duells they're very strong yes some could say even brainless but in open PvP it requires some skill to be viable pet sorc. Well I am excluding ofc IC because of Imperial Physique.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »You don't. You die, they're nearly 2x stronger than most. Some pull 40-50k DPS on players... Thats 40k - 50k Damage Per Second against players. They're very strong, but ZOS nerfed Templars over them, when Sorc's have skills that are identical and need the same nerf, etc.
LOL, this is straight up lies. Nobody is pulling those numbers in PvP.
My friend sure did, multiple times. Its so easy to get 6k+ weapon / spell damage and 35k+ magicka. Easily. The 50% damage nerf is great, Sorc's can pull 150k+ outside of PVP, can easily pull that in PVP unless full heavy, impen, blocking.
What the heck man ? 150k+ DPS ? Yes AoE on 10 mobs if You kill them in 10 seconds , but noone , NOOONE is pulling such number in PvE on single target max is ~60k and in PvP if You have 20k on a player it's high and it means he was wearing some non impen light armor and You timed everything perfectly.
How can You even pull 50k DPS on players that have 20-30k HP ? You would have to kill them in 0,5 second.
Lol, this isn't even a sorc. Its a DK:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ60ET5rl3c
Enjoy!
DKs have a skill that greatly increases Heavy Attack damage. What does that have to do with Sorcs?#CAREBEARMASTERRACE1 -
Azurulia✭✭✭I'm a stamblade cp 330 and literally can't do anything vs a sorc. If I fight a level 600 in Cyrodiil 1v1 I get insta-killed by crystal frags.
I have 2000 recovery, 4K weapon damage, over 12k penetration, 34k max Stam, 42% crit, and 24k health.
My ult is useless, every time I cloak crystal frags takes me out half a second later, fear is ok but I'm always dead before I can get their stamina down. I just don't understand how I can have no counter at all and be out sustained against magicka sorcs.
The funny thing is they're getting buffed next patch by being the only class to not get nerfed.
Is this one of those if you can't beat them join them deals? Will everyone in pvp be running a magicka sorcerer next patch?
Increase resource cost poison is the death to any spammer build.
Someone will have multiple people on them and seem damn near unkillable, however if you watch their debuffs, you'll notice a pair of green and blue poison vile icons pop up.
They then proceed to explode into confetti 2-5 seconds later.
Even as a pure support/healer I run with increase resource poison for my heavy and light resto staff attacks. Because while I may have 0 dps in a fight, if the resource poison triggers, it's generally ripperoni for that person.Edited by Azurulia on April 24, 2017 11:11AMCriminal Scum:
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✭You don't. You die, they're nearly 2x stronger than most. Some pull 40-50k DPS on players... Thats 40k - 50k Damage Per Second against players. They're very strong, but ZOS nerfed Templars over them, when Sorc's have skills that are identical and need the same nerf, etc.
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✭Emma_Overload wrote: »You don't. You die, they're nearly 2x stronger than most. Some pull 40-50k DPS on players... Thats 40k - 50k Damage Per Second against players. They're very strong, but ZOS nerfed Templars over them, when Sorc's have skills that are identical and need the same nerf, etc.
LOL, this is straight up lies. Nobody is pulling those numbers in PvP.
My friend sure did, multiple times. Its so easy to get 6k+ weapon / spell damage and 35k+ magicka. Easily. The 50% damage nerf is great, Sorc's can pull 150k+ outside of PVP, can easily pull that in PVP unless full heavy, impen, blocking.
What the heck man ? 150k+ DPS ? Yes AoE on 10 mobs if You kill them in 10 seconds , but noone , NOOONE is pulling such number in PvE on single target max is ~60k and in PvP if You have 20k on a player it's high and it means he was wearing some non impen light armor and You timed everything perfectly.
How can You even pull 50k DPS on players that have 20-30k HP ? You would have to kill them in 0,5 second.
Lol, this isn't even a sorc. Its a DK:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ60ET5rl3c
Enjoy!
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✭I'm a stamblade cp 330 and literally can't do anything vs a sorc. If I fight a level 600 in Cyrodiil 1v1 I get insta-killed by crystal frags.
I have 2000 recovery, 4K weapon damage, over 12k penetration, 34k max Stam, 42% crit, and 24k health.
My ult is useless, every time I cloak crystal frags takes me out half a second later, fear is ok but I'm always dead before I can get their stamina down. I just don't understand how I can have no counter at all and be out sustained against magicka sorcs.
The funny thing is they're getting buffed next patch by being the only class to not get nerfed.
Is this one of those if you can't beat them join them deals? Will everyone in pvp be running a magicka sorcerer next patch?
Well, you're talking PvP.. and in Cyrodiil. There have been a lot, I mean a lot, of talks and complains about cheating in PvP that toons/players are being taken out by another with just one or two hits. So, you may have been privileged to experience that. Hence, I don't PvP much. Too many guys or gals on steroid there. Ha ha2 -
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✭Play on no champion point campaign or use shieldbreaker. The way things are right now with champion points you won't 1v1 anyone (not just mag sorc) that plays well and is built for it.
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm a stamblade cp 330 and literally can't do anything vs a sorc. If I fight a level 600 in Cyrodiil 1v1 I get insta-killed by crystal frags.
I have 2000 recovery, 4K weapon damage, over 12k penetration, 34k max Stam, 42% crit, and 24k health.
My ult is useless, every time I cloak crystal frags takes me out half a second later, fear is ok but I'm always dead before I can get their stamina down. I just don't understand how I can have no counter at all and be out sustained against magicka sorcs.
The funny thing is they're getting buffed next patch by being the only class to not get nerfed.
Is this one of those if you can't beat them join them deals? Will everyone in pvp be running a magicka sorcerer next patch?
Not getting direct class nerf doesnt mean You get buffed. There are non class related things that will hit sorcs the most.
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✭✭I'm a stamblade cp 330 and literally can't do anything vs a sorc. If I fight a level 600 in Cyrodiil 1v1 I get insta-killed by crystal frags.
I have 2000 recovery, 4K weapon damage, over 12k penetration, 34k max Stam, 42% crit, and 24k health.
My ult is useless, every time I cloak crystal frags takes me out half a second later, fear is ok but I'm always dead before I can get their stamina down. I just don't understand how I can have no counter at all and be out sustained against magicka sorcs.
The funny thing is they're getting buffed next patch by being the only class to not get nerfed.
Is this one of those if you can't beat them join them deals? Will everyone in pvp be running a magicka sorcerer next patch?
Dizzling Swing with Stampede, belive me it wors great.
I took very pro sorcerer with level 16 toon!
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✭their strengths are their mobility and weakness are their stamina recovery . when i play a mag sorc- what messes me up is against a player who knows to hamper my movement- with talons, chains, crippling grasp, etc- theres lots of CC's there- that will then force me to break- and without stamina to break I'm vulnerable. of course i can spam shields on and on- and if you're against a build like that its tough- you need to have enough burst to make them go to their back bar. the thing about mag sorcs is that they have to keep their shields up and to do that they have to go to their back bar- so force them to be defensive as much as possible keep light attacking as much as possible, put the pressure on. when you see they have frags up- you gotta be ready to defend and buff up. its a tough matchup against a good mag sorc- theyre a class that requires fast reflexes and skills- but once mastered can be kinda OP. for me as a mag sorc- worst matchups are magplars and mag dk's. mag night blades and stam night blades- aren't a good matchup for the nub's, i feel ike I'm at an inherent advantage if they dont get a gank.
. if I'm a nb- i put as much magicka cost stuff on as possible, cloak and strike, cloak and strike. if you fight toe to toe- its going to be tough.Edited by MakoFore on April 24, 2017 11:51AM1 -
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✭as many others have said... to beat an mSorc you really need to be right in their face.... speaking from experience with mSorc in Cyro ... cloaking is pretty much useless against one ... when im facing any nightblade i always hit them with inevitable det and curse and if they cloak i just watch for the explosion and cast again before they can cloak again ... NB's do have one of the strongest CC's though ( fear )Breton Nightblade ~ Fang of the Wolf ~ (50) | Altmer Dragonknight ~ Ðårk Ŵølf ~ (50) | Altmer Necro ~ Ðeåth Ŵølf ~ (50)
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Shadow_Viper_vX✭✭✭✭✭I'm a stamblade cp 330 and literally can't do anything vs a sorc. If I fight a level 600 in Cyrodiil 1v1 I get insta-killed by crystal frags.
I have 2000 recovery, 4K weapon damage, over 12k penetration, 34k max Stam, 42% crit, and 24k health.
My ult is useless, every time I cloak crystal frags takes me out half a second later, fear is ok but I'm always dead before I can get their stamina down. I just don't understand how I can have no counter at all and be out sustained against magicka sorcs.
The funny thing is they're getting buffed next patch by being the only class to not get nerfed.
Is this one of those if you can't beat them join them deals? Will everyone in pvp be running a magicka sorcerer next patch?
Not getting direct class nerf doesnt mean You get buffed. There are non class related things that will hit sorcs the most.
Care to share?
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✭More sorc's booties got tickled here than in cyrodiil.Edited by Casterial on April 27, 2017 4:00AMDaggerfall Covenant:Casterial Stamplar || Casterial DK || Availed NB || Castyrial Sorc || Spooky Casterial Necro
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