Will Morrowind be a flop?

Faulgor · April 2017

Not for the reasons you think.

dday3six · April 2017

Morrowind was already mildly controversial with a new class and changing the monetizing of ESO+. So while I think the expansion it's self will be successful. The patch has the biggest potential to blow up in ZOS' face. Personally I think they should've either done the patch before or after Morrowind, but not at the same time.

ObsidianMichi · April 2017

Honestly, with all these threads, it's starting to feel like subsets of this community want it to fail. With all hysteria and the whole "the ESO is DEAD! WE'RE ALL DEAD!" malarkey afflicting these boards, it's pretty easy to make the assumption. So, I gotta ask, @OP, do you? Be honest. Would it make you happy to see it flop? Would you feel justified if it did? Will all the Doomsayers be happy if their predictions come true and ESO finally kicks the bucket?

No more new, regular content releases as the instances grow deader and deader, no more story content, no more new zones, a true P2W cash shop, with all new, focus content cosmetic only items stuffed into the store until the game finally shutters its doors.

Personally? I wouldn't be happy. This patch isn't going to be the only patch and it certainly won't be the last one, the game has gone through a lot of changes since launch. Some have been for the better, and some have been for the worse. Every single time, people have thrown their hands up and decried the end times had come among us. We're still here.

ZOS has, for the most part, kept their promises. There will be other game changes and other rollbacks, people will find new ways to play in the meantime because change happens in every MMO.

I don't think Morrowind will flop, and I'd be sad if it did. I like that ZoS has kept their promise when it comes to content updates, and I want them to continue making money so they can continue on that path for the future. Morrowind may not be the golden age cometh again, and that's okay with me. Then again, I have a lot less to lose than others when it comes to nostalgia. I think its worth remembering that there were similar predictions with the other DLC, but they didn't flop either. The vast majority of the ESO playerbase aren't on these boards, the vast majority of the changes only effect the endgame players and the ones who never reach a point to see that content won't notice. Morrowind may inspire a lot of new signons from those on the fence, may bring in more players, and may be a total success off the Morrowind name alone.

We've got over a month until the expansion launches. Hysterics and negativity are more likely to breed a flop as not, but... you know, who cares? Controversy often achieves its own kind of hype and breeds success. One way or another, you're talking about it. Buzz achieved.

SydneyGrey · April 2017

Morrowind sounds awesome to me. I'm pretty sure it won't be a flop.
People are upset at the proposed patch changes to our characters, not at Morrowind itself.

jlboozer · April 2017

Maybe a flip, probably not a flop...but the possibilities are endless!

johnnified · April 2017

Nope, Morrowind won't be a flop.

I say this with full faith in ZOS, and because every MMO I have played has the same people crying every time a new content is about to come out... and it didn't.

Doomsday MMO Cults.

Balamoor · April 2017

ObsidianMichi wrote: »

Honestly, with all these threads, it's starting to feel like subsets of this community want it to fail.
.

Of course they want it to fail, the 15 or so people who are making thread after thread about this are the very same people who have been constantly complaining about something since launch.

One idiot actually said yes the game will make a lot of money will probably get great reviews and even awards but it would still be a flop because of paid for reviews.

Honestly how mentally challenged is that? All of this hair pulling is mock outrage. The expansion and the game will be just fine.

notimetocare · April 2017

Despite the naysayers, no it won't

phairdon · April 2017

WhitC1935 wrote: »

I am confused and have a dumb question having not followed too much of the details for Morrowind. Is it a DLC addition on ESO or a stand alone game? From what little I have read it seems to be stand alone. If it is stand alone, then I definitely will not participate. Not sure what I will do if it is actually a DLC addition to the main game.

You can buy a physical copy, which comes with the base game or you can buy a digital upgrade. So no, its not a stand alone game.

FlyingSwan · April 2017

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

praglaud wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

People aren't really upset with the expansion - they are more upset with the balancing patch that comes with it. They are mutually exclusive.

They are in some ways tied however. The balancing that is coming with it, can be viewed as a series of wide scale nerfs to extant classes but which leave the Warden above the parapet. In that way, these nerfs to existing classes can be seen as an incentive to buy Morrowind to obtain a class seemingly more powerful than the existing classes. Therefore, the 'balancing' may have been better received if the timing were not so inauspicious, and that is tied to the release of Morrowind.

There is no reason to believe that Wardens are OP compared to other classes. That is like saying I earn more than you when I get a raise even though I have no idea what you salary was in the first place.

Classes have skills nerfed all the time. The constant rebalancing is the one thing I despise about ESO.

That's why I say, 'can be viewed'. There's a perception out there that this is the case and the timing has helped fuel this perception, due to of course Warden having resource return abilities. Ergo, perception amongst some is it's a P2W class, and this perception is understandable given the timing.

However, I do agree that this is only a perception at this point and we need to see how this works in practice. And yes, it would be nice if ZOS would just leave the classes alone.

I personally think Morrowind will sell well, but will be a bit of a damp squib in terms of actual content, like the previous DLC. I certainly don't think we're talking SotH levels of blandness here, but I struggle to think this will be as strong as Orsinium. ZOS are trading on the goodwill for the Morrowind name. It's not going to feel like a genuine return to Morrowind IMO.

In terms of supportability, ZOS have shown they are very bad at debugging their releases in a timely way. For them to land a range of sweeping classes changes at the same time as a large expac does not bode well for our customer experience.

All that said, I suppose I could just play test it, rather than lay here speculating.

waterfairy · April 2017

I don't know about everyone else but I'm definitely not buying Morrowind because of what they're doing with the next patch. How long will it take for them to realize that pvp and pve must be separated and handled differently?
They're losing fans from both side of the fence and a shiny new expansion won't stop people from leaving. I'll most likely put the game away in june...whether or not I pick it up again is up to zos learning from this mistake.

STEVIL · April 2017

Morrow will be a success imo.

SydneyGrey · April 2017

Vigarr wrote: »

... How long will it take for them to realize that pvp and pve must be separated and handled differently?

They probably realize it, but don't know how to do it. I don't know how it would be possible for them to balance them differently, when many people play both PvP and PvE on the same character. They'd have to program it so that there are changes to the character's stats whenever you entered Cyrodiil, I suppose. I'm not a programmer, though, so don't know how it could be done.

kyle.wilson · April 2017

I don't think that nostalgia vision will be enough to carry the dlc.
The changes have angered a large core of the game base. Yet, I believe that most of the money they are now getting is for selling houses for $100. So much of their free cash flow is coming from playing house, instead of delivering quality game content.

JinMori · April 2017

My personal feelings on this are.

The content itself is good, but the patch has the potential to ruin everything.
I dislike the patch notes thorougly. The nerfs to CP should have ben balanced out with buffs to the player, but they instead decide to utterly destroy resource management, damage, and made some pretty queationable changes to some class abilities. And Also madre heavy attack builds the best choice for DPS, which are complete *** in terms of gameplay (my opinion)

Buffler · April 2017

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

1. Yes, it is a cash grab.
2. You sub for crafting bags. If that isn't why you sub, you shouldn't be subbing.
3. PTS notes are fine. I doubt the changes now will have as much impact as adding CP had. For some reason people freak out over "nerfs" when nerfs and buffs are the same thing so long as you keep overall power equal. Crappy parts of update still have plenty of time to be rebalanced.
4. I don't like homogenization of classes. Unfortunately, there are quite a few people who want their favorite class to be the best at things other classes were designed for.

All the drama really doesn't matter to me. I will play the story at some point because it is more TES content..

Nerfs are the same as buffs??
Do you work for ZOS?

max_only · April 2017

I don't get all this black and white catastrophic thinking.

Morrowind will be great! I can't wait! I've always played a hunter in other mmos and I'm excited for the warden! I think it will be a great success and inject a lot more life into ESO!

That feeling doesn't negate that nightblades are still being treated like lepers. Pve nightblades are getting hit so hard with these changes. Sure the Templar voices are louder. Have you seen siphoning attacks? Why does it need a change? We don't need more health restore, we have so many skills that do that already. Taking out ganking -- you mean the literal only thing people use nightblades for? Ask a nightblade how many times in one session they can get successful kills. No one falls for the same hiding spot twice. As for PVE, when are people preferring nightblades for content? We can't get dps numbers throughout a fight. All three classes are "better" healers. We are loathed as tanks.

I can be excited for a new place to explore and a new story to experience AND be disappointed in the treatment of nightblades.

Bombashaman · April 2017

No.

Shardaxx · April 2017

It will sell a lot but where we go after that depends on how all the changes play out.

jaye63 · April 2017

Yes- Because of what they did to the rest of the game
No- Because stupid people.

Daemons_Bane · April 2017

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

2. You sub for crafting bags. If that isn't why you sub, you shouldn't be subbing.

I sub to support them

nimander99 · April 2017

No, it will be total fan service, anyone who played Morrowind back in the day is going to love this.

jaye63 · April 2017

nimander99 wrote: »

No, it will be total fan service, anyone who played Morrowind back in the day is going to love this.

Yeah... in the same way Tamriel is a service to those who like all of the ES games... >.<

Sneaky-Snurr · April 2017

Nope.

SodanTok · April 2017

Flop? Lol. Some resident forum goers cant see through the tears. This will be the exact opposite of flop. Both in terms of profit and in playerbase grow. Some weed needed to be at best trimmed at worst dug out, but the sacrifice was necessary.

Troneon · April 2017

Mush55 · April 2017

Will it flop

Who cares...........

Will I be Playing

No= Who cares..................

Jollygoodusername · April 2017

Path of Exile 3.0 coming soon, going to support GGG again! ESO has potential to be much greater than it's current state, though looking back over the last year I've only seen changes for the worse. I really really loved Morrowind, it was my first Elder Scrolls adventure and also got me into modding as a creator. After reading that all of my stored up crowns from subscriptions( which is only because the DLC was terrible thus far AND all of the crown store items are utter garbage ) would be useless for Morrowind 'chapter', I'm not buying into it.

No one important within Zenimax will be reading this but it's good to share some reasons why people like me, who invest in companies, won't be making contributions. There will always be boot lickers for any failed/failing game and those games, despite their lack of a player base, will continue to hang around long after expiration because they literally have laid down the money to get where they are and any further contributions are insane profits. Buying a 10$ digital item from any online source ( crown store for example ) provides them with infinite potential for profit. ...meh who cares though. I've already invested enough, still haven't seen a return from Zeni

qsnoopyjr · April 2017

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

Yes,

It will make a lot of money, because the name/brand sells itself.
Typical with all MMORPGs,
They don't make expansions good enough, and purposely leave stuff out, for future things to sell
Morrowind will be a flop because it doesnt have spell crafting, no acrobatics, no levitation, the dunmer doesnt look right (ever since Oblivion, they have been making dark elves differently), there will be no eerie feeling like you experience in the original Morrowind, there is no war with the houses (you join all of them, even if there is a war, it doesnt feel like a war, just like how it is right now with DC, EP, AD... there isnt anything going on, even though developers think something is going on).

So it will make money, sure, its a big company, they launch anything it makes money.
Will this expansion be anything spectator?
Nope, just the same as a World of Warcraft expansion.
Typical, new zones, new monster, new skills.
There wont be any Morrowind feeling to it.

Just look at Thieves Guild as an example.
Just another average DLC/expansion. 6 out 10 rating... ESO pays critics... it will be 8.8 out of 10. Just like the other companies that pay critics.

Just so you know ratings.
6/10 is average for high school passing
7/10 is average for undergrad
8/10 is average for grad
9/10 is average for doctoral
10/10 that's innovative.

A review for a game you haven't played is complete nonsense. And considering ESO has a score of 71 on metacritic from launch, your are just spouting ideological propaganda.

Thieves Guild was quite comparable to TG in single player games. And the zone was definitely not typical. It was an expansive city in 3 dimensions with all the catwalks.

I would guess that Morrowind won't be spectacular because DLC is almost never spectacular. It is just more content for a game you already know. Sometimes you hit a home run with the story like Lair of the Shadowbroker. It was also great fun to have TES introduce its first companion with depth in Dawnguard. Sometimes you can fix a broken game as with Diablo 3. Strategy games like Civ 5 can make an excellent game an all-time great game. But almost always, the big impact is from initially playing the game and DLC is just new stories and a few new mechanics. There won't be a fundamental change in Morrowind. CP already exists. One Tamriel was already released. Morrowind is just more of the same, but hopefully with a great narrative.

After you seen content the developer puts out... Its the same kind of quality again and again.
You don't have to play the actual new content to know what... The developer is going to put in an expansion.

You want to mention games?
Look at WWE11, WWE12, WWE 13, WWE14, WWE.... All them games a JOKE. You dont even need to play ANY of the new ones. WWE been slacking since 2007. Which reinforces my point. Its predictable to tell what the quality of new content is going to be.

ESO has already forced exlcusions on itself, which pretty much makes it even more predictable how the new content is going to be. You cannot be innovative with restrictions on yourself. 1. cannot fly (levitate) 2. cannot make multiple npcs AND pcs attack each other (fury) 2. cannot make spells (spellcrafting) 3. cannot jump super high (acrobatics) 4. cannot run the speed of lightning (boots of blinding speed/ athletics) 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10....

Restriction after restriction after restriction
Great Countries are those that are free of restrictions
Great Games are those that are free of restrictions

ESO??? Full of restrictions... Cannot kill that NPC, too important. Cannot get launched into enemy AvA keep.
Ladders into keeps??? RESTRITCTED 100% RESTRICTION labeled.

Restriction Restriction Restriction.

Can it be done??? YES! But we restrict that. Thats ESO policy, to restrict your fun.

Bouldercleave · April 2017

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

Yes,

It will make a lot of money, because the name/brand sells itself.
Typical with all MMORPGs,
They don't make expansions good enough, and purposely leave stuff out, for future things to sell
Morrowind will be a flop because it doesnt have spell crafting, no acrobatics, no levitation, the dunmer doesnt look right (ever since Oblivion, they have been making dark elves differently), there will be no eerie feeling like you experience in the original Morrowind, there is no war with the houses (you join all of them, even if there is a war, it doesnt feel like a war, just like how it is right now with DC, EP, AD... there isnt anything going on, even though developers think something is going on).

So it will make money, sure, its a big company, they launch anything it makes money.
Will this expansion be anything spectator?
Nope, just the same as a World of Warcraft expansion.
Typical, new zones, new monster, new skills.
There wont be any Morrowind feeling to it.

Just look at Thieves Guild as an example.
Just another average DLC/expansion. 6 out 10 rating... ESO pays critics... it will be 8.8 out of 10. Just like the other companies that pay critics.

Just so you know ratings.
6/10 is average for high school passing
7/10 is average for undergrad
8/10 is average for grad
9/10 is average for doctoral
10/10 that's innovative.

A review for a game you haven't played is complete nonsense. And considering ESO has a score of 71 on metacritic from launch, your are just spouting ideological propaganda.

Thieves Guild was quite comparable to TG in single player games. And the zone was definitely not typical. It was an expansive city in 3 dimensions with all the catwalks.

I would guess that Morrowind won't be spectacular because DLC is almost never spectacular. It is just more content for a game you already know. Sometimes you hit a home run with the story like Lair of the Shadowbroker. It was also great fun to have TES introduce its first companion with depth in Dawnguard. Sometimes you can fix a broken game as with Diablo 3. Strategy games like Civ 5 can make an excellent game an all-time great game. But almost always, the big impact is from initially playing the game and DLC is just new stories and a few new mechanics. There won't be a fundamental change in Morrowind. CP already exists. One Tamriel was already released. Morrowind is just more of the same, but hopefully with a great narrative.

After you seen content the developer puts out... Its the same kind of quality again and again.
You don't have to play the actual new content to know what... The developer is going to put in an expansion.

You want to mention games?
Look at WWE11, WWE12, WWE 13, WWE14, WWE.... All them games a JOKE. You dont even need to play ANY of the new ones. WWE been slacking since 2007. Which reinforces my point. Its predictable to tell what the quality of new content is going to be.

ESO has already forced exlcusions on itself, which pretty much makes it even more predictable how the new content is going to be. You cannot be innovative with restrictions on yourself. 1. cannot fly (levitate) 2. cannot make multiple npcs AND pcs attack each other (fury) 2. cannot make spells (spellcrafting) 3. cannot jump super high (acrobatics) 4. cannot run the speed of lightning (boots of blinding speed/ athletics) 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10....

Restriction after restriction after restriction
Great Countries are those that are free of restrictions
Great Games are those that are free of restrictions

ESO??? Full of restrictions... Cannot kill that NPC, too important. Cannot get launched into enemy AvA keep.
Ladders into keeps??? RESTRITCTED 100% RESTRICTION labeled.

Restriction Restriction Restriction.

Can it be done??? YES! But we restrict that. Thats ESO policy, to restrict your fun.

You seem bitter. Do you need a hug?