Honestly, should have just punished damage when wearing heavy.
Reduce weapon and spell damage by 20% while wearing 5 heavy. It'd change the PvP meta.
This coming from someone who's favourite Pve build is a saptank that runs 2.5k spell damage.
This nerf is well deserved anyone who thinks you should be a tank plus dps/healer is the type of player who likes to be cancer in PVP....you sir are a fool this nerf needed to happen moths ago. Please go play little big planet players like you don't add value to the game.
Anti_Virus wrote: »no it is very much needed! I am sick and tired of no skilled gamers hopping into heavy amor and then feel super strong cause they can sustain so much.
However, it's the wrong fix they get sustain through heavy attack passive that gives you 25% more resources back. this passive needs to go and heavy will be perfectly fine
Perfect example of ignorance here^^.
He's also stating facts. PvP has become filled with casuals who as NRG says, hop into heavy armour and can sustain forever while being impossible to kill when they are in a zerg because they're in heavy armour.
Constitution should be gutted completely. If anything the only way to sustain in heavy is through heavy attacks imo. I'm so looking forward to everyone going back to light/medium armour and some actual skill returning to cyrodiil even though proc sets will return to the meta, it's much better than the current meta.
I'd love to see you try to tank a vet trial relying on heavy attacks for your sustain.
Anti_Virus wrote: »Heavy armor is not OP its simply a L2P issue.
You have plenty of unblockable attacks, lots of sources of Penetration from gear and CP stars. You all just want to return to the good ol days were everyone wore Light armor with a few medium armor guys and absolutely no heavy at all.
Anti_Virus wrote: »no it is very much needed! I am sick and tired of no skilled gamers hopping into heavy amor and then feel super strong cause they can sustain so much.
However, it's the wrong fix they get sustain through heavy attack passive that gives you 25% more resources back. this passive needs to go and heavy will be perfectly fine
Perfect example of ignorance here^^.
He's also stating facts. PvP has become filled with casuals who as NRG says, hop into heavy armour and can sustain forever while being impossible to kill when they are in a zerg because they're in heavy armour.
Constitution should be gutted completely. If anything the only way to sustain in heavy is through heavy attacks imo. I'm so looking forward to everyone going back to light/medium armour and some actual skill returning to cyrodiil even though proc sets will return to the meta, it's much better than the current meta.
I'd love to see you try to tank a vet trial relying on heavy attacks for your sustain.
You do realise that people were tanking vet trials when constitution was flat out useless right?
You are literally complaining about having to use a sustain set to manage ur resources. Do you know how stupid it sounds? Thats the whole point of the changes. For you to actually have to use ur brain to sustain.
And i like the fact how u bash people for not thinking about PVE and yet you are doing the exact same thing, ignore how OP heavy is in PVP, ignore the fact that all armors got nerfed and make a thread asking specifically for heavy nerfs to be reverted.
Anti_Virus wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »no it is very much needed! I am sick and tired of no skilled gamers hopping into heavy amor and then feel super strong cause they can sustain so much.
However, it's the wrong fix they get sustain through heavy attack passive that gives you 25% more resources back. this passive needs to go and heavy will be perfectly fine
Perfect example of ignorance here^^.
He's also stating facts. PvP has become filled with casuals who as NRG says, hop into heavy armour and can sustain forever while being impossible to kill when they are in a zerg because they're in heavy armour.
Constitution should be gutted completely. If anything the only way to sustain in heavy is through heavy attacks imo. I'm so looking forward to everyone going back to light/medium armour and some actual skill returning to cyrodiil even though proc sets will return to the meta, it's much better than the current meta.
These are not "facts" at all majority of players in PVP wear Light Armor, followed by medium then heavy according to Zos Rich Lamberts data in a thread called "Hard Data" he came in and debunked a rediculous claim that heavy is over used and its not. Stop with the lunacy.
alephthiago wrote: »I would like to see 80% nerf to constitution and wrath halved again to be honest.
No, this is not a joke.
And this is why pvpers shouldn't have any say in balance changes. You can't think clearly or reasonably when you spend all day in cyrodiil.
At this point it's either buff heavy armor and ruin pvp for another year or keep it nerfed and make PvErs l2p and adapt to some changes instead of stacking damage sets as a tank.
Look up one of woeler's videos about how to tank in homestead, he clearly states that at this point in the game a tank could do just fine with medium. I don't know if that guy is considered good or not, but he's got a point: tanking is easy mode as it is on live to the point that tanks stack damage sets. I'm sure you lot can learn to adapt.
Constitution, after the 42% nerf, is returning no more resources than a typical 2-4 pc set recovery bonus. This is far less than the recovery boost light or medium give even with low base recovery, and requires taking damage consistently to even function.
This change is pigeonholing tanks into using black rose just to maintain similar recovery to what constitution currently provides.
All I'm seeing throughout the replies here are people complaining that someone in pvp can survive their one shot gank build. This is the root of all problems in this game, overly vocal pvpers -_-
Anti_Virus wrote: »All I'm seeing throughout the replies here are people complaining that someone in pvp can survive their one shot gank build. This is the root of all problems in this game, overly vocal pvpers -_-
Thats pretty much it, if you make a tankable dps build they whine, if you go full on block build tank they whine.
They just hate heavy armor. You can't win
All I'm seeing throughout the replies here are people complaining that someone in pvp can survive their one shot gank build. This is the root of all problems in this game, overly vocal pvpers -_-
Anti_Virus wrote: »All I'm seeing throughout the replies here are people complaining that someone in pvp can survive their one shot gank build. This is the root of all problems in this game, overly vocal pvpers -_-
Thats pretty much it, if you make a tankable dps build they whine, if you go full on block build tank they whine.
They just hate heavy armor. You can't win
No they hate heavy armor cause it offers way too much. And providing wrong numbers to dispute that wont change anything. Someone would think that after all the bs u were writing some time ago providing ridiculously false and illogical numbers to prove how heavy armor isnt that good that you would think twice before opening this conversation again. But here you are again. Telling everyone to L2P and defending heavy armor with what else, false numbers again.
This whole thread started with false numbers. Go back and read again.Anti_Virus wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »All I'm seeing throughout the replies here are people complaining that someone in pvp can survive their one shot gank build. This is the root of all problems in this game, overly vocal pvpers -_-
Thats pretty much it, if you make a tankable dps build they whine, if you go full on block build tank they whine.
They just hate heavy armor. You can't win
No they hate heavy armor cause it offers way too much. And providing wrong numbers to dispute that wont change anything. Someone would think that after all the bs u were writing some time ago providing ridiculously false and illogical numbers to prove how heavy armor isnt that good that you would think twice before opening this conversation again. But here you are again. Telling everyone to L2P and defending heavy armor with what else, false numbers again.
Bruh heavy armor is fine. Even with this nerf you will still QQ anyways. L2P.
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Please elaborate on my "False Numbers"
alephthiago wrote: »I would like to see 80% nerf to constitution and wrath halved again to be honest.
No, this is not a joke.
And this is why pvpers shouldn't have any say in balance changes. You can't think clearly or reasonably when you spend all day in cyrodiil.
Anti_Virus wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »no it is very much needed! I am sick and tired of no skilled gamers hopping into heavy amor and then feel super strong cause they can sustain so much.
However, it's the wrong fix they get sustain through heavy attack passive that gives you 25% more resources back. this passive needs to go and heavy will be perfectly fine
Perfect example of ignorance here^^.
He's also stating facts. PvP has become filled with casuals who as NRG says, hop into heavy armour and can sustain forever while being impossible to kill when they are in a zerg because they're in heavy armour.
Constitution should be gutted completely. If anything the only way to sustain in heavy is through heavy attacks imo. I'm so looking forward to everyone going back to light/medium armour and some actual skill returning to cyrodiil even though proc sets will return to the meta, it's much better than the current meta.
These are not "facts" at all majority of players in PVP wear Light Armor, followed by medium then heavy according to Zos Rich Lamberts data in a thread called "Hard Data" he came in and debunked a rediculous claim that heavy is over used and its not. Stop with the lunacy.